Concerning Laura Terepin
Flood Control
The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
"Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
of stolen identity.
Bob "Da Sloth" Bingham
Are you saying that, when the CoS took over CAN, one of them changed her name
to be the same as one of the old CAN people!?
--
Bob "Da Sloth" Bingham <http://www.sky.net/~sloth>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"See you....out there." --- Final words from Q on STtNG
Warrior
>
>PI investigation shows there are / were two "Laura Terepins."
>The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
>"Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
>of stolen identity.
This should be easy enough to verify. Send the picture that
Bob posted to a.b.s. to those at CAN who knew and worked
with Laura. Ask if it is a picture of the same lady who
Bob, Jesse and Stacy knew.
Warrior
>
>PI investigation shows there are / were two "Laura Terepins."
>The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
>"Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
>of stolen identity.
Why should we believe this allegation?
Could you post a valid email address for yourself? My email to you
("FloodC...@drac.host4u.net") bounced.
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==
Warrior
>
>Wait a minute....
>
>Are you saying that, when the CoS took over CAN, one of them changed her name
>to be the same as one of the old CAN people!?
Good question. Perhaps "Flood Control" could clarify.
Warrior
See http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/
Carol2180
The picture is of the Laura Terepin that volunteered for CAN ... but that
doesn't affirm the accusation of a false identity. Only someone who was in
Consciousness Development with Laura would be able to say that this picture is
not the same person who was in CD.
Carol Giambalvo
Visit my Home Page: http://members.aol.com/carol2180/
Ron Newman
caro...@aol.com (Carol2180) wrote:
> The picture is of the Laura Terepin that volunteered for CAN ... but that
> doesn't affirm the accusation of a false identity. Only someone who was in
> Consciousness Development with Laura would be able to say that this picture is
> not the same person who was in CD
What is "Consciousness Development" ?
--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
Mike O'Connor
> My husband did his own netsearch
> when we began getting nutty calls at at home,
Hi! Please detail the nutty calls. Thanks!
--
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<http://www.panix.com/~lepton/>
Zane
> It could be a total fluke that this person is wearing my maiden
> name. However, I have a reason to wonder
This just gets stranger and stranger. I hope I'm not the only one who
is totally confused.
Zane - KoX, SP4, Club Nine
Free meme innoculations!
Dave Bird
theothe...@hotmail.com writes
>Hi folks!
>
> What a horror to log on to a.r.s the other morning and find
> my maiden name attached to a post that claimed I was a whore
> for Co$. Yup, I am the other Laura Terepin. I am the Laura
> Terepin you will find if you do a PeopleFinder search on the
> net, but I am NOT the woman named in Bob's post! As far as
> I am aware, my parents in MI and my elderly aunt in NY are the
> only Terepins in this country. My husband did his own netsearch
> when we began getting nutty calls at at home, and it became
> apparent that this woman has been using this name for quite a
> while, but I doubt that I have an unknown relative with the
> same name as me. If this is her real name, where is her family?
> The only Terepins that seem to exist are MY family--I don't
> find any others.
Hi, this is an awkward situation but I am afraid your ex-friend
is the one solely responsible for it. I will try not to make
things worse by remembering to call this bitch "the woman who
falsely assumed the name Laura Terrepin." That she maliciously
assumed the fairly unique name of a real person gives me even
further grounds to suspect her motives.
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Hud Nordin
>On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT, theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> It could be a total fluke that this person is wearing my maiden
>> name. However, I have a reason to wonder
>
>This just gets stranger and stranger. I hope I'm not the only one who
>is totally confused.
If you think you're confused, this is all I could get out of the
Haikumatic:
Laura Terepin.
Some say she is. Some say no.
Friend? Whore? Wog? Shellback?
How come nothing *interesting* happens in A.R.S. any more?
--
Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley
Bernie
> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
> over....
Because you received bogus calls? Why would critics make bogus calls?
Warrior
>
>>
>>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
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In article <36a80caf....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, smok...@ix.netcom.com
says...
>
>Laura,
>
>Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
>'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
>says, "Posted via Deja News"?
That seemed strange to me too. Here's the header of the posting.
It appears that it was posted through Northwestern University
as the NNTP-Posting-Host was 129.105.167.66. A numeric lookup
shows that this is laura.anthro.nwu.edu (see below).
From: theothe...@hotmail.com
Newsgroup: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Concerning Laura Terepin
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT
Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
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Numeric address lookup:
Name: laura.anthro.nwu.edu
Address: 129.105.167.66
>I was going to send you the picture that Bob posted to
>alt.binaries.scientology, but I am confused as to where to send it.
>
>Also I am curious as to your facile use of the word 'org' as in;
> " . . . told me that she is quite high in the Chicago org these
>days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
>to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
>never did.
I thought the same regarding the use of "org".
>At any rate, I will be glad to send you the picture.
>
>I am posting this to the newsgroup and sending it to your hotmail
>address just to see what happens.
>
>-Neal H.
Please let me know what you find out, Neal. Especially if your email
bounces.
Keith Henson
snip
: Hi, this is an awkward situation but I am afraid your ex-friend
: is the one solely responsible for it. I will try not to make
: things worse by remembering to call this bitch "the woman who
: falsely assumed the name Laura Terrepin." That she maliciously
: assumed the fairly unique name of a real person gives me even
: further grounds to suspect her motives.
Dave, NOT ESTABLISHED AS FACT. Yet. CAN's LT could turn out to be using
her real name. Name colisions do occur. All that it would take to prove
this is (for example) finding her name and picture in the high school
yearbook from where she went to school as a kid. It will be very, very
interesting to see if CAN's "Laura Terepin" is able to supply this minor
piece of background information to Cynthea Kisser or others of the people
who tend to support her.
She certainly could, but I would guess she will not.
You do have a point that the two need to be distinguished, though.
Keith Henson
Neal Hamel
>
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Laura,
Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
says, "Posted via Deja News"?
I was going to send you the picture that Bob posted to
alt.binaries.scientology, but I am confused as to where to send it.
Also I am curious as to your facile use of the word 'org' as in;
" . . . told me that she is quite high in the Chicago org these
days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
never did.
At any rate, I will be glad to send you the picture.
Tilman Hausherr
Hamel) wrote:
>Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
>'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
>says, "Posted via Deja News"?
This is perfectly normal. She has a hotmail address and uses dejanews.
You could also have a netcom address and posting through dejanews. YOu
do not need to have a dejanews address to post through dejanews.
On 21 Jan 1999 22:32:08 -0800, Warrior wrote:
>That seemed strange to me too. Here's the header of the posting.
>It appears that it was posted through Northwestern University
>as the NNTP-Posting-Host was 129.105.167.66. A numeric lookup
>shows that this is laura.anthro.nwu.edu (see below).
This is normal too. She does probably have a university address, but
doesn't want to be spammed there, so she uses this hotmail throw-away
address.
So she is an anthropologist... must be fun to study all these anti-cult
activists attacking each other :-)
Tilman
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Mark Styles
>Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
>'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
>says, "Posted via Deja News"?
Dejanews lets you define your own 'reply-to' address, which can be any
address. When I used to post through Dejanews, I used a yahoo.com
address.
The posting host will also have nothing to do with Dejanews, as the
posting host is the address of the physical machine which the message
was posted to Dejanews from.
Mark.
Religious tolerance is an oxymoron.
http://www.lambic.co.uk
Zenon Panoussis
Neal Hamel skrev:
>
> Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
> 'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
> says, "Posted via Deja News"?
DejaNews requires you to have a valid e-mail address to
post. So if you don't have e-mail or don't want to use
your own account, you go to hotmail, get an account,
make a posting in DejaNews, go back to hotmail to
acknowledge the confirmation that is sent to you and
then, only then, your posting makes the newsgroup.
> Also I am curious as to your facile use of the word 'org' as in;
> " . . . told me that she is quite high in the Chicago org these
> days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
> to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
> never did.
The full quote is "Her ex-husband (she divorced him to marry
another scieno) has told me that she is quite high..." etc. I
would assume that the ex-husband (who might also be an ex-scieno,
as it is not clear if "other" refers to him or to the woman
herself) is familiar with the term "org" and uses the term
"scieno". It can easily be assumed that Laura picked up the
terms from him. Then again I'll agree, a bit of paranoia never
hurt anybody, but the contrary can be said about the lack of
it.
> At any rate, I will be glad to send you the picture.
Well, OtherLaura?
Z
--
oracle@everywhere: The ephemeral source of the eternal truth...
Frank Copeland
Neal Hamel <smok...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT, theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
>Laura,
>
>Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
>'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
>says, "Posted via Deja News"?
What's to explain? Posting via DejaNews from a hotmail account is perfectly
normal, especially if you have no real ISP but can access the Web via a
library or something similar. As an exercise for the reader, try a reverse
lookup on '129.105.167.66', which was the posting host.
>Also I am curious as to your facile use of the word 'org' as in;
> " . . . told me that she is quite high in the Chicago org these
>days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
>to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
>never did.
Umm, I use the word 'org' quite facilely myself. It's what $cientologists
call their establishments. I call christian establishments 'churches',
muslim ones 'mosques' and jewish ones 'synagogues'. I'm an atheist.
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Keep it in Usenet. E-mail replies and 'courtesy' copies are not welcome.
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Karin Spaink
> I use the word 'org' quite facilely myself. It's what $cientologists
> call their establishments. I call christian establishments 'churches',
> muslim ones 'mosques' and jewish ones 'synagogues'. I'm an atheist.
... and you call atheist establishments cafés? ;-)
groet,
Karin Spaink
- I write, therefore I am:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink
Deana Marie Holmes
wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
I have a question.
How do we know this isn't an op?
I mean, we haven't seen this Laura's birth certificat with her maiden
name, or anything. It could be some random Laura or even a fake out
there, trolling the newsgroup.
C'mon, people, let's use some common sense here!
Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod Keller)
The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
mir...@xmission.com
theothe...@hotmail.com
> Laura,
>
> Can you explain the discrepancy between your domain name of
> 'hotmail.com' and the fact that at the footer of your message it
> says, "Posted via Deja News"?
I am reading the group via dejanews and posting from there.
Hotmail is not a domain; it is an anonymous remailer.
> I was going to send you the picture that Bob posted to
> alt.binaries.scientology, but I am confused as to where to send it.
Don't bother. A few folks have already done so. The
picture is not of me, nor is it of my ex-friend.
