Shooting the Messenger
xganon
I am sure that the Cult of $cientology is just laughing and laughing and
laughing. They know the truth. You have been told the truth, but for some
reason, you cannot seem to bring yourself to believe it. At the very least,
you could ask Stacy Brooks if what I am saying is true. But you do not and
in fact you choose to shoot the messenger.
The truth is unpleasant. But what is even more unpleasant is how some
people cannot bring themselves to tell the truth to others. There are a
number of people on this newsgroup who have lauded the LMT to the skies.
It will be a bad day for them when Stacy tearfully comes on a.r.s and
posts her swan song to Clearwater. Trust me, that day is coming. You
read it here first.
(Now, of course, Stacy won't post a swan song, but rather just pack up
and go in the middle of the night, leaving many to wonder what happened.)
It will be then, and only then, that you will realize that you have been
manipulated by a professional victim who chose divisiveness over dedication.
Namaste.
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Hey, anonymous idiot, IF there is any truth in what you'd posted,
then a)where is your proof (hint, repeating an assertion mindlessly
over and over does not equal "proof") and b) so what?
If Minton got himself another hobby tomorrow most of us who oppose
CofS will still be here. We'll have to get another hobby when (*)
bites the dust, but trolls like you will go on forever.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4 with clam cluster, Official Wiccan Chaplain
ARSCC(wdne)
"Hubbard is a dead fat fraud who started a "religion" to make money,
and Miscavige is a wheezing dwarf who
makes insane outbursts about public buggery in court. There are no
OTs , and Xenu rules." That should be good for -25 stats points,
right OSA?
(find out what this means at www.clambake.org )
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Elizabeth Ann Cox
activities. I suggest you find something to read other than the untruths
published by your cult. I urge you to learn the truth, nevertheless, I fear
you will not.
Second, if Bob and Stacy did decide they had reached their limit with
dealing with this criminal organization, who could blame them? I certainly
would not. The wonderful thing about critics is that while our lives may
change, and we come and go, each generation of critics chip away at the
cult. If all of us on this NG were to disappear for any reason, a new
generation would arise to take our place. Just as a new generation of
trolls and org shrews would emerge. Life is not stagnant, despite attempts
by the cult to remove the beauty and joy from life. Rather, it is ever
changing, ever evolving, ever more precious and beautiful. I regret that
you have forgotten that.
You appear to equate dedication with zealotry. These are not the same. You
post with the fervor of a zealot. Zealots burn out after a while. While
they may burn brilliantly for a while, they diminish rapidly, extinguish,
and are forgotten. Regardless of the future of the LMT, its officers, its
staff, they will not be forgotten. Rather, they will be remembered as a
group of courageous individuals who launched an assault upon the beachhead
that is Clearwater. This requires courage, dedication, and tenacity.
Unfortunately, I am uncertain if you understood what I have just said, as
these are qualities you neither possess nor understand. Others on this NG
do, however, and understand what the Trust and the people who dedicate their
life there really do.
There is no need to shoot you as the messenger. It is pointless to shoot a
corpse, as that is what you essentially are. You are a zombie, moving in
tune to a dead master's bidding, ordered by inheritors of tech created by a
warped mind, delegated to minions without heart and soul.
--
Elizabeth Ann Cox
FOLO ED ("Flukenet" Online Liaison Office)
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable response to tyranny!
Starshadow <starsh...@home.com> wrote in message
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JimDBB
>From: xganon nob...@xganon.com
>Date: 10/5/01 8:45 PM Central
>DEEP THROAT says:
>
>I am sure that the Cult of $cientology is just laughing and laughing and
>laughing. They know the truth. You have been told the truth, but for some
>reason, you cannot seem to bring yourself to believe it. At the very least,
>you could ask Stacy Brooks if what I am saying is true. But you do not and
>in fact you choose to shoot the messenger.
>
>The truth is unpleasant. But what is even more unpleasant is how some
>people cannot bring themselves to tell the truth to others. There are a
>number of people on this newsgroup who have lauded the LMT to the skies.
