Parent of a Sea Org Member
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[COSinvestigations] Parent of a Sea Org Member
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As the parent of a Sea Org. member I am deeply concerned about
the direction the church is going in. I am also very frustrated. If
I overtly oppose Church management I will not be able to communicate
with my child. I believe many caring Scientologists are in similar
circumstances.
Well, the very least I can do is to post some news about what is
currently happening within the Orgs. First of all, I have noticed
that the `deadfile' policies are really being used. The
least little
bit of criticism in written form will cause you to be deadfiled. This
is creating a lot of silence because many people have kids in the
Sea Org. If you are deadfiled you won't be able to communicate
to your son or daughter! Essentially, all your written communication
is thrown in the trash. Also, I have heard that those policies are
now being extended to KRs. So, if you write a KR that in any
way criticizes or questions the status quo you are in danger of being
deadfiled.
For the last few years quite a few Sea Org. members have been
trained to do `roll back'. The theory behind this is that
if stats
are down it is because there is black PR in the field. If it is found
that someone doesn't like the Golden Age of Tech. or is reported
to be disaffected or something or even says he doesn't like a film
he may be called in to ethics, given a metered interview and
`rolled
back'. What is this? The `black PR' or enemy line is
mentioned
to the person and then he is asked who he heard that from. As
an example, the interviewer will ask: "Who told you that David
Miscavige has homosexual tendencies?" The question is repeated
until you give the interviewer a name or names of people who are
spreading this black PR. If you don't come up with a name,
in other words, rat on one of your friends, you are at risk of
being considered the originator of black PR yourself. Because
this is not considered auditing, no approval from the Case
Supervisor is gotten. Also, barely trained people who have
had very little auditing are doing these interviews on people
who are higher up in terms of auditing and training.
Currently, there is a special Sea Org. mission that is doing roll
backs
in the Los Angeles area. It is being headed up by Lisa Hamilton,
the Dir. of Inspections and Reports for the Western U.S. This is
an investigative type post.
If you have some disagreement with the Golden Age of Tech. and
you are fool hardy enough to write it up, you have an excellent
chance of having heavy justice actions taken on you and if you
don't
back peddle quickly and vociferously you stand a very good chance
of being kicked out of the Church. Some very respected long term
tech. terminals have been kicked out. One is Chris Montgomery.
She was the Briefing Course Supervisor for many years and was
well loved. I think she went in and did the steps to get herself back
into good standing. In other words, she took some responsibility but
then chickened out later. It must have been too hard for her to face
disconnection from friends and family. I have heard that the head
of the Auditor's Association recently came very close to being
declared for speaking out about the Golden Age of Tech. She
then realized that she would probably get declared, so she wrote
something up saying she was sorry and that she just had heavy
Service Facs keyed in or something. In other words, she `made
ethics change' (or pretended to). Taking into consideration the
fact that many of the Ethics staff members are very young, when
an older Scientologist who is trained and experienced does a
phoney ethics condition to stay in good standing and pretends
to be happy about it, it validates the misapplication of ethics.
It makes it look like people are really having wins from
compromising their own realities. Don't forget, many of these
young Sea Org. members have little or no tech. training.
This heavy ethics line is also being used to get in money.
Let's say someone on course writes a KR that is critical of
the Golden Age or Tech. They get sent to Ethics. If they
don't back down completely they get into some justice cycle
and they are ordered to be Sec. Checked at their own expense.
This has happened. Eventually they cognite that they have to
pretend to come to the realization of how wrong they've been
and use their ARC X needle (an ARC X needle looks exactly
like a floating needle) by pretending it is a floating needle,
smile and voice how much better they feel. I have heard that they
don't even fly rudiments now before they do Security Checks. I
don't
know what happens to the person's case from these handlings.
Anyway, because they utlimately realize that unless they get
with the program they'll be kicked out and probably lose
their job and friends they learn how to play the game.
This results in people in the know shunning the Orgs because
they are afraid that they'll be pulled in for a roll back or will
be written up. Also, because there is an effort to get all
auditors to go in and do the Golden Age of Tech, which if
you are a Class 4 probably would cost you somewhere between
$13,000 and $20,000, many auditors try and become as
invisible as possible. The theory is, they figure if they don't
make any noise the people at the Org. will forget about them
and forget to suspend or cancel their certificates.
