[OT] Terri Schiavo autopsy
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Autopsy showed Ms. Schiavo was brain-dead and far beyond any kind
of successful medical treatment. It also showed she had been
brain-dead for several years, as her brain mass was half what a
healthy human brain mass is.
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>Autopsy showed Ms. Schiavo was brain-dead and far beyond any kind
>of successful medical treatment.
Of course it did. Michael Schiavo's attorneys (one of which can "kill
with a thought") informed the public of the autopsy results months
before it was completed:
His lawyers have said an autopsy will show that Terri did not retain
enough brain matter to be conscious of her surroundings and that there
are no indications that she was ever physically abused.
(Quote source)
http://washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050401-100221-3720r.htm
Also see:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/felos_scientology_ot_viii_kill_with_a_thought.html
ida...@aol.com
and let this poor woman rest in peace.
I see no reason not to believe the results of the autopsy.
Ida Camburn
"For all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are those, "It might
have been!" John Greenleaf Whittier
Lisa Ruby
Hospice Patients Alliance Newsletter June 15, 2005
sent out periodically reporting about news affecting
hospice and end-of-life care.
Report on Autopsy of Terri Schiavo Released Today
Note from Ron Panzer:
The Report on the autopsy on Terri Schiavo was
released today. It confirmed that there was NO
evidence Terri Schiavo ever had an eating disorder.
It confirmed that she NEVER had a heart attack.
It confirmed that the potassium levels she had
at the time of her "collapse" could be explained
by other causes, especially the fluid given and
other interventions at the time of her rescue by
emergency medical technicians.
It removed the explanation held onto by the major
media for Terri's collapse, and raises the question:
WHY did Terri collapse in the first place, what caused
her to have that brain injury? There is NO official explanation as to
why she collapsed, and yet that is
the huge question just sitting there, waiting for
them to ask and answer.
The autopsy confirmed she had major brain injury
and also had damage to the centers that control
eyesight. The question arises: if Terri had such
poor eyesight, why would a neurologist use visual
tests to determine her mental capacity?(such as
tracking a balloon, or following him as he walked
this way or that?)
The autopsy has done more to bolster the position
of Terri's real family, her sister, brother and
parents, than anything else.
Yet, the major media's "take" on the autopsy? They
simply state that the autopsy confirmed she had
major irreversible brain injury (which was never in
question) and use that fact to imply that the
killing of Terri Schiavo was justified because
of her brain injury.
The media have NOT admitted that virtually every
story they put out about Terri contained false
ideas or theories about her, such as she never
had the heart attack, never had an eating disorder,
never had a potassium level low enough to explain her collapse. The
media has NO interest in investigating
why she collapsed, and NO interest in asking if it's
"OK" to kill people simply because they are disabled.
Yet, that is exactly what happened here. -- Ron Panzer]
The report is posted at the Hospice Patients Alliance
website for your convenience at:
http://www.hospicepatients.org/06-13-05-terri-schiavo-autopsy-report-and-support
ing-documents.pdf
also see the media spin at:
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050615/APN/506150800&
cachetime=3&template=dateline
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Lisa Ruby
It [the autopsy] confirmed that she NEVER had a heart attack.
See Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies
http://libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schindler_schiavo_cardiac_arrest_lie.html
Vivaldi rocks!
An autopsy report can be not doctored. Fact is that the spiritual being
(the thetan, the soul) is the person, not the brain. The brain is just
part of the body.
We know of people who were clinically dead for a while and then came
back. They all told that they saw and heard everything that was going
on around them and what they were thinking about their dead body and
what feelings they had.
It was not different with Terri. I agree that most people would not
want to live in the condition Terri was, but we don't know if she was
willing to be disconnected through death from the love of her family.
As doctors fail to properly recognize the spiritial being and rather
are fixed on the brain, they did not reach Terri. I am convinced that
it would have been possible to communicate with Terri and find out if
she wants to live or not. It still was murder to cut her feeding tube
off.
You can be certain that she got the spectacle around the removal of
feeding tube, that her husband wanted her dead, that she had to die in
HIS arms and that she was tortured with as she knew she was slowly
"sentenced" to death.
Barbara Schwarz
noone
about this case and also took wrong desicions as starving her to death,
they could've done euthanasia instead (which I know is illegal there in
America) but it would've been a quicker and painless death though she
already didn't have 'feel' in her body, as her brain was severely
damaged (as far as I can remember).
I too believe in spiritual things and the paranormal, a lot can be
answered on a different level and not necessarily with just the eyes
alone but beyond. So, I thought her death was very inhuman and unloving.
LLL
But it was the only way to let her go, fortunately or unfortunately,
Fortunately she wasso brain damaged I highly doubt that shefelt a thing.
Ready
felt a thing. Like others have mentioned, it would have been better if
she'd been able to leave directives for having lethal injection or
something like that. But in this country, it's illegal. You have to
suffer in silence. I'm unsure about souls or other such things. When
a person is brain dead, they're dead. Some people recover their
heartbeat after clinically being dead i.e. their heart stopped beating.
