The Latest "Top Secret" Plan..........
Magoo
They're a bit like "Where's Waldo" if you've ever read that book.
There are a million people, but 'somewhere' is "Waldo" and the theme is to
find him. Not that hard, once you get the game....
but it always reminds me of OSA.
So their latest and greatest TOP SECRET project (cough! errr...
how could I possibly know??? Get out the Sec checks, OSA!)
is to get a letter mailing campaign going to tell the top
Search Engine groups to please "remove hate sites from their
site". These include AOL, Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and Netscape.
OSA>>>>>why don't you just 'Get honest and Straight?"
Here's the e-mail:
From:XXXXXX (Name withheld as requested)
To: 'Tory/Magoo'
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003
Subject: Search engine campaign against "hate sites"
Hey Tory -
I wanted to pass along a bit of data. Do with it as you wish......
(requesting the sender name be withheld)
-A-(name withheld to protect the innocent) business associates (Scns)
received a briefing from Jon ****( a Scientologist being used by C of
S/OSA).......Everyone was told it was a very, very secret project and not to
pass it along to anyone outside of those in the room. Basically it was a
letter-writing campaign to get Scientologists to email each of the search
engines of AOL, Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and Netscape asking them to remove
"hate-sites" from their sites.
My only thought on why this is so secret is so the critics don't know about
it and send emails to the search engines telling them to keep the sites
listed which would cancel out their efforts. So perhaps that would be
helpful.....
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
They are supposed to say things like:
"Scientologists have suffered personal violence and bloodshed in Europe
and the USA. Potentially violent and unstable people get their fuel from
others hate-speech. Do you want an incident of violence traced to a
hate-site found by your search engine?"
"This issue is absolutely not a matter of "free speech" or "showing both
sides of a controversial subject." One is not free to incite violence, to
fuel hatred, or yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre. These hate sites
actively seek to ruin others' lives and businesses, then hide behind "free
speech".
"Scientologists with excellent work records have been fired or lost
their businesses when hate-media mentioned them as Scientologists or stirred
up ignorant anti-Scientology hysteria. Do you want those economic
repercussions traced to your search engine?"
"Hate sites for other religions, other persuasions are omitted from
search results -- as they should be! It's prejudicial to include hate-sites
that denigrate Scientology. (Please find another example besides Judaism;
it gets overloaded as a comparison point.)"
They are to send their emails to:
Google: comm...@google.com
Yahoo: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/abuse/cgi_abuse
Lycos: ab...@tripod.com
Netscape: http://wp.netscape.com/feedback/general.html
AOL: http://www.aol.com/info/feedback.html
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
And, true to form of course, they're keeping stats of how many emails were
sent out and any responses they get reporting back to Jon **** at
reac...@attbi.com.
Just thought you'd want to know!
End of E-mail.
PS:
This post was made by Tory Christman who used to be in Scientology for 30
years, and worked with their Office of
Special Affairs for 20 years as a volunteer.
One of the last things I did before leaving, was be the Executive Director
for a group called "The Scientology Parishioners League" with my senior
being the Vice President of Scientology, Janet Weiland. The intention of
this group was supposed to be to "Stamp out any and all 'black PR" or
critical information about The Church of Scientology.
At the time I believed, as I'm sure Jon still does, that people writing
critical things are just "religious bigots" or "Hate Mongers".
Nothing could be farther from the truth. A bigot, per Webster's New World
Dictionary is:
1) "a person who stubbornly and without thinking holds to certain opinions
and will not listen to other views.
2) a prejudiced and narrow minded person.
That is EXACTLY what this group (Scientology-esp part of Church of
Scientology or OSA) does. They refuse to even speak to anyone who questions
their group in a critical eye.
I was a Scientologist for 30 Y E A R S, and once I left, not one of my 30
year "Friends" will even speak to me. They've been fed lies about me, to the
point where they hate me, all under the guise of
"Religion".
Scientologists within what is known as "the Church of Scientology" refuse to
speak with anyone with any information other than what they want known,
except those they know they can "Handle" or feed lies to, and get to stop
speaking out.
Sure...if they know they can "handle the person" they will say, "Sure, we'll
talk to you". Here's the question: Will they talk to me? No. Will they talk
to many others who have left? No.
I sat in a room with three Scientogists recently and some ministers. She
compared me (who was a very active member for 30 years) with Hitler! Come
on!!! Needless to say, when the ministers read that they literally and
physically write "SP declares" basically slandering people endlessly, their
true colors came out.
Will they even read books that expose ~true facts~ about their own
organization? No. However, they will write to Search engines, not even
knowing what is really on the sites they are complaining about (as they
cannot read them), and tell them to remove things. That is bigotry.
I know what I speak of. I called A & E and insisted they take off the Head
of Scientology, David Miscavige and Scientology, from a show about Cults,
when I'd never even read what a Cult is. After we'd sent enough e-mails,
sure enough, within 24 hours they took it off. I was also asked to call MTV,
which I did, and pounded on the Producer to change the "Simpson" skit they
had, as they were using "our religious tenants" in a defamatory way. What
was I thinking of? Dianetics (which they were using) is NOT religious, even
per the author: Hubbard!!! I kept pounding for two days, and they changed
it, to our great shock.
I was told this group idea came from Jon **** (a man being used by C of
S/OSA), listed above. However, the VP asked me to be the ED, which I was for
a few months, until I left C of S, due to their endless attempts at
stopping Free Speech, which got me looking at what else might be going on
that I didn't know about. Once I read, I left.
My best suggestion is to read up on ALL of these Web sites, and remove
nothing. The truth shall set you free. Words cannot harm you, unless you are
trying to lie to others. Then they can be violently harmful, or so those
running "The Scio/Truman Show" think.
OSA:
Please stop trying to harm others, and stop knowledge.
