Which is worse Judaism or Scientology?
stevej...@yahoo.com
Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as what
some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make the
Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
Susan Cohen
<stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Please print a link to the article.
Susan
The Shadow
news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> A Scientologist was recently murdered in Buffalo, NY. According to
No, since the Jews did nothing to bring about their own deaths. They
were killed because they were Jews.
The Scientologist may have done something she ought not to have done.
We need more data to decide whether to believe that it was her fault. I
suspect that, since this was a murder, it was the murderer's fault.
--
Shadow
Barbara Schwarz
I would like to read it too, Steve.
Otherwise, it is good that I catch you here, Susan. I had a discussion
with another poster here recently, and she said that Jews do not
believe in a life after death.
I think that somebody fed her with Nazi lies.
Can you post some words hereto?
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Susan
Barbara Schwartz is a Twat
Parasitically trying to gain some kind of credibility by
ripping
off
other's words. While spouting some witless shite off to fill in
the
gaps and make it look like your own.
You are a loser in whatever field you choose.
Will you never say anything of value?
Twat.
Doc Tavish
<fil...@mailcity.com> wrote:
><stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> A Scientologist was recently murdered in Buffalo, NY. According to
>> the Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as what
>> some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make the
>> Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
>
>No, since the Jews did nothing to bring about their own deaths.
What about the Holocausts Jews waged before Hitler had Auschwitz built and the
fact that Jews conceived and implemented the communist ideology and the first
Soviet State? The Jewish led Bolsheviks were torturing and killing millions of
people before Hitler's rise to power!
My proofs:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
Jewish led Soviets had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Ukrainians as documented in
these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771?safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771?dmode=source
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide T_0201
Date: 1 Feb 2005 18:52:33 GMT
Message-ID: <j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361?safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361?dmode=source
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
Message-ID: <fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b?safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b?dmode=source
Subject: "Holocaust" History -- Have you ever wondered why Ukrainians
volunteered for guard duty? T_0202
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:53:02 -0600
Message-ID: <nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com>
>They were killed because they were Jews.
If Jews weren't spreading their socialism/communism throughout Europe and
fomenting Red Revolution all over I doubt very seriously if the Nazis would have
even come to power!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=neapd0h72hb82fn4fgq3fq8ba4ij5n8ctp%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Socialism Imported Into America, Canada, Rumania, Hungary, Poland,
Germany, Ukraine, Palestine (Israel) Etc. by Jews (In Their Own Words People!)
V2.0 S_0625 Date: 25 Jun 2004 23:08:56 GMT
Message-ID: <neapd0h72hb82fn4f...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=gpu2e09d520ab2gkce5de132saqi2hdknj%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by
the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629
Message-ID: <gpu2e09d520ab2gkc...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jun 2004 15:48:54 GMT
>The Scientologist may have done something she ought not to have done.
>We need more data to decide whether to believe that it was her fault. I
>suspect that, since this was a murder, it was the murderer's fault.
I don't see Scientologists harassing Christians like Jews do and have!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ip1ii0hsmnikjdg00ifrmnn9lqs9ctkqai%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial...
Message-ID: <ip1ii0hsmnikjdg00...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Aug 2004 21:00:47 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
-- The Apostle Paul says much about Pharisaic Jews in two Bible scriptures:
1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.
Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just
two verses of scripture!
He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus" which the Churches of
Christendom won't do!
3) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
least by any stretch of the imagination:
4) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."
Regarding "2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was
not the least bit bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"
which the Churches of Christendom won't do!" see this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
Pharisees?
(One example) Persecution and torture:
Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] "Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of
whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and
persecute from town to town...." [Tavish comment: The words just stated were
addressed to the Jewish Pharisee Rabbis!]
[To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing people from
town to town and flogging them in their Jewish synagogues! I don't think even
the Nazis rounded up Jews and flogged them in Christendom's Churches!! What Jews
did happened and it is documented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.smart1.net&rnum=7
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ncu5gvoc1nga0k933sgt0sbtglrv1nlb4e%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Communist Holocaust Has Killed Over 100 Million People
Message-ID: <ncu5gvoc1nga0k933...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ip1ii0hsmnikjdg00ifrmnn9lqs9ctkqai%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V3.0 S_0822
Message-ID: <ip1ii0hsmnikjdg00...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Aug 2004 21:00:47 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3nhkivgp658q7bj95kg919aiaucnumu290%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants R_0801
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:19:58 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
Message-ID: <1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Jul 2003 14:16:47 GMT
Tavish
Susan Cohen
"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107390017.4...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
We don't believe in the same afterlife that Xians do, if that's what you
mean.