> Also I am curious as to your facile use of the word 'org' as in;
> " . . . told me that she is quite high in the Chicago org these
> days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
> to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
> never did.
I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
fascinated ever since.
laura
David Gerard
:Dave, NOT ESTABLISHED AS FACT. Yet. CAN's LT could turn out to be using
:her real name. Name colisions do occur. All that it would take to prove
:this is (for example) finding her name and picture in the high school
:yearbook from where she went to school as a kid.
I'd have trouble supplying that at present. I probably could with effort,
but not quickly.
--
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"So self-published that he has callouses." - Lionel Lauer on Edmond Wollman
BigBeard
>In article <1999012022...@spectre.ktb.net>,
> Flood Control <FloodC...@drac.host4u.net> wrote:
>> PI investigation shows there are / were two "Laura Terepins."
>> The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
>> "Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
>> of stolen identity.
>
>Hi folks!
>
> What a horror to log on to a.r.s the other morning and find
> my maiden name attached to a post that claimed I was a whore
> for Co$. Yup, I am the other Laura Terepin. I am the Laura
> Terepin you will find if you do a PeopleFinder search on the
> net, but I am NOT the woman named in Bob's post! As far as
> I am aware, my parents in MI and my elderly aunt in NY are the
> only Terepins in this country. My husband did his own netsearch
> when we began getting nutty calls at at home, and it became
> apparent that this woman has been using this name for quite a
> while, but I doubt that I have an unknown relative with the
> same name as me. If this is her real name, where is her family?
> The only Terepins that seem to exist are MY family--I don't
> find any others.
Not showing up in a PeopleFinder search may only mean she has an
unpublished phone number and doesn't use her real name to get on line.
It doesn't mean she's not who she says she is. Most of my family
doesn't show up in any PeopleFinder search, but it doesn't mean they
aren't who they say they are.
> This woman obviously exists, and people have met her personally.
> I have no knowledge about who she is or whether she is really
> a spy for the org or not. All I know is that this is my maiden
> name, and me and mine have been catching the grief that should
> be focused on her.
If you don't know if she is really a spy for the org (you use that
awfully casually by the way) or not, then why do you believe the
"grief", as you call it, should be focused on her (or anyone for that
matter) and not just removed from you??
> I feel VERY violated over this situation,
> and formally request that those "outing" her understand that you
> are harming innocent people in the process.
You're implying she isn't innocent with that comment. Do you know
something the rest of us aren't privvy too?
> It could be a total fluke that this person is wearing my maiden
> name. However, I have a reason to wonder: I lost a very dear
> friend to the cult back in the 80s. Her ex-husband (she
> divorced him to marry another scieno) has told me that she is
> quite high in the Chicago org these days. She knew me as that
> name (I've always hated it and had it legally changed). Also,
> when she got involved with Co$, she tried to get me to join too.
> I received two or three calls from the Chicago org before they
> gave up on me, so I know that that name is in a file drawer or
> database at the Chicago org. I simply feel it is too much a
> coincidence that this woman is wearing my name...perhaps she
> got it from my ex-friend, or perhaps this woman IS my
> ex-friend!
My "coincidence meter" is going off over this entire post.
> I've been trying to find the picture Bob said he posted on
> the binaries group, but I have yet to locate it. I'm VERY
> curious whether he pulled a picture of me off my website,
> whether the picture is of my ex-friend, or what the deal is.
> If anyone has a copy of what he posted, I'd sure appreciate
> it if someone would email it to me.
>
> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
> over....
>
> I've seen recent post that claims this woman will post a
> message of her own soon. I sure hope she does! I'm *very*
> curious to hear from the person who is either my long-lost
> cousin or the person who apparently stole my name.
Or not related to you in any way, shape, or form except a coincidence
of names.
>
> the other laura terepin
>
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
BigBeard
0111 1110
Katana ko chi, SPsoo
Zenon Panoussis
Deana Marie Holmes skrev:
>
> I have a question.
>
> How do we know this isn't an op?
>
> I mean, we haven't seen this Laura's birth certificat with her maiden
> name, or anything. It could be some random Laura or even a fake out
> there, trolling the newsgroup.
>
> C'mon, people, let's use some common sense here!
There are nn postings of yours in the Laura threads in
which you doubt that Laura was an op and ask for evidence
that proves her guilt. Now you make an entrance in the
OtherLaura thread by claiming she might be an op and
- practically - asking for evidence that proves her
innocence.
You might notice that my postings in the Laura threads
have only touched side-issues and that I have taken no
stance one way or the other. This is not a sign of
cowardice on my part, but the result of unwillingness
to participate in the destruction of this newsgroup.
Of the 300+ postings in the Laura threads, most are
flames in one way or another. Either Bob and Jesse
have DAed an innocent Laura or they have uncovered
an OSA plant, the flamewars don't benefit anybody
except the CoS. We have a great lack of serious
argument and discussion and a massive overflow of
speculation, accusations and counter-accusations,
screaming and ad hominems. And in all this, I regret
to say, my gut meter shows that in the past few days
you have started or provoked more flame subthreads
than anybody else.
I think you need to use the common sense you are
advocating and moderate your postings just a little
bit. And yes, I am aware that I am starting a flame
subthread myself. If you reply with anything but
pure logical argument I will move the discussion
to e-mail.
colette
at the pictures from the Chicago picket to see if they
recognize any of those people as "Laura Terepin." I
doubt they will, but they might as well look.
colette
]On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:32:44 GMT, ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie)
]wrote:
]
]>On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
]>
]>> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
]>> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
]>> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
]>> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
]>> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
]>> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
]>> over....
]>
]>Because you received bogus calls? Why would critics make bogus calls?
]
]I have a question.
]
]How do we know this isn't an op?
OK, I know you're being sarcastic here, but I'd just
like to say for the record that I am in possession of
some evidence that *this* Laura is not an op of any
kind. I have an e-mail from a Laura <last name
deleted> from Northwestern, dated Dec. 8, 1998, asking
about my Chicago picket pix to see if I caught the
name of one of the Scientologists in my pictures.
She said one of them resembled a dear friend of hers
that she'd lost to the cult years ago, and who she'd
heard became quite a high-up member. (I had a brain
lapse and forgot to respond to her at the time.)
I can also verify through university records (public)
that she has been, indeed, an employee of the
Northwestern.
It would seem like quite a lot of set-up to go
through for *this* Laura to be an op.
... just in case anybody was seriously thinking it.
Keith Henson
: >days." . You use it just like a long time scientologist. This seems
: >to be at odds with your claim that Laura invited to to join but you
: >never did.
: I thought the same regarding the use of "org".
Or any long term reader of a.r.s, which she is. Keith Henson
Dave Bird
<hkhe...@netcom.com> writes
>Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>: Hi, this is an awkward situation but I am afraid your ex-friend
>: is the one solely responsible for it. I will try not to make
>: things worse by remembering to call this bitch "the woman who
>: falsely assumed the name Laura Terrepin." That she maliciously
>: assumed the fairly unique name of a real person gives me even
>: further grounds to suspect her motives.
>
>her real name. Name colisions do occur. All that it would take to prove
>this is (for example) finding her name and picture in the high school
>interesting to see if CAN's "Laura Terepin" is able to supply this minor
>piece of background information to Cynthea Kisser or others of the people
>who tend to support her.
Unless -- which I don't believe -- this new person is lying, it is most
unlikely there "just happens to be" another Laura Terrepin.
Where are her family: did she "just growed" like Topsy?
--
HAS ANYONE NOTICED that this "Mock Terrapin" shit and the Op against FactNet
just happens to coincide with SIX OSA AGENTS CAUGHT POSTING THE FORGE-SPAME?
/
_.._
(.--.) Dave Bird, Pope Potamus IIIrd--
.-~'\__/'~-. St Hippo of Agustine in
: ./~~\. : the First Canine Chapel of Bob Dobbs' Dog
::: (.__.) ::: (Church of the SubGenius)
~~~~
Dave Bird
>On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
>> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
>> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
>> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
>> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
>> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
>> over....
>
>Because you received bogus calls? Why would critics make bogus calls?
Bogus is perhaps not the right word; calls based on a wrong belief
that this other person ("the Mock Terrapin") was her, maybe people
just phoning up to ask "her" side of the story.
Warrior
>
>...I'd just like to say for the record that I am in
>an op of any kind. I have an e-mail from a Laura <last
>name deleted> from Northwestern, dated Dec. 8, 1998,
>asking about my Chicago picket pix to see if I caught
>the name of one of the Scientologists in my pictures.
>She said one of them resembled a dear friend of hers
>that she'd lost to the cult years ago, and who she'd
>heard became quite a high-up member. (I had a brain
>lapse and forgot to respond to her at the time.)
>
>I can also verify through university records (public)
>that she has been, indeed, an employee of the
>Northwestern.
>
>It would seem like quite a lot of set-up to go
>through for *this* Laura to be an op.
It may *seem* like quite a lot to go through, but
I suspect your opinion is based upon your lack of
experience as a member of Scientology. Consider
that FACTNet, the original CAN, Bob Minton, Jesse
Prince, Stacy Young, Cynthia Kisser, Dan Leipold
and Larry Wollersheim are, in Scientology's book,
the cult's biggest enemies.
I have no idea whether you were ever a member, but
if you had personally known some B1 staff as I did,
you would realize the lengths to which Scientology's
OSA will go to destroy a perceived enemy. Suggested
exercise if you would care to educate yourself further
is this: do a search for information on Paulette Cooper
and Operation Freakout; or read up on the ops run
against Gabe Cazares.
Scientology management is even capable of, and has
lied to its own staff. Suggested reading is "Operation
Quaker" and "End of Cautiousness Eval".
>... just in case anybody was seriously thinking it.
I am at least considering that "theotherlaura_t"
could be part of an op. I noted that "theotherlaura_t"
posted from NWU. I have the header of her post. If
you haven't seen it, drop me an email, and I'll send
it to you right away.
Mike O'Connor
[...]
> Scientology management is even capable of, and has
> lied to its own staff. Suggested reading is "Operation
> Quaker" and "End of Cautiousness Eval".
[...]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EYE'S ONLY
TOPSECRET Duke, Here is plan discussed, love Bryce
PROJECT QUAKER (Refer to the persons concerned as "the friends")
INFORMATION:
It may be deemed necessary for all the DC Staff who could be pulled in for
questioning 'to suddenly leave. This must be done in such a way So that
they never can be accused of "fleeing prosecution".