>It will be a bad day for them when Stacy tearfully comes on a.r.s and
>posts her swan song to Clearwater. Trust me, that day is coming. You
>read it here first.
>
>(Now, of course, Stacy won't post a swan song, but rather just pack up
>and go in the middle of the night, leaving many to wonder what happened.)
>
>It will be then, and only then, that you will realize that you have been
>manipulated by a professional victim who chose divisiveness over dedication.
>
>Namaste.
Ok...here is the truth. Stacy and Mary DeMoss are lesbian lovers and Bob found
out about it.
Stacy, I'm sorry but DT forced this out of me.
JImdbb
Tommy
"xganon" <nob...@xganon.com> wrote in message
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> DEEP THROAT says:
>
No way would I shoot this messenger - 230gr HydraShoks in .45ACP are
expensive.
$0 .30 per round, in fact.
Not cost effective, you see?
Now go piss on an electric fence.
Tommy
--
Church of $cientology's "ecclesiastical leader" David Miscavige on the
death of Lisa McPherson, a church member locked up until she died:
"At the time I don't think it was really thought to be that
significant an issue. She died. People die."
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"xganon" <nob...@xganon.com> wrote in message
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> DEEP THROAT says:
Nothing worth reading. This troll hides behind an anonymous news posting
service, in the knowledge that some people who actually post worthwhile
entries from xganon would be blocked if one killfiled 'nob...@xganon.com',
and a complaint about this anti-LMT agenda-based spam would not produce a
result as well.
So, all you folks who are posting worthwhile posts that used xganon, stop
using it. Go to hotmail and open an account for the purposes of posting
here, and use it as your Reply To address. Then we can killfile this bozo
and be guaranteed not to block your own posts.
Tigger
that whatever she does is O.K. with you. And Jim DBB, Stacy probably
laughed at your little joke which attempted to obscure the problems she
has.
Will you all be that loyal and supportive when you find out how you have
been used and fooled by Ms Brooks?
Do you think it won't happen or it doesn't matter if she did make fools
of you all?
Just wait and see. Either people who have been asking questions
(including myself) will be proved wrong or you will look like a bunch of
fools for not asking questions a long time ago.
Tigger
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"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL. I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK IT'S
HELL."'
Harry S. Truman (GIVE 'EM HELL, HARRY)
U. S. President
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Tom Padgett
Stacy and Mary are lesbian lovers and Bob found out about it? Really?
Geesh, that's not the story I heard .....Bob and Mike Rinder were
friendly OTs and Mark video taped them fool'n around and Stacy found
out. Goes to show ya, ya can't rely on usenet for facts.
Seriously DEEP THROAT, how does your
actions support the advancement of exposing
the cult of $CN for what it is - not a church but a for profit
international terrorist organization?
Tom
(an "alleged" extreme Christian de-programmer per
ultram...@webtv.net) :-))
Tigger
to help people escape the control and abuses of COS, should nort be
using the same policies as COS, don't you? You don't rerally believe
the ends justify the means, do you?
Tigger
P.S. Do remember that Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Is now the time
to joke about a serioius situation at the LMT?
JimDBB
>From: boobook...@webtv.net (Tigger)
>Date: 10/6/01 7:44 AM Central
>No doubt Stacy appreicates all the unquestioning loyalty and support
>that whatever she does is O.K. with you. And Jim DBB, Stacy probably
>laughed at your little joke which attempted to obscure the problems she
>has.
>Will you all be that loyal and supportive when you find out how you have
>been used and fooled by Ms Brooks?
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about as I have not been "used or
fooledd by Ms Brooks."
JImdbb
Tigger
>JImdbb
Isn't that the same thing you used to say about Jolie Steckhart, Jim?
If I am wrong about Ms Brooks, time will tell, won't it? So why is
everyone afraid to look for the truth of the situation? The sooner the
truth is known, the sooner you can prove I am wrong and give me my just
desserts, can't you?