But once the brain goes, that's it.
BABBLIN' BARBARA SCHWARZ IS UNDER A NEW INVESTIGATION
Schwarz is prof she is a very very sick, mentally deranged woman, who
was formerly incarcerated in a Utah psychiatric hospital.
This psycho claims her apartment building at 335 East Broadway, Apt.
401, Salt Lake City,Utah 84111 is protected around-the-clock by Secret
Service agents because she is the granddaughter of former U.S.
president Dwight D. Eisenhower (the Eisenhower family has dismissed her
as a nutcase). It is also a well-known fact that the U.S. Secret
Services does not provide services to the grandchildren of dead
Presidents.
She is nobody on her own and also stole the identity of Miss Verily
Ugly
(michelle.miscav...@scientology.org). I believe there is something
like
the extraterrestial Mafia and Schwarz belongs it it. She would sell her
imaginary grandmother to be like me. Schwarz persecutes me from thread
to thread to thread to thread to thread to thread often using my name
as identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults me, threatens me
, makes googly eyes at me, harasses me, sexually harasses me,
psychologically harasses me, emotionally harasses me, laughingly
harasses me, uses the toilet harasses me, picks his nose harasses me,
tries to intimidate me, libels, slanders, lies and lies about me.
Barbara Schwarz lies that she never spent 5 years locked up in a
psychiatric ward in the Utah State Hospital in Provo, Utah, under the
care of many doctors and psychiatrists. I never was in that hospital,
because it is well-known as a mental asylum for the criminally insane,
not just a hospital. It is also striking that especially the worst and
most lawless cows, as Schwarz promote junk science and psychiatry.
Cetus
<BarbaraSc...@excite.com> spewed this up:
Babs, did you run out of new material?
Remember, the body is just meat. Her thetan will be reimplanted on
Mars and you $cios will get another shot at her. Right? Right.
Brittany
Suicide newsgroup. You guys do not know what Terri felt. I dont care for
this autopsy bullshit theroy... for god knows Probably the medical
examinator knew Michael or made secret blood money book deals behind peoples
back if they would clear his name for being a self centered asshole!
It's funny how states treat inmates who commited murder crimes with better
care then they did to this innocent woman who didn't do a damn thing but to
have an unfortunate accident which left her brain DAMGE, not DEAD as of some
of you guys still have your faces up to the media who don't know a damn
thing about what they are talking about, other than what they heard of.
Please educate yourselfs by going to google and doing a bit more reseach
about brain damage and brain dead. its clearly stated that terri was able to
move her eyes and head.
Anyhow I had enough.... I wonder why they didn't do the same shit with that
lying prick of a Christopher reeves who im glad is dead now because he
didn't give too shits about disabled people until he became disabled
himself... he didn't even bother creating this kind of program until he was
too stupid by falling off of his horse. anyhow... just check this out
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve maybe you can
understand better :)
Brittany
"Ready" <worlds...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118963477.8...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
wcb
> Some of you guys are really sick.... I guess this is ok since this is a
> Pro Suicide newsgroup. You guys do not know what Terri felt. I dont care
> for this autopsy bullshit theroy... for god knows Probably the medical
> examinator knew Michael or made secret blood money book deals behind
> peoples back if they would clear his name for being a self centered
> asshole!
You seem to be damaged.
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Derrick
monks or those in deep meditation, the effect can be seen in the brain.
It is all in the brain. Even in the chakras or third eye, has a place
in the brain. If you have no brain you are dead, the human body is
worth about $10.
That aside her family is indeed selfish. I would be throughly pissed if
my liberty was violated, and my will disrespected, even if her husband
wanted her dead, he was correct for the wrong motivation/reason. She
died years ago, and her selfish family kept her imprisoned for their
own reasons. Liberty should always prevail, this is why everyone should
have a living will.
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Derrick
www.GlobalDolor.com
Pro-Choice, Libertarian-Humanist, forum for the suicidal,
self-injurers, depressed and generally dolorous
Doug
Derrick wrote:
> Sorry, the brain defines us.
John Holmes was never defined by his brain.
Well, maybe with what he thought with but not his brain.
> Look at the what happens to the minds of
> monks or those in deep meditation, the effect can be seen
> in the brain. It is all in the brain. Even in the chakras or
> third eye, has a place in the brain. If you have no brain
> you are dead, the human body is worth about $10.
Some human bodies are hardly worth $10 and others get the
Big Bucks.
I don't think Ebay has a catagory for human bodies so I am
not sure what the "going rate" for dead bodies actually
might be.
> That aside her family is indeed selfish.
Her family?
> I would be throughly pissed if my liberty was violated, and
> my will disrespected, even if her husband wanted her dead,
> he was correct for the wrong motivation/reason.
So if we use the wrong reasons, we can be correct?
> She died years ago, and her selfish family kept
> her imprisoned for their own reasons. Liberty should
> always prevail, this is why everyone should have a
> living will.