MAJOR TARGET
To ensure that all those DC staff concerned are not available for
questioning by Scales yet cannot be prosecuted for fleeing.
[...]
2. US D1 SEUS SEC is to work up an ED or some such official type
proclamation entitled "Sabbatical Leaves." This can be worked out with
both D/NAT'L SEC US B1 and DDG US. The above shall basically state that
about 10 GO personnel shall be chosen for Sabbatical leaves. This shall
start with the Founding Church in Washington DC. This is being done as an
award for upstats who consistently produce well, and as an experiment to
see what an energetic staff member will do on his own if given 3 to 6
months to travel and study and use scn tech.
[...]
3. When the above Ed is completed, it should be sent to all GO DC staff
wherever needed. It should appear real to those whom it does not affect.
US B1 SEUS SEC
[...]
8) SEUS SEC B1 is to ensure that the "need to know" is strictly followed
on this project. No communicators are to know. The Need to Know is limited
to DG US; DDG US; DG I US, DDG I US; US b1 NAT'L SEC, D/NAT'L SEC US; any
US DG's that must know are told by DG US; and those DG staff that this
concerns.
[...]
11. A cover story as to why "they" all went there; without the Church
knowing it, must be worked out - as this breaks Sabbatical rules. SEUS SEC
US B1
[...]
14. The entire DC Org should be alerted in some way to this Sabbatical
"cover story". And if needed to be implimented the DC Org should be
informed of this "award for" those concerned. (The one, two - 10 Talent
analogy should be used). This is to take all the mystery off the line and
make it no surprise as well as handling any testimony in court by any
staff. SEUS SEC US B1
[...]
(written in bottom corner '#37 (illegible initials) 7/8/77)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
colette
(BigBeard) wrote:
]On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT, theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
]> This woman obviously exists, and people have met her personally.
]> I have no knowledge about who she is or whether she is really
]> a spy for the org or not. All I know is that this is my maiden
]> name, and me and mine have been catching the grief that should
]> be focused on her.
]
]If you don't know if she is really a spy for the org (you use that
]awfully casually by the way)
You're talking to someone who's been reading ars
for a few years, and who had close friends who
got caught up in the cult. I also toss around the
word org, as do most critics. That does not make us
"ops".
]My "coincidence meter" is going off over this entire post.
Of course it is! That's the point!
*If* Bob and Jesse's Laura is a fake, it makes
complete sense that the C0$ might use the identity
of a real person that one of them once knew. It's
convenient. Anyone does a cursory check on this
person and whaddya know, there's a Laura Terepin,
who has some association with Northwestern University,
and has a social security number that is only one
number off (must be a typo somewhere, right?). It
works for them.
I'm not saying any of that is true, but *if* it
were true, your coincidence meter would *have* to
go off!
If anything, I would think your coincidence meter
here might lead you to believe that maybe Bob and
Jesse aren't imagining this (note: in no way do I
condone *at all* the way either of them have gone
about "discussing" this matter, mind you).
Look, if nothing else, I can verify that this
new/real/innocent Laura is a bona fide real
person at Northwestern. I'm here. I can check
this stuff *really* easily. She checks out fine.
Her story now is consistent with what she told me
back in early December in e-mail.
I have to ask you or whomever: If this Laura
were an op, what purpose would it serve? To
what end? OSA wouldn't have negative reason
to do such a thing, because it lends credence
to the notion that Bob and Jesse's Laura was a
spy. Are you saying Bob is running this new
Laura as an op to lend credence to his paranoia?
If so, was Bob so paranoid that he travelled
back in time and planted this Laura at
Northwestern 10 years ago and posed her in
fake wedding photos to put up on a fake web
page?
colette
ARGH! It is generally considered good ettiquette to
*inform* someone when you are posting *and* mailing
your reply. If I'd known you'd posted, as well as
mailed, I'd have been able to *post* instead of mail
my reply, and avoid having to reproduce it a second
time!
</peeve>
In article <78avv2$4...@drn.newsguy.com>, Warrior <war...@entheta.net> wrote:
>In article <cdm-220199...@marine.ils.nwu.edu>, c...@nwu.edu says...
>It may *seem* like quite a lot to go through, but
>I suspect your opinion is based upon your lack of
>experience as a member of Scientology. Consider
>that FACTNet, the original CAN, Bob Minton, Jesse
>Prince, Stacy Young, Cynthia Kisser, Dan Leipold
>and Larry Wollersheim are, in Scientology's book,
>the cult's biggest enemies.
I'm quite aware of what they are capable of.
However, this would require them to have planted
this NU Laura as an employee of NU *years* ago,
just so that they could have her post saying "Hey,
someone's using my name!" And, why *would*
they? All it does is lend credence to the theory
that Bob's Laura is, in fact, OSA.
You *are* aware that I was talking about the
NU Laura, the one who claims someone's probably
stolen her identity to spy on Bob, when I said
*this* Laura is probably not an op.
Could it be possible that you are, as they say,
"violently agreeing with" me?
>I have no idea whether you were ever a member, but
>if you had personally known some B1 staff as I did,
>you would realize the lengths to which Scientology's
>OSA will go to destroy a perceived enemy. Suggested
>exercise if you would care to educate yourself further
>is this: do a search for information on Paulette Cooper
>and Operation Freakout; or read up on the ops run
>against Gabe Cazares.
I am aware of these cases. I know what they do.
I just find it in-credible that they would have
arranged for *this* Laura to be in place almost
10 years ago, just so that she could write a post
today that lends credence to the notion that the
"fake" Laura really *is* an OSA plant. It makes no
sense.
>Scientology management is even capable of, and has
>lied to its own staff. Suggested reading is "Operation
>Quaker" and "End of Cautiousness Eval".
>
>>... just in case anybody was seriously thinking it.
>
>I am at least considering that "theotherlaura_t"
>could be part of an op. I noted that "theotherlaura_t"
>posted from NWU. I have the header of her post. If
>you haven't seen it, drop me an email, and I'll send
>it to you right away.
I have seen it, and I've been in communication with
this "real" Laura. She is a fellow member of the staff
here at Northwestern. I have verified through university
sources that she is "real." I have looked at her web page
(with pictures). She is the real deal.
Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
from what I understand, claims to have attended
Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
last 7 years (that's how far back my university
directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
using a social security number that is only one number
off from the "real" Laura Terepin. Both of those things,
shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
But, like I said, I see no evidence and find it not
credible that this "real" Laura Terepin is also an op
(in fact, there is evidence to the contrary).
Why would she be?
Dave Bird
Ummm...thanks for your responses. I think.
the lisa who is neither lesbian nor Orthodox
--
Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dave Bird
Warrior
>ARGH! It is generally considered good ettiquette to
>*inform* someone when you are posting *and* mailing
>your reply. If I'd known you'd posted, as well as
>mailed, I'd have been able to *post* instead of mail
>my reply, and avoid having to reproduce it a second
>time!
></peeve>
Sorry about that. Normally I do indicate that it was
posted as well as mailed. I assure you that it was an
oversight on my part. I apologize for the inconvenience
I caused you by necessitating your double work. That
was an honest error I shall try my best to not repeat.
[posted/mailed]
All the best,
Warrior
Zane
Simcha Streltsov wrote:
> Eliezer Dvir (elieze...@bc.sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
> : From what I learned, though certainly no authority on the subject in an
> : absolute sense, most 'rabbis' would not consider the person a Jew any
> : longer - according to the chassidische yeshivas I learned in for two
>
> I just saw how a woman like that (and not very stable, in addition),
> was given a place to stay overnight in a shul, and hired - probably
> not for long - by a Jewish small business. Noone directed her to
> a church or Salvation Army.
Hey, we're not allowed to proselytize to *gentiles*.
I'm pretty sure we're supposed to reclaim our own!
Susan
Zane
Keith Henson
firefly wrote:
> Susan
>
> YOU CAN COME VISIT ME.
I notice you still don't say where you live.
Hartley Patterson
> What a horror to log on to a.r.s the other morning and find
> my maiden name attached to a post that claimed I was a whore
> for Co$. Yup, I am the other Laura Terepin. I am the Laura
> Terepin you will find if you do a PeopleFinder search on the
> net, but I am NOT the woman named in Bob's post! As far as
> I am aware, my parents in MI and my elderly aunt in NY are the
> only Terepins in this country. My husband did his own netsearch
> when we began getting nutty calls at at home, and it became
> apparent that this woman has been using this name for quite a
> while, but I doubt that I have an unknown relative with the
> same name as me. If this is her real name, where is her family?
> The only Terepins that seem to exist are MY family--I don't
> find any others.
I happen to have a genealogy computer program (Family Tree Maker) that
comes with a CD with 115 million American names on (being an American
program). I searched for 'Terepin' and got just two names, a Katherine
and a Raymond Terepin, both died between 1937-1993. It doesn't include
people still alive (apart from Elvis!), so the people noted above would
not be on it.
This would seem to support the above post - if it is, in the murky world
of conspiracy theory, genuine of course! <g>
It might seem crazy for a person wanting to assume a false identity to
pick a name, particularly an unusual one, belonging to someone they
could be connected to but IIRC that's what people often do. Just as
people often use their cat's or their dog's name as a password.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://village.vossnet.co.uk/h/hpttrsn/
An old universe and a medieval spreadsheet
Featuring JRR Tolkien, Charles Fort and L Ron Hubbard
Keith Henson
snip
: Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
: I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
: say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
: from what I understand, claims to have attended
: Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
: up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
: last 7 years (that's how far back my university
: directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
: using a social security number that is only one number
: off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
Oh my!
Both of those things,
: shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
: that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
Or something even stranger than an OSA op.
: But, like I said, I see no evidence and find it not
: credible that this "real" Laura Terepin is also an op
: (in fact, there is evidence to the contrary).
: Why would she be?
I certainly can't think of any reason. Her being a reader of
ARS and coming out of the woodwork in response to Bob's posting
must have been a shock somewhere.
I still consider it possible that someone would have exactly the same
exceedingly unusual name and a SS# one digit off, and there to be a
connection through scn where the name could have traveled. But assuming
the SS# is correct, this is getting to be a mathematical possibility, not
a real life one.
Keith Henson
BigBeard
>In article <36aa9c1b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, lni...@ix.netcom.com
>(BigBeard) wrote:
>
>]On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:55:29 GMT, theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>]> This woman obviously exists, and people have met her personally.