However if I am right, you would either have been fooled by Ms Books or
have knowingly supported an organization which was not being honest and
ethical.
I am not afraid to look for the truth and take my punishment if I am
wrong. Why are you afraid to look for the truth?
Tigger
Elizabeth Ann Cox
--
Elizabeth Ann Cox
FOLO ED ("Flukenet" Online Liaison Office)
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable response to tyranny!
Tigger <boobook...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Dave Bird
<nob...@xganon.com> writes:
>DEEP THROAT says:
>
>I am sure that the Cult of $cientology is just laughing and laughing and
>laughing. They know the truth. You have been told the truth, but for some
>reason, you cannot seem to bring yourself to believe it. At the very least,
>you could ask Stacy Brooks if what I am saying is true.
We could ask you whether what you're saying is true: specifically,
who are you (if you expect us to believe "your" credibility)
and what proof do you have. I could assert any old crap,
especially if I used a remailer to keep my name of it.....
Say, I reckon David MisCarriage caught syphilis from buggering
his pet goat. Now you have to ring up David MisCarriage and
ask him if it is true. Maybe it will even start a row between
you and him if you do but, hey, that's not MY fault is it??
--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8====3 (O 0) GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL
|n| (COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE).
Tom Padgett
Tigger:
Lighten up. Jim and I were just tossing up jest.
You are OK on joking around right? Harry Truman was a jokester at
times. You are
starting to sound like an official COC&A* zealot.
On your behalf, I have changed the thread title
to be a bit more accurate. Allow me to ramble
on on a few things you bring up.
I AM CERTAIN that many or most on this NG
don't agree with everything the officers and employees of the LMT say
and do - they are human and are not perfect. Who is? But if you
do a search on http://www.lisatrust.net, you will
find a mission statement of ten (10) demands of reform of the cult in
question here. I think and believe those are well thought out, correct,
and noble. Of course the Co$ views those as items
to make them the NUMBER ONE TARGET
of the ghost of Hubbard's wrath -- that would be Davie M. et. al. right?
So they have been hit with every imaginable attack both character-wise
and legal (legal harassment.)
On several occasions and at various forums, I have met, talked with, and
joined in on public critism of the Co$ with LMT folks and their
supporters. Bob, Jesse, Mark, Jeff, and others
are normal, rational, and caring people. That
was the method to my madness posting as
anti-magoo 15 months ago, and that is the motive behind me inviting the
ubiquitous U-mike to CW to walk among and talk with the people he is
critical of. Now I extend that same invite to you Tigger. Real human
contact is much different than cyberspace interaction.
It truly is.
You speak of the "TRUTH" as an attainable goal. I think that's GREAT.
But I can assure you you will NOT find it.......
1. on ARS
2. posting as anonymous as "Tigger"
3. posting via WebTV
4. demanding responses in the name of fact- finding that exceed the
level of unreasonable badgering
5. relying on hearsay probably founded on emotion from others via e-chat
as fact
6. Some dude who goes by "DEEP THROAT"
Don't get me wrong, I think you are a huge asset to the movement to
expose the Co$
and their hellish abuses. But your departure of current to have this
intense focus on critizing
fellow activists, escapes my views of productive and fertile results.
No you are right, the ends do not justify the means, but the ends do not
justify the ends either.
Yes I agree, don't kill the messenger. But don't
kill each other either. :8)
Tom
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Tigger
(Tom Padgett) wrote:
>Wow this is getting weird.
Gee, are you only now noticing that something is weird?
>Tigger:
>Lighten up. Jim and I were just tossing
> up jest. You are OK on joking around
> right? Harry Truman was a jokester at
> times.
Yes, you know I love to kid around. But the Bible says, "There is a
time to sow and a time to reap," etc.. There is also a time to joke and
a time to be serious. And this is not, IMO, the time to jest.
> You are starting to sound like an official
> COC&A* zealot.
And you sound like a loyal LMT cheerleader with your head stuck in the
sand.