If she died years ago, her husband did nothing then. But
you said he did something for the wrong reasons.
Make up you mind and let us know what really happened, OK?
Did her husband kill her soul or did that die years ago too?
Or is her soul yet dead? Or do you believe she never had a
soul of her own to begin with?
I know, I know, tough questions this early in the morning
huh? Better have two cups of java before taking them on.
How come you are cross-posting anyway?
Doug
Meifumado
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Meifumado
Of all the newsgroups in the world, I had to walk in this one! tried to
be a smartarse and wrote:
> Wrong.
It's only modern medical science that keeps brain dead people alive.
Once the hind brain goes there's no way the body can function for
itself... Transpiration must be performed by a respirator; food must be
ingested intra-veinously; even urination and defication must be made
possible by catheterising the person.
If it were not that these things were available, Ready would be totally
correct instead of mostly - It would be the end for any person on their
brain giving out.
It's not as if it's going to heal up or find a way to circumvent the
damage and for fucking sure they're not going to be able to transplant
another "fresh" one. I doubt they'll ever be able to do that, at least
not in my lifetime.
I personally don't see the point in keeping brain dead people alive for
years and years. I know for sure that I wouldn't want to have myself
perpetuated in a vegetative state with no hope of recovery, living no
more sentient and self aware than an amoeba or cauliflower.
Not even able to dream. Shit.
I couldn't even enjoy all the drugs they'd be pumping into my body.
Since the car wreck I carry a card in my wallet that states that I do
not wish to be resus'd if my injuries are of a certain nature or it's
likely that I have received substantial brain damage. It'd be shite not
having all my faculties - especially if I knew what I was like before.
I'm too god damn handsome and intelligent to live as a crippled retard
(aquired).
ho ho
Pete
Meifumado
Brittany wrote:
> Some of you guys are really sick.... I guess this is ok since this is a Pro
> Suicide newsgroup.
Hey Brittany, ARS is not in anyway related to any suicide newsgroups
except that Barbara Schwartz started crossposting and lead them all
here.
Also, ASH isn't sold as a Pro Suicide NG. It's Pro Choice...
We respect the individual's right to CHOOSE to die.
Some people tout it as respecting the individual's right to die but
everyone has that already. Else there'd be no death if it was against
the law...
(Whether they purposefully leave out the choice through bad eloqution,
lack of understanding, parrot copying the "slogan" or whatever - I
don't know)
We'd have outlaw organisations set up to sneak people into the
crematoriums and a black market for terminating existance. Kinda like
the counterpoint to Logan's Run. That'd be a pretty good plot idea for
a short sci-fi story. I'll remember that...
There's a big difference between Pro Suicide, Pro Choice and Right to
Die.
Adios Muchacho,
Pete
Jet
<Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
> David Rice, Esq. wrote:
> >Autopsy showed Ms. Schiavo was brain-dead and far beyond any kind
> >of successful medical treatment.
> Of course it did. Michael Schiavo's attorneys (one of which can "kill
> with a thought") informed the public of the autopsy results months
> before it was completed:
>
> His lawyers have said an autopsy will show that Terri did not retain
> enough brain matter to be conscious of her surroundings and that there
> are no indications that she was ever physically abused.
Wow: her doctors really were right, and her spouse and her
spouse's lawyer believed her doctor. Who wudda thought?!
ida...@aol.com
news, it will continue. Her husband still has a few dollars he has not
had to spend in court -could that be the reason?
When this very sad story was aired throught the world, I asked several
friends if in the same situation they would want to be kept alive. Not
only that have your debilitated self flashed around the world day after
day. Not one wanted to remain in a 'vegetable' state and would want a
peaceful and un-hindered death.
Out of this horror played out ( some say to bring in more votes from
the religious right)-one good thing happened. Many people around the
country have made sure to have a living will which explains exactly
what one wants at time
of near death. A reminder that all papers should be up-dated every
seven years.
Ida Camburn
"The most dangerous thing in the world are immense accumulations of
human beings who are manipulated by only a few heads." Carl Jung from
his Collected Works
Lisa Ruby
hundreds of thousands of links on the
internet dead by removing the
terrisfight.org website from the net.
The explanation for this is as follows:
"This site is undergoing reconstruction.
The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
will be launching a new educational site
very soon. Please check back"
It is unnecessary to remove links
to valuable information in order
to revamp a website. Removing
documentation simply makes
it that much easier for
others to rewrite history as it
pertains to Terri's
case.
There are still some links on
terrisfight.org that work.
Attorney Barbara Weller's Declaration
that Terri wanted to live is still there.
http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/032505weller.htm
At this writing Suzanne Vitadamo's
Declaration that Terri Wanted to Live has
been REMOVED from terrisfight.org:
http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/032505vitadamo.htm
You may read Suzanne's Declaration that
her sister wanted to live on my site
as well as on other places on the net:
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/suzanne_vitadamo_declaration.html