Milk-toast harassment ethics gradient email sent to half a dozen XSO chat group people......and I got a copy, so I post this for the history books
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
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From: Old Timer <old_ti...@yahoo.com>
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In a message dated 12/10/2006 1:36:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
old_ti...@yahoo.com writes:
Dear Chuck,
I wanted to pass on my views and thoughts about something I have
experienced in reading XSO for quite sometime now. I am amazed at the
level of discontent at the church and the man you all once loved.
You found Scn and loved it, you got on the bridge and loved that too,
decided to join staff and found that was fun and loved that, moved up
the bridge to various points and loved that, moved up the org board or
joined the SO and loved that, got your ranks and promotions and put
your shoulder behind the wheel with the old man, helped him move the
cause forward, loved that, did something you should not have done, did
not like that so much but no one found out about it so you let it
slide, so your care level went down a bit and, ooops, "I did it
again", and "Hey, look a that, no one noticed it again, gota love
that". Not too long after you wind up in ethics due to some silly
thing that you did that someone else got all upset about, didn't
understand that, "Why me?". And on the slide goes on, all the way
to the decks or out the door. Now you sit there with your poor little
"Look at what they did to me" crap plastered all over the internet.
You know the tech. Trying to make less of it by accusing others of
changing it does not change what you did. You praise those who go out
and attack, those who talk about other people's overts, but also
those who do not have the guts to talk about their own overts. It is so
much easier to just sit there attempting, while miserably failing, to
destroy the old man's dream.
Remember the overt doeth speak loudly in accusation. One natters about
others when they have similar overts of their own, then again you know
that too (but you will never admit it because, if you do, you are no
loner a victim). Regardless of what you think or say now, you know you
screwed up or you would not be doing what you are doing right now.
Remember the old man trusted you to do your job. You all agreed to be
there. You failed and you turned into an attack dog on the church -
whether you are doing covertly or overtly doesn't really matter, you
know what you are doing.
I see all these opinions about the church and mgmt and what is
happening and how bad it all is, but your overts are just perpetuated -
all there is coming from this side of the fence is more natter and
entheta. Did anyone ever go get the real data and write a cram or KR?
That is the old man's handling, not another rock over the fence.
I now hear that someone is soliciting Walter to write his memoirs. The
man has been a rip off artist since he ever stepped foot in a Scn
organization. Come on guys, who is kidding who here?
Walter is a squirrel, period. I don't care how anyone justifies the
line that I heard for years "I love the tech and LRH, but I disagree
with the church and management". What a load of crap that is. Some of
you bought it hook, line and sinker. You know damn well what the old
man said about squirrels - he never condoned it - it's right in KSW.
So why are you making such a big deal out of the church stamping out
squirrels? Simple, you have to make yourself right and ally with anyone
that attacks the church.
I have not seen one constructive message, comment or offer to help to
correct these perceived "problems". It's all "Look at how they
are screwing up now". Back when you were on staff - when it was all
fun and you loved it - you would have whacked someone who has your
present viewpoint. You would have gone to the ends of the earth for the
old man and the church to protect it. How do you know they are screwing
up? Because of what Chuck is propagandizing on XSO, Clambake or a-r-s?
What does he know that he has seen for himself? Who are his sources,
other disgruntled, failed cases and individuals who refused to clean up
their acts?
I have had my share of disagreements but I have come to the conclusion
that I created my own problems. Nobody, other than you, is responsible
for what you have done and caused. Hard to swallow but deep inside you
know it is true.
There are people out there who are dedicated to cut your help flow to
the one thing that can save you, yet you are in agreement with this.
"No, I am not!" you say. Well, move three feet back of your head,
take a look at where you are, what you are doing in life and how your
actions are stopping the progress of Scn. Does it make feel better?
Hell, never mind Scn, what are you doing for your fellow man but
failing to help right now. What could you have achieved if you had just
cleaned up your overts and routed off staff properly and were now a
contributing Scientologist? Even if you did not want to continue with
Scn why attack it? There are people on the XSO board who are clueless
as to what really happens in the church and yet they pretend to be
experts even though they have not been around for up to three decades.
Now someone has been running, "Oh you poor hard done by little
humans, look what they did to you." They made you work long hours; they
made you do this and that, then this and then that. And they punished
you, and then look at you, it all got to be too much and then you have
to leave, poor little human."