>]> I have no knowledge about who she is or whether she is really
>]> a spy for the org or not. All I know is that this is my maiden
>]> name, and me and mine have been catching the grief that should
>]> be focused on her.
>]
>]If you don't know if she is really a spy for the org (you use that
>]awfully casually by the way)
>
>You're talking to someone who's been reading ars
>for a few years, and who had close friends who
>got caught up in the cult. I also toss around the
>word org, as do most critics. That does not make us
>"ops".
Didn't say it did.
>]My "coincidence meter" is going off over this entire post.
>
>Of course it is! That's the point!
>
>*If* Bob and Jesse's Laura is a fake, it makes
>complete sense that the C0$ might use the identity
>of a real person that one of them once knew.
But there has been NO, ZERO, ZIP evidence presented that the
CAN/Factnet Laura is a fake. Only a coincidence of names and an
immediate claim based on that coincidence of "identity theft".
>It's convenient. Anyone does a cursory check on this
>person and whaddya know, there's a Laura Terepin,
>who has some association with Northwestern University,
>and has a social security number that is only one
>number off (must be a typo somewhere, right?). It
>works for them.
If there's no record of the CAN/Factnet Laura at NWU how do you know
there's only one digit difference in the SSAN's?? And by what right
are you privy to either SSAN anyway?
>I'm not saying any of that is true, but *if* it
>were true, your coincidence meter would *have* to
>go off!
My coincidence meter went off without knowing any of this. And having
you pop up to reinforce the assertions made with this SSAN is off by
one digit info is pegging it even harder.
>If anything, I would think your coincidence meter
>here might lead you to believe that maybe Bob and
>Jesse aren't imagining this (note: in no way do I
>condone *at all* the way either of them have gone
>about "discussing" this matter, mind you).
Or it could mean they are being redirected to a "fall-gal" because
someone was getting to close to a real OSA plant. Mind you I'm not
saying that's what's going on, but it fits the evidence just as well.
>Look, if nothing else, I can verify that this
>new/real/innocent Laura is a bona fide real
>person at Northwestern. I'm here. I can check
>this stuff *really* easily. She checks out fine.
>Her story now is consistent with what she told me
>back in early December in e-mail.
I believe you know the NWU Laura. I'd like to know how your getting
this info on the CAN/Factnet Laura that supposedly doesn't show up in
a PeopleFinder though.
>I have to ask you or whomever: If this Laura
>were an op, what purpose would it serve? To
>what end?
To add to the invalidation of the CAN/Factnet Laura if she is in fact
a "Fall Gal" to protect a real plant. (Again I'm not saying this is
what's going on, put it's just as valid a hypothesis on the so called
"data" presented so far.
> OSA wouldn't have negative reason
>to do such a thing, because it lends credence
>to the notion that Bob and Jesse's Laura was a
>spy.
Which is exactly why they WOULD do such a thing if they are trying to
protect someone else.
> Are you saying Bob is running this new
>Laura as an op to lend credence to his paranoia?
No, but I wouldn't put it past OSA to do so.
>If so, was Bob so paranoid that he travelled
>back in time and planted this Laura at
>Northwestern 10 years ago and posed her in
>fake wedding photos to put up on a fake web
>page?
Never said such a thing. But it's interesting the NWU Laura also has a
connection, even if indirectly through a "lost friend", with
$cientology. And I know from hard, documented, evidence that the Cof$
is not above deep plants in unlikely places.
Len "BigBeard" Nieman
David Gerard
:f...@thingy.apana.org.au (Frank Copeland) wrote:
:> I use the word 'org' quite facilely myself. It's what $cientologists
:> call their establishments. I call christian establishments 'churches',
:> muslim ones 'mosques' and jewish ones 'synagogues'. I'm an atheist.
:... and you call atheist establishments cafés? ;-)
We call them 'pubs'. HTH!
David Gerard
: She is also, supposedly,
:using a social security number that is only one number
:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
include a checksum digit?
David Gerard
Indeed. As Cerberus put it (in
http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/scn/fun/cerberus.txt ), "About the *only*
thing that is Clear (pun) is that the regular participants have grappled
themselves into such enigmatic knots that they have become the
incomprehensible masters of the newsgroup. Even the anti-CoS regulars
posting on a.r.s. have become so acclimated to the argot that they have
'gone native' -- flinging Scientology and net jargon around like a demented
OT VIII sysad."
Once on #scientology, I had a Scientologist who thought I must be an ex-Scn
because I was using the jargon so much, apparently correctly. *That* was
a bit of a shock.
Reread 'A Clockwork Orange'. You pick up a dialect by hearing it and using
it.
Boudewijn van Ingen
wrote:
>colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>: Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
>: I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
>: say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
>: from what I understand, claims to have attended
>: Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
>: up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
>: last 7 years (that's how far back my university
>: directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
>: using a social security number that is only one number
>: off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>
>Oh my!
> Both of those things,
>: shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
>: that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
>
>Or something even stranger than an OSA op.
>
>: But, like I said, I see no evidence and find it not
>: credible that this "real" Laura Terepin is also an op
>: (in fact, there is evidence to the contrary).
>: Why would she be?
>
>I certainly can't think of any reason. Her being a reader of
>ARS and coming out of the woodwork in response to Bob's posting
>must have been a shock somewhere.
>
>I still consider it possible that someone would have exactly the same
>exceedingly unusual name and a SS# one digit off, and there to be a
>connection through scn where the name could have traveled. But assuming
>the SS# is correct, this is getting to be a mathematical possibility, not
>a real life one.
Has this SS# been verified? I mean the one of the LT that worked for
CAN, not the one other one. (confusing this. ;-) )
Groeten,
Boudewijn, Kox.
"I guarantee you that isn't true," said Mike Rinder, a top official for Scientology
Keith Henson
: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
: : She is also, supposedly, using a social security number that is only
one number off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
: Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
: include a checksum digit?
Yes it is possible and no checksum digit. Keith Henson
: --
Hud Nordin
>On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>: She is also, supposedly,
>:using a social security number that is only one number
>:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>
>Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
>include a checksum digit?
From a quick web search, I'd conclude the US SSN has no check digit.
Several documents address health care and student IDs which are SSNs
plus a (presumably necessary) check digit.
Some other documents address the problem of the SSN NOT having a check
digit (and that randomly generated SSNs are increasingly likely to be
valid, assigned ones because the 9-digit name-space is so small).
--
Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley
Nick Andrew
>I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
>discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
>course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
>three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
>out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
>cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
>fascinated ever since.
You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
find that rather hard to believe.
Nick.
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BigBeard
>>A two-state
>>solution is the only thing that will bring about a lasting peace.
>
>Never, since the Palestinians living within the Zionist borders can
>never accept second-class status in their own land. Only a de-Zionized
>state devoid of the Zionist claptrap idolatry and heresy will succeed.
But when the Peace Process first began, and they thought that it would
eventually result in an independent Palestinian State, the vast majority of
Palestinians supported the treaty enthusiastically. It is only when it began
to appear that the Israelis never intended to allow that to occur that
public opinion began to turn against the Peace.
Keith Henson
: In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
: >I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
: >discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
: >course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
: >three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
: >out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
: >cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
: >fascinated ever since.
: You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
: find that rather hard to believe.
I don't. I know at least a dozen people who read but don't post.
Keith Henson
kEvin
Nick Andrew <ni...@zeta.org.au> wrote:
>You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
>find that rather hard to believe.
The majority of USENET readers do not post.
kEvin
m...@primenet.com
Hud Nordin
>In article <78br4o$6l8$5...@youknow.apana.org.au> f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) writes:
>>On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>>: She is also, supposedly,
>>:using a social security number that is only one number
>>:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>>
>>Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
>>include a checksum digit?
>
>From a quick web search, I'd conclude the US SSN has no check digit.
[Following up on myself.]
This URL will take one to an unofficial description of the fields in a
US SSN, what values are valid, and how they are generated:
http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/privacy/ssn/ssn.structure.html
The two SSNs that differ by one digit should be examined in the light
shed by this document.
Boudewijn van Ingen
>In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>>I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
>>discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
>>course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
>>three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
>>out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
>>cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
>>fascinated ever since.
>
>You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
>find that rather hard to believe.
Why? It took me more than a year before I made my first post. And
currently I know at least six people who read ars regularly, and I
have my "suspicians" about at least as many more...
Rebecca Hartong
Keith Henson wrote in message ...
[re the "real Laura Terepin"]
>I certainly can't think of any reason. Her being a reader of
>ARS and coming out of the woodwork in response to Bob's posting
>must have been a shock somewhere.
I find it to be an AMAZING coincidence.
>I still consider it possible that someone would have exactly the same
>exceedingly unusual name and a SS# one digit off, and there to be a
>connection through scn where the name could have traveled. But assuming
>the SS# is correct, this is getting to be a mathematical possibility, not
>a real life one.
I'd like to know how colette happens to know the "fake Laura Terepin's"
social security number.
Mike O'Connor
Andrew) wrote:
[...]
> You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
> find that rather hard to believe.
I read a.r.s for a year before my first post. There are a LOT of lurkers
out there. My guess is 100 for each active poster, about 30,000 readers.
Ron Newman
> >I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
> >discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
> >course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
> >three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
> >out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
> >cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
> >fascinated ever since.
>
> You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
> find that rather hard to believe.
I don't. Many people lurk on Usenet and never post.
--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
Rob Clark
>Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
>I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
>say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
>from what I understand, claims to have attended
>Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
>up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
>last 7 years (that's how far back my university
>directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
>using a social security number that is only one number
>off from the "real" Laura Terepin. Both of those things,
>shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
>that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
as for the general information, i assume that you verified that personally with
the "real" laura terepin at NWU. thank you. this is more useful information
than days of minton playing hot-potato with his data.
i don't know how you got the information about the SSN, though.
>But, like I said, I see no evidence and find it not
>credible that this "real" Laura Terepin is also an op
>(in fact, there is evidence to the contrary).
>Why would she be?
this tends somewhat to strengthen the claims of this laura being OSA, or at
least otherwise not kosher.
rob
Rob Clark
>On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>: She is also, supposedly,
>:using a social security number that is only one number
>:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
>include a checksum digit?
it is *remotely* possible, but for two people, using the same name, to have such
a number, and for the second person using the name to claim having attended the
same university, while no records exist of the second person, is so outrageously
implausible as to preclude an honest explanation.
i'm not going to jump the gun yet, since i don't know where this social security
number information came from.
there is not a checksum in social security numbers, but some ranges have
meanings, such as the first three digits generally indicating geographical
location or special categories of SSNs.
