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Homer Wilson Smith

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Apr 27, 2001, 3:56:00 PM4/27/01
to Star's Edge International, CLEAR-L, wag...@bpmlegal.com, Patrick Keel

Dear Penny,

Thank you for the DMCA notice. In order for us to comply with these
requests you must follow certain protocols with us.

First, all such notices *MUST* be sent to both ho...@lightlink.com,
and wag...@bpmlegal.com who is our counsel for such matters.

Second at the bottom of your request you must specify the exact
message-ids of the postings you wish removed listed one after the other
*EXACTLY* like so:

<12...@domain.com>
<2lkj...@earthlnk.com>

You may list as many as you please, they must end and begin with <..>
and they must have no extraneous data on the same line. These are
forwarded to a bot as soon as I receive them for immediate removal from
the news server.

Third, we will happily remove the postings from our servers but will
not issue cancels for them on other servers around the planet. We trust
you are in good faith contacting all usenet servers on the planet to have
them removed and are not picking on us or a small group of ISP's
selectively.

Fourth, when done, all such requests will be acknowledged to both the
sending party, our counsel and the newsgroups in question.

I look forward to a properly formatted removal request.

Homer


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Homer Wilson Smith Clean Air, Clear Water, Art Matrix - Lightlink
(607) 277-0959 A Green Earth and Peace. Internet Access, Ithaca NY
ho...@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Star's Edge International wrote:

> Homer Wilson Smith
> Lightlink.com
> Copyright official and host
>
> Re: Infringement of Harry Palmer's copyrights
>
> Dear Mr. Smith:
>
> On behalf of my client, Harry Palmer, I am writing to notify you about a
> serious matter of copyright infringement that is occurring on Usenet News
> Groups carried by your lightlink server. This notice is made in accordance
> with §512(c)(3) of the Copyright Act.
>
> Mr. Palmer has authored original materials known as "The Avatar Course
> Section II: The Exercises" and "The Avatar Course Section III: The
> Procedures (collectively, "the Works"). The Works are copyrightable subject
> matter under the laws of the United States. Mr. Palmer has registered the
> copyrights in the Works under registration nos. TX-2-232-626 and
> TX-2-232-627.
>
> As the owner of the copyrights in the Works, Mr. Palmer enjoys the
> exclusive right to reproduce, distribute, and display the Works, and to
> authorize others to do so.
>
> It has come to our attention that a poster identified as "roger gonnet" has
> posted unauthorized copies of the Works to the news groups
> alt.clearing.avatar and alt.religion.scientology on April 27, 2001. The
> first was entitled "I found these supposedly "avatar's" techniques - 1" and
> the second was entitled "Second part, avatar's suposed techniques." These
> postings infringe Mr. Palmer's exclusive rights in the Works under the
> Copyright Act.
>
> We request that you cooperate with Mr. Palmer in putting an end to the
> infringement that is occurring in the aforementioned news groups you are
> hosting by immediately removing access to the postings that infringe the
> Works.
>
> In accordance with 17 U.S.C. § 512(c)(3), I state that I have a good faith
> belief that the use of the Works in the manner complained of in this letter
> is not authorized by the copyright owner, his agent, or the law. I further
> state that the information in this letter is accurate and, under penalty of
> perjury, that I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive
> right that is allegedly infringed.
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your courtesy and cooperation. I look
> forward to your reply.
>
> Sincerely,
> //s//
> Penny Phillips
> Attorney-at-Law
> Star's Edge International
> 237 North Westmonte Drive
> Altamonte Springs, Florida 32779
> FAX 407-788-1052
> Voice 407-788-3090
> email: ava...@avatarhq.com
>

Homer Wilson Smith

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Apr 28, 2001, 2:14:06 PM4/28/01
to Star's Edge International, CLEAR-L, patric...@bakerbotts.com, wag...@bpmlegal.com

Done.

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Homer Wilson Smith Clean Air, Clear Water, Art Matrix - Lightlink
(607) 277-0959 A Green Earth and Peace. Internet Access, Ithaca NY
ho...@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Star's Edge International wrote:

> Thank you for that explanation. Here are the message-ids
>
> <9cbcld$pjt$3...@news2.isdnet.net>
> <tefG6.736$SZ5....@www.newsranger.com>
> <3AEA31AB...@aol.com>
> <20010428100934...@ng-fy1.aol.com>
> <9cbcl9$pjt$2...@news2.isdnet.net>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homer Wilson Smith [mailto:ho...@lightlink.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:51 PM
> To: avatar
> Cc: wag...@bpmlegal.com; patric...@bakerbotts.com
> Subject: Re: Notice of Copyright Infringement
>
>
>
> Each news posting has headers of the following form, plus alot
> others.
>
> From:
> Subject:
> Date:
> Message-ID: <yak...@domain.com>
>
> The message-id uniquely identifies the article across
> all newsgroups at once across the whole planet. You need
> to find the news article on usenet news, and cut and paste only
> the <yak...@domain.com> part of the message-id into your letters.
> When I receive them, I send the letter to our bot which finds these
> lines and automatically deletes the postings.
>
> You probably do NOT want to copy the message-ids by hand
> as they can be very long and very complex and one error will
> nullify the result, but if you copy the headers from the news
> posting in question to your e-mail and delete everything but the
> message-id, then we can delete things quickly.
>
> If you need more help with this, I can send examples.