Clean up your own back yard,
and you *might* stand a chance. Obviously *This* way is NOT working. Some
day you will get even your own people are against stopping Free Speech, no
matter what people say. It was actually what really got me leaving.
All the best :))
Tory Christman
aka: Magoo!
mag...@worldnet.att.net
In for 30 years
Out for 2 years and 9 months
SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster
Free at LAST!!
For more info, please see these sites:
http://www.xenu.net (Excellent info)
http://www.lermanet.com/toryonosa.htm (How they tried to infiltrate the
Internet and stop free speech)
http://www.xenutv.com (videos)
http://www.torymagoo.org (OT 7 Speaks out)
http://www.altreligionscientology.net (more Web sites)
To X-Scientologists and Critics, feel free to send this letter to anyone, as
long as it is not altered
in any way. It is not OK for C of S to use in any way, although
I'm sure they will, one way or the other, to spread more hatred about me.
barb
Well, THAT was too easy! <G>
--
--
barb
Chaplain, ARS
"After over 50 years, what has Scientology given the world? Misery,
hopelessness, broken families, desolation, death."
-Shydavid
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I've informed all the listed addresses/URLs they
want to use.
Mike Gormez
- Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net
- 'Religious' child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
- Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
- The hearing transcripts http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
Magoo
"Michael 'Mike' Gormez" <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message
news:jfl0bvo83o0qg7ajl...@4ax.com...
> In article <pJVra.58926$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> ,
> "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I've informed all the listed addresses/URLs they
> want to use.
>
>
> Mike Gormez
Thanks, Mike....and prolly barbz..2.
It's sooo nice to know you all :)
Tory/Magoo!
ps: Sorry OSA>>>>but as I said, one day you'll feel the frying pan hitting
you in the face: OH! FREEEEEEEEEE speech.
Until, you'll end up here.
IDA J 007
>From: "Magoo" mag...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 04/30/2003 12:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <pJVra.58926$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Tory: I have cut and pasted and will be forwarding this news on to those on my
address list. Thank you so much for posting and thank the xxxxx also.
This is just an example of the effort to silence anyone telling the truth.
There is no hate expounded in the effort to educate the public --only a desire
for "the other " side to be shown.
I have heard more than once from ex-Scientologists that they only wished they
had a place to look and see the other side before they spent years , money,
friendships and even their health before they realized this organizaion is what
some call a "Dog and Pony " show.
Ida Camburn
The first key to wisdom is assiduous
and frequent questioning.
For by doubting we come to inquire and by inquiry we arrive at truth.
--Peter Abelard
Ed
Ed
barb
> "Michael 'Mike' Gormez" <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message
> news:jfl0bvo83o0qg7ajl...@4ax.com...
>
>>In article <pJVra.58926$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> ,
>>"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks for the heads up. I've informed all the listed addresses/URLs they
>>want to use.
>>
>>
>>Mike Gormez
>
>
> Thanks, Mike....and prolly barbz..2.
No prolly about it, hon. I did some stuff. ;)
>
> It's sooo nice to know you all :)
>
> Tory/Magoo!
> ps: Sorry OSA>>>>but as I said, one day you'll feel the frying pan hitting
> you in the face: OH! FREEEEEEEEEE speech.
> Until, you'll end up here.
>
>>- Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net
>>- 'Religious' child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
>>- Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
>>- The hearing transcripts http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
>
>
>
--
barb
Heh...I can't wait for this to hit SlashDot!
barb
> I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>
> Ed
Great minds think alike, Ed. However, the ISPs have been given a
heads-up. I doubt this will get as far as /. now, unless said ISPs react
in a predictably stoopid manner. Which I hope they won't, but hey! It's
Scientology, so ya never know!
--
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
>I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
Mike Gormez
ptsc
<mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
>In article <3EB06D8A...@aol.com> , Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>>I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
>http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
>to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
ScientologyWatch.org has it.
http://www.scientologywatch.org/postnuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=49
http://tinyurl.com/apaj
Magoo
"Michael 'Mike' Gormez" <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message
news:09u0bv8l6kbfhm61p...@4ax.com...
> In article <3EB06D8A...@aol.com> , Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>
> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>
> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
> to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
Thanks Mike...
That's over MY head....but as I said, I'm glad I know you all :)
Tory/Magoo!
>
>
>
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
<pt...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>
>>It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
>>http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>
>>I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
>>to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
>
>ScientologyWatch.org has it.
>
>http://www.scientologywatch.org/postnuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=49
>http://tinyurl.com/apaj
Nicely done but with due respect, that will not catch as many eye-balls as
Slashdot. Consider to submit it there too.
blackdog
> Great minds think alike, Ed. However, the ISPs have been given a
> heads-up. I doubt this will get as far as /. now, unless said ISPs
react
> in a predictably stoopid manner. Which I hope they won\'t, but hey!
It\'s
> Scientology, so ya never know!
It\'s unfortunate that you\'ve withheld \"Jon\"\'s last name and other
specific information such as where the meeting took place, who
attended (names), when it took place, etc. Had this information been
included some of us could independently verify that this \"story\" is
true.
As it stands, those of us who might think that you\'re lying, still
think that you\'re lying.
.
--
Not of the sunlight,
Not of the moonlight,
Not of the starlight!
O young Mariner,
Down to the haven,
Call your companions,
Launch your vessel,
And crowd your canvas,
And, ere it vanishes
Over the margin,
After it, follow it,
Follow the Gleam.
[\"Merlin and the Gleam\" Alfred, Lord Tennyson]
arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
<blackdog...@hoy.cotse.net> wrote:
>barb wrote:
>
>> Great minds think alike, Ed. However, the ISPs have been given a
>> heads-up. I doubt this will get as far as /. now, unless said ISPs
>react
>> in a predictably stoopid manner. Which I hope they won\'t, but hey!
>It\'s
>> Scientology, so ya never know!
