Ex-Scientologists talking sense now - some quotes 2011-2012 - {raw data note 20120530-t}

[Leonardo Been (Plato)]

Ex-Scientologists talking sense now - some quotes 2011-2012

{raw data note 20120530-t}

(only editing done
is by indentation)

'

'

Reason for looking:

In view of l. ron hubbard persistently inflicting Energetic
VIOLENCE, [MLRH]* I am reading up on, what those who have
come to their senses, are thinking nowadays about that violent
individual. [SCFHU]*


'

Ex-Scientologists talking sense now (in 2011-2012)

- that is, to the extent that other Criminal Minds do allow them
to talk sense. [ANTIN]*
(Other Criminal Minds in the society, in science, religion and
art, [ANTIN]* that they have not detected yet, and have little
or no intention of detecting, though they could, now, do so).

'

I thought it interesting to 'take a written picture' of their current
view of l. ron hubbard and 'Scientology,'

and I might as well share that picture with you.

This list in no way whatsoever, intends to include or exclude
any more data concerning the subject, than what I RANDOMLY and
in a very short time, looked through.

'

'

(date and time [GMT], of noting it):
20120530 10:17
(subject designation of data):
[Scientology]
[LEF meter]*

Just Bill [site-blog owner] on February 6, 2011 4:33 PM

'When I said "There may be something important there" I was
wondering if such a thing as what the emeter claims to be was
actually possible and if it might ultimately be developed.

If something could accurately indicate how a person's thoughts
were affecting them, this would greatly help counselors,
therapists and the like. It would be a good thing and I hope
that the debunking of Scientology's emeter doesn't discourage
others from working on this concept.'

Just Bill on January 25, 2012 12:21 PM

'Re: E-meter reading

I don't think this is quite what you imagine it is. I hear
people say things like "they use the e-meter to measure your
thetan level". It isn't like that at all. The "Stress Test"
that Scientologists use to trick people on the street, doesn't
help clarify things either -- that's bogus.'

(file name):
Ask the Scientologist: More on the Scientology E-Meter.html
(Internet file address):
http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2010/06/more-on-scientology-e-meter.html

'

[Scientology]

'Squash Lady on May 22, 2011 10:41 PM

Dear Just Bill,

I recently reread "Messiah or Madman?" by Corydon and Hubbard.

I read it 10 or so years ago. At that time, I was still "under
the tent" and I rationalized everything I read.

This time, the experience was 180 degrees different. This time,
it was OMG! It's true, it's true. Oh crap. There is no way to
understand LRH or SCN unless one accepts the proposition that
SCN was intended by LRH to be a trap.'

Ask the Scientologist: The Scientology "Soft Landing Place".html
http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2011/04/scientology-soft-landing-place.html

'

[Scientology]

The "Wall of Fire"

'"Many persons experience unreality at the start of
[implant] GPM [Goal, Problem, Mass] running [on the
Clearing Course and on OT 2]; this leaves when you see the
meter reads." L. Ron Hubbard


In Scientology, the e-meter is used as more than a stress/lack
of stress detector. It is also, at times, used as a lie/truth
detector, and not that long ago, even Marty Rathbun described
it as a "truth detector."

At the OT levels, there's a high degree of [hypnotic]
suggestion, and mind-gaming by way of the materials. This is
presented as essential information and helpful instruction by
Hubbard. E-meter reactions are used as part of the mind-gaming
of the trusting "pre-Clear" or "Pre-OT."

From Ron Journal 67:

“The material involved in this sector is so vicious that
it is carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers
the exact truth of it.

“So in January and February of this year, I became very
ill, almost lost this body, and somehow or another
brought it off and obtained the material, and was able to
live through it. I am very sure that I was the first one
that ever did live through any attempt to attain that
material. This material I’m talking about, of course, is
very upper level material and you will forgive me if I
don’t describe it to you in very broad detail because
it’s very likely to make you sick, too.

“Now my task for the remainder of the year, up until now
– which is to say the ensuing six months – was to find
some way to safely bring through individuals. It was not
enough for I myself to have lived through it. Other
people would have to do so as well when they reached
Clear and tried to move up from that point above.