Susan
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
>>
>> Susan
>
stevej...@yahoo.com
Patricia Heil
amigo cabal
COFFERS!
stevej...@yahoo.com
amigo cabal wrote:
> JUDAISM! I NEVER HAD A SCIENTOLOGIST STEAL THE MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC
> COFFERS!
But hasn't Alan Greenspan, a Jew, been the one keeping the economy
going all these years?
Riain
But it is one of the 13 principles of the Jewish faith.
"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107390017.4...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
:
:
Riain
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message news:dqt2019r0aqi2p065...@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:28:41 -0700, <BscMd.2673$7J.337@okepread04> "The Shadow"
gig...@netscape.net
and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
*cults* by most people.
gig...@netscape.net
You should introduce yourself as a member of Moon's
Church Steve. So nobody gets confused about your
intentions to begin with. Nor will they be led astray.
realpch
Nazi lies? Oh Barbara!
I didn't forget our discussion since I was curious where I had picked up
the info that belief in an afterlife is not shared by all Jews.
So here's a couple of links. Looks like depending on how you interpret
the scriptures, such belief may be optional:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology#The_afterlife_and_olam_haba_.28the_world_to_come.29
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html
Personally, I don't any problem imagining a religion without a belief in
an afterlife. In fact, maybe I'll go start one. I'll tell the people,
"You've gotta go out there and do the best you can! You're only getting
one chance and you won't be able to make it up later. If you take the
nonexistance of an afterlife as a great opportunity to misbehave without
consequences, go join some other religion!"
Peach
amigo cabal
<stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107405920.1...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
TELL ME ABOUT IT!
amigo cabal
<gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> *cults* by most people.
Riain Y. Barton
SCIENTOLOGIST.
Riain Y. Barton
Riain Y. Barton
MURDERERS.
Ball of Fluff
"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4201D350...@aol.com...
I have read several different accounts of what Jewish people believe about
the existence of an afterlife. All of which conflicted. I think, maybe, that
it's like Protestantism. Different factions believing in different things.
C
Ball of Fluff
"The Shadow" <fil...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:BscMd.2673$7J.337@okepread04...
Anytime someone is deliberately killed, where it's not self defence, there
is always culpability.
It's like the rape trials. We don't care if the lady wore something
provocative and acted flirty. Has nothing to do w/ anything. If she said no,
it's still rape.
But it's not an either/or situation, either.
It's always wrong to murder. But that doesn't mean that someone might not
have been unwise.
I was once walking on a very busy city street, used as a secondary highway
around here. Broad daylight but sometimes strange people hang out there.
A man came up to me and asked me to get in his car as his contacts were
hurting and he needed help to go get contact lens fluid. Yeah, right,
dipshit.
I pulled out some contact lens stuff from my handbag and said "Here ya go".
He demurred, saying I should still come with him. Of course, I said no.
If I'd gotten in the car and he'd have killed me, it would have been his
fault, his culpability. But I'd have had a small measure of responsibility
due to my unwise action.
The bulk of the responsiblity, however, would have been his.
C
Ball of Fluff
> and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> *cults* by most people.
The church of Scientology is a cult.
Scientology is the philosophy.
Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
C
>
Ball of Fluff
No, and that's not even a real argument.
There were huge pogroms and state sanctioned genocide. They tried to leave,
some did- and others were found and killed.
Not particularly avoidable. The jews have been persecuted for many
centuries, and have always tried to avoid such terrible fates.
Nobody wants to be murdered.
C
Howard
>
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> >
> > Susan Cohen wrote:
> > > <stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > A Scientologist was recently murdered in Buffalo, NY. According to
> > > > the Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as
> > > > what some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make
> > > > the Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
> > Please print a link to the article. I would like to read it too, Steve.
> >
> Otherwise, it is good that I catch you here, Susan. I had a discussion
> with another poster here recently, and she said that Jews do not
> believe in a life after death.
> >
> I think that somebody fed her with Nazi lies. Can you post some words hereto?
>
> Nazi lies? Oh Barbara!