>
> It\'s unfortunate that you\'ve withheld \"Jon\"\'s last name and other
>specific information such as where the meeting took place, who
>attended (names), when it took place, etc. Had this information been
>included some of us could independently verify that this \"story\" is
>true.
I can hear DM seething now, who knew, who did they talk to?
Sec checks for everyone?
Hey dingbat, yeah you, Bill Yaude, post something saying its all a
lie and we don't believe you, so maybe they will let us know who the
leak is so we can cut off their heads...
Oh, nevermind, we already did that for our millenium event....
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/washingtonpost/nohead01042000.htm
Bad news always comes in three's DM.
Arnie Lerma
Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
blackdog
> Bad news always comes in three's DM.
>
> Arnie Lerma
Henson
Minton
?
Magoo
"arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in
message news:3eb099eb...@news.verizon.net...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:32:02 -0800 (AKDT), "blackdog"
> <blackdog...@hoy.cotse.net> wrote:
>
> >barb wrote:
> >
> >> Great minds think alike, Ed. However, the ISPs have been given a
> >> heads-up. I doubt this will get as far as /. now, unless said ISPs
> >react
> >> in a predictably stoopid manner. Which I hope they won\'t, but hey!
> >It\'s
> >> Scientology, so ya never know!
> >
> > It\'s unfortunate that you\'ve withheld \"Jon\"\'s last name and other
> >specific information such as where the meeting took place, who
> >attended (names), when it took place, etc. Had this information been
> >included some of us could independently verify that this \"story\" is
> >true.
>
>
>
> I can hear DM seething now, who knew, who did they talk to?
>
> Sec checks for everyone?
>
> Hey dingbat, yeah you, Bill Yaude, post something saying its all a
> lie and we don't believe you, so maybe they will let us know who the
> leak is so we can cut off their heads...
Magoo bursts out laughing...soooo sooo true~!
Oh yea...tell us "who"! As I said, get out those meters.....
and keep in mind that ever perfect "Golden Age of Tech"
metering and Wonderful "Sec Check TR's" too :) One more
testimony of ~that~ BS!
>
> Oh, nevermind, we already did that for our millenium event....
>
> http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/washingtonpost/nohead01042000.htm
>
> Bad news always comes in three's DM.
Lol....ahhh it's gotta be a *hot* night in the scio/Exec/land.
Thanks, Arnie, and all my friends who've helped here.
Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight!
Magoo
"blackdog" <blackdog...@hoy.cotse.net> wrote in message
news:aHVja2xl.ccc02208e79...@1051765174.cotse.net...
"Follow the Gleam"??>
After you all have made fun of me for over 2 years for
"dancing in the moonlight"? You all lost the idea of ''gleam"
when you sold out to OSA.
Thanks for the poem, though. Someday you'll remember that
"Gleam" and realize it isn't from BT's and Clusters...or
the late L. Ron Hubbard. It's within your view....if you'll only
LOOK>
Tory/Magoo~in the light~
>
ShyDavid
> No prolly about it, hon. I did some stuff. ;)
Consider the following sentence that Scientology customers are
supposed to use, in various versions:
"Scientologists have suffered personal violence and
bloodshed in Europe and the USA.
My questions are, and have been for years, *WHO?* *WHERE?* *WHEN?* The
crime syndicate's propaganda makes these claims, but never actually
gets around to producing any evidence that the claims are correct.
The *ONLY* instances of violence against Scientology's customers
("members") that I have been able to find has been inflicted *BY*
other Scientologists. The same holds true for threats. Only
Scientologists kill Scientologists; only Scientologists maim, cripple,
and injure Scientologists.
A few years ago there was a newspaper article that claimed that the
Chicago brainwashing center "took a bullet." [But then, how many other
businesses did also? It *IS* Chicago, after all!] That same article
also reported that (*) was "burned in effigy in Los Angeles." We know
damn well that the latter "event" didn't occur--- it was an imaginary
on-line prank to divert the crime syndicate's enforcers away from
Clearwater and Bib Minbton's pending arrival there. Did the Chicago
brainwashing center actually "take a bullet," as reported? Why is
there no evidence the event happened?
If a Scientologist has been subjected to "personal violence and
bloodshed" by a critic or critics of Scientology's crimes and human
rights abuses, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT! Why is Scientology Inc.
refusing to share this information?
---
"You are such a weirdo, Dave Shy, a real corrupt country boy."
--- Barbara Schwarz
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:%I2sa.59458$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
It's probably the only Tennyson he's allowed to quote, much less read. The
"blackdog" valence probably thinks that, because the poem involves sea
travel, that it must be about $cientology and it's pill-head rummy wannabe
sailor/antichrist Hubbard.
--
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
- LRH's "Creation of Human Ability" p251
> Tory/Magoo~in the light~
> >
>
>
Android Cat
> In article <3EB06D8A...@aol.com> , Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>
> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>
> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit
> it to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side of a slashdotting! :^)
Ron of that ilk.
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:25:01 -0700, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> No prolly about it, hon. I did some stuff. ;)
>
>Consider the following sentence that Scientology customers are
>supposed to use, in various versions:
>
> "Scientologists have suffered personal violence and
> bloodshed in Europe and the USA.
>
>My questions are, and have been for years, *WHO?* *WHERE?* *WHEN?* The
>crime syndicate's propaganda makes these claims, but never actually
>gets around to producing any evidence that the claims are correct.
Here, in this affidavit the claim some stuff
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/affidavit-pk.htm
Btw, I don't know who and how to ask, but I searched for Kellerhals
affidavit and also saw this page below, but it is a mess because it
misses the <pre> tag and has an <ul> tag instead - many of the files are
like that, which can be easily fixed with a search and replace program.
http://www.holysmoke.org/minton/mintonmm.htm
Mike Gormez
Chris Leithiser
>
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:25:01 -0700, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > No prolly about it, hon. I did some stuff. ;)
>
> Consider the following sentence that Scientology customers are
> supposed to use, in various versions:
>
> "Scientologists have suffered personal violence and
> bloodshed in Europe and the USA.