But a good honest look would reveal that those "victims" were
either out-2D (or perverted), involved in financial irregularities,
failing missions, over product makers and the like. But fault-finding
has become a specialty nowadays - taking tiny bits of truth, building
exaggerated and/or distorted stories around them.
And so you now spend time leaning over the back fence tossing rocks at
those who are at least trying.
I have not held a set of cans in many years; have not done any church
service in many years. I have not been on staff for many years. I moved
on with my life and my many moves have disconnected me completely. I
really do not know exactly what is going on in the church today. All I
know is that the old man gave us a way out and he offered it to us and
it is up to us to take it or leave it.
I know a lot of the guys who were in senior mgmt when I was on staff
and they were good guys then and if they are still there then I guess
they are doing their jobs. We all know what the old man says about
overts and the cumulative effects of them. I do not recall him saying,
"It does not apply to senior mgmt". I have seen a lot of very big
fish fall in my Scn career, so I guess policy applies to them too.
And what about those people who have been taking advantage of ex-SO or
ex-Scn to push forward their own agenda by exploiting people like us?
Oh no, you don't have to read conspiracy books to figure that out. It
is an ancient trick to find defectors and use them against the group
you are trying to defeat. Draw your own conclusions, who is using who?
I support free speech and the freedom to express your grievances, but
who are you kidding when actually hiding behind false freedoms? If
someone attacks you its instantly labeled fair game, dirty tricks,
retaliation - you name it. On the other hand, when you do that to the
church or its staff members, you call it free speech, right? What's
wrong with this picture?
For instance, Chuck is on a roll about finding instances of violence.
Has anyone in here ever gotten upset with one of their juniors during
their staff career? I am not necessarily picking on Chuck but he is the
most radical of all ex-SO. He has nothing positive to say even though
he writes as if he's a moderate kind of guy, but he is spewing crap
day in and day out. He reminds me of someone when I knew when I was a
lot younger. That person always had something critical to say about
anyone or anything. He was a rather sour man. I found out many years
later (when I was already in Scientology) that he was fired from his
job because he was stealing people's mail. I am not saying Chuck has
been stealing mail, but the overt did speak loudly for that man I once
knew.
My advice is, get over it, get over yourselves cleaned up. Go listen
to LRH in RJ 30 (I still have it in my attic) or really re-read KSW.
See if that changes your viewpoint about life. If it doesn't then I
suggest you deserve all you have created for yourself including the
golden rod with your name on it. But quit blaming others for what you
have done. If you got busted for adultery, financial irregularities,
wasting funds, or whatever else you did, take your medicine as a
responsible adult.
You know in your hearts that you are on the wrong road and that those
who are leading people down this path deserve a label put on them.
Are you still planning to be doing this next lifetime too? Is this to
be the career of a bunch of no confront chicken shit traitors to the
old man's dream? Cause that's the bottom line - the cold hard truth
of the matter. You can spend the next billion helping as you agreed or
the next billion trying to keep men enslaved. Your choice. The old man
says the door is never completely closed, and you know it. It is not
the church keeping it shut - but you are.
I think the level of forgiveness would just about overwhelm anyone here
if they ever took that step back with a clean heart. I really think you
would be welcomed back with open arms and get a "VWD" and a
"great to see you back". But that is all way too much for your
confront level I'm sure.
If you made an about face and decided that Scn wasn't for you why are
you then so obsessed with incessant attacks on it?
It reminds of what the old man once said about such people, and I am
paraphrasing him, "They usually fight us with violence; they have got
to do something of magnitude. Scn is not in the business of injuring
people." He knew that he majority of people have good intentions. It
is our on transgressions that brought us to the state we are currently
in.
As I said I have been gone for many years. I was on staff for many
years. I know the drill. Still I have seen the slow deterioration in my
case shape as the years have moved on and I am not even building up
more overts by attacking the church or anyone in it. I am not currently
committing overts against it though at some point I too will have to
fess up for my past crap as I too left the group.
I am just upset that so many formerly loyal and able-bodied SO members
would turn on the man who, probably in every case, saved your lives. He
is still my friend and will be forever as I well remember the
blubbering mess that was me before I crossed his path and used his
tech.
So either help or get out of the way and leave it alone. There is
enough crap to handle without fighting our own. If you do not want to
do it, go be something else, but do not fight those who are trying to
better things for everyone else, regardless of what you currently
think.