>
> I didn't forget our discussion since I was curious where I had picked up
> the info that belief in an afterlife is not shared by all Jews.
>
> So here's a couple of links. Looks like depending on how you interpret
> the scriptures, such belief may be optional:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology#The_afterlife_and_olam_haba_.28the_world_to_come.29>
>
> http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html
>
> Personally, I don't any problem imagining a religion without a belief in
> an afterlife. In fact, maybe I'll go start one. I'll tell the people,
> "You've gotta go out there and do the best you can! You're only getting
> one chance and you won't be able to make it up later. If you take the
> nonexistance of an afterlife as a great opportunity to misbehave without
> consequences, go join some other religion!"
>
Dear Peach
Sounds good to me - but there's no money in it. :)
Interestingly enough, I used to work with and over the years, got to
know a number of old rural East Anglian fellows: "Never moind what
that damn Vicar tell you. You come this way but once, boy."
Notorious freethinkers, these old Suffolk chaps.
regards
Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
Barbara Schwarz
afterlife.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Susan
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> >
> >>
> >> Susan
> >
Barbara Schwarz
Riain wrote:
> Judaism believes in life after death, Judaism does not agree on how
that life is actually "lived". There are those who believe in a heaven
like place, other believe in re-incarnation.
Thanks Riain, I appreciate the clarification.
See, Peach, I told you it is not correct that Jews don't believe in
life after death. They just see it a bit different than the average
Christian.
Barbara Schwarz
stevej...@yahoo.com
> >> JUDAISM! I NEVER HAD A SCIENTOLOGIST STEAL THE MONEY FROM THE
PUBLIC
> >> COFFERS!
> >
> > But hasn't Alan Greenspan, a Jew, been the one keeping the economy
> > going all these years?
>
> TELL ME ABOUT IT!
Well, people from all over the world are coming here to get rich in our
Jew-run economy. :-)
Barbara Schwarz
Peach, I did not say that you are a Nazi. I just said that I think
that the line that Jews don't believe in afterlife is a Nazi line
just as so many other false stuff that is said about them.
>
> I didn't forget our discussion since I was curious where I had picked
up
> the info that belief in an afterlife is not shared by all Jews.
>
> So here's a couple of links. Looks like depending on how you
interpret
> the scriptures, such belief may be optional:
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology#The_afterlife_and_olam_haba_.28the_world_to_come.29
>
> http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html
Susan Cohan and Riain, does that sound Jewish to you?
>
> Personally, I don't any problem imagining a religion without a belief
in
> an afterlife.
I think that is one of the most important parts of a religion, Peach.
If you start a religion that gives no glance of surviving the future,
you are
are probably having nothing but a moral group. And there is a lot more
to religion than this.
>In fact, maybe I'll go start one.
Knock yourself out. :) How do you want to call your cult? (Just
kidding!)
The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
> I'll tell the people,
> "You've gotta go out there and do the best you can! You're only
getting
> one chance and you won't be able to make it up later.
That would be just not correct, Peach. People have more than just one
chance but I give you so much saying that they blow all of them
usually.
> If you take the
> nonexistance of an afterlife as a great opportunity to misbehave
without
> consequences, go join some other religion!"
Afterlife is existant and if University professors would not be in a
deep
sleep, they could have provided scientfic proof already.
However, I like that you tell your followers to behave good in this
life
time.
But I still hope you don't found a cult, Peach.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Peach
Barbara Schwarz
Interesting links, Peach. But you see, according
to those links most Jews DO believe in life
after death. My guess that those who do not, are basically squirrel
groups.
For those who don't know what that is: It is slang. In Scientology,
groups that alter the technology and writings of the religion
Scientology, are called that.
Barbara Schwarz
stevej...@yahoo.com
kidding! :-)
Barbara Schwarz
Thanks for the link, Steve.
Something is really strange about the story. Why would that guy murder
on the birthday of L. Ron Hubbard if he was ever a real Scientologist?
To bring him in miscredit? To cause troubles for his religion? It makes
no sense.
Moreover, I know of people hanging out in Scientology orgs for decades
and not being really Scientologists. That you are being born in a
family of Scientologists does not mean that you are indeed one.
Also, I saw with my own eyes how psychiatrists can alter the minds of
people and can make them to walking zombies who were not more aware of
what they are doing. It was as if they had no access to their
analytical mind anymore. What about if Jeremy Perkins was a psychiatric
victim?