>
> My questions are, and have been for years, *WHO?* *WHERE?* *WHEN?* The
> crime syndicate's propaganda makes these claims, but never actually
> gets around to producing any evidence that the claims are correct.
Lisa McPherson. Stacy Moxon Meyer. Susan Meister.
Feisty
> Guess what OSA is up to now???
>
> They're a bit like "Where's Waldo" if you've ever read that book.
> There are a million people, but 'somewhere' is "Waldo" and the theme is to
> find him. Not that hard, once you get the game....
> but it always reminds me of OSA.
>
> So their latest and greatest TOP SECRET project (cough! errr...
> how could I possibly know??? Get out the Sec checks, OSA!)
> is to get a letter mailing campaign going to tell the top
> Search Engine groups to please "remove hate sites from their
> site". These include AOL, Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and Netscape.
>
> OSA>>>>>why don't you just 'Get honest and Straight?"
>
>
> Here's the e-mail:
>
> From:XXXXXX (Name withheld as requested)
> To: 'Tory/Magoo'
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003
> Subject: Search engine campaign against "hate sites"
>
>
> Hey Tory -
>
>
> I wanted to pass along a bit of data. Do with it as you wish......
> (requesting the sender name be withheld)
>
> -A-(name withheld to protect the innocent) business associates (Scns)
> received a briefing from Jon ****( a Scientologist being used by C of
> S/OSA).......Everyone was told it was a very, very secret project and not to
> pass it along to anyone outside of those in the room.
First off, asking members to carry out a "very, very secret project" is suspect
right away.
If this is about their freedom, their feeling of persecution then why is it
secret? That smolders of guilt as if they know what they do is suspect. Projects
are something to do from start to finish. In the real world it's called an
"appeal" Laying these types of burdens on members is really out of line!
And needless to say, so much for those leaders standing right there rolling up
their sleeves!
No they are not going to take any heat whatsoever for stealthy projects! A
couple speeches from the leaders and some question answer sessions with the
press would really boost morale for the troops eh?
> Basically it was a letter-writing campaign to get Scientologists to email each
of the search
> engines of AOL, Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and Netscape asking them to remove
> "hate-sites" from their sites.
Net nannies aside, I hope they reallly reallly read what they find in the search
engines. That is the best thing they could be doing! Wonder if this is why they
have removed so much of their obsessive excessive ads out so not to look like
the hypocrites that they really are. Pot kettle black.
I hope the Slatkin news and their four Church corps being under Federal
examination hits home real good. What they are being asked to hate/censor is
really a historical documentation including presently that they are being asked
to carry on at that very moment. Maybe that will come to mind also. They have to
wonder why no leaders of a church will stand up and say the very same thing,
openly, publicly. All the other churches do about issues. But people know the
leaders have sent this order so what's the difference? A notion of saved face
and irresponsibility for actions of the leaders? bingo! The people who ask who
wrote this should wonder who told him to write this and so on up. That's a real
big issue and ommission in every issue as well. The issue that says its a group
following orders therefore premeditated rather than an individual who appears
mental or has fallen away from the church. Those leaders have quite a comfy
cushion worked out.
>
> My only thought on why this is so secret is so the critics don't know about
> it and send emails to the search engines telling them to keep the sites
> listed which would cancel out their efforts. So perhaps that would be
> helpful.....
It shouldn't feel right and you are so right, it's not on the level. Thanks...
This is one more thing that may save many invidividual cases of guilt later.
Lots of words are on the internet. Including the churches use of Nazis to make
their points. They are being asked to do things (being told and using hate) that
result in the removal of words of free speech. More personally other peoples use
of words and expressions of free speech. A result of which they feel the need
to "attack and never defend." They are being asked to discriminate against free
speech.
You know I don't know any church that's leaders are so low profile and not
towing the party line right their with their members. Does that strike any one
else as being so empty? Is this not their opinion too? The troops are being led
on a mission. Why so covert? Where is that support?
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
> They are supposed to say things like:
>
> "Scientologists have suffered personal violence and bloodshed in Europe
> and the USA. Potentially violent and unstable people get their fuel from
> others hate-speech. Do you want an incident of violence traced to a
> hate-site found by your search engine?"
yes, persecution card. without any leaders speaking. We are slaves who have no
leadership behind us. Now we are angry because our revenue is suffering because
of free speech. Where are those leaders to speak to the search engine entities?
The money that is sent uplines involves them too and each members eternity is
dictated based on the ownership of the materials up the corporate road. What
will they do if the franchise cannot spread it's base and materials?
>
> "This issue is absolutely not a matter of "free speech" or "showing both
> sides of a controversial subject." One is not free to incite violence, to
> fuel hatred, or yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre. These hate sites
> actively seek to ruin others' lives and businesses, then hide behind "free
> speech".
>
> "Scientologists with excellent work records have been fired or lost
> their businesses when hate-media mentioned them as Scientologists or stirred
> up ignorant anti-Scientology hysteria. Do you want those economic
> repercussions traced to your search engine?"
Ha ha. There is alot more people who are allowed to read search engines than
just members of a church. And even the members of the church are blocked from
sites already. They have created this so they must now blame someone else using
the old threat of a product supporting an unethical purpose. Pot kettle again.
But really it's about revenue. Rest assured!
>
> "Hate sites for other religions, other persuasions are omitted from
> search results -- as they should be! It's prejudicial to include hate-sites
> that denigrate Scientology. (Please find another example besides Judaism;
> it gets overloaded as a comparison point.)"
This finally gets to the point of critical sites. Back up one step to how people
get to them. Third party. Person searching - search engine - critical website.
It's such an old argument.
