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blackdove

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Nov 26, 2005, 4:09:41 AM11/26/05
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Click on the closeup of this photo.

There are black circles under her eyes. Note also how pale she is...

Girl does NOT look well.

And just jetlag isn't covering it for me.

http://www.katieholmespictures.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

Skipper

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Nov 26, 2005, 11:29:53 AM11/26/05
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In article <1132996181.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
blackdove <januar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

She's been staying up late keeping space aliens away from the baby and
Tom away from the space aliens.

Android Cat

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Nov 26, 2005, 12:14:26 PM11/26/05
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It's the feedback from that mini Coffee Grinder weapon, I tell you! She
needs the goggles and a hot papa suit like Hubbard said in History of Man.
Fortunately, there are Marcab Depot stores in many locations that carry them
if you know how to know where to look.

Garden-variety humanoid being threatened by Invader Force agent wearing suit
and goggles:
http://fusionanomaly.net/bottlerocketyellowjumpsuit.jpg

Bap bap bap baby!

--
Ron of that ilk.

Kim Palmer

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Nov 26, 2005, 2:17:03 PM11/26/05
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Android Cat wrote:

or she could be having a difficult time - so-called morning sickness can
last all day and throughout the entire pregnancy - my second pregnancy
was bad that way - sleeplessness can also be a problem in pregnancy.None
of this is caused by evil bt gremlins - simply hormonal shifts during
pregnancy. Being pregnant is not always easy ...

Kim P

Skipper

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Nov 26, 2005, 4:07:41 PM11/26/05
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In article <4388b4cb$1...@news2.lightlink.com>, Kim Palmer
<yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Being pregnant with a baby supposedly fathered by Tom Cruise is even
uneasier.

blackdove

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Nov 26, 2005, 8:10:05 PM11/26/05
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Indeed, but I read somewhere that she said she didn't have any morning
sickness. Also, in the purple cami pix at the soccer game, it appeared
that her belly button had already popped, putting her at around 6
months... I'm told that 6-8 months feels pretty healthy, though
obviously every pregnancy is different.

I just think she doesn't look happy... She shouldn't be doing so much
traveling if she isn't feeling well. :-(

-blackdove

defiant

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Nov 26, 2005, 9:44:14 PM11/26/05
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If she is not feeling fine, she should rest up. It isn't as if people
in Shanghai are clamoring to see them. They might as well be anybody
on the street. Cruise is only in Shanghai for 10 days I believe, they
can do without each other for those days. I think that's just
eveshadow rather than black circles.

Kim Palmer

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Nov 26, 2005, 11:56:26 PM11/26/05
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traveling is difficult - and certainly the second trimester is often
easier than the first or third it is not always so. Hormons are evil
evil things I tell ya...and pregnancy is often depicted to be this
wonderful thing...no one talks about the hemmoroids, the strain on the
bladder, the aching back, the sore ribs etc etc. I carried twins to
full term and felt like a beached whale for a great deal of it.

I hope Katie gets some down time to rest and relax. As for the sonogram
machine I hope she chokes him with it - to get a good pic of the fetus
the mother's bladder has to be full.

Kim P

barb

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Nov 26, 2005, 11:57:10 PM11/26/05
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blackdove wrote:

I agree...in that picture, her face is stretched in a smile, but it
doesn't look like genuine happiness. More like a grimace to assure the
public that "she adores him."
Sad, really.

--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander

barb

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Nov 27, 2005, 12:02:34 AM11/27/05
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defiant wrote:

While I basically agree with you overall, I guarantee they are not
"anybody on the street" in Shanghai.
Even the heterosexual Tom Cruise towers over the residents of Chinese
cities! I mean, I'm five foot four, 110 lbs, and in chinese made brands,
I take a 25!

defiant

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Nov 27, 2005, 12:56:11 AM11/27/05
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barb wrote:

> defiant wrote:
>
> > If she is not feeling fine, she should rest up. It isn't as if people
> > in Shanghai are clamoring to see them. They might as well be anybody
> > on the street. Cruise is only in Shanghai for 10 days I believe, they
> > can do without each other for those days. I think that's just
> > eveshadow rather than black circles.
> >
> While I basically agree with you overall, I guarantee they are not
> "anybody on the street" in Shanghai.
> Even the heterosexual Tom Cruise towers over the residents of Chinese
> cities! I mean, I'm five foot four, 110 lbs, and in chinese made brands,
> I take a 25!
>
> --
> --barb

What I meant was that nobody seem to be giving them a second look, lol.

blackdove

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Nov 27, 2005, 4:40:31 AM11/27/05
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Dark eyeshadow, underneath her eyes??? That might work for heroin chic
a la Kate Moss, but one would think that Katie would be piling on the
blush instead to look the glowing mother.