There are several other strategies. Several field auditors are
doing the Golden Age of Tech. - but very, very slowly. The
Supervisors may get very frustrated, but the stats have been
so low for so long that even a slow student is better than
no student. One long time field auditor was on a very long
cycle of false data stripping. The other tactics are to pretend
to be physically ill. Or to be broke. Or to be handling some
PTS situation.
Support for the Organization to some degree consists of
people who have no idea about the tech alterations or about
the severe ethics that is going on. They have had wins using
Scientology, consider that Scientology is their religion, but
haven't done any courses in a long time. Lots of people are
not trained very much and just figure that if they see something
is a little weird that they don't know enough about the
subject to really know if anything is seriously wrong. So
there are lots of people who work for Scientology companies,
have Scientology friends and family and believe in Scientology
and support the organization because they figure it's doing OK.
They just don't know what's been going on. However, many
of these people have the impression that something is wrong
because they can't seem to make it on course or in auditing.
But they usually blame themselves. The Org., of course,
reinforces this by projecting the blame away from itself and
on to the individual.
One aspect of the Golden Age of Tech is that it demands a lot
of rote memorization. They say this isn't so - but it is.
People
sometimes like this. After all, don't Jews and Catholics have
to memorize a lot? Also, most education demands a lot of
memorization. It's accepted in society.
I have heard that ASHO recently went `old Saint Hill' size.
Someone said that they are doing 200 well done auditing
hours a week. I don't know if this is true. The last few times
that I went to the complex the place was pretty empty.
They did, however, import about 30 people from some
Org. in Hungary to do training at ASHO.
One thing is interesting, though. There are really a lot of
new, very young Sea Org. members. This has been true for
a few years. More of the older, technically experienced
Sea Org. members seem to have left or are on the RPF or
are on lower posts. For example, Pete Specker, who is a
Class 8 at least, and who had a very high post as the Qual
Exec Int is now a folder page at AOLA. Also, Vic Ueckerman,
who also is an OT and highly trained, is currently a folder
page or on some very menial post. He used to be the
Cramming Officer AOLA.
It looks like a lot of the technically trained people who
remain at AOLA have made the decision to stay because
they are too sick and too old to survive outside of the Sea
Org. Also, they may think that this is just a current bad
time. They are receiving only propaganda. They may
have no idea what the over-all scene is.
Many of them may be protesting in whatever way they
can. They are probably hoping that they will receive
some sort of support from public Scientologists.
Anyway, I will try to post more. We need reform!
Perhaps if we spread knowledge there will be
increased responsibility and control. (The KRC
triangle.)
Commis...@hushmail.com
They had to make Hubbard's microcosm of the New World Order look
appealing in the beginning so he could gain a following.
Now the ruse is up. The "altered tech" (as implemented by the new
administration) is really the unveiling of the agenda they have had
from the beginning: use the Sea Org as a testing ground for the
government, ethics, economy, religion, etc. of the New World Order.
How can anyone not believe the NWO is unfolding before our eyes? The
NWO regime is being presently implemented at the Flag Land Base in
Clearwater. Even non-Scientology citizens are victims of this regime.
Terri Schiavo is one of them.
What are we going to do about it?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
ida...@aol.com
this was an excellent post to learn how far the cult goes to use
control features. This so difficult for outsiders to understand.
Ida Camburn
"you must have crossed the river to tell the crocodile he has bad
breath Chinese Proverb
friendship
What you say is interesting. Did you know that a lot of staff in the
old Scn Guardian's Office studied the book "None Dare Call it
Conspiracy" that was promoted by the John Birch Society?
friendship
I do hope that one day your son will finally, finally reconnect with
you.
It pains me when families are torn apart.
Commis...@hushmail.com
Yes, I remember you mentioning this before. This is an important bit of
information because The John Birch Society is actually a front
organization. They pretend to be against that which they secretly
promote.
Of course many of their members might not be aware of what they are
really about--just like many in Scientology have no idea of the real
goals of their leadership.
See: http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html (an excellent well-documented
article.)
friendship
Who knows? Do you think we'll ever know the truth about all this?
I think I also mentioned that some of the Guardian's Office staff
studied "The Art of War" by Tsun Tsu. And all of their actions seemed
to then to be completely necessary and laudable -- the 'greatest good'
you know.l
I wonder if the 'new world order' folks think they're doing good?