Thank you Tory. It's sad to see the manipulation of these members. From your
words, others words, things have not changed. This is why things happen often
by accident or those unaware. The power in numbers here is a perversion,
especially when the leaders are not in the picture. The real issue at hand is
not on the table at all. That is how alot of issues are avoiding of
responsibility and. It is not on the up and up and it is a backwards stealthy
way to teach people to manipulate free speech. Members suffer for not getting
with this program as written in all these materials. The very materials ans
stories they are being asked to hateful and have removed! Quite an obvious
project. Every action like this perpetuates the cycle even further.
This could be yet another footbullet as well.
Feisty
Mike O'Connor
Michael 'Mike' Gormez <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
> In article <3EB06D8A...@aol.com> , Ed <met...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>
> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>
> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
> to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
Don't forget fark.com they often list Scientology articles. I submitted
that URL.
--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>
Magoo
<ShyDavid (ShyDavid)> wrote in message news:3eb0...@news2.lightlink.com...
Good point. I will tell you, as an X-Scientologist out for some months, I
was TOTALLY shocked when a Sea Org member DOVE on Bob Minton, and wrestled
him to the ground! I'm not trying to start some long BM thread...but
pointing out a SEA ORG member dove on him, and I was ~~right~~there to see
it. This was with much of the Flag Staff standing by, doing NOTHING. Jeff
Jacobson and I rushed over, got the cops to stop it. How pathetic.
Also, Bunker has some stories of the same. I was there when again, some OSA
"volunteers" told me, "We're going to shove this magnet onto his camera
which will erase all of his tape". When that happened, so much was
happening, it just barely registered with me, but later I thought about it
alot. We were supposed to be the "Religion". At the time I disagreed with
Mark that he was filming our party. However, the manipulative things my
group was doing, were truly pathetic. All of it added to me waking up, so in
that sense, one thing good came out of it.
I still think about how much I had been conditioned to believe "There is NO
Fair Game",
right as it was occurring under my nose! No, I was actually assisting it,
really, but didn't see it as such.
Tory/Magoo~
X-Scientologist after 30 years "in"
PS: To the degree you hate me, OSA, you have "Overts" on me.
Remember...that IS the "Tech".
Magoo
"Chris Leithiser" <clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote in message
news:3EB13B8D...@bc.cc.ca.us...
Sadly, and respectfully, they are dead and cannot speak.
I went through their medical malpractice routine, where I had
to get off of much needed medication, and as my mother thankfully insisted,
"Tory--these people are going to Kill you if you keep doing what they say".
I returned to taking the medicine I needed, and stopped having Grand
MalSeizures they'd stood around and watched, (and then told me for 30 years
I was "PTS" for having them! ) that were extremely damaging.
I'm here to say, if anyone thinks Scientology doesn't practice medical
Malpractice, or those people "just happened"...
come speak with ME.
Tory Christman
Aka: Magoo!
mag...@worldnet.att.net
Magoo
"Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message
news:Mhbsa.1340$mD5.5...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
>
> Magoo <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:pJVra.58926$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Guess what OSA is up to now???
engines to remove factual info they disagree with>>>
> > "Scientologists with excellent work records have been fired or lost
> > their businesses when hate-media mentioned them as Scientologists or
stirred
> > up ignorant anti-Scientology hysteria. Do you want those economic
> > repercussions traced to your search engine?"
>
> Ha ha. There is alot more people who are allowed to read search engines
than
> just members of a church. And even the members of the church are blocked
from
> sites already. They have created this so they must now blame someone else
using
> the old threat of a product supporting an unethical purpose. Pot kettle
again.
> But really it's about revenue. Rest assured!
Totally!
>
> >
> > "Hate sites for other religions, other persuasions are omitted from
> > search results -- as they should be! It's prejudicial to include
hate-sites
> > that denigrate Scientology. (Please find another example besides
Judaism;
> > it gets overloaded as a comparison point.)"
>
> This finally gets to the point of critical sites. Back up one step to how
people
> get to them. Third party. Person searching - search engine - critical
website.
> It's such an old argument.
It's stupid, really. If their 'religion' was on the up and up, why would
they care ~what~ people said? The hard corp truth is their is INFORMATION
(Facts, documents, etc) that is 100% opposite of what they insist to be
true. They CAN'T let the members see this. If they do, they end up leaving,
as I did.
>
> >
> > They are to send their emails to:
> >
> > Google: comm...@google.com
> > Yahoo: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/abuse/cgi_abuse
> > Lycos: ab...@tripod.com
> > Netscape: http://wp.netscape.com/feedback/general.html
> > AOL: http://www.aol.com/info/feedback.html
> >
> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >
> > And, true to form of course, they're keeping stats of how many emails
were
> > sent out and any responses they get reporting back to Jon **** at
> > reac...@attbi.com.
> >
> > Just thought you'd want to know!
> > End of E-mail.
> >
> > PS:
> > This post was made by Tory Christman who used to be in Scientology for
30
> > years, and worked with their Office of
> > Special Affairs for 20 years as a volunteer.
> >
<<<snip my words>>>
>
> Thank you Tory.
You are most welcome!
It's sad to see the manipulation of these members. From your
> words, others words, things have not changed.
Yah...it really is too bad, but as I said, they HAVE to do this. It's their
only 'solution' really. They ~have~ to keep the members from seeing all the
facts. It's just too many lies, for too many years.
This is why things happen often
> by accident or those unaware. The power in numbers here is a perversion,
> especially when the leaders are not in the picture. The real issue at hand
is
> not on the table at all. That is how alot of issues are avoiding of
> responsibility and. It is not on the up and up and it is a backwards
stealthy
> way to teach people to manipulate free speech.
Very true....and corrupt.
Members suffer for not getting
> with this program as written in all these materials. The very materials
ans
> stories they are being asked to hateful and have removed! Quite an obvious
> project. Every action like this perpetuates the cycle even further.
Soooo true!
>
> This could be yet another footbullet as well.