>On your behalf, I have changed the
> thread title to be a bit more accurate.
> Allow me to ramble on on a few things
> you bring up.
>I AM CERTAIN that many or most on
> this NG don't agree with everything the
> officers and employees of the LMT say
> and do - they are human and are not
> perfect.
So why don't they say so and why didn't they try to find a way to fix
the problems so the LMT would continue to do good things instead of
burying their heads in the sand and "hoping and praying".
> Who is? But if you do a search on
> http://www.lisatrust.net, you will find a
> mission statement of ten (10) demands
> of reform of the cult in question here. I
> think and believe those are well thought
> out, correct, and noble.
There are many words that are well thought out, correct and noble. The
proof is in the pudding though, isn't it? Hubbard, too, said many
noble, well thought out and correct things, but did he
abide by his noble, well though out and correct mission statement.
>Of course the Co$ views those as items
> to make them the NUMBER ONE
> TARGET of the ghost of Hubbard's >wrath -- that would be Davie M. et.
al.
> right? So they have been hit with every
> imaginable attack both character-wise
> and legal (legal harassment.)
By "them" you mean LMT?
>On several occasions and at various
> forums, I have met, talked with, and
> joined in on public critism of the Co$
> with LMT folks and their supporters.
> Bob, Jesse, Mark, Jeff, and others are
> normal, rational, and caring people.
So, what does that prove? You thought UMike was such a great guy, you
introduced me to him. Does a person ever really know anyone until the
"bad times' come?
> That was the method to my madness
> posting as anti-magoo 15 months ago,
> and that is the motive behind me inviting
> the ubiquitous U-mike to CW to walk
> among and talk with the people he is
> critical of. Now I extend that same invite
> to you Tigger. Real human contact is
> much different than cyberspace
> interaction. It truly is.
So how are UMike (and I) supposed to walk among and talk with these
people if they have exited the building? Besides didn't you say you
wouldn't be going to Florida this year? I am sure they would all be
on their best behavior. That's how Stacy gets people to believe her
distortions and misinformation, isn't it?
>You speak of the "TRUTH" as an
> attainable goal. I think that's GREAT.
> But I can assure you you will NOT find
> it.......
>1. on ARS
I won't find it at the LMT either, will I?
>2. posting as anonymous as "Tigger"
Gee, I though everyone knew my real name. If they don't, I am sure
bunnyann, kaeli, Ian and barb will be more than happy to tell anyone who
doesn't know.
And you have already posted Michael's name haven't you?
>3. posting via WebTV
Real snobs, aren't they?
>4. demanding responses in the name of
> fact- finding that exceed the level of
> unreasonable badgering
So you think asking someone to tell the truth is "unreasonable
badgering"? Gee, I thought you wanted Laura Vannoy Padgett, her
lawyers and COS to tell the truth. I guess I shouldn't have asked THEM
all those "unreasonable badgering" questions, huh?
>5. relying on hearsay probably founded
> on emotion from others via e-chat as
> fact
Since you don't know what information I have or from whence it comes,
you don't know if it's founded on emotion or fact, do you?
>6. Some dude who goes by "DEEP
> THROAT"
Some of the information DT has, has been verified. You also might be
surprised who has verified it.
>Don't get me wrong, I think you are a
> huge asset to the movement to expose
> the Co$ and their hellish abuses.
Well, I don't care what you think. You don't owe me a thing, so please,
feel free to express your true feelings.
> But
> your departure of current to have this
> intense focus on criticizing fellow
> activists, escapes my views of
> productive and fertile results.
Were you contemplating "productive and fertile results" when you went
after Ian, SS, UltraMike and others? Or do you only contemplate
"productive and feretile results" when the LMT is involved?
>No you are right, the ends do not justify
> the means, but the ends do not justify
> the ends either.
Meaning what?
>Yes I agree, don't kill the messenger. But
> don't kill each other either. :8)
1. So I should not expect anyone on a.r.s. to tell the truth and i
should not say anything about it unless it is COS, OSA or some other
scientologist.