I also think that this happened to Lisa McPherson in a hotel before she
went back in the orgs. Although, I do not defend how non-scientological
infiltrators did not call a physican to check her vitals in time. They
should have done so after the first sign that she was physically not
well.
Don't think for a moment that psychiatrists are harmless doctors. Read
some of the patents and methods of mindcontrol that psychs developed.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> >
> > Susan
Barbara Schwarz
Riain Y. Barton wrote:
> MUSLIM FUCKING PIGS ARE THE WORST. I BET THEY MURDERED THAT
> SCIENTOLOGIST.
How about psychiatrists behind the evil? I don't think that anybody
wants to be a suicide terrorist if he is not mindcontrolled.
A flight school executive of the school in which Atta learned to fly
said that he said he was German and that he was robotic.
People in his home country said he was not so in Egypt but changed in
Germany.
Think about it if not psychs altered the mind of those people and make
them into dangerous robots.
They are at it a long time. Historian Ernst Klee said that not the Nazi
needed the psychiatrists but the psychiatrists needed the Nazis.
Barbara Schwarz
Zinj
barbara...@gmail.com says...
<snip>
> I think that is one of the most important parts of a religion, Peach.
> If you start a religion that gives no glance of surviving the future,
> you are
> are probably having nothing but a moral group. And there is a lot more
> to religion than this.
On the other hand, if you found an immoral/amoral group that raises the
'survival' and/or expansion of the group to the prime consideration,
above all others, even promising people that they get to be Queen
Victoria in their 'next life' doesn't cut much mustard 'spirituality'
wise.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
gig...@netscape.net
Ball of Fluff wrote:
> <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > *cults* by most people.
>
> The church of Scientology is a cult.
>
> Scientology is the philosophy.
Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
people with. After they brainwash each other, they
then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
if nothing else.
>
> Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
You don't have to be a part of a group to help
further the plans of Hubbard. All you need is
the same tools they have, called Dianetics.
>
> C
> >
realpch
Oh Barbara! Of course I didn't think you said I was a Nazi. Probably I
heard someone Jewish discussing the subject of an afterlife and whether
belief in same was necessary to Jewish faith. You see, I don't attach
negative connotations to lack of belief in an afterlife.
> > I didn't forget our discussion since I was curious where I had picked
> up
> > the info that belief in an afterlife is not shared by all Jews.
> >
> > So here's a couple of links. Looks like depending on how you
> interpret
> > the scriptures, such belief may be optional:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology#The_afterlife_and_olam_haba_.28the_world_to_come.29
> >
> > http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html
>
> Susan Cohan and Riain, does that sound Jewish to you?
> >
> > Personally, I don't any problem imagining a religion without a belief
> in
> > an afterlife.
>
> I think that is one of the most important parts of a religion, Peach.
> If you start a religion that gives no glance of surviving the future,
> you are
> are probably having nothing but a moral group. And there is a lot more
> to religion than this.
I know you think so and probably most other people think so too. Oh, you
think my idea of a religion would just be a moral group? Well, I'd have
my idea of "god" all worked out too.
> >In fact, maybe I'll go start one.
> Knock yourself out. :) How do you want to call your cult? (Just
> kidding!)
> The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
Oh, they'll probably insult my shoes!
> > I'll tell the people,
> > "You've gotta go out there and do the best you can! You're only
> getting
> > one chance and you won't be able to make it up later.
>
> That would be just not correct, Peach. People have more than just one
> chance but I give you so much saying that they blow all of them
> usually.
>
> > If you take the
> > nonexistance of an afterlife as a great opportunity to misbehave
> without
> > consequences, go join some other religion!"
>
> Afterlife is existant and if University professors would not be in a
> deep
> sleep, they could have provided scientfic proof already.
> However, I like that you tell your followers to behave good in this
> life
> time.
>
> But I still hope you don't found a cult, Peach.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > Peach
Naw, a religion, not a cult. It wouldn't be high demand you see. Or *in*
high demand either, most likely.
Peach
Ball of Fluff
gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > *cults* by most people.
> >
> > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> >
> > Scientology is the philosophy.
>
> Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> if nothing else.
My comment was that the entity referred to is called the Church of
Scientology.