Could be??? eerrrrr....I can guarantee, with OSA, it is a major "Flap" (or
huge upset) that will be of course kept quiet, and only amongst the few who
will now have longer "Tailor made" Sec Checks...with specific questions re
"who told?"
You can only be on the train to stop free speech so long, and one gets
thirsty for the truth. Suddenly people find the train stop,
and their own way to hop off.
Thanks Feisty!
Tory/Magoo!
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Lisa McPherson. Stacy Moxon Meyer. Susan Meister.
>
>Sadly, and respectfully, they are dead and cannot speak.
>I went through their medical malpractice routine, where I had
>to get off of much needed medication, and as my mother thankfully insisted,
>"Tory--these people are going to Kill you if you keep doing what they say".
>I returned to taking the medicine I needed, and stopped having Grand
>MalSeizures they'd stood around and watched, (and then told me for 30 years
>I was "PTS" for having them! ) that were extremely damaging.
>
>I'm here to say, if anyone thinks Scientology doesn't practice medical
>Malpractice, or those people "just happened"...
>come speak with ME.
You should write a declaration like Charlotte Kates has done. Otherwise it
is just a collection of postings. Here, have a look a this and I strongly
urge you to make one too: http://members.aol.com/clkates/affidavit.html
Mike Gormez
Magoo
"Michael 'Mike' Gormez" <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message
> In article <m8dsa.61440$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> ,
> "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> Lisa McPherson. Stacy Moxon Meyer. Susan Meister.
> >
> >Sadly, and respectfully, they are dead and cannot speak.
> >I went through their medical malpractice routine, where I had
> >to get off of much needed medication, and as my mother thankfully
insisted,
> >"Tory--these people are going to Kill you if you keep doing what they
say".
> >I returned to taking the medicine I needed, and stopped having Grand
> >MalSeizures they'd stood around and watched, (and then told me for 30
years
> >I was "PTS" for having them! ) that were extremely damaging.
> >
> >I'm here to say, if anyone thinks Scientology doesn't practice medical
> >Malpractice, or those people "just happened"...
> >come speak with ME.
>
> You should write a declaration like Charlotte Kates has done. Otherwise it
> is just a collection of postings. Here, have a look a this and I strongly
> urge you to make one too: http://members.aol.com/clkates/affidavit.html
I have. I belive it's on www.xenu.net
I'll go check, but I did write a full affidavit.
Thanks :)
Tory/Magoo!
Magoo
"Michael 'Mike' Gormez" <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote in message
> In article <m8dsa.61440$cO3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> ,
> "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> Lisa McPherson. Stacy Moxon Meyer. Susan Meister.
> >
> >Sadly, and respectfully, they are dead and cannot speak.
> >I went through their medical malpractice routine, where I had
> >to get off of much needed medication, and as my mother thankfully
insisted,
> >"Tory--these people are going to Kill you if you keep doing what they
say".
> >I returned to taking the medicine I needed, and stopped having Grand
> >MalSeizures they'd stood around and watched, (and then told me for 30
years
> >I was "PTS" for having them! ) that were extremely damaging.
> >
> >I'm here to say, if anyone thinks Scientology doesn't practice medical
> >Malpractice, or those people "just happened"...
> >come speak with ME.
>
> You should write a declaration like Charlotte Kates has done. Otherwise it
> is just a collection of postings. Here, have a look a this and I strongly
> urge you to make one too: http://members.aol.com/clkates/affidavit.html
> Operation Clambake present:
Affidavit 2
I , Tory Christman, declare as follows:
My name is Tory Christman, formerly Tory Bezazian.
I am over 18 years of age.
I am writing this of my own free will.
The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called up as a
witness, I can testify competently thereto.
I got into Scientology in 1969 and left in July of 2000. I went there a
young woman, hoping to handle things that bothered me, and learn how to help
others.
Shortly after getting into Scientology I was recruited to join what is known
as The Sea Organization. I was asked to sign a billion year contract,
agreeing I would do whatever was needed to help Ron Hubbard and The Sea Org
(from here on known as the S.O) Clear the Planet.
I was routed to the Bolivar (which was an old tanker ship) located out in LA
harbor, where we were supposed to do ship's training. This lasted a few
weeks, and then we were brought back on land. While in the SO, one is given
a place to sleep and food to eat. Since I had quit college to get into
Scientology, writing my father I had finally found what I wanted to do in
life, I felt I had found my new career.
A few months after joining the Sea Organization I realized I needed to
re-order the medication I was on for Epilepsy. I was routed to a person they
called the Medical Liaison Officer, or the MLO. This was a young man I was
told was studying nutrition. He had no actual medical training that I knew
of. He informed me that I needed to get off of my medication, and that he
would write out a program to get off of it. In Scientology if you have ANY
illness it is considered there is something wrong with you, not just
physically, but that this is a very bad thing, caused by you being connected
to someone who is suppressive to you. At least that was the beginning pitch
I heard.
Being young and totally believing these people, I was ordered onto a "leave
of absence" to get off of my medication. I found a place to live, and began
my program. It consisted of cutting down one table by źth. I never succeeded
farther than that. I began having Grand Mal Seizures at home in the morning,
out on the street by myself, and in the Scientology organizations. This was
living Hell for me.
This went on for I think 3 months. I was losing my memory due to all of the
seizures. I would wake up in the morning and try to dash into the
refrigerator. Daily I would have a petit mal (small seizure), and come to
with all of the vitamins spread out all over the kitchen floor. The lady I
was renting a room from had two children. Constantly they would come in and
find me on the floor, and yell "Mommy, Tory dropped her vitamins again".
This woman was one of the kindest people to me, and I will never forget her.
Her name is Mary Jessup, and she was married previously to Nate Jessup. All
during this time the Scientologists were very evaluative to me, and many
treated me like a leper, but not Mary. She was always very compassionate.
She had left Scientology some time earlier.