Commis...@hushmail.com
It pains us when families are torn apart, but it is points for them.
The more perverse (opposite of what is natural) the more points. That
is how things are in the the satanic realm.
The Nazis routinely split up families during the Holocaust. And those
who practice Nazi ideology still do.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Commis...@hushmail.com
We don't have to know it all. We only have to know enough.
>I think I also mentioned that some of the Guardian's Office staff
>studied "The Art of War" by Tsun Tsu.
Yes, you did. Thank you!
>I wonder if the 'new world order' folks think they're doing good?
They think they are doing good for themselves and are promised great
rewards by the god they serve. They do not know that they will be
cruelly discarded when they are no longer ABLE.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lermanet.com
<Commis...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>It pains me when families are torn apart.
>
>It pains us when families are torn apart, but it is points for them.
>
>The more perverse (opposite of what is natural) the more points. That
>is how things are in the the satanic realm.
>
>The Nazis routinely split up families during the Holocaust. And those
>who practice Nazi ideology still do.
>
>
Id be interesting in hearing more and collecting the data here
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
arnie lerma
>Lisa Ruby
>http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake
If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!
The only real product of Scientology is More Scientologists
That is the same etiology as cancer.
The internet is the Liberty Tree
http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/index.html
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/index.html
"Scientologists believe that most human problems
can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial
people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters"
to individuals in the contemporary world, causing
spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives
of their hosts"
[Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]
friendship
section are pressured to divorce mates who are not in Int or who are
RPF'd out of Int or whatever. Not just a few -- that there have been
scores of divorces because of this pressure.
Another point is that because premarital sex -- even petting -- is
considered bad within the Sea Org moral system, sometimes Sea Org
members get married just to have sex and then they divorce within a
short period of time. So you get the situation where Sea Org members
have been married many times -- sometimes 4, 5 and 6 times.
Cerridwen
Scn has some serious "sex buttons" just look at the crap they put on
their hate pages on RFW.
They act like 5th graders looking up dirty words in the dictionary.
I bet the OSA jerks that ordered Joel Phillips to web that crap
had a conversation something like this:
Stupid OSA jerk: Hey, let's use the word Intercouse, snicker snicker.
Other stupid OSA jerk: Oh two women hugging, they must be
LESBIANS, guffaw, guffaw!
`````````````````
Tsk, they are so stupid, they're not even embarrassed about this
and they SHOULD BE.
Anywayz... regarding Scio's being married so many times,
Per California Law:
"Both parties must appear in person and bring valid picture identification
to the County Clerk’s Office to apply for a marriage license in California."
This looks like the local County Clerk's office for Hemet.
http://riverside.asrclkrec.com/LOhemet.asp
A curious critic might want make a trip to the office and have
some "intercourse", I mean have a talk with the ladies in the
office to see how many the same faces are getting married over
and over. Plus all the marriage licenses should be filed there.
And it's looks like the public might be able to access them.
Cerridwen
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/
"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who disagree with you." --Prignillius
friendship
So -- Joel Phillips is the name of the person who supposedly runs the
"RFW" website? Who is he? Any idea how he gets paid for this? I
imagine he has to be at some arms length from the C of S.
Maybe the C of S has a deal with the Moonies or some other group -- do
we know anything about this person?
I'm not curious enough right now to go out to Riverside. But I hope
someone else will.
Larry T.
http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
© 2005 Lawrence Toomajan
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"friendship" <frien...@ureach.com> wrote in message
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friendship
Can you imagine living life in a mental prison of 'I dare not thing
________." "I dare not feel _________."
All of that stuff must be in a manual somewhere for how to make people
into lunatics.
And how to make life less worth living.
Perhaps this is what follows naturally when you carry Hubbard's idea of
putting teenagers in charge of things out to its logical conclusion.
Commis...@hushmail.com
Just checked out this important page on your site. Maybe I've been here
before because I think I've seen those two crossed-out cross pictures
side by side.
It is telling that the crossed-out cross logo (that you noted is
similar to Crowley's design) was first used in 1969.
Quote from lermanet.com: "Scientology didn't begin "acting" like, or
operating as a "church" until 1969, when they were engaged in
litigation with the FDA."