Scientology - plain- is the name of the body of ideas and techniques.
Dianetics is also a body of ideas and techniques taught in CofS.
>
> >
> > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
>
> You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
Lady Chatterly is a 'bot and was posting on other usenet forums long
before it hit a.r.s.
I meant that there are Scn'ists who are not cultists.
C
Ball of Fluff
gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > *cults* by most people.
> >
> > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> >
> > Scientology is the philosophy.
>
> Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> if nothing else.
My comment was that the entity referred to is called the Church of
Scientology.
Scientology - plain- is the name of the body of ideas and techniques.
Dianetics is also a body of ideas and techniques taught in CofS.
>
> >
> > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
>
> You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
Lady Chatterly is a 'bot and was posting on other usenet forums long
Ball of Fluff
gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > *cults* by most people.
> >
> > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> >
> > Scientology is the philosophy.
>
> Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> if nothing else.
My comment was that the entity referred to is called the Church of
Scientology.
Scientology - plain- is the name of the body of ideas and techniques.
Dianetics is also a body of ideas and techniques taught in CofS.
>
> >
> > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
>
> You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
Lady Chatterly is a 'bot and was posting on other usenet forums long
Ball of Fluff
gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > *cults* by most people.
> >
> > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> >
> > Scientology is the philosophy.
>
> Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> if nothing else.
My comment was that the entity referred to is called the Church of
Scientology.
Scientology - plain- is the name of the body of ideas and techniques.
Dianetics is also a body of ideas and techniques taught in CofS.
>
> >
> > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
>
> You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
Lady Chatterly is a 'bot and was posting on other usenet forums long
stevej...@yahoo.com
Andrew Robertson
<snip>
> The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
"Always immaculately dressed, but I did sometimes wonder about her shoes." -
Kristi Wachter
"Far too nice a person to be a Messiah." - Zinj
"For a religious leader she showed surprisingly little interest in the
International Cricket Council's proposed rule changes to the one-day
game." - Andrew Robertson
"At least she wasn't a Republican." - David Rice
"Peachology? Nou breekt mijn klomp." - Spacetraveler
"We request that you remove the alt.peach.religion newsgroup from your
site." - Helena K. Kobrin
That's enough apostates.
Andrew
Barbara Schwarz
stevej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> So are Christianity and Islam squirrel groups of Judaism? Just
> kidding! :-)
If you want to go that far, Steve.... :)
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
> wise.
Really, Zinj, you should not talk so bad about Peaches new movement.
>
> Zinj
> --
You can lead a Zinj to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Barbara Schwarz
gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > *cults* by most people.
> >
> > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> >
> > Scientology is the philosophy.
>
> Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> if nothing else.
You are not very educated about the subject, Gigo.
>
> >
> > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
>
> You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
Lady Chatterly is a bot, and you might run her.
>
> You don't have to be a part of a group to help
> further the plans of Hubbard. All you need is
> the same tools they have, called Dianetics.
And what is Scientology in your view? Chopped liver?
What's your religion, Gigo? Be reminded that speading lies is none.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> >
> > C
> > >
Barbara Schwarz
I know the German psychiatric Nazi propaganda machine, Peach. They put
lines out and repeat
them till others believe them and those lines are not true.
I also think that any religion was target of infiltration by those that
were against that religion. It does not just happen to Scientology. I
also think that Judaism was altered with
the time, just as Christianity and Islam is, by such people. In other
words: are not more pure.
Right.
>Well, I'd have
> my idea of "god" all worked out too.
What is God then in your mind?
>
> > >In fact, maybe I'll go start one.
> > Knock yourself out. :) How do you want to call your cult? (Just
> > kidding!)
> > The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> > Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
>
> Oh, they'll probably insult my shoes!
You never forget that part, but as I said, I have some ugly shoes in my
closet too. I just would
laugh it off.
However, if your "religion" (moral group) is any good, they would not
insult your shoes but
rather copy you. That means, they would buy those kind of shoes you are
wearing and then we
have the Peach-Shoe-Cult. Not shaved heads but long braids and very
unusual shoes, that is how
your followers will be recognized. :)
Anyway, you might not have the intention to form any cult, as L. Ron
Hubbard did not, but infiltrators build one against your wishes. And
you tell them not to do that and that and behave like responsible for
themselves thinking people but they go ahead and alter even your
writings to make it cult-like.