Old Timer
LordXenuCruise
out for so long yet is still completely brain washed. The difference
between the church and critics in regard to free speech is the the
"Church" takes after their founder and lies constantly about everything
that matters
On Dec 10, 9:03 pm, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com>
wrote:
> I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
>
> I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
>
> I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
>
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> Subject: My views and thoughts
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> In a message dated 12/10/2006 1:36:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
> old_timer...@yahoo.com writes:Dear Chuck,
darkman
Wow, that was QUITE the blowjob...and by an "Old Timer," no less.
I'm all worn out.
darkman
Out_Of_The_Dark
I'm sure he's a legit in what he says but it does not matter whether
he's in or out. What matters is that he admitted he blew the church. So
Tell him that he needs to make up his mind about being a scientologist
or not; take his own advise first before judging others. Otherwise,
he's just a hypocrite. That's what I would say.
Out_Of_The_Dark
www.holysmoke.org
www.lermanet.com
www.factnet.org
www.xenu.net
thorazine shuffle
"LordXenuCruise" <LordXen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1165807386....@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>That really grasps at the old heart strings. It is sad that he has been
>out for so long yet is still completely brain washed. The difference
>between the church and critics in regard to free speech is the the
>"Church" takes after their founder and lies constantly about everything
>that matters
>snip
The thing is, he hasn't been out for so long. In fact, he's not out now.
LordXenuCruise
service in many years. I have not been on staff for many years. I moved
on with my life and my many moves have disconnected me completely. I
really do not know exactly what is going on in the church today. All I
know is that the old man gave us a way out and he offered it to us and
it is up to us to take it or leave it.
On Dec 10, 10:33 pm, "thorazine shuffle" <thorazineshuf...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "LordXenuCruise" <LordXenuCru...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1165807386....@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> >That really grasps at the old heart strings. It is sad that he has been
> >out for so long yet is still completely brain washed. The difference
> >between the church and critics in regard to free speech is the the
> >"Church" takes after their founder and lies constantly about everything
> >that matters
> >snipThe thing is, he hasn't been out for so long. In fact, he's not out now.
thorazine shuffle
>I have not held a set of cans in many years; have not done any church
> service in many years. I have not been on staff for many years. I moved
>
> on with my life and my many moves have disconnected me completely. I
> really do not know exactly what is going on in the church today. All I
> know is that the old man gave us a way out and he offered it to us and
> it is up to us to take it or leave it.
>
Dude?
Has it crossed your mind yet that he might just be lying?
Zinj
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, chuckb...@aol.com says...
> I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
>
> I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
>
> I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
Interesting, if totally predictable.
Interesting how much they're worried about Alan writing his
memoirs; interesting that 'Old Timer' can't seem to decide
whether he's writing an e-mail to you, or a broad publication to
a crowd (the XSO board?)
But, one thing he says I do agree with; everybody; *Everybody*,
wog, XSO, police agencies, staff, public and 'not interesteds'
should read 'Keeping Scientology Working' and read it while
taking *every* word as literal statement of policy.
And *then* judge Scientology.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
ace
and besmirch anyone who won't be under their control.
That is how the CMO and OSA excuse themselves for ripping away others
property and people.
Classic gestapo tactics.....falsely accuse someone then destroy them
and confiscate their property....
No wonder "Old Timer" is dead spiritually and wants us to be dead as he
is......poor bastard, just think he's doomed to come back and repeat
and betray his best friend LRH again and again - just as he has done
this lifetime.
If he loves LRH - god forbid he should hate him......
If he is truly repentent....I suggest he should write up his overts on
how he's ripped off LRH, Scio, Staff's , students and pc's.
Then write up his overts on how he's squirreled the ethics - tech - and
admin so bad he is dead....
A.
antisectes
> I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
>
> I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
>
> I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
>
>
>
> old_ti...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Dear Chuck,
>
> I wanted to pass on my views and thoughts about something I have
> experienced in reading XSO for quite sometime now. I am amazed at the
> level of discontent at the church and the man you all once loved.
This guy confuses Love, a word almost never used by hubbard, with ARC, a
way for scientologists to define what they consider a method of
controlling minds.
r
zeeorger
> I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
>
> I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
>
> I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2006 1:36:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> old_ti...@yahoo.com writes:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/0e24077216bd7c14
Nothing complicated about this msg, Chuck, its a hit piece.
There is no question that we (ex-so) at one time respected LRH
and supported the technology. But "old timer" is probably being
less than totally honest about who and what he is.