“And about five or six weeks ago, I finally was able to
make a breakthrough which brought people through the zone
safely. It is relatively easy to do now, provided one is
an extremely well-trained auditor, and the band of fire
can be walked through, bringing one out the other side
unscathed, providing he applies the exact technology. No
one is in danger of colliding with this at lower levels,
since it concerns the formation of the society itself in
which we live. A person is Clear on the first dynamic. It
is necessary, to become OT, to became cleared on all
dynamics, including that of society and that of the
physical universe. So I have also made this breakthrough,
and I don’t mind telling you, it took some doing. In all
the eighteen years, this has been the toughest one that I
have faced. And I faced it so that it would not be tough
for you to face when you came to it.”

Suggest reviewing the Clearing Course through OT 3 materials,
if you want to see hypnotic-evaluation by Hubbard, and the
e-meter used as a truth detector.

Don't wish to enter into a discussion of the e-meter at this
time, as the topic has been covered before elsewhere on other
threads on ESMB [exscn.net], and in other places.

Its use in Scientology can be summed up with three words: BAIT
AND SWITCH.

Bait = What the person is told auditing is at the beginning.

Switch = What auditing becomes as the person descends deep into
the "Scientological Onion" - at which time, he should have been
sufficiently "set up" and "handled," so that he either doesn't
notice, or doesn't mind the "switch."'

201205 thread - I like L. Ron Hubbard - Page 8 - exscn.net.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27222-I-like-L.-Ron-Hubbard/page8

'

[Scientology]

No Love, only dictatorship

'My point is that the processes are devised by somebody else
with a very specific agenda. Who the terminal is, is not my
point.

Sadly, there are no processes that address the development of
love, compassion, or empathy, but it is Scientology we're
speaking of, so there wouldn't be, would there?

Think about it.'

28th May 2012 10:34 AM
#81
Smilla

201205 thread - I like L. Ron Hubbard - Page 9 - exscn.net.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27222-I-like-L.-Ron-Hubbard/page9

'

[Scientology]
[quote]

'That is a good post about the profoundly proliferative
preponderance of Scientology's Bait & Evaluate.

I like the way you set up the dichotomy, "Begin with an
innocent pinch test, end up...."

Let's try some out for fun:

* Begin with an innocent pinch test, end up with "Feel My
Volcano".

* Begin with an innocent TR Course, end up imprisoned in a
chain locker for failing to use TR-L and convincingly lie to
authorities investigating Scientology.

* Begin with an innocent free personality test, end up with
"You need to come up with another $50,000 for your Patron
Status or you're never gonna get your eligibility for your
fucking eternity!"

Hey, for some reason I kinda like that fact that skinny,
nervous, uneducated people in naval costumes making $30 a week
get to decide who's allowed to get their eternity.'

'

[Scientology]
[quote]

'Hell yeah! You have to accept that the type of person who could
develop the only tech to free mankind, be the first to break
through the wall of fire in 75 million years, and personally
salvage this sector of the galaxy ...might fudge things a wee
bit.

Someone actually told me essentially THAT - and I swear he was
serious! Gotta love that cognitive dissonance.

Mimsey'

201205 thread - I like L. Ron Hubbard - Page 10 - exscn.net.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27222-I-like-L.-Ron-Hubbard/page10

'

20120530 11:20
[Criminal Minds]
[quote]
[reverse of sense, but interesting]

'... verboten in Science, since a spirit cannot and never will
be measured by physical means'

'One of the silliest ongoing bleats on this board is the
continual demand for "scientific proof" of Scientology. So let
me answer this and then hopefully all the demands for it will
end.

There has never been any scientifically acceptable proof of the
workability of Scientology and there NEVER WILL BE ANY.

OK?

Never mind even the "peer reviews" and the "independent
testing" and the etc etc etc demands. Scientology is not a
science except in the loosest definition of that word. It is
based on the reality of life having a spiritual basis. That on
its own is verboten in Science, since a spirit cannot and never
will be measured by physical means. Therefor, per Science, it
does not exist. End of story on that one.'

29th May 2012 07:54 PM
#110
Leon

201205 thread - I like L. Ron Hubbard - Page 11 - exscn.net.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27222-I-like-L.-Ron-Hubbard/page11

'

20120530 11:23
[Scientology]
[quote]
[humor]

'Scientology literally saved my life! Without Ron's books I
would have frozen to death!!! (see avatar)

Scientology in one word? HelluvaHoax!

I never felt as free as when I freed myself from "Total
Freedom".