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl17b.htm
has some details on this, though i haven't read it all and am
not sure of the provenance of the data.
rob
Rob Clark
>In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
>You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
>find that rather hard to believe.
i don't. the majority of usenet participants are lurkers who never post.
perhaps she never previously had any *reason* to post.
>Nick.
rob
William Barwell
Bob \"Da Sloth\" Bingham <sl...@KCInter.Net> wrote:
>Wait a minute....
>
>Are you saying that, when the CoS took over CAN, one of them changed her name
>to be the same as one of the old CAN people!?
>
>Flood Control wrote:
>>
>> PI investigation shows there are / were two "Laura Terepins."
>> The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
>> "Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
>> of stolen identity.
>
It appears quite possible something like this did indeed happen.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
William Barwell
In article <787ila$mt2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
<theothe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <1999012022...@spectre.ktb.net>,
> Flood Control <FloodC...@drac.host4u.net> wrote:
>> PI investigation shows there are / were two "Laura Terepins."
>> The one at CAN assumed the name "Laura Terepin" and worked for
>> "Department Twenty" of the Scientology business. It is a case
>> of stolen identity.
>
>Hi folks!
*********************** DELETED *********************
Hello the real Laura Terepin.
>
> friend to the cult back in the 80s. Her ex-husband (she
> divorced him to marry another scieno) has told me that she is
> quite high in the Chicago org these days. She knew me as that
> name (I've always hated it and had it legally changed). Also,
> when she got involved with Co$, she tried to get me to join too.
> I received two or three calls from the Chicago org before they
> gave up on me, so I know that that name is in a file drawer or
> database at the Chicago org. I simply feel it is too much a
> coincidence that this woman is wearing my name...perhaps she
> got it from my ex-friend, or perhaps this woman IS my
> ex-friend!
>
One thing you may wish to do at this point in time.
Contact the Social Security bureau and ask for a copy of your
records. Check to make sure that your records for the last few years
read as they should. That there is no funny business in your
records caused by somebody using your identity.
Sometimes, people assume identities to have a working identity
with a good working SS#. For example, if one does not "work"
one might want a false ID that can withstand scrutiny, lest
the mark wise up and find a way to see the SS records and find out who one
REALLY works for. I assume she gets paid by the PI like any other
employee. If she assumed the identity of a person living,
in this case you, it could very well be she wanted an ID
with a SS# attached to it that would withstand cursory scrutiny,
should somebody idly decide to check her out. An ID without
a working SS# is a big red flag. The problem is, sometimes
it screws up the real social security number owners records.
So it would be wise to make sure this has not happened.
Sometimes this happens and it takes quite awhile and a lot of
aggravation to get straightened out.
Especially if somebody assuming a SS# gets into legal
trouble. SS#'s are used as ID, though it is not really meant
for that, and once a SS# has been assumed, you might later
on find yourself accused of being the person with the shady past,
based on somebody using your number to keep their number clean.
A heads up to Social Security that you might have a
problem in this regard now, can make it easier to clear
up such nonsense later if the false LT happens to have
ever used your number.
There is no telling who this person is, and what she has been doing.
And what she may do in the future.
There seems to be info floating around that two SS#s are involved, but are
very similar. But I would not trust them not to have played
games with this.
Take care of yourself and make sure Social Security knows that
something funny is going on.
> I've been trying to find the picture Bob said he posted on
> the binaries group, but I have yet to locate it. I'm VERY
> curious whether he pulled a picture of me off my website,
> whether the picture is of my ex-friend, or what the deal is.
> If anyone has a copy of what he posted, I'd sure appreciate
> it if someone would email it to me.
>
> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
> over....
>
> I've seen recent post that claims this woman will post a
> message of her own soon. I sure hope she does! I'm *very*
> curious to hear from the person who is either my long-lost
> cousin or the person who apparently stole my name.
>
> the other laura terepin
I would be very interested in this too.
And just who this person, the faux Laura really is.
I doubt she will come to the net and try to explain herself.
Take care, I hope she has not caused you more trouble still
to hit by assuming your name and who knows what else.
William Barwell
Zenon Panoussis <ora...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
>Deana Marie Holmes skrev:
>>
>
>> I have a question.
>>
>> How do we know this isn't an op?
>>
>> I mean, we haven't seen this Laura's birth certificat with her maiden
>> name, or anything. It could be some random Laura or even a fake out
>> there, trolling the newsgroup.
>>
>> C'mon, people, let's use some common sense here!
>
>
>There are nn postings of yours in the Laura threads in
>which you doubt that Laura was an op and ask for evidence
>that proves her guilt. Now you make an entrance in the
>OtherLaura thread by claiming she might be an op and
>- practically - asking for evidence that proves her
>innocence.
Snigger! Zing!
Good one Zenon!
William Barwell
Rebecca Hartong <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>Keith Henson wrote in message ...
>
>[re the "real Laura Terepin"]
>>I certainly can't think of any reason. Her being a reader of
>>ARS and coming out of the woodwork in response to Bob's posting
>>must have been a shock somewhere.
>
>
>I find it to be an AMAZING coincidence.
Hardly. The real Laura started getting phone calls
after Jesse and Bob outed the OSA op.
Naturally she is going to want to know, "What the hell....?"
And as she has seen loved ones sucked into the cult, she is not unaware of
what they are about.
If indeed they did snitch her name and ID for an op, it is not amazing at
all that as it comes out, and she starts getting calls, that she decides
to get involved.
Nothing amazing at all about it.
Except to one of our resident supersceptic sneer purveyors.
>
>>I still consider it possible that someone would have exactly the same
>>exceedingly unusual name and a SS# one digit off, and there to be a
>>connection through scn where the name could have traveled. But assuming
>>the SS# is correct, this is getting to be a mathematical possibility, not
>>a real life one.
>
>
>I'd like to know how colette happens to know the "fake Laura Terepin's"
>social security number.
Maybe is you ask, real real nice......
William Barwell
David Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>
>: She is also, supposedly,
>:using a social security number that is only one number
>:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>
>
>Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
>include a checksum digit?
>
More than a few numbers have ended up being assigned to several people,
sometimes with similar names, causing all sorts of problems.
Bernie
wrote:
>If there's no record of the CAN/Factnet Laura at NWU how do you know
>there's only one digit difference in the SSAN's??
That's something I would like to know too.
Bernie
>Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
>I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
>say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
>from what I understand, claims to have attended
>Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
>up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
>last 7 years (that's how far back my university
>directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
>using a social security number that is only one number
>off from the "real" Laura Terepin. Both of those things,
>shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
>that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
Yes, but they would only be proof that she stole the identity. They
wouldn't be evidence/proof that she is an OSA op. Only indication that
something is fishy and that she might be.
Ron Newman
har...@telusplanet.net (Harry A. Demidavicius) writes:
>
>Dave - Apology accepted; thank you. As a number of my rfc friends
>remarked, you must have caught me on "pms" day, but I immediately
>recalled being [unknowingly to him], patronized by a nice American
>gent, who said "Aw Shucks, Harry - we consider *you people* to be just
>like *us". He meant well. He was urbane & well educated. He just
>thought he was paying me & Canadians in general, a great compliment.
>ie "we" were like "him", an "American"- so that has to be good. Maybe.
>But *we* are NOT! We are just overwhelmed by your numbers as compared
>to ours.
>So, Dave; you caught me on a bad hair day - I would otherwise just
>flipped on the message, but then I realized later - you meant no
>"mean" - so let's back up & not go here anymore. No insult to you, but
>not many Canadians are "wannabee" Americans. We aren't,[eh?]
>It may surprise you that we feel fortunate in being your neighbours -
>we get the best of your "world" while avoiding most of the "bad"
>things.
>Friends!
>Harry Demidavicius
>Who is [almost] sorry about the rant.
>Who is also glad about your "K". They *are* a 'Martha Stewart' thing.
ever notice that about 90% of canadians live within range of U.S. tv stations.
since you want to avoid the bad things, why watch our tv. i do admit to
watching canadian tv in seattle. only sane way to watch the olympics, too.
Alan
The difference between being diplomatic and undiplomatic is the difference
between saying "when I look at you, time stands still", and saying "your face
would stop a clock". Anon
Remove "FinnFan" to send mail.
William Barwell
>In article <hudF60...@netcom.com> h...@netcom.com (Hud Nordin) writes:
>>In article <78br4o$6l8$5...@youknow.apana.org.au> f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) writes:
>>>: She is also, supposedly,
>>>:using a social security number that is only one number
>>>:off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>>>
>>>include a checksum digit?
>>
>
>[Following up on myself.]
>
>This URL will take one to an unofficial description of the fields in a
>US SSN, what values are valid, and how they are generated:
>http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/privacy/ssn/ssn.structure.html
>
>The two SSNs that differ by one digit should be examined in the light
>shed by this document.
>--
>Hud Nordin <h...@netcom.com> Silicon Valley
Of course, we do not know that there are really two SS#s. One muight be
real, (the real Laura's SS#), and the other might be a fake one simply
used on documents by our plant. It may not be a valid, real SS# at all,
only the Social Security Bureau would be able to settle that.
If the plant used a fake number, in a fake ID scam, might possibly be
some legal problems for her. Depending on where and why she did so.
William Barwell
Keith Henson <hkhe...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>: Hi, this is an awkward situation but I am afraid your ex-friend
>: is the one solely responsible for it. I will try not to make
>: things worse by remembering to call this bitch "the woman who
>: falsely assumed the name Laura Terrepin." That she maliciously
>: assumed the fairly unique name of a real person gives me even
>: further grounds to suspect her motives.
>
>Dave, NOT ESTABLISHED AS FACT. Yet. CAN's LT could turn out to be using
>her real name. Name colisions do occur. All that it would take to prove
>this is (for example) finding her name and picture in the high school
>yearbook from where she went to school as a kid. It will be very, very
>interesting to see if CAN's "Laura Terepin" is able to supply this minor
>piece of background information to Cynthea Kisser or others of the people
>who tend to support her.
>
>She certainly could, but I would guess she will not.
I am willing to bet money that the plant is not really named Terepin.
That she did not attend the schools she said she did. That this
second ss# turns out to be fake.
That she will not be meeting with Kisser, posting to thr net, or anything
else outside of a court room.
The question is, who is she? Really, I mean.