He is addressing your case (your overts on LRH, church management
and/or the Sea Org) and by implication "our" (ex-so) case as being out
ethics, while ignoring the real issues that should be adressed. Most
of
us on this forum are well aware of the Overt-Withhold phenomena ...
it is a waste of time (it is a "wrong item" as they say in
scientology).
The same is true for trying to raise the idea that "critics" are
"criminal"
or "squirrel" ... that too is a wrong item.
Whatever we as individuals may have run into in the past - injustice,
out ethics, out-tech, ... the end result has been we went on the
internet
to find out more and the outpoints we found are all established facts
that need to be addressed. The biggest out rud is:
- What are the real statistics of Scientology.
The CoS has yet to refute the data put forth by Kristy,
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/
If the CoS was honest, we would know the world wide number of
bodies in shop (on course or getting audited) for each and every
week in the last 20 years.
If the tech "worked" in the past, then why are the long term results
negative. 98% of the former St Hill staff got declared. Prove me
wrong - tell me the number of former St Hill staff and how many
got declared.
If the tech "worked" then how come nearly 50% of all Class XII are
either gone or declared.
This bring into question KSW #1, do we have the right technology?
Is scientology the right technology?
The answer has been some may be, but there are large swaths of
the tech that need to be burried.
> ...
> But a good honest look would reveal that those "victims" were
> either out-2D (or perverted), involved in financial irregularities,
> failing missions, over product makers and the like.
Bullshit!
Do you have the data to back that up, or is this some "standard"
line that gets feed to the scientology public on a regular basis to
explain an endless string of failures?
Just because I put a higher value on honesty and integrity and
truth does not make me a "victim" or a "criminal". It just means
that I no longer trust the integrity and "truth" put forth by otherwise
well intentioned church of scientology staff and members.
In fact it can be demonstarated that scientology places a higher
value on "communication" than it does on "reality" - which is a
bad bad mistake.
> ...
> I have not held a set of cans in many years; have not done any church
> service in many years. I have not been on staff for many years. I moved
> on with my life and my many moves have disconnected me completely. I
> really do not know exactly what is going on in the church today. All I
> know is that the old man gave us a way out and he offered it to us and
> it is up to us to take it or leave it.
Then you, old timer, are sadly clueless. Go see and examiner, its an
ARCX just to get the can and meter "just right" to say nothing of the
time it takes to be told you have an F/N.
> ...
> I know a lot of the guys who were in senior mgmt when I was on staff
> and they were good guys then and if they are still there then I guess
> they are doing their jobs. We all know what the old man says about
> overts and the cumulative effects of them. I do not recall him saying,
> "It does not apply to senior mgmt". I have seen a lot of very big
> fish fall in my Scn career, so I guess policy applies to them too.
Yes, the old man said a lot of things ...
The current cult of scientology is being run by the RTC with COB DM.
If LRH is God (Source instead of Founder), then DM is "the pope" ...
DM may not set policy, but he sure gets to *interpret* and *apply* it
_his_ way.
> And what about those people who have been taking advantage of ex-SO or
> ex-Scn to push forward their own agenda by exploiting people like us?
Exploiting people like you ??? Maybe you should look at the ways in
which the CoS exploiting its menbers.
> Oh no, you don't have to read conspiracy books to figure that out. It
> is an ancient trick to find defectors and use them against the group
> you are trying to defeat. Draw your own conclusions, who is using who?
> I support free speech and the freedom to express your grievances, but
> who are you kidding when actually hiding behind false freedoms? If
> someone attacks you its instantly labeled fair game, dirty tricks,
> retaliation - you name it. On the other hand, when you do that to the
> church or its staff members, you call it free speech, right? What's
> wrong with this picture?
Words! - show me the stats bud. If over 90% of those who have
tried scientology have quit, then might there not be something
wrong with "scientology" and not with those who tried but failed.
Just because Life Repair "works" does not mean that the OT
levels are right (as opposed to them just being LRH's "case").
> ....
> So either help or get out of the way and leave it alone. There is
> enough crap to handle without fighting our own. If you do not want to
> do it, go be something else, but do not fight those who are trying to
> better things for everyone else, regardless of what you currently
> think.
>
> Old Timer
Personally, I don't want a world run by Scientology "ethics". I
prefer
the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights - thank ye very much ...
(it may not be perfect either, but its better than scientology).
Anyway "old timer" has not been able to differentiate Scientology, from
LRH, the CoS, the Cult of Clams, Policy, Ethics ... its one big pile of
"theta" and everyone else is "entheta".