2. I should always post using my real name even if my children have
asked me not to.
3. I should only post using a computer.
4. I should be a good little girl and never ask the LMT any questions
or expect them to answer or to tell the truth because that would be
"unrasonable badgering.
5. I should only rely on the information provided by the LMT. And if
they don't provide any information, it's none of my business.
6. I shouldn't believe anyone who posts anonymously.
Well thanks, but no thanks.
Tigger
>Tom
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Michael Reuss
>DEEP THROAT says:
>I am sure that the Cult of $cientology is just laughing and laughing and
>laughing.
I'm pretty sure they're not laughing at all. I rather think "they" (at
least those who are the leaders of the cult) are seething and seething
and seething.
>They know the truth.
You mean about the freight trains on Venus???
>There are a
>number of people on this newsgroup who have lauded the LMT to the skies.
>It will be a bad day for them when Stacy tearfully comes on a.r.s and
>posts her swan song to Clearwater. Trust me, that day is coming. You
>read it here first.
Even if what you claim is true (I see no supporting evidence, btw),
the Hill-10 flap that Scientology has been facing for over 6 year,
because of its own oppressiveness, will not die down or go away, not
even a little bit. It will probably get even worse.
You can take that to the "bank."
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>> xganon <nob...@xganon.com> wrote:
>>DEEP THROAT says:
>>I am sure that the Cult of $cientology is just laughing and laughing and
>>laughing.
>I'm pretty sure they're not laughing at all. I rather think "they" (at
>least those who are the leaders of the cult) are seething and seething
>and seething.
Look at any photograph taken of them and they all look depressed and
very unhappy. Not to mention the fact that many of them look dirty,
underfed, and cronically sleepy from lack of sleep.
If anyone thinks that the a.r.s doesn't adversely impact Scientology's
revenues by exposing Scientology's crimes and abuses, they'll need to
explain the faces of all the crooks.
>>They know the truth.
>You mean about the freight trains on Venus???
Not smoking enough causes cancer.
>>There are a
>>number of people on this newsgroup who have lauded the LMT to the skies.
>>It will be a bad day for them when Stacy tearfully comes on a.r.s and
>>posts her swan song to Clearwater. Trust me, that day is coming. You
>>read it here first.
<heh> And Scientology has 8 million followers. <heh> John is insane.
>Even if what you claim is true (I see no supporting evidence, btw),
>the Hill-10 flap that Scientology has been facing for over 6 year,
>because of its own oppressiveness, will not die down or go away, not
>even a little bit. It will probably get even worse.
_Can_ it get worse?
>You can take that to the "bank."
>Michael Reuss
>Honorary Kid
-- You love drugs! You love drugs, don't you?! You better
not say anything about my mother! Don't you DARE say anything
about my mother! -- Scientology's International President
Tom Padgett
it's head stuck in the sand."
Tigger:
OK I am open for imput and feedback. How am I am cheerleader? How is
my cranial lobe immersed in various ground particles of soil aka
"sand." You sound just like advocates of Hubbard's (alleged) genius.
Why?
Are you willing to show up in a court of law with
proof and put all your integrity and assets on the line for your
assertions, or do you want to join J.R. Ford that "I am too hot" and run
for the hills and (anonymous) comfort? That choice is yours. I will
respect that choice though of course.
Tom
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Starshadow
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"Tigger" has a real problem understanding that the person who makes
the assertations is the one who has to provide the proof. She thinks
that the person accused has to prove the assertations wrong. But then
she's a moron.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4 with clam cluster, Official Wiccan Chaplain
ARSCC(wdne)
"Hubbard is a dead fat fraud who started a "religion" to make money,
and Miscavige is a wheezing dwarf who
makes insane outbursts about public buggery in court. There are no
OTs , and Xenu rules." That should be good for -25 stats points,
right OSA?
(find out what this means at www.clambake.org )
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