Rebecca Hartong
Mike O'Connor wrote in message ...
[re the sudden appearance of another "Laura Terepin"]
>> I find it to be an AMAZING coincidence.
>
>It's Deja Vu all over again! Remember "LaVenda"?
Indeed, I do!
William Barwell
Nick Andrew <ni...@zeta.org.au> wrote:
>In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>>discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
>>course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
>>three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
>>out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
>>cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
>>fascinated ever since.
>
>find that rather hard to believe.
>
No, there are lots of posts over teh years from people who pop up and
delurk for one post and are never heard from again, yet have been long
time readers of ARS. I am sure many lurk on and off and do not post.
Occasionally some of us get mail from these people.
Usually along the lines of:
"Hi, I have been reading your posts on ARS for two years now. I usually
don't post because others say what I would post better than i. I have a
question about something you posted though....."
Yes, long time lurkers are out there.
James J. Lippard
colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
>I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
>say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
>from what I understand, claims to have attended
Source?
>Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
>up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
>last 7 years (that's how far back my university
>directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
>using a social security number that is only one number
Source?
>off from the "real" Laura Terepin. Both of those things,
>shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
>that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
>
>But, like I said, I see no evidence and find it not
>credible that this "real" Laura Terepin is also an op
>(in fact, there is evidence to the contrary).
>Why would she be?
>
>--
>colette
>c...@nwu.edu
>http://www.ils.nwu.edu/~marine
--
Jim Lippard lippard@(primenet.com discord.org ediacara.org)
Phoenix, Arizona http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/
PGP Fingerprint: B130 7BE1 18C1 AA4C 4D51 388F 6E6D 2C7A 36D3 CB4F
Deana Marie Holmes
Barwell) wrote:
You guys are useless.
And I mean that in the very nicest of ways.
Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod Keller)
The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
mir...@xmission.com
James J. Lippard
>:using a social security number that is only one number
>
>
>Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
>include a checksum digit?
There's no checksum. The SSN is of the form
aaa-gg-ssss
aaa = area number, based on mailing address at time of application for
SSN. Indicates state or territory, in most cases. Some have been
used for other things, e.g., railroad workers under the Railroad
Retirement Act prior to 1963 (700-728), numbers issued to Vietnamese
refugees in California between 1975 and 1979 (568-30 through 568-58),
etc.
gg = group number, can sometimes indicate time issued
ssss = serial number
Martin Hunt
(I have the picture Bob posted to abs, and I can send it to
anybody who asks in email; I feel sure someone else has by now
sent one to this unfortunate victim of Bob's outing, so I won't
clutter up her in-box with it. This is deja vu all over again;
remember the last time a same-name came up on an ars outing?
Some people never learn from past mistakes. <sigh>)
In article <787ila$mt2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Hi folks!
>
> What a horror to log on to a.r.s the other morning and find
> my maiden name attached to a post that claimed I was a whore
> for Co$. Yup, I am the other Laura Terepin. I am the Laura
> Terepin you will find if you do a PeopleFinder search on the
> net, but I am NOT the woman named in Bob's post! As far as
> I am aware, my parents in MI and my elderly aunt in NY are the
> only Terepins in this country. My husband did his own netsearch
> when we began getting nutty calls at at home, and it became
> apparent that this woman has been using this name for quite a
> while, but I doubt that I have an unknown relative with the
> same name as me. If this is her real name, where is her family?
> The only Terepins that seem to exist are MY family--I don't
> find any others.
>
> This woman obviously exists, and people have met her personally.
> I have no knowledge about who she is or whether she is really
> a spy for the org or not. All I know is that this is my maiden
> name, and me and mine have been catching the grief that should
> be focused on her. I feel VERY violated over this situation,
> and formally request that those "outing" her understand that you
> are harming innocent people in the process.
>
> It could be a total fluke that this person is wearing my maiden
> name. However, I have a reason to wonder: I lost a very dear
> friend to the cult back in the 80s. Her ex-husband (she
> divorced him to marry another scieno) has told me that she is
> quite high in the Chicago org these days. She knew me as that
> name (I've always hated it and had it legally changed). Also,
> when she got involved with Co$, she tried to get me to join too.
> I received two or three calls from the Chicago org before they
> gave up on me, so I know that that name is in a file drawer or
> database at the Chicago org. I simply feel it is too much a
> coincidence that this woman is wearing my name...perhaps she
> got it from my ex-friend, or perhaps this woman IS my
> ex-friend!
>
> I've been trying to find the picture Bob said he posted on
> the binaries group, but I have yet to locate it. I'm VERY
> curious whether he pulled a picture of me off my website,
> whether the picture is of my ex-friend, or what the deal is.
> If anyone has a copy of what he posted, I'd sure appreciate
> it if someone would email it to me.
>
> My last request is this: *PLEASE* do not make the mistake of
> thinking that the Laura Terepin you will find on any People
> Finder on the net is the woman named in Bob's post. It is
> not--it's ME. Whomever this woman is, she's NOT me! PLEASE
> do not phone me or my family. We didn't receive any bogus
> calls yesterday, so I am very hopeful that this will all blow
> over....
>
> I've seen recent post that claims this woman will post a
> message of her own soon. I sure hope she does! I'm *very*
> curious to hear from the person who is either my long-lost
> cousin or the person who apparently stole my name.
>
> the other laura terepin
>
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
--
Cogito, ergo sum. Just the FAQs: http://scientologysucks.lron.com
"...you are replying to an off-topic forged message that was posted
by a 'bot. The person whose name appears in the From: header of that
message almost certainly did not post it. Many regulars on a.r.s.,
including me, have been victims of these forgeries.
This appears to be a CoS plot to discredit critics by associating us
with racist and pro-Nazi statements that we did not in fact make."
- Ron Newman
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Martin Hunt
theothe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>My husband took most of them and I was too upset to ask him
>about the gory details. The one he did tell me about was
>from some organization we've never had contact with claiming
>to need to verify my name and address "for their records."
Would that be FACTNet?
>The one I took was from a guy who called himself Jeffrey,
Jesse, maybe?
>asking whether I was the person "involved in that horrible
>cult." I told him that I wasn't and hung up. If the calls
>at home stop, perhaps my life will come back to normal again...
>
>laura
Here's wishing you luck; I appologize to you and your family for
this disgusting behaviour on behalf of some of the participants
on this newsgroup. They showed no manners, no thoughtfulness,
no consideration, and no respect for your privacy.
This isn't the first time this has happened, either; I wish
people using those web search engines after an outing would chill
out. Actually, the whole effort at outing people and digging into
supposed OSA agents is pretty disgusting; maybe everyone doing
such things should examine their behaviour in a little more
depth, and, if they feel they have to proceed, do so with
extreme caution.
I can hardly imagine why I'd feel the need to phone this woman
(who's phone numbers are those that Jesse posted in his expose
of the other Laura Terepin?), but I can imagine how I'd proceed
if I was compelled to do so: with courtesy, caution, and a polite
introduction to start. I guess some people no longer have room
for manners in their headlong rush to "destroy" Scientology...
Martin Hunt
Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi, this is an awkward situation but I am afraid your ex-friend
> is the one solely responsible for it. I will try not to make
> things worse by remembering to call this bitch "the woman who
> falsely assumed the name Laura Terrepin." That she maliciously
> assumed the fairly unique name of a real person gives me even
> further grounds to suspect her motives.
Which was yet to be proven.
You're jumping the gun, Dave.
Rebecca Hartong
William Barwell wrote in message <78d5sm$pst$1...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>...
>I am willing to bet money that the plant is not really named Terepin.
>That she did not attend the schools she said she did. That this
>second ss# turns out to be fake.
>
>That she will not be meeting with Kisser, posting to thr net, or anything
>else outside of a court room.
>
>The question is, who is she? Really, I mean.
I know!
I bet she's Dorian's daughter!!! Yeah! That's it!
Warrior
>In article <78avv2$4...@drn.newsguy.com>, Warrior <war...@entheta.net> wrote:
>>
>>It may *seem* like quite a lot to go through, but
>>I suspect your opinion is based upon your lack of
>>experience as a member of Scientology. Consider
>>that FACTNet, the original CAN, Bob Minton, Jesse
>>Prince, Stacy Young, Cynthia Kisser, Dan Leipold
>>and Larry Wollersheim are, in Scientology's book,
>>the cult's biggest enemies.
I can't stress this fact enough. A reading of Finance Series
5 will show you that Scientology would (per their own policy)
expend quite a bit of money and time to destroy their "enemies".
A study and understanding of Hubbard's "bean theory" (what to
spend money on) will explain the reasons why Scientology allocates
10% of its weekly budget towards legal expenses (which includes
PIs) and covert ops, etc.
In article <cdm-220199...@marine.ils.nwu.edu>, c...@nwu.edu wrote:
>
>I'm quite aware of what they are capable of. However, this would require them
>to have planted this NU Laura as an employee of NU *years* ago,
I have seen no evidence that the person who posted as
"theothe...@hotmail.com" works at Northwestern Univ. I only have
your word.
So, first things first. How do you know that the person who posted as
"theothe...@hotmail.com" works at Northwestern Univ? And how can I
verify your statement?
>just so that they could have her post saying "Hey, someone's using my name!"
>And, why *would* they?
How can I know if person posting as "theotherlaura_t" is even named Laura
Terepin?
It is just as reasonable to suspect that someone is posting as "laura_t" to
confuse the issue.
I note that "theothe...@hotmail.com" has never posted to *any* newsgroup
before posting to ARS the other day.
Are you saying that the Laura Terepin who lives on N Hamilton Ave in Chicago
works at Northwestern Univ. and that she is also the same as the person who
posted as "theotherlaura_t" ?
>All it does is lend credence to the theory that Bob's Laura is, in fact, OSA.
I'll decide what I think *after* I find out who "theotherlaura_t" actually is!
>You *are* aware that I was talking about the NU Laura, the one who claims
>someone's probably stolen her identity to spy on Bob, when I said *this* Laura
>is probably not an op.
Yes, I understood what you wrote.
>Could it be possible that you are, as they say, "violently agreeing with" me?
I am merely questioning.
>>I have no idea whether you were ever a member, but
>>if you had personally known some B1 staff as I did,
>>you would realize the lengths to which Scientology's
>>OSA will go to destroy a perceived enemy. Suggested
>>exercise if you would care to educate yourself further
>>is this: do a search for information on Paulette Cooper
>>and Operation Freakout; or read up on the ops run
>>against Gabe Cazares.