Sad, very Sad.
Z
zeeorger
Old timer is below confusion, ... delusion - a state of certainty that
wrong
is right. Comes from ingesting too many lies.
Z
barbz
your present viewpoint. You would have gone to the ends of the earth for
the old man and the church to protect it."
There's a problem right there.
--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Beckyboo
LordXenuCruise wrote:
> I have not held a set of cans in many years; have not done any church
> service in many years. I have not been on staff for many years. I moved
>
> on with my life and my many moves have disconnected me completely. I
> really do not know exactly what is going on in the church today. All I
> know is that the old man gave us a way out and he offered it to us and
> it is up to us to take it or leave it.
>
A way out of what, exactly? Do you really believe that it was up to you
to take it or leave it? Or was there way more to it than that?
You've not been on staff in many years but do you know others that are
still in Scientology?
You moved on with your life....did others...your friends while you were
in?
Would you know about your family or friends, if you were disconnected
completely?
Just curious.....
--
Becky
antisectes
ag good definition of our pet-cult, Zeeorger!
r
ladayla
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
>
> I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
>
> I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
>
>
> Return-Path: <old_ti...@yahoo.com>
> Received: from rly-yh06.mx.aol.com (rly-yh06.mail.aol.com
> [172.18.180.70]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id
> MAILINYH41-790457c53aa117; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:36:57 -0500
> Received: from rrr3-v1.mail.re1.yahoo.com (rrr3-v1.mail.re1.yahoo.com
> [66.196.101.145]) by rly-yh06.mx.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id
> MAILRELAYINYH62-790457c53aa117; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:36:26 -0500
> Received: (qmail 81407 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 17:31:53
> -0000
Anti, don't you have an archive going back for years? If so, would you
compare the headings
on this "Old Timer" post to the "Old Timer" messages that were posted
several years ago?
I'm curious if it is the same person. Thanks in advance.
la
Zinj
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, mor...@prodigy.net says...
>
> chuckbeatty77 @aol.com wrote:
> > I got this email today from an "Old Timer."
> >
> > I haven't figured it out, but it is not legitimate.
> >
> > I asked this person to please identify themselves. I doubt they will
> > identify themselves, since that would show to what degree OSA
> > wordsmiths are editing and helping this "Old Timer" have their say.
> >
> >
> > Return-Path: <old_ti...@yahoo.com>
> > Received: from rly-yh06.mx.aol.com (rly-yh06.mail.aol.com
> > [172.18.180.70]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id
> > MAILINYH41-790457c53aa117; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:36:57 -0500
> > Received: from rrr3-v1.mail.re1.yahoo.com (rrr3-v1.mail.re1.yahoo.com
> > [66.196.101.145]) by rly-yh06.mx.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id
> > MAILRELAYINYH62-790457c53aa117; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:36:26 -0500
> > Received: (qmail 81407 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 17:31:53
> > -0000
>
> Anti, don't you have an archive going back for years? If so, would you
> compare the headings
> on this "Old Timer" post to the "Old Timer" messages that were posted
> several years ago?
> I'm curious if it is the same person. Thanks in advance.
>
> la
Seems unlikely considering the nature of the earlier 'Old
Timer's' postings, but, Scientology is notable for relapses even
after escape.
BigBeard
"ladayla" <mor...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:1165857640.0...@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
The "Old Timer" from back when used an address of
'dmor...@cts.com', and also known called himself "Doc Morgan" in
some posts. Some of the discussion he involved himself in got,
ummm...., interesting. He pretty much disappeared from a.r.s.
back in the late 90's, and I always wondered if he had passed
away.
Maybe he switched to a Yahoo! account, but if so there are
definate stylistic differences from the older posts. And I find
it hard to believe the 'original' Old Timer would have posted
this without something to indicate this really was from him.
BigBeard
Katana ko chi, SPsoo
Out_Of_The_Dark
Thats funny about the memoirs because recently someone on ars asked
Alan to write them and since that time I have mentioned looking forward
to reading them when he get's to it ( hint hint) in a post or two-- as
I would love to read them, having been smack in the middle of all that
80's chaos in LA.
But, to my knowledge, Alan never mentioned he was actually writing any
memoir .
Or has he? Anyone know?
JustCallMeMary
ace
At this time I have no intention to write my memoirs.....to write
something like that I would like to be as accurate as possible.....and
as I was a nutty as a fruit cake during that period....that being the
prevailing mutual rudiment. : - )
It would be a huge undertaking, which would mean living in the past for
a fair period of time....Yuk!