What then, Peach?
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Andrew Robertson wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107452535.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> > Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
>
> "Always immaculately dressed, but I did sometimes wonder about her
shoes." -
> Kristi Wachter
As I said, Andrew, the Peachies will be recognized on long braids and
unusual shoes, with many cats following their path. I am just thinking
about somebody else I happen to know who could successfully apply for
membership in that movement. But remember, Andrew, the tails of the
kittens need to be braided otherwise it is a violation of Peachdom.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> "Far too nice a person to be a Messiah." - Zinj
Zinji really said that? Why does he hate the Messiah? Perhaps the psych
drugs in him talking.
Barbara Schwarz
Patricia Heil wrote:
> <stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Patricia "Heil"? Can you pick any creepier posting ID?
Barbara Schwarz
Ride-A-Lot
> Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
>
YES
Topaz
Bigot: One who disagrees with a liberal.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
Susan Cohen
>
>Not Riain Y. Barton but Gordon Radovich wrote:
>> MUSLIM FUCKING PIGS ARE THE WORST. I BET THEY MURDERED THAT
>> SCIENTOLOGIST.
>
> How about psychiatrists behind the evil? I don't think that anybody
> wants to be a suicide terrorist if he is not mindcontrolled.
They are mind controlled, but not by psychiatrists.
By their leaders who propagandize them every minute of every waking day.
Susan
Susan Cohen
"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
news:cttflh$r...@library1.airnews.net...
>
> "The Shadow" <fil...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:BscMd.2673$7J.337@okepread04...
>>> Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as what
>>> some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make the
>>> Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
>>
>> were killed because they were Jews.
>>
>> The Scientologist may have done something she ought not to have done. We
>> need more data to decide whether to believe that it was her fault. I
>> suspect that, since this was a murder, it was the murderer's fault.
>
> Anytime someone is deliberately killed, where it's not self defence, there
> is always culpability.
You are, of course, wrong.
>
> It's like the rape trials. We don't care if the lady wore something
> provocative and acted flirty. Has nothing to do w/ anything. If she said
> no, it's still rape.
>
> But it's not an either/or situation, either.
And you prove that you are stupid as well as wrong.
Susan
Susan Cohen
>
> <stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>A Scientologist was recently murdered in Buffalo, NY. According to the
>> Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as what
>> some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make the
>> Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
>
>
> There were huge pogroms and state sanctioned genocide. They tried to
> leave, some did- and others were found and killed.
>
> Not particularly avoidable.
Except that in another post you say Jews have at least some culpability for
their deaths.
And here you prove that you are wrong, as I knew you are.
Susan
The jews have been persecuted for many
> centuries, and have always tried to avoid such terrible fates.
>
> Nobody wants to be murdered.
>
> C
>
Susan Cohen
Can you grow up?
It's her NAME.
Susan
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
Barbara Schwarz
Really? How did this happen?
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Susan
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> >
Barbara Schwarz
Susan Cohen wrote:
> "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> news:cttfrp$r...@library1.airnews.net...
> >
> > <stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1107369899....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>A Scientologist was recently murdered in Buffalo, NY. According to
the
> >> Buffalo News it was her fault this happened. This is the same as
what
> >> some people say about the Jews and the Holocaust. Does that make
the
> >> Jews six million times worse than the Scientologists?
> >
> > No, and that's not even a real argument.
> >
> > There were huge pogroms and state sanctioned genocide. They tried
to
> > leave, some did- and others were found and killed.
> >
> > Not particularly avoidable.
>
> Except that in another post you say Jews have at least some
culpability for
> their deaths.
> And here you prove that you are wrong, as I knew you are.
>
> Susan
Right, Claire, she got you there! You implied some guilt while the Jews
were evidently targeted. They were "guilty" because Nazis (and the
psychs behind them) made them to the scapegoats of their perversions.
They did not do anything wrong, except that they were more successful
than the average German. The Nazis were jealous.
But I wish they would have fought back better, Susan, the way you do
it. The Nazis would have not stood a chance if most the Jewish people
would have had a fighter attitude like you have.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Susan Cohen wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107454079....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >Not Riain Y. Barton but Gordon Radovich wrote:
> >> MUSLIM FUCKING PIGS ARE THE WORST. I BET THEY MURDERED THAT
> >> SCIENTOLOGIST.