>
> Homer
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Homer Wilson Smith Clean Air, Clear Water, Art Matrix - Lightlink
> (607) 277-0959 A Green Earth and Peace. Internet Access, Ithaca NY
> ho...@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com
>

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, avatar wrote:
>
> > Dear Homer,
> >
> > Thank you for your prompt response. I will comply with the procedure
> > you require to remove these infringing messages from your news server,
> > however, I could not ascertain from your message where to find the
> > "message-ids" in the postings. Your message used e-mail addresses as an
> > example but this would not seem to narrowly identify the infringing
> > messages by Mr. Gonnet. Does the term "message-ids" refer to the
> > information in the "From:" line or the "Subject:" line or something else
> > entirely?
> >
> > As soon as I receive this clarification, I will forward a properly
> > formatted removal request.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your explanation.
> >
> > Penny Phillips
> > Attorney-at-Law

> > >> with ß512(c)(3) of the Copyright Act.

> > >> In accordance with 17 U.S.C. ß 512(c)(3), I state that I have a

Steve Zadarnowski

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Apr 29, 2001, 9:29:04 AM4/29/01
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Homer Wilson Smith <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote:

> Dear Penny,
>
> Thank you for the DMCA notice. In order for us to comply with these
>requests you must follow certain protocols with us.

I can only assume that since Roger did not post these on
the lightlink server that the only reason that Homer/Lightlink
is getting flak from lawyers is because the Cof$ is behind
our friend "penny" sending this letter.

In all the wide world, why would Penny be making this
request of Homer considering Roger posted in France?

The only other assumption I can make in this is that
Palmer is one of Freezoners and readers of a.c.a.

I wonder which it is? I favor the Cof$ scenario.

S
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corrupt, sinister and dangerous." - Justice LATEY, London 1984
"Scientology as practised is in reality the antithesis of a religion"
- Supreme Court Justice Crockett - Australia 1980
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Ralph Hilton

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Apr 29, 2001, 1:41:17 PM4/29/01
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fan...@iinet.com.au (Steve Zadarnowski) wrote on Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:29:04
GMT in msg <3aec164d...@news.m.iinet.net.au>, :

>Homer Wilson Smith <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Penny,
>>
>> Thank you for the DMCA notice. In order for us to comply with these
>>requests you must follow certain protocols with us.
>
>I can only assume that since Roger did not post these on
>the lightlink server that the only reason that Homer/Lightlink
>is getting flak from lawyers is because the Cof$ is behind
>our friend "penny" sending this letter.
>
>In all the wide world, why would Penny be making this
>request of Homer considering Roger posted in France?
>
>The only other assumption I can make in this is that
>Palmer is one of Freezoners and readers of a.c.a.
>
>I wonder which it is? I favor the Cof$ scenario.

No. Palmer is running his own operation. I have my opinions about him.

He could not be classed as FZ.


--
Ralph Hilton
http://www.fzint.org/rhilton
Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org
C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/

Homer Wilson Smith

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Apr 29, 2001, 7:31:44 PM4/29/01
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Ralph Hilton (ra...@hilton.org) wrote:
>No. Palmer is running his own operation. I have my opinions about him.
>He could not be classed as FZ.

Why not?

Homer

Dave Bird

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Apr 29, 2001, 8:19:25 PM4/29/01
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Exactly -- as far as I am concerned the FreeZone is all Scientology
derived groups outside the original church. Some of them are doing
Scientology, some of them are quite widely widely different.


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Ralph Hilton

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Apr 30, 2001, 5:40:08 AM4/30/01
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Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:19:25 +0100
in msg <jtgKuxDN...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, :

>In article<3aec9...@news2.lightlink.com>, Homer Wilson Smith writes:
>>Ralph Hilton (ra...@hilton.org) wrote:
>>>
>>>No. Palmer is running his own operation. I have my opinions about him.
>>>He could not be classed as FZ.
>>
>> Why not?
>> Homer
>
> Exactly -- as far as I am concerned the FreeZone is all Scientology
> derived groups outside the original church. Some of them are doing
> Scientology, some of them are quite widely widely different.

Bill Robertson first used the term to refer to groups and individuals using
Scientology outside the CofS. If people are doing something else then its
preferable that, to avoid confusion, they use another group name.

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