The future looks infinitely brighter.....so I prefer to create it -
rather than re-create the past.
A.
Out_Of_The_Dark
A. Thanks for the reply. I truely know what you mean about the hugh
undertaking into all that past yuk ( I recently did this for myself
on a minor scale and it was yuk to say the least). That timeline on
the early 80's which you wrote about recently was quite sane and very
helpful in getting a better perspective of events within church
management as opposed to just reading or knowing what was occuring in
the field. So of course, I just had to ask if there would be more....
;)
I think the insanity plea could be used by players on both sides of the
game in those days; Miscavige, Hubbard along with Pat & Annie
Broeker........ a bunch in the field, too. Crazy times, crazy people.
( Da Ding....... oops.;)
It's just good to be alive and be able to laugh about it.
JustCallMeMary
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> Rip off artist - Squirrel - Standard OSA - CMO justification to destroy
> and besmirch anyone who won't be under their control.
>
> That is how the CMO and OSA excuse themselves for ripping away others
> property and people.
>
> Classic gestapo tactics.....falsely accuse someone then destroy them
> and confiscate their property....
>
> No wonder "Old Timer" is dead spiritually and wants us to be dead as he
> is......poor bastard, just think he's doomed to come back and repeat
> and betray his best friend LRH again and again - just as he has done
> this lifetime.
>
> If he loves LRH - god forbid he should hate him......
>
> If he is truly repentent....I suggest he should write up his overts on
> how he's ripped off LRH, Scio, Staff's , students and pc's.
>
> Then write up his overts on how he's squirreled the ethics - tech - and
> admin so bad he is dead....
>
> A.
>
>
Dear A,
thankyou very much.
This fake Old Timer, my educated guess it is a lady named Gloria Idda,
Gavino Idda's wife, who is the OSA Int staff responsible for monitoring
ARS, Clambake and now she has the added duty to monitor XSO chat site,
which you, A, are warmly invited to post at. (I just posted a post on
XSO with a link to your Bill Franks incident comments several days ago
about how Bill Franks made positive changes in response to you and
other Mission Holder's requests, and Bill was so incorrectly handled it
is not even funny, that incident was HUGE news to me, you sit on
mindblowing material, and THAT is the reason you are maligned by most
likely Gloria Idda, the OSA Int staffer, a foreign language person,
which explains some of her typo wording imperfections, but it's Gloria
most likely who is editing or feigning being Old Timer in this posted
thread, etc.).
You could open such a huge number of cans of worms, that Gloria will
for sure get in trouble. (I posted all my guesses on XSO, and asked
Gloria to please talk it over with her husband, Gavino Idda, and
hopefully the two of them will take this opportunity to blow OSA Int
staff, since now when she gets in trouble for being "outed," lower
conditions are now awaiting her in the next 48 hours once the news
travels up to RTC that she's been outed on XSO and now here on ARS.)
Ironically when OSA Int staff who are just trying to carry out LRH's
orders about isolating and neutralizing the "critics" who stifle
official Scientology's progress, when they counter with these type of
operations, it takes the group here on ARS and the other sites only a
day or two to fathom out what OSA operatives are seeking to cover up.
Well A, I hope the people now on XSO, where I posted your recent Bill
Franks incident post, I hope this stirs a few more memories from people
who were contemporaries back during late 1981, when those disgraceful
old mistakes were being made by CMO Int unfortunately.
Gloria Idda of OSA's job was to stop the opening of the 1981-82 can of
worms. Things will lead straight to DM's heavy-handed ethics gradients
actions, and he's the only "uncorrected" executive still standing, all
other participants of the 1981-83 bloodbath period are OUT of the
movement, or long since busted up and down the org board.
Many who are out, were they to get together, boy, that was my dream
once.
A Las Vegas convention of former church execs from the 1981-83 period,
plus all the Mission Holder bigshots still alive. That would be a
reunion!!!!
Alan, if you get on XSO, and post there, or if some XSO come here to
chat with you, that might just secure Gloria a couple weeks of lower
conditions, possibly get her removed from post for a decks cleanup, and
someone in RTC will then enlist someone like Bill Yaude out of
hibernation to come do duty here on ARS or XSO, somehow to quiet things
down again.
Thanks Alan. Here's the link to join XSO:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
Or if you are already joined, you can go to post there.
Best, Chuck Beatty