Finally one morning in the shower I knocked my front teeth out during a
Grand Mal seizure. All during this time my mother was begging me to go back
on all of my medication. Being new in Scientology, I assured her Dianetics
and Scientology would handle this. Finally, after so many seizures and so
much trauma, I realized no matter what these people thought, I wasn't going
to live if I kept doing this. At that point I decided to go back on my
medication in full, no matter what.
I went over to the MLO and told him my decision. Now remember I really had
my heart set on being a Sea Org member. This was what I wanted to do with my
life. He assured me in no uncertain terms that now I was not fit for the Sea
Org, if I needed to take this medication. He routed me to Ethics who
informed me I was now considered a Freeloader, and they gave me a bill in
the thousands for leaving.
After much arguing, I finally told them I wanted a pen and paper as I was
writing Hubbard. He wrote me back and informed me I was not a Freeloader and
that was incorrect. I needed to pay for the 2 courses I had then taken and
"continue getting auditing in the HGC and we will see you up the line". It
was because of this that I so rigorously tried for another 26 years to
handle or get rid of Epilepsy. Of course never did!
Once out of the Sea Org, I decided I needed to get trained to figure out why
these people were so weird and insisting I needed to do something so stupid.
I figured if I was trained I could then understand. I trained up to Grad 4
auditor, interned at Celebrity Center in LA. It was during this time that I
met my husband, and in 1974 we were married.
I joined staff at Celebrity Center as an auditor. I loved auditing, and this
was probably my happiest time in Scientology. I felt I was finally doing
what I had come into Scientology for: helping other people. But typical of
Scientology, they are always changing things. I was what was called a
non-sea org staff member.
After about 6 months someone cancelled all NSO (non-sea org) contracts, and
once again I was let go. As bad as this was, AOLA was hiring NSO staff, so I
went over there. I audited there until I was about 8 months pregnant, at
which point I left staff to have our son.
I attest to what at that time had come out as "natural Clear". Now Clear is
supposedly where you have perfect memory, no somatics, and etc. From all the
seizures I now had a horrible memory, and of course still had Epilepsy, but
somehow it was indicated I was natural Clear, and I attested. This later
came to haunt me, as I never really felt like I had achieved the state of
Clear. Later, after I left, I found out this is common amongst many people
who had attested to Clear. There really are not any Clears, per the
definition. But Scientologists get around this with ... that was only on
your FIRST dynamic (related to self). DUH~ errrrr, are there pains I have
that aren't connected to me??? Well, Hubbard covered that too.
OK... I did up through OT 3 and I will say I had huge wins on this level. I
will explain how this worked FOR ME. I think it is very different for each
person, but this is how it worked for me. In my teens as I have posted, I
was looking for truth. While looking, one day I started having "Petit Mals"
(or tiny seizures), and later a Grand Mal Seizure. Now doctors to this day
don't really know what causes seizures, and certainly not me. However, I did
know for me a Grand Mal seizure felt like I had died. When I would return, I
would have absolutely no memory of anything, and I had often wondered if I
had sort of died, and then returned. Now I am reading the OT 3 info, and
Hubbard mentioned while getting close to these incidents, HE NEARLY DIED!!!
To the average person this may seem like a huge leap, but in Scientology you
are sort of taught or brought along early on to make these leaps. So with
that in mind, suddenly I realized why I had this horrible thing called
Epilepsy! It wasn't just some physical condition as the doctors had tried to
tell me early on. It was due to theses things called Body Thetans or
Clusters (groups of Body Thetans or 'BT's who were stuck to me). This was an
amazing revelation for me and excited me greatly. If you have ever seen a
Grand Mal Seizure you are familiar with their overwhelming power and
uncontrollability. The force was amazing to me and I used to wonder all the
time, what could POSSILBY have caused all of this? Suddenly I had what I
thought was the true answer! Before I continue, Please let me say that this
was one of the worst things for me in Scientology. People were ALWAYS asking
me if I had gotten rid of Epilepsy? It was horrible, as it is assumed it is
not physical, or even if it is, Hubbard says all physical problems are
caused by the spirit... thus assuming one SHOULD be able to "fix" it.
Finally, at last I had found out why. So even though OT 3 is completely
weird and a space opera story... I was so ready for ANYTHING, that this
filled the bill. If it nearly killed Hubbard, the master of all everything,
why not give me Epilepsy? See?
Actually on OT 3 I had great wins, or successes. Each session I felt like I
was getting rid of the cause of this thing that had stopped me from doing my
life's work (Clearing the planet in the Sea Org). Also, I was now finally
going OT I thought. OT is a state where you are supposed to be Cause over
Matter, Energy, Space and Time. That is what the original definition stated.
So if I were to achieve OT, I would be done with Seizures, one would think.
After attesting to OT 3, I once again tried to get off of my medication,
only to end up in a hospital with status epileptis, or many seizures. I
finally went back on all medication, and have stayed on it, and have never
had a seizure since.
I continued in Scientology for years after this. Scientology now has
numerous signs all over their "Churches" stating "Scientology does not cure
people and IF you have a medical problem, to go see a Doctor". However, in
truth they were still implying that all I needed was "The next level" to
finally "handle" (their word for get rid of) Epilepsy.
In 1989 I arrived to Flag in Clearwater, Florida to do OT 4-8 which my
mother-in-law had given to me and my husband for our 'inheritance'. When you
arrive to do any service there one must do what is known as a "routing
form". This routes you around to various people. I got to a 15 year old
Italian young man who was supposed to be the Master-At-Arms (or head of
Ethics) and he told me, "You are not allowed on the Flag Land Base".
This totally surprised me, and I didn't actually find out why until I left
Scientology in the year 2000 and finally read what ~actually~ happened.
(Someone about one month earlier was there and had Epilepsy, and they had
made him stop his medication. He died there). However, in 1989 I didn't know
this, and insisted he was wrong.