>I am aware of these cases. I know what they do. I just find it in-credible
>that they would have arranged for *this* Laura to be in place almost 10 years
>ago, just so that she could write a post today that lends credence to the
>notion that the "fake" Laura really *is* an OSA plant. It makes no sense.
Agreed. But why should I accept that the person who posted as "theotherlaura_t"
is the same as the Laura Terepin who works at Northwestern Univ.?
>I've been in communication with this "real" Laura. She is a fellow member of
>the staff here at Northwestern. I have verified through university sources
>that she is "real." I have looked at her web page (with pictures). She is the
>real deal.
What is the URL for her web page?
>Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal, I don't know yet. I
>haven't seen enough evidence to say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This
>"fake" Laura, from what I understand, claims to have attended Northwestern Law
>School for awhile, but records turn up no Terepins enrolled as students within
>at least the last 7 years (that's how far back my university directories go, at
>the moment). She is also, supposedly,using a social security number that is
>only one number off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
Amazing that you should know this. How do you know their Social Security
numbers? (especially the SS# of the Laura Terepin who worked for CAN ???)
>--
>colette
>c...@nwu.edu
Dave Bird
>In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>>I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
>>discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
>>course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
>>three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
>>out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
>>cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
>>fascinated ever since.
>
>You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
>find that rather hard to believe.
Why? LONG BEFORE THIS BUSINESS OF THE MOCK TERRAPIN STARTED,
it was the commonly received opinion that most newsgroups have
around a 10 to 1 "lurker-to-poster" ratio. And that many more
people may be afraid to post on a.r.s specifically because they
fear CofS harassment trying to get them fired from their jobs etc.
--
HAS ANYONE NOTICED that this "Mock Terrapin" shit and the Op against FactNet
just happens to coincide with SIX OSA AGENTS CAUGHT POSTING THE FORGE-SPAME?
/
_.._
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.-~'\__/'~-. St Hippo of Agustine in
: ./~~\. : the First Canine Chapel of Bob Dobbs' Dog
::: (.__.) ::: (Church of the SubGenius)
~~~~
Dave Bird
>: Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
>: I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
>: say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
>: from what I understand, claims to have attended
>: Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
>: up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
>: last 7 years (that's how far back my university
>: directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
>: off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>
>: shoud they prove to be true, are pretty damning evidence
>: that the "fake" Laura is an OSA op.
>
To my mind her spoofing the unusual real name AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
of a real person clearly shows that the whore, the Mock Terrapin, is
engaged in some underhand or possibly criminal activity.
This is clearly one major piece of evidence towards proving she is
what Bob claims she is; for circumstances (and Occam's razor) would
strongly suggest that activity is an OSA operation against Bob
and Jesse. But they, unlike Tom Klemesrud, are very well placed
with money and resources to fight back and expose the Op.
colette
]Sorry about that. Normally I do indicate that it was
]posted as well as mailed. I assure you that it was an
]oversight on my part. I apologize for the inconvenience
]I caused you by necessitating your double work. That
]was an honest error I shall try my best to not repeat.
'Sokay. Most people who've been around long enough
know, but everyone forgets sometimes.
colette
don't know what you're getting at. I think we
may be talking past each other. I'm just not
following what you're getting at or arguing for
or arguing against.
But, onward....
In article <36a94e88...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, lni...@ix.netcom.com
(BigBeard) wrote:
]On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:38:26 -0600, c...@nwu.edu (colette) wrote:
]>In article <36aa9c1b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, lni...@ix.netcom.com
]>(BigBeard) wrote:
]>You're talking to someone who's been reading ars
]>for a few years, and who had close friends who
]>got caught up in the cult. I also toss around the
]>word org, as do most critics. That does not make us
]>"ops".
]
]Didn't say it did.
But, you did seem to find her use of the term "org"
suspicious in some way. I fail to understand how, in
the context of ars, that would be suspicious. That's
all I'm saying.
]>]My "coincidence meter" is going off over this entire post.
]>
]>Of course it is! That's the point!
]>
]>*If* Bob and Jesse's Laura is a fake, it makes
]>complete sense that the C0$ might use the identity
]>of a real person that one of them once knew.
]
]But there has been NO, ZERO, ZIP evidence presented that the
]CAN/Factnet Laura is a fake. Only a coincidence of names and an
]immediate claim based on that coincidence of "identity theft".
That's why I used that handy "if" word. The point
is, *if* Bob's Laura is an op, using a fake identity,
then the coincidences in this "real" Laura's story
would appear to be a big red-flag, piece-of-the-puzzle
thing, and it would be no wonder that your coincidence
meter would be jangling. If, if, if.
]>It's convenient. Anyone does a cursory check on this
]>person and whaddya know, there's a Laura Terepin,
]>who has some association with Northwestern University,
]>and has a social security number that is only one
]>number off (must be a typo somewhere, right?). It
]>works for them.
]
]If there's no record of the CAN/Factnet Laura at NWU how do you know
]there's only one digit difference in the SSAN's?? And by what right
]are you privy to either SSAN anyway?
I *don't* have any firsthand knowledge of this.
This is just more rumor-flying that I caught in
the electronic ether. Might not be any truth to
it whatsoever.
]>I'm not saying any of that is true, but *if* it
]>were true, your coincidence meter would *have* to
]>go off!
]
]My coincidence meter went off without knowing any of this. And having
]you pop up to reinforce the assertions made with this SSAN is off by
]one digit info is pegging it even harder.
Pegging *what*? It might help if you would clarify
exactly what you're thinking and what you're
suspicious of.
]>If anything, I would think your coincidence meter
]>here might lead you to believe that maybe Bob and
]>Jesse aren't imagining this (note: in no way do I
]>condone *at all* the way either of them have gone
]>about "discussing" this matter, mind you).
]
]Or it could mean they are being redirected to a "fall-gal" because
]someone was getting to close to a real OSA plant. Mind you I'm not
]saying that's what's going on, but it fits the evidence just as well.
I just don't understand what you're saying here.
Why would OSA *try* to lend credence to the idea
that Bob's Laura was a plant? How does that
serve their interests in any way? Wouldn't it
be a lot better for them to have everyone thinking
it was all a big mistake, and that Bob's Laura was
just an innocent victim of the craziness and
paranoia of Bob and Jesse?
Why on earth would they set up this NU Laura, when
the existence of this NU Laura only lends credence
to Bob and Jesse's story?
The only way this NU Laura makes sense as an op
is if you posit that she is *Bob's* op to make us
all think that his CAN Laura was, indeed, an identity-
stealing OSA spy. And frankly, for many reasons,
I don't buy it.
]>Look, if nothing else, I can verify that this
]>new/real/innocent Laura is a bona fide real
]>person at Northwestern. I'm here. I can check
]>this stuff *really* easily. She checks out fine.
]>Her story now is consistent with what she told me
]>back in early December in e-mail.
]
]I believe you know the NWU Laura. I'd like to know how your getting
]this info on the CAN/Factnet Laura that supposedly doesn't show up in
]a PeopleFinder though.
Like I said, I have no firsthand knowledge of
anything other than the existence of this NU
Laura, the 3 e-mails I have from her, and what
I've seen on her web page. Everything else is
just speculation and rumor that people have been
tossing around in e-mail and on ars. I don't
know where the SSN and NU story originated. If
someone can verify this, speak up.
]>I have to ask you or whomever: If this Laura
]>were an op, what purpose would it serve? To
]>what end?
]
]To add to the invalidation of the CAN/Factnet Laura if she is in fact
]a "Fall Gal" to protect a real plant. (Again I'm not saying this is
]what's going on, put it's just as valid a hypothesis on the so called
]"data" presented so far.
Wait. Are you saying, there *is* an OSA plant near
Bob and Jesse, but it's not this Laura person, but
since Bob and Jesse think it is, OSA is building up
evidence that supports Bob and Jesse's theory, so
that this innocent CAN Laura will be ousted, and the
real plant will remain in place?
Is *that* the theory you're proposing as a possibility?
(That would explain why it seemed like we were talking
right past each other.)
]>If so, was Bob so paranoid that he travelled
]>back in time and planted this Laura at
]>Northwestern 10 years ago and posed her in
]>fake wedding photos to put up on a fake web
]>page?
]
]Never said such a thing. But it's interesting the NWU Laura also has a
]connection, even if indirectly through a "lost friend", with
]$cientology. And I know from hard, documented, evidence that the Cof$
]is not above deep plants in unlikely places.
Just how long has Bob been involved in fighting
the CO$? Are the Scienos psychic? They would
plant an employee at Northwestern University 10
years ago, just so that someday they could lend
credence to Bob Minton's story that yet another
woman with the same name was a spy, even when
she was not a spy? That doesn't make sense for
a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the
fact that it would mean Bob's Laura would *have*
to be OSA for them to have been able to orchestrate
this event 10 years ago!
There's a point at which reasonable paranoia
crosses over into the absurd. That, it would
seem to me, is over that line.
colette
Andrew) wrote:
]In <78a4et$tma$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> theothe...@hotmail.com writes:
]
]>I spent many hours and hours listening to my scieno friend
]>discuss the tech. She was trying to convince me to join, of
]>course. In addition, I have been reading this group for about
]>three years now, and have picked up alot of the lingo tossed
]>out around here. I was not aware of the true nature of this
]>cult until I did find a.r.s., and I'll admit I've been morbidly
]>fascinated ever since.
]
]You've been reading a.r.s. for 3 years, yet you've never posted. I
]find that rather hard to believe.
Don't. A *lot* of people lurk and never post. A *lot*.
I lurked here for almost that long before posting. There
are other groups I've read for longer that I've never
posted to. If everyone who read ars posted, it would be
100 times harder to read than it is with the current
forge-spam.
colette
wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) wrote:
]In article <78cbf7$2...@enews3.newsguy.com>,
]Rebecca Hartong <har...@erols.com> wrote:
]>I'd like to know how colette happens to know the "fake Laura Terepin's"
]>social security number.
]Maybe is you ask, real real nice......
I *don't* know. I only know what has been attributed
to the "fake" Laura by others. It's all rumor. I'm
just reporting the pieces of rumor I've heard, and
constructing plausible scenarios based on *ifs*. I've
said all along that it's all *ifs*.
The only thing I *know* is that I have 3 pieces of
e-mail from the "real" Laura, one of which predates
this controversy and is consistent with her initial
post, and that she is a bona-fide real person who works
here at Northwestern, and has worked here for a decade.