She also looks so pale. Mostly I think she needs rest.

Oh and to get away from Tom and Scientology.

Though, imho she hasn't ever looked terribly well while being with Tom.
Some celeb blogs have dubbed her Princess Hot Mess, as if she left her
hairbrush at home when she got swept off with Tom.

But agreed, yeah.. she could have lived without Tom for those 10 days.

-blackdove

Kim Palmer

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Nov 27, 2005, 8:36:20 AM11/27/05
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It is more likely he who could not bear to be apart from her - easier to
exert complete control in person...

Kim P

blackdove

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Nov 27, 2005, 6:04:33 PM11/27/05
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I grieve for her. There is something so horribly uncomfortable about
watching a cult indoctrination unfold in a public arena.
Her choice? But I can't help but feel disgusted.

-blackdove

Kim Palmer

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Nov 27, 2005, 10:23:58 PM11/27/05
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I worry about what will happen to the child should she ever choose to
leave - that is HIS baby etc etc... it is just frightening to watch.

Kim P

Android Cat

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Nov 27, 2005, 10:43:01 PM11/27/05
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Kim Palmer wrote:
> blackdove wrote:

>> I grieve for her. There is something so horribly uncomfortable about
>> watching a cult indoctrination unfold in a public arena.
>> Her choice? But I can't help but feel disgusted.
>

> I worry about what will happen to the child should she ever choose to
> leave - that is HIS baby etc etc... it is just frightening to watch.

And what is happening to his adopted children these days? Shuffled to Sea
Org day care or hopefully with Nicole?

defiant

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Nov 28, 2005, 12:20:44 AM11/28/05
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Android Cat wrote:

The kids were with him recently but I think they should be back to
their mother now and hopefully out of the limelight. Despite his
claiming his kids are scientologists, I doubt it, I don't think the
celebs put their kids through that even when they are with him, I don't
think they do anything "scientology". His kids are 11 and 13, they are
too old for day care.

blackdove

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Nov 28, 2005, 4:18:25 AM11/28/05
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Tom's daughter Isabella did show up this year on a list of course
completions as Bella Cruise, having completed a basic Scientology
course.

I've also read of Nicole taking her kids to Catholic mass, and Nicole's
dad is a clinical psychologist.

Meanwhile, the kids are home schooled by Tom's sisters who are
Scientologists and no doubt teach things the Hubbard way.

What a strange division it must be, in that family. It does seem like
Nicole tries to provide them with a good, stable grounding influence,
at the least...

-blackdove

defiant

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Nov 28, 2005, 11:35:42 AM11/28/05
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blackdove wrote:

Oh yes, I know about the classes and the homeschooling but when I think
of an indoctrination, I think something more than that, like they are
now really certified scientologists which is what I believe Cruise
hinted at. I said in one of my posts, it doesn't matter how we cut it,
it is a strange division and kids are involved, the party who isn't a
scientologist need to tread carefully because she has nothing legal to
stand on and will cause even further damage to the kids if a custodial
fight breaks out.

John

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Nov 28, 2005, 8:20:33 PM11/28/05
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"blackdove" <januar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133169505.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

What a perfect rationalisation for Tom as to why the relationship didn't
work. Nichole was attached to a PTS.


defiant

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Nov 28, 2005, 8:22:54 PM11/28/05
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John wrote:

What's a PTS?

John

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Nov 28, 2005, 9:01:52 PM11/28/05
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"defiant" <fearles...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Potential Trouble Source.


defiant

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Nov 28, 2005, 9:33:42 PM11/28/05
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John wrote:

And psychologists and psychiatrists will be part of this group. hmmm.
She is pretty much linked to people in this group, knowing a
psychologist and supporting it, being catholic, it was pretty much a no
no. You have to wonder how if he is such a devoted scientologist and
LRon follower, why he hasn't declared Kidman as a suppressive. I
figure this is something they do where they just cut people off.

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