Satanists view the 1969 date as comprising three sixes: 666. (Inverted
nines are sixes.) Hubbard marked the offical beginning of the "church"
and the use of the crossed-out cross "religious" logo with a "666."
Quote from lermanet.com: "Influences of Aleister Crowley are found in
Scientology "technology," or teaching materials - including L Ron
Hubbard's own admission that he was the "antiChrist."
The number of the beast (Antichrist) is 666.
Quote from your site: "In 1950, L Ron Hubbard wrote the book
"Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health."
Occultists strongly believe in numerology and L. Ron Hubbard was no
exception.
1950 is 1+9+5+0 = 15. Fifteen is three fives. Three fives means Triple
Death.
"In the occult world, the number '5' is the number of Death! The
symbolic highest possible multiplication of power numbers is to repeat
it three times. Therefore, '555' is the highest symbolic multiplication
of '5', and literally means 'Triple Death." (1)
notes: (1) EVENTS CONTINUE TO OCCUR "BY THE NUMBERS"
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1789.cfm
continued in next post
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Commis...@hushmail.com
"Sex by will," he says. "Love by will -- no caring and no sharing -- no
feelings. None. Love reversed. Love isn't sex. Love is no good; puts
you at effect. Sex is the route to power. Scarlet women! They are the
secret to the doorway. Use and consume. Feast. Drink the power through
them. Waste and discard them."
Quote to son, L Ron Hubbard Jr.
This is exactly how serious Satanists view sex: as the route to power.
Demons are received ("drink the power through them") and given via the
avenue of sex.
(Sex in marriage was God's idea but Satan uses perverted sex ("use and
consume," and "waste and discard") for his unholy ends.
The more perverted the sexual activity, the more demonic power is
received for the person or the organization. Individuals commit
perverted (against what is natural) sexual acts and then pool the power
they gain so as to make the organization more powerful in the satanic
realm.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Dave Touretzky
Commis...@hushmail.com <Commis...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>"In the occult world, the number '5' is the number of Death! ...
>1950 is 1+9+5+0 = 15. Fifteen is three fives. Three fives means Triple
>Death.
Does anyone else find Lisa Ruby as amusing as I do? Many lunatics are
rather nasty, but Ms. Ruby is always polite, and so... earnest.
Anyway, her "logic" remainds me of a joke I learned as a boy:
Q: Why are fire engines red?
A: Because 2 plus 2 equals 4.
And 4 times 3 is 12.
And there are twelve inches in a ruler.
And Queen Elizabeth was a great ruler.
The Queen Elizabeth sailed the sea.
And the sea has fish.
Fish have fins.
The Finns fought the Russians.
And fire engines are read because... they're always rushin'!
You see? It all makes perfect sense. Especially if you're an
"occultist".
But wait! There's more!
Add up all the digits in the joke above, and you get 27,
which is three to the third power, or 3 * 3 * 3. And
that is obviously a half-hidden version of 666.
You see? Satan is everywhere! Right now, he's in my sock drawer.
-- Dave Touretzky: "There is no Christ. Ron is Xenu."
http://Perkins-Tragedy.org http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com
Commis...@hushmail.com
Numerologists mark things exactly the way I described. If you find it
amusing that is revealing to me.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
barb
Thufferin thuccotash! Thetan in your sock drawer? Latht week, I had
thetan lurking in my coffee pot!
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
friendship
and Sex" that basically links the two and indicates that sex is somehow
a degrading thing.
When I first read it I tried to 'see' the truth in it but quickly came
to reject it. I've seen too many male religious figures deny the joy
of sex when they become impotent themselves. St. Augustine is a good
example of this.
roger gonnet
"Dave Touretzky" <d...@cs.cmu.edu> a écrit dans le message de news:
421977d8$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
> In article <1108950435.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> Commis...@hushmail.com <Commis...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
> Add up all the digits in the joke above, and you get 27,
> which is three to the third power, or 3 * 3 * 3. And
> that is obviously a half-hidden version of 666.
>
> You see? Satan is everywhere! Right now, he's in my sock drawer.
nah nah, if you were a true Oatea, you would know that what is in your sock
drawer couold be the BT called "Dave's sock drawer inhabitant" or so.
roger
Ball of Fluff
<Commis...@hushmail.com> wrote in message
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Societies always revamp themselves.
Go read some history.
C