From where I stand, I find it extraordinarily unlikely
that this Laura, at Northwestern, is an op of any kind.
She's a person who's been following ars for a few years
because she lost a friend to Scientology, read her name
in this fiasco, e-mailed someone (Keith?) and posted.
colette
]In article <cdm-220199...@marine.ils.nwu.edu>, c...@nwu.edu wrote:
]>
]>I'm quite aware of what they are capable of. However, this would require them
]>to have planted this NU Laura as an employee of NU *years* ago,
]
]I have seen no evidence that the person who posted as
]"theothe...@hotmail.com" works at Northwestern Univ. I only have
]your word.
]
]So, first things first. How do you know that the person who posted as
]"theothe...@hotmail.com" works at Northwestern Univ? And how can I
]verify your statement?
I know this is the same person because I have e-mail
from her university account, under her real name,
verifying that it is her.
Verification is easy. Others have already noted that
it was posted from laura.anthro.nwu.edu. That's the
Anthropology Department of Northwestern. There are
ways of checking university directories remotely, but
I don't know how to do that. Others already have, so
maybe someone else can offer that info.
I also know you're a smart guy, so if you stop a moment
and think, Dejanews can be instructive here as well.
]>just so that they could have her post saying "Hey, someone's using my name!"
]>And, why *would* they?
]
]How can I know if person posting as "theotherlaura_t" is even named Laura
]Terepin?
]It is just as reasonable to suspect that someone is posting as "laura_t" to
]confuse the issue.
One thing I don't have any way of knowing for *sure*
about this Northwestern Laura is that her maiden name
really was Terepin. However, the address that shows
up for Laura Terepin in people.yahoo.com matches the
address listed for this person in this NU directory
I have on my desk (this one happens to be from '96).
As to the posting for confusion issue, it is possible
that she may be posting to confuse someone, but I can
tell you for sure that the person who posted *is* the
person who works for Northwestern's Anthropology Dept.
Those things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive,
although the latter makes the former highly unlikely,
in my opinion.
]I note that "theothe...@hotmail.com" has never posted to *any* newsgroup
]before posting to ARS the other day.
The machine laura.anthro.nwu.edu, however, has. Use
yer noggin', folks. There's more than one way to
search. Besides, *think* about it. The handle
"theotherlaura_t" was obviously specifically chosen
to address this current controversy. Why *would*
she go around posting to other newsgroups as
"theotherlaura_t"?
Skepticism is great, but let's at least be smart
about it.
]Are you saying that the Laura Terepin who lives on N Hamilton Ave in Chicago
]works at Northwestern Univ. and that she is also the same as the person who
]posted as "theotherlaura_t" ?
Yes. I don't know that that's a current address,
though. I have no idea about that.
]>I am aware of these cases. I know what they do. I just find it in-credible
]>that they would have arranged for *this* Laura to be in place almost 10 years
]>ago, just so that she could write a post today that lends credence to the
]>notion that the "fake" Laura really *is* an OSA plant. It makes no sense.
]
]Agreed. But why should I accept that the person who posted as "theotherlaura_t"
]is the same as the Laura Terepin who works at Northwestern Univ.?
You don't have to. You've heard what I have to say.
You have access to the same resources others have
used to find out some of this stuff for themselves.
You can choose to believe what I say, you can go try
to find out for yourself, or you can wait for more
evidence from other sources. *shrug* It's your
brain.
]>I've been in communication with this "real" Laura. She is a fellow member of
]>the staff here at Northwestern. I have verified through university sources
]>that she is "real." I have looked at her web page (with pictures). She
is the
]>real deal.
]
]What is the URL for her web page?
I'm not comfortable giving that (or her current name)
out, but you can easily find it for yourself. Took
me about 90 seconds. I'm really not trying to be
difficult here, but given that it's entirely possible
(and seems to *me*, probable) that she's a really
freaked-out, innocent victim, with reason to be
paranoid and skittish, and has no idea who's friend
and who's enemy until she has a chance to calm down
and think, I'd prefer to let her expose herself as
she chooses, instead of doing it myself. *Especially*
given the fact that you could find this stuff out for
yourself quite easily, as others have. I don't *have*
to feel weird about outing somebody if you do your
own investigation. I'm sorry.
I will say this about the web page, though. It's
*very* pro-therapy, which would be curious, at
minimum, for an op.
]Amazing that you should know this. How do you know their Social Security
]numbers? (especially the SS# of the Laura Terepin who worked for CAN ???)
As I've said to others, I *don't* have any first-
hand knowledge of this. This is strictly repeated
rumor territory.
colette
<da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
]To my mind her spoofing the unusual real name AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
]of a real person clearly shows that the whore, the Mock Terrapin, is
]engaged in some underhand or possibly criminal activity.
Only if it's really true, and there aren't really two
Laura Terepins with close SSN's. The latter certainly
seems unlikely.
]This is clearly one major piece of evidence towards proving she is
]what Bob claims she is;
It's not. It's a rumor. Please don't elevate it to
the status of evidence until it's been proven to be
true.
colette
Clark) wrote:
]as for the general information, i assume that you verified that personally with
]the "real" laura terepin at NWU. thank you. this is more useful information
]than days of minton playing hot-potato with his data.
Yes, I have e-mail from her, both before and after
this event, and I've done searches through university
stuff (directories, web pages, etc.), as well as
through outside sources (dejanews, people finders,
web pages, etc.), and the inside and outside sources
all "jive."
]i don't know how you got the information about the SSN, though.
Total rumor. I have absolutely no actual evidence
pertaining to Bob's Laura.
colette
J. Lippard) wrote:
]In article <cdm-220199...@marine.ils.nwu.edu>,
]colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
]>Whether Bob's Laura Terepin is or is not the real deal,
]>I don't know yet. I haven't seen enough evidence to
]>say for sure, but it sure looks bad. This "fake" Laura,
]>from what I understand, claims to have attended
]
]Source?
]
]>Northwestern Law School for awhile, but records turn
]>up no Terepins enrolled as students within at least the
]>last 7 years (that's how far back my university
]>directories go, at the moment). She is also, supposedly,
]>using a social security number that is only one number
]
]Source?
Rumor. That's all it is. The "real" Laura
says someone said it to her, and I dearly
wish that person would step forward. I'm just
reporting what people have told me. I'm not
saying you should accept it as proven truth, or
as solid evidence of anything. You absolutely
shouldn't. The only thing verifiably true (to
me) about the above is that I was told this
stuff, and I did check my university directories.
Warrior
>]Rebecca Hartong <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>]>I'd like to know how colette happens to know the "fake Laura Terepin's"
>]>social security number.
In article <cdm-230199...@marine.ils.nwu.edu>, c...@nwu.edu Colette
wrote:
>
>I *don't* know. I only know what has been attributed
>to the "fake" Laura by others. It's all rumor. I'm
>just reporting the pieces of rumor I've heard...
> <snip>
>
>--
>colette
>c...@nwu.edu
Colette:
Your post was the first I read about the supposed similarity of
Social Security numbers. Where did you hear it from?
Mark Styles
Marlene <mle...@missionx.com> wrote in article
<78419d$jbl$1...@news.xmission.com>...
> Those things that give most women fits,
> Are the things with mo-bile bits
> They are testicular
> Or are vehicular.
> Related to men, those sweet shits.
>
> --Marty
> [missionx = xmission]
>
(What is the old saying? Oh yeah--- I remember---
If it has tires or testicles sooner or later it's gonna give ya
trouble!)
Get a dog that will grumble and roar,
And a tom-cat to stay out till four-
A parrot to curse and drink,
And, what do you think?
You'll feel like you're married once more!!!!
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Captain Nerd
Hash: SHA1
In article <78br4o$6l8$5...@youknow.apana.org.au>, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David
Gerard) wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:46:14 -0600, colette <c...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>
> : She is also, supposedly,
> :using a social security number that is only one number
> :off from the "real" Laura Terepin.
>
>
> Is a one-digit-off SSN even possible? That is, does the American SSN
> include a checksum digit?
Social Security number failures happen all the time, and no,
there is no checksumming going on. As a personal identification
number, it fails. For those of us of a libertarian bent, that's
a good thing.
Cap.
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Ron Newman
> Colette:
>
> Your post was the first I read about the supposed similarity of
> Social Security numbers. Where did you hear it from?
I'd also like to know this....
--
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Deana Marie Holmes
Note: re-post of week old posting which seems to have disappeared.
Just to rake over the embers of this fire...
Marty wrote:
>
>We'll show them Greenpeace is a nut!
>We'll counter-sue its little butt
> For your false arrest
> You will be redressed
>The case will be open and shut.
>
>Hell, no! You can't pay me in bugs!
>You know those things give me the ughs.
> Dear Tiddy, honey
> Bugs are not money.
>As your friend I will just take hugs
>
>
>--Marty {A stay in jail has driven Tiddy a bit "buggy"}
>
In return for the kindness you've shown,
I'll give you a trip far from home,
But it sure seems to me,
That the one place bug free,
Must be the Iraq no-fly zone.
Tiddy.
>
colette
Sarah Balfour <sar...@iaxnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<77p66e$590$1...@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
> If we have to tell you again
> You shall be bent double in pain
> For we'll take a large knife
> To within an inch of your life
> And I'll feed my dog your remains!
>
> Crap I know, but it WAS written at 5am
>
> Ysabell (a.k.a Sarah)
Sarah----I'm afraid that won't do the trick---
His remains will make your dog sick!!!!
Instead of his life,
Let's just take your knife,
And just cut off his poor little dick!!!
Dave Bird
<780k5d$n84$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>My dog was embarrassing me
>By humping my Aunt Margaret's knee,
> But she said, "I don't mind
> The odd bump and grind,
>Uncle Joe, well he's impotent, see?
>
>-Rick
>
What you didn't know about the old lady;
She has an obsession quite shady
Though showing normality
She's into bestiality;
Your auntie is perverted, matie!
She has kicked out Joe, the old fart
Made him leave, go away and depart
Then searched for a mutt
And now she's got
A relationship with a saint bernard
-Martin
Dave Bird
Rebecca Hartong
colette wrote in message ...
>As I've said to others, I *don't* have any first-
>hand knowledge of this. This is strictly repeated
>rumor territory.
Ah... so you're simply gossiping.
I don't see how that's going to be terribly helpful.