For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron
Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without
lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know
you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed
to.'

29th May 2012 08:07 PM
#111
HelluvaHoax!

201205 thread - I like L. Ron Hubbard - Page 11 - exscn.net.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27222-I-like-L.-Ron-Hubbard/page11

'

20120530 12:06
[Scientology]
[meter]

'Yeah, but Hubbard's 1978 definition is SO WRONG it's
ridiculous. A rhythmic sweep of the dial at a slow even pace of
the needle, if I remember it right and I damn well ought to
considering the number of times I went over it in blood. The
word needle is correct, and so are dial and pace, but that's
about all. It doesn't have to be rhythmic, a sweep, slow, or
even. The amount of pain and loss that little misdefinition has
caused in the past 30+ years! Wowzer.

Paul'

2nd May 2012 09:27 AM
#23
Dulloldfart

Justifying why the L's did not work! I have the power, I don't know how to use it??? - Page 3.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27029-Justifying-why-the-L-s-did-not-work!-I-have-the-power-I-don-t-know-how-to-use-it/page3

'

[Scientology]

The idea that Miscavige is deliberately trying to sabotage the
"LRH Bridge" is silly.

Hubbard sabotaged his own "Bridge." It was Hubbard who
butchered the middle Grade Chart, invented Dianetic Clear for
PR and marketing purposes, removed the fun
recycled-Rosicrucianism parts of the (old) upper OT levels from
the Grade Chart, replacing them with more "BT" levels, and then
told Scientologists that they were "in" eternity, and that it
("eternity") would "be good for them or bad," etc. - which is
an old gimmick - and that the "higher the level the longer the
time," which is nonsense, but useful, since apparently Hubbard
knew he had no more levels, so was in stalling mode.

This is the mess that Source's apprentice, Miscavige, was left
with by Hubbard.'

2nd May 2012 09:45 AM
#24
Veda

Justifying why the L's did not work! I have the power, I don't know how to use it??? - Page 3.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27029-Justifying-why-the-L-s-did-not-work!-I-have-the-power-I-don-t-know-how-to-use-it/page3

'

20120530 12:12
[Scientology]
[reverse sense, but interesting]

Freezone Hubbard

'The L's apart from anything else it addresses deals with evil
intentions. The first tech to do so. Later came Expanded
dianetics and then FPRD.

One might note that if an evil intention is not dealt with to
full resolution it can repercus. Man is basically good. If an
evil intention is not run to a good resolution the client may
consider he is bad, evil, whatever. Or worse. This is the prime
reverse tech of CO$. Makes the victim controllable, 'reg'-able
and so on.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs'

2nd May 2012 10:05 AM
#27
Terril park

'

'My facts re. the 1978 redefinition by Hubbard are correct.

Hubbard left Miscavige with a mess.

Perhaps you should do the rest of the Ls. It may be what you
need. '

2nd May 2012 10:34 AM
#29
Veda

Justifying why the L's did not work! I have the power, I don't know how to use it??? - Page 3.html
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27029-Justifying-why-the-L-s-did-not-work!-I-have-the-power-I-don-t-know-how-to-use-it/page3

[end of quotes]

'

'

_________
Footnotes:

[MLRH] 'The monstrosity l. ron hubbard, and your refusal to face Life
itself' [MLRH]
{HRI note 20120425-V2.0}(draft)
(25 April 2012 - Version 2.0 also on 25 Apr 2012 )
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/msg/b3ca2e5f85e31a03

[SCFHU]'The Source of Celebrities Tom Cruise and John Travolta's Fame
- the 'Hollywood "Underworld" '
{HRI 20090204-V5.0} [SCFHU]
(4 February 2009 - Version 5.0 on 6 Mar 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/msg/ec3c27fd6999dee4

[ANTIN] 'Earth Condition in a Nutshell: REVERSAL of what is Normal -
the 'Anti-Normal' DEMANDS'
{HRI 20071208-V2.3} [ANTIN]
(8 December 2007 - Version 2.3 on 11 Apr 2012)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/c8c82054620bd05d
(former Title):
'The Anti-Normal: 'The Abnormal Must REPLACE the Normal' '

[LEF meter] Life Energy Fluctuation Meter
- its name describes what it does.

KNT hrp&p - Copyright 2012 - conditions as usual