Long story short, I fought ALL of the technical people there and insisted my
folders be sent up to RTC (the top Management/Technical people). After one
month of reviewing my situation, the Senior Case Supervisor called Flag and
told them I had a FULL Ok to do all of the levels up to OT 8. They also sent
a full Cram (Correction) for every single Technical terminal there re
medication, and they wrote a Senior C/S International bulletin, and I'm the
first example. It basically says if someone has tried to get off of
medication and they cannot, and they have an OK from their Doctor, they
should not be stopped from getting auditing.
That was my final "win" re medication, after 20 years of fighting with them.
I then stayed on what is known as "OT" 7 for 7 years, again trying to
"handle" Epilepsy, to no avail, of course.
Once I finally woke up and realized this was one gigantic sham, I have been
free ever since. However I continue to speak out in hopes ANY ONE with any
physical problems stay miles and miles away from Scientology. I cannot tell
you how many people I know who have died from lack of correct medical help,
who were supposed "OT's".
I attest that the above is true.
Tory Christman
January, 2001
Revised: February, 2003
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Brought to you by:
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >I'm here to say, if anyone thinks Scientology doesn't practice medical
>> >Malpractice, or those people "just happened"...
>> >come speak with ME.
>>
>> You should write a declaration like Charlotte Kates has done. Otherwise it
>> is just a collection of postings. Here, have a look a this and I strongly
>> urge you to make one too: http://members.aol.com/clkates/affidavit.html
>
>I have. I belive it's on www.xenu.net
>I'll go check, but I did write a full affidavit.
Here it is, I did a search after your later posting (just took a line, put
that in quotes and dumped in google)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/tory/affidavit2.html
Great! I'll added it to my affidavits section later, toghether with the
Ariane en Kathryn/Nancy personal story.
ShyDavid
<mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
> In article <3eb0...@news2.lightlink.com> , ShyDavid (ShyDavid) wrote:
> >My questions are, and have been for years, *WHO?* *WHERE?* *WHEN?* The
> >crime syndicate's propaganda makes these claims, but never actually
> >gets around to producing any evidence that the claims are correct.
> Here, in this affidavit the claim some stuff
> http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/affidavit-pk.htm
Thank you---- I will read it in a few minutes and maybe it will
provide actual names, dates, and locations. If so, it would be a
first!
> Btw, I don't know who and how to ask, but I searched for Kellerhals
> affidavit and also saw this page below, but it is a mess because it
> misses the <pre> tag and has an <ul> tag instead - many of the files are
> like that, which can be easily fixed with a search and replace program.
> http://www.holysmoke.org/minton/mintonmm.htm
Otch, yes, and thank you for reminding me. I have over 2,000 such web
pages: the program I wrote to make the pages did not do a very good
job. My new program now appends <p> after periods, question marks, and
exclaimation points. I will indeed do the search-and-replace fix.
> Mike Gormez
>
> - Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net
> - 'Religious' child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
> - Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
> - The hearing transcripts http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
---
ShyDavid
<clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
> ShyDavid wrote:
> > Consider the following sentence that Scientology customers are
> > supposed to use, in various versions:
> >
> > "Scientologists have suffered personal violence and
> > bloodshed in Europe and the USA.
> >
> > My questions are, and have been for years, *WHO?* *WHERE?* *WHEN?* The
> > crime syndicate's propaganda makes these claims, but never actually
> > gets around to producing any evidence that the claims are correct.
> Lisa McPherson. Stacy Moxon Meyer. Susan Meister.
Touché. Damn that hurts.
ShyDavid
> On Thu, 01 May 2003 13:50:19 +0200, Michael 'Mike' Gormez
> <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
> > Here, in this affidavit the claim some stuff
> > http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/affidavit-pk.htm
> Thank you---- I will read it in a few minutes and maybe it will
> provide actual names, dates, and locations. If so, it would be a
> first!
I read the document again, and was vastly dissapointed. Nothing in
there but vague claims and anecdotes. "A neighbor heard_______" (fill
in the blank). If the alledged events occured, one would think
Scientology Inc. would use the resultant police reports in their
propaganda mill.
ShyDavid
> Michael 'Mike' Gormez wrote:
All your traffic is belong to us!
> Ron of that ilk.
Michael 'Mike' Gormez
O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote:
>> >I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
>>
>> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
>> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
>>
>> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
>> to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
>
>Don't forget fark.com they often list Scientology articles. I submitted
>that URL.
Indeed http://www.totalfark.com/ has picked it up, the logs show.
Mike O'Connor
Michael 'Mike' Gormez <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
> In article <mike-A71E1D.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , Mike
> O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
> >>
> >> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
> >> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
> >>
> >> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit it
> >> to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
> >
> >Don't forget fark.com they often list Scientology articles. I submitted
> >that URL.
>
> Indeed http://www.totalfark.com/ has picked it up, the logs show.
Yeah but they didn't put it into the main page, probably because I can't
come up with a funny headline. Anyone got a funny headline for this
article?
Magoo
"Mike O'Connor" <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
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> In article <2lk5bv0h92rct92r5...@4ax.com>,
> Michael 'Mike' Gormez <mik...@SPAMwhyaretheydead.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <mike-A71E1D.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> , Mike
> > O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> >I wish someone would get this into Slashdot.
> > >>
> > >> It is not yet archived by Google, so I've put it here
> > >> http://whyaretheydead.net/scn-plan.txt
> > >>
> > >> I've allocated 5 gig of traffic to it in case someone wants to submit
it
> > >> to Slashdot. That ought to be enough.
> > >
> > >Don't forget fark.com they often list Scientology articles. I submitted
> > >that URL.
> >
> > Indeed http://www.totalfark.com/ has picked it up, the logs show.
>
> Yeah but they didn't put it into the main page, probably because I can't
> come up with a funny headline. Anyone got a funny headline for this
> article?
Master Plans Go Thud In the Night?
Tory/Magoo!>
Magoo
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