> >
> > How about psychiatrists behind the evil? I don't think that anybody
> > wants to be a suicide terrorist if he is not mindcontrolled.
>
> They are mind controlled, but not by psychiatrists.
> By their leaders who propagandize them every minute of every waking
day.
>
> Susan
You know that I agree with you on most issues, Susan, but I have to
tell you there is more to the fanatical leaders than meets the eye.
It is well documented that there were psychs behind Hitler. You better
assume that there are some behind the fanatical leaders and terrorists.
Barbara Schwarz
amigo cabal
<stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107452364....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>> >> JUDAISM! I NEVER HAD A SCIENTOLOGIST STEAL THE MONEY FROM THE
> PUBLIC
>> >> COFFERS!
>> >
>> > But hasn't Alan Greenspan, a Jew, been the one keeping the economy
>> > going all these years?
>>
>> TELL ME ABOUT IT!
>
> Well, people from all over the world are coming here to get rich in our
> Jew-run economy. :-)
YEH SURE! AND WHO IS HOLDING THE MORTGAGE TO OUR COUNTRY?
Android Cat
Pot. Kettle. Schwarz. :^)
--
Ron of that ilk.
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
<snip>
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html
> >
> > Personally, I don't any problem imagining a religion without a belief in
> > "You've gotta go out there and do the best you can! You're only getting
> > nonexistance of an afterlife as a great opportunity to misbehave without
> > consequences, go join some other religion!"
> >
>
>
> Sounds good to me - but there's no money in it. :)
>
> Interestingly enough, I used to work with and over the years, got to
> know a number of old rural East Anglian fellows: "Never moind what
> that damn Vicar tell you. You come this way but once, boy."
>
> Notorious freethinkers, these old Suffolk chaps.
>
> regards
>
> Howard
> --
> hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
My guess is I'd really like those fellows!
Best
Peach
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
> >Well, I'd have
> > my idea of "god" all worked out too.
>
> What is God then in your mind?
Well, I'm an agnostic Barbara, so I don't really have one. For purposes
of starting a religion, I think I'd choose something vague,
unthreatening, and poetic: "God is the spaces between the green leaves."
> > > >In fact, maybe I'll go start one.
> > > Knock yourself out. :) How do you want to call your cult? (Just
> > > kidding!)
> > > The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> > > Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
> >
> > Oh, they'll probably insult my shoes!
> You never forget that part, but as I said, I have some ugly shoes in my
> closet too. I just would
> laugh it off.
Hey! The entire episode fills me with merriment.
; )
> However, if your "religion" (moral group) is any good, they would not
> insult your shoes but
> rather copy you. That means, they would buy those kind of shoes you are
> wearing and then we
> have the Peach-Shoe-Cult. Not shaved heads but long braids and very
> unusual shoes, that is how
> your followers will be recognized. :)
Sounds good to me. Maybe I could make a little money by marketing
special religious ugly shoes and clip on braids.
> Anyway, you might not have the intention to form any cult, as L. Ron
> Hubbard did not, but infiltrators build one against your wishes. And
> you tell them not to do that and that and behave like responsible for
> themselves thinking people but they go ahead and alter even your
> writings to make it cult-like.
> What then, Peach?
>
> Barbara Schwarz
<snip>
Ah! Now if I to create a religion there is no way it could turn out like
Mr. Hubbard's, whose creation is very much a likeness of himself. Mine
would be a likeness of myself. Mr. Hubbard and myself are very different creatures.
Peach
realpch
My lawyer will be contacting you shortly.
Her High Holiness, the Supreme Peach
Susan Cohen
>
> Right, Claire, she got you there! You implied some guilt while the Jews
> were evidently targeted. They were "guilty" because Nazis (and the
> psychs behind them) made them to the scapegoats of their perversions.
> They did not do anything wrong, except that they were more successful
> than the average German. The Nazis were jealous.
>
> But I wish they would have fought back better, Susan, the way you do
> it.
I have their example to inspire me.
They had no frame of reference.
They innocently believed that no one could be so evil.
Now we know better.
Susan
Zinj
> Andrew Robertson wrote:
<snip>
> > That's enough apostates.
> >
> > Andrew
>
> My lawyer will be contacting you shortly.
>
> Her High Holiness, the Supreme Peach
I will demonstrate my couth by failing to make any reference to fuzz or
pits or fuzz in the pits fer 'heaven's' sake.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Riain
"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107479156....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:
:
gig...@netscape.net
Ball of Fluff wrote:
> gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> > Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > > *cults* by most people.
> > >
> > > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> > >
> > > Scientology is the philosophy.
> >
> > Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> > people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> > then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> > everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> > if nothing else.
>
> Scientology.
>
> Scientology - plain- is the name of the body of ideas and techniques.
>
> Dianetics is also a body of ideas and techniques taught in CofS.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
> >
> > You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
>
> before it hit a.r.s.
Lady Chatterly, is an Experiment in Dianetics. There is a
person controlling the *bot*. I hope you are not one of those
who thinks there is NOT! Would you like me to get the name
of the person? I saw it listed i think in alt.kooks
hall of fame along with the name of Barbara Schwarz.
>
> I meant that there are Scn'ists who are not cultists.
>
> C
gig...@netscape.net
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> gig...@netscape.net wrote:
> > Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > > <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > > > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > > > *cults* by most people.
> > >
> > > The church of Scientology is a cult.
> > >
> > > Scientology is the philosophy.
> >
> > Dianetics is the method they teach to brainwash
> > people with. After they brainwash each other, they
> > then brainwash themselves, and then brainwash
> > everybody else. It's a contagious social dis-ease
> > if nothing else.
>
> You are not very educated about the subject, Gigo.
I'm educated enuff not to be fooled by it.
I know if you repeat something enuff times you
can even fool yourself if you want. But i don't
wanna. I LIKE reality, and am not about to go
and make one up.
> >
> > >
> > > Not all Scientologists are part of any group.
> >
> > You mean like Barbara Schwarz, and Lady Chatterly?
>
> Lady Chatterly is a bot, and you might run her.
Not i, but rather a Dianetics nut much like yourself.
> >
> > You don't have to be a part of a group to help
> > further the plans of Hubbard. All you need is
> > the same tools they have, called Dianetics.
>
> And what is Scientology in your view? Chopped liver?
You said it, not i.
>
> What's your religion, Gigo? Be reminded that speading lies is none.
I don't believe in LIES, i believe in the G-d of Abraham.
I currently am without a religion, i've had plenty of offers
tho. I had one from the *moonies* just the other day.
I turned it down of course.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > >
> > > C
> > > >
gig...@netscape.net
amigo cabal wrote:
> <gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1107406885.7...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Nothing wrong with Judaism. But Hubbards Scientology
> > and Moon's Unificationism. Are both considered as
> > *cults* by most people.
I see you are STILL wearing those custom made Blinders of yours.
How many ten year old school girls were killed in Iraq i
wonder by the US invasion. A war zone is a war zone, war is
HELL let that be a lesson to people.
In the mean time fundamentalist *fanatcists* wage their own war
against anybody and everybody else. Only the territory being
fought over is that of the minds and hearts of the people.
It's a social dis-ease, just like i said. It's devouring
whole cultures in it's wake. It's coming for everybody
and it won't stop for nothin. It's cancerous and dangerous.
It's a very serious problem and it's getting worse all
the time.
Find out more about it on
Riain
THIS IS A FORGERY DONE BY GORDON RADAVICH A SERBIAN CRIMINAL IN LONDON!
Yes, all of your forgeries GORDON, you Serbian filthy criminal
paedophile!
ATTN: Anyone living in Battersea LONDON, mind your passports and your
children, ye have a theft and a paedophile living in your area -- His
name is Gordon Radavitch! He also goes by "The Rev'd" on Usenet.
THIS IS THE FORGED ID: "Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com>
THIS IS MY ID: "Riain" <ri...@riain.com> I will never have a gmail
account!
http://www.anglican.org/nutjob.html
"Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107437856.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
WHY DON'T YOU SUCK MY BIG KIKE COCK YOU JEW-HATING CUNT.
Barbara Schwartz is a Twat wrote:
> You're very good at quoting everybody else...
> Parasitically trying to gain some kind of credibility by
> ripping
> off
> other's words. While spouting some witless shite off to fill in
> the
>
>
> gaps and make it look like your own.
>
>
> You are a loser in whatever field you choose.
> Will you never say anything of value?
>
>
> Twat.
Riain
THIS IS A FORGERY DONE BY GORDON RADAVICH A SERBIAN CRIMINAL IