Did Mark Rathbun really leave Scientology?

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Did Mark Rathbun truly leave Scientology?

This is an email being circulated by Scientologist's.
Trying to influence voters.

It's rather long, sorry.

----Forwarded Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Sep 11, 2008 XXXX AM
To: XXXXXXXXX
Subject: FW: Where do Obama and McCain stand on government-paid mental
health?

This is a very narrowly defined email. It does not address any of the
other political issues you see publicized; just this one: If you feel
our government should mandate "mental health screenings," and then
require individuals to take psychiatric drugs—often at taxpayer expense
—please read the below. The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture
psychiatric drugs promote these measures as they foresee masses of
mandatory new prescriptions for which taxpayers have absorbed their
marketing costs (the required screenings).

Background Data

The "New Freedom Commission on Mental Health"

The New Freedom Commission on Mental Health is the substance in a 93-
page report put together by the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry in
2003 as a recommendation to the President for mental health plans in
the US.

The only words to describe the recommendations of this report are
"Orwellian" and horrifying.

This plan lays out detailed programs to screen all Americans for
mental "disorders" and includes
recommended drug treatment plans. It includes specific mental health
screening programs for the elderly, all military personnel, all U.S.
school children, drug addicts (and redefining drug addiction as a
mental "disease") the poor, screening all pregnant women and infants,
(the Mothers Act and another bill detailed below) specific drug
treatment "flow charts," mental health "parity" (equal coverage for
mental illness as for physical illness/disease) and more.

It also includes a comprehensive drug plan, which is basically a flow
chart of psychiatric drugs --
essentially "try this drug; if it fails, try this other drug; if that
fails, combine drugs; if that fails…move to electroshock."

Please keep this in mind when reading the following data.

More on the New Freedom Commission (from Wikipedia):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Freedom_Commission_on_Mental_Health

Raw Data: Obama vs. McCain

The Mothers Act:

This is a bill that calls for mental health screening and "treatment"
of all pregnant women
and those who have recently given birth.

Obama is one of 10 co-sponsors.

McCain is not.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01375:@@@P

More information on the Mothers Act:

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/803007275.html

Obama: "Mental health screenings for all troops"

In remarks prepared for delivery on Sunday, the Illinois Democrat
proposed changes to
recruitment and deployment of military mental health providers. He
called for the Pentagon
to recruit more professionals to help identify and treat problems. And
he seeks mandatory
mental health screenings of all troops.

According to Obama's plan, the military would require face-to-face
mental health screenings
for all service members. By making it mandatory, Obama said the
military could reduce the
stigma associated with mental health screening and treatment.

The plan also would institute early mental health screenings so future
psychological injuries
could be more easily diagnosed and treated.

http://www.thenewhampshireprimary.com/news/2007_05_28_news_1.html

McCain opposes this bill.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_Record_of_Blocking_Veterans_Health_Funding

Obama on McCain: "I have great respect for John McCain's service to
this country and I know
he loves it dearly and honors those who serve. But he is one of the
few Senators of either party
who oppose this bill."

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/05/12/in_charleston_obama_vows_to_ke.php

Mental Health "Parity"

Obama: "I am a longtime supporter of mental health parity. I helped
pass the Illinois mental health parity law. And my national public
health plan will include coverage of all essential medical services,
including preventive, maternity and mental health care. I strongly
support mental health fairness and parity of mental health coverage in
all federal health programs. I cosponsored the Mental Health Parity
Act of 2007 and I am a supporter of the bipartisan Paul Wellstone
Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007. Similarly, I believe
in prohibiting group health plans from imposing treatment or financial
limitations on mental health and substance related disorder benefits
that are different from those applied to medical or surgical services.
I am also committed to ensuring that Americans with disabilities or
mental
illness receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low cost,
effective and timely manner."

http://www.yourcandidatesyourhealth.org/profile.php?c_id=MjU1MjQx

McCain has voted against mental health parity and, in his health care
plan on his website, makes no mention of mental health as an issue.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/02436/44844/247/588598

Mental Health Screening of Low-Income Families

"Barack Obama would expand the highly successful Nurse-Family
Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers. The Nurse-Family
Partnership provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-
income expectant mothers and their families. The trained nurses use
proven methods to help improve the mental and physical health of the
family by providing counseling on substance abuse, creating and
achieving personal goals, and effective methods of nurturing
children."

http://www.nationalplatforms.com/candidates/barack_obama.html

More information on the Nurse-Family Partnership: "Early detection and
treatment of mental disorders can result in a substantially shorter
and less disabling course of illness. As the mental health field
becomes increasingly able to identify the early antecedents of mental
illnesses at any age, interventions must be implemented, provided in
multiple settings, and connected to treatment and supports.

"Early interventions, such as the Nurse-Family Partnership, and
educational efforts can help a greater number of parents, the public,
and providers learn about the importance of the first years of a
child's life and how to establish a foundation for healthy social and
emotional development. Quality screening and early intervention should
occur in readily accessible, low-stigma settings, such as primary
health care facilities and schools, and in settings where a high level
of risk for mental health problems exists, such as juvenile justice
and child welfare."

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/FullReport-05.htm

Side-by-Side Comparison

Obama's and McCain's Positions on Mental Health Care

http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions-on-mental-health-care/

The above is an excellent article comparing the two candidates. Here
are some excerpts:

Barack Obama's position on mental health issues as stated in his
health care plan:

Obama specifically includes mental health care in his health care
plan. It states: Improve Mental
Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American
families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that
untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per
year.
As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage
for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and
conditions as other illnesses and diseases.

John McCain's position on mental health issues as stated in his health
care plan:

McCain's health care plan does not mention mental health.

Obama and McCain on H.R. 1424/S558 "Paul Wellstone Mental Health and
Addiction Equity Act
of 2007? Bill:

Obama co-sponsored, along with 56 others, the bipartisan Senate's S558
version of H.R. 1424
"Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007? bill.

McCain did not sponsor the bill. The White House is opposed to it.

In Their Own Words

Barack Obama:

"As you may know, mental illness affects approximately one in five
American families, and we
must do more address this issue. The National Alliance on Mental
Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more
than $100 billion per year. As a member of the Senate Health,
Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) Committee, I worked to improve
mental health services for people with serious problems who are going
untreated and undiagnosed.

"It is important to end discrimination against those with mental
illness, and that's why I support
the bipartisan Paul Wellstone (D-MN) Mental Health and Addiction
Equity Act of 2007, an updated version of legislation that Senator
Wellstone championed for over a decade in Congress. This bill works to
end discrimination against people suffering from mental illness and
addiction.

"I also support mental health parity. When suicide is responsible for
more deaths in America than AIDS and homicides combined, we must act.
That's why I have championed efforts to improve awareness of mental
illnesses and provide timely and appropriate treatment, and why I
cosponsored the Mental Health Parity Act of 2007. Parity means that we
don't allow group health plans to impose treatment or financial
limitations on mental health benefits that are different from those
applied to medical or surgical services. The bill closes the loopholes
that allow discrimination in coverage that does not apply to other
illnesses.

"I'm proud of my record on this issue. I helped pass mental a health
[sic] parity bill as an Illinois
state senator that requires coverage for serious mental illnesses to
be provided on the same terms and conditions as are applicable to
other illnesses and diseases."

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/obama-on-mental-health-care/

John McCain:

"The next President will face a great challenge due to the rising cost
of health care of all types.
America has the finest doctors and medical science, and the treatment
of mental health has shared in these advances. However, as with other
aspects of our health care system, spending on mental and behavioral
health treatments is rising rapidly. The challenge is to ensure high
quality care, establish incentives to control the growth of costs, and
thereby permit greater affordable choices.

…

"A sensible goal is to design reimbursement for taking care of the
whole patient, whatever ails
them, and recognize the essential role mental health treatment plays
in the overall health of the
patient and the reduction in physical health needs.

"I have stressed the central role of personal responsibility in
leading to lower health care costs.
Personal fitness and better lifestyles, especially reduction in
addictions of all types – food,
narcotics, or cigarettes – can yield dramatic improvements in the cost
of chronic illness and
high-cost medical care. We can do a better job of treating addictions,
but we also have an
obligation to do a better job of teaching our children the benefits of
good lifestyles and the
perils of addictive activities."

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/mccain-on-mental-health-care/

The VPs

Joe Biden: Redefining Drug Abuse and Alcohol Abuse as a Mental Illness
and Changing
the Names of Government Organizations to Reflect This

A bill introduced by Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) that would define addiction
as a brain disease
is moving in the Senate. Treatment professionals, mainstream
scientists, and recovery
advocates see it as a good thing. There are some skeptics, though. The
bill, the Recognizing
Addiction as a Disease Act of 2007 (S. 1011), would also change the
name of the National
Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) to the National Institute on Diseases
of Addiction, and
change the name of the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and
Alcoholism to the National
Institute on Alcohol Disorders and Health. "Addiction is a
neurobiological disease -- not a
lifestyle choice -- and it's about time we start treating it as such,"
said Sen. Biden in a statement when he introduced this bill this
spring.

"We must lead by example and change the names of our federal research
institutes to
accurately reflect this reality. By changing the way we talk about
addiction, we change the
way people think about addiction, both of which are critical steps in
getting past the social
stigma too often associated with the disease."

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking07/BrainDisease.html

Gov. Sarah Palin has no national record on introducing legislation on
mental health
issues.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-mental-health-psychology-issues?pp=0

Conclusion: Who Do Psychs Pick?

From PsychCentral.com:

"Based upon our findings, we'd have to say the stronger mental health
and psychology
candidate is Obama. Whereas McCain tends to support mental health
causes when in the
majority, he doesn't appear to go out on a limb for anything in the
areas of mental health
or psychological sciences funding. Obama, on the other hand, has co-
sponsored a major
piece of Senate legislation in mental health (mental health parity)
and shows he understands
the stigma still associated with mental health issues in his co-
sponsorship of the Mothers Act."

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-mental-health-psychology-issues?pp=0

From AnxietyPanicHealth.com:

"McCain does not mention mental health care in his health care plan,
and his approach to
it is not clear. His response to the National Alliance on Mental
Illness questionnaire seems to
combine mental and physical health together in a more holistic
approach. He states that he
would, 'where possible provide incentives to treat physical and
behavioral health together.'
This implies that he would favor the first line care of mental health
issues to be handled by
family physicians or primary care doctors rather than by mental health
professionals."

http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions-on-mental-health-care/

From "Psychiatrists for Obama":

"We are a group of psychiatrists who support Obama and his positions
on ensuring effective
mental health care for the disenfranchised. Adequate access to
treatment for mental illness and
addiction is our main concern in this regard."

http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/PsychiatristsforObama

From DailyKos.com:

"Obama co-sponsored and voted for mental health parity bill that
requires coverage for serious
mental illnesses to be provided on the same terms and conditions as
are applicable to other
illnesses and diseases. McCain has voted against mental health parity
and, in his health care 'plan' on his website makes no mention of
mental health as an issue.

"The choice is very clear if one cares about this issue."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/02436/44844/247/588598

Out_Of_The_Dark

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> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_Record_of_Blocking_Veteran...

> http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/FullReport-...

>
> Side-by-Side Comparison
>
> Obama's and McCain's Positions on Mental Health Care
>

> http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions...

> http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-m...

>
> Conclusion: Who Do Psychs Pick?
>
> From PsychCentral.com:
>
> "Based upon our findings, we'd have to say the stronger mental health
> and psychology
> candidate is Obama. Whereas McCain tends to support mental health
> causes when in the
> majority, he doesn't appear to go out on a limb for anything in the
> areas of mental health
> or psychological sciences funding. Obama, on the other hand, has co-
> sponsored a major
> piece of Senate legislation in mental health (mental health parity)
> and shows he understands
> the stigma still associated with mental health issues in his co-
> sponsorship of the Mothers Act."
>

> http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-m...

>
> From AnxietyPanicHealth.com:
>
> "McCain does not mention mental health care in his health care plan,
> and his approach to
> it is not clear. His response to the National Alliance on Mental
> Illness questionnaire seems to
> combine mental and physical health together in a more holistic
> approach. He states that he
> would, 'where possible provide incentives to treat physical and
> behavioral health together.'
> This implies that he would favor the first line care of mental health
> issues to be handled by
> family physicians or primary care doctors rather than by mental health
> professionals."
>

> http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions...

>
> From "Psychiatrists for Obama":
>
> "We are a group of psychiatrists who support Obama and his positions
> on ensuring effective
> mental health care for the disenfranchised. Adequate access to
> treatment for mental illness and
> addiction is our main concern in this regard."
>
> http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/PsychiatristsforObama
>
> From DailyKos.com:
>
> "Obama co-sponsored and voted for mental health parity bill that
> requires coverage for serious
> mental illnesses to be provided on the same terms and conditions as
> are applicable to other
> illnesses and diseases. McCain has voted against mental health parity
> and, in his health care 'plan' on his website makes no mention of
> mental health as an issue.
>
> "The choice is very clear if one cares about this issue."
>

> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/02436/44844/247/588598- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What does this have to do with Rathbun and whether he really left
Scientology?

Sounds more to me like an off topic 'opportunity' for you to drag
politics into this group and push for your own agenda, as I know you
stand to gain financially if more funds are available for mental
health services, being in the business you are in.

So explain how this has to do with Mark Rathbun and whether he really
left?
Nothing. Mark is accessable. Why not just ask him if he's out and
available to help you in your agenda? Here is how to contact the man:

Mark Rathbun
PO Box 0269
Ingleside, TX 78362-0269

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Fear Not

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On Oct 12, 10:51 am, Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Texas) ...www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/z_Corpus-Christi_TX_25/Business/Cons...
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=361-249-6800&btnG=Google+Search

Thanks Mary. That actually helps!

BarbaraSc...@excite.com

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Oct 13, 2008, 10:03:11 AM10/13/08

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On Oct 12, 9:59 am, Fear Not <tpl...@msn.com> wrote:
> DidMarkRathbuntruly leave Scientology?

Of course not. The original Mark Rathbun is and will be always a
Scientologist.

However, now not only Scientologists are critical of p$chiatry. Other
people learned the truth in the meantime that L. Ron Hubbard
discovered about the p$ychs.

Again, posted many times already: the eyes and the feel of a loving
woman says that the reporter in Texas is not the original Marty
Rathbun. The latter is still missing. The Vistaril guy who was not L.
Ron Hubbard either.

Just the original counts. A doppelganger never can replace the
incredible and one and only original.

I have seen Doppelganger (German word, because they clone, organize
and run them) who looked so much like me that EVEN I THOUGHT IN THE
BEGINNING that somebody took a picture of my face and doctored it on
another body.

Am I really the only person who can't be fooled by the German secret
service?

Barbara Schwarz

>
> This is an email being circulated by Scientologist's.
> Trying to influence voters.
>

> It's rather long, sorry.----Forwarded Message-----

> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_s_Record_of_Blocking_Veteran...

> http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/FullReport-...

>
> Side-by-Side Comparison
>
> Obama's and McCain's Positions on Mental Health Care
>

> http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions...

> http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-m...

>
> Conclusion: Who Do Psychs Pick?
>
> From PsychCentral.com:
>
> "Based upon our findings, we'd have to say the stronger mental health
> and psychology
> candidate is Obama. Whereas McCain tends to support mental health
> causes when in the
> majority, he doesn't appear to go out on a limb for anything in the
> areas of mental health
> or psychological sciences funding. Obama, on the other hand, has co-
> sponsored a major
> piece of Senate legislation in mental health (mental health parity)
> and shows he understands
> the stigma still associated with mental health issues in his co-
> sponsorship of the Mothers Act."
>

> http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/09/07/mccain-vs-obama-on-m...

>
> From AnxietyPanicHealth.com:
>
> "McCain does not mention mental health care in his health care plan,
> and his approach to
> it is not clear. His response to the National Alliance on Mental
> Illness questionnaire seems to
> combine mental and physical health together in a more holistic
> approach. He states that he
> would, 'where possible provide incentives to treat physical and
> behavioral health together.'
> This implies that he would favor the first line care of mental health
> issues to be handled by
> family physicians or primary care doctors rather than by mental health
> professionals."
>

> http://anxietypanichealth.com/2008/08/06/obamas-and-mccains-positions...

BarbaraSc...@excite.com

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Oct 13, 2008, 10:31:22 AM10/13/08

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On Oct 12, 9:59 am, Fear Not <tpl...@msn.com> wrote:
> DidMarkRathbuntruly leave Scientology?

This posting is confusing as you say now that Mark Rathbun supports
John McCain while many of you posted that he even runs a campaign for
Barack Obama. Can you Scientology haters get at least your stories
straight?

Anyway, I strongly assume that John McCain is not too found of p$ychs
because he knows them. I read that a p$ych said that John McCain would
rather consult a confidant but a psychiatrist if he had to solve a
problem. That is more my kind of President than those who lie down on
their couch and getting wired by them.

Do your homework: Former President Dwight David Eisenhower did not
support p$ychs either. I have all reasons to believe that many of his
writings against the p$ychs were removed by a German p$ych infiltrated
US government but there are remnants left which clearly say that he
very opposed to p$ychs.

I don't have anything against Barack Obama but according to his voting
records he is pro p$ychs, and we all know how bad the p$ychs are
(Estabrook confirmed that p$ychs have the tech to create enemies of
the USA) and he runs for the wrong party, and the Scientologist who
wrote this e-mail is right. Democrats usually support p$ychs, which
does not mean that an alleged Republican and p$ych infiltrator would
not support p$ychs too.
Remember Tipper Gore and her crusade for the p$ychs!? That was scary!

Susan Eisenhower supports now Obama. (Not what Ike would have done.)
I rather would support John McCain who probably would say as
unfriendly as I to the p$ychs: "Get out of my face, will you?" ;)
Guess we all are disappointed in President Bush but this is no reason
to vote for Obama who throws money and power to p$ychs.

Barbara Schwarz

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http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/

Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.

COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm

BarbaraSc...@excite.com

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I don't think that it is wise for a presidental or vice presidential
candidate to appear on Saturday Night Life. It is not presidential.
In view of such mistakes, we can count indeed rather with the election
of Barack. But who explains to him that the p$ychs are indeed as evil
as those who know them say they are?

Barbara Schwarz

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Tilman Hausherr and Korey Jerome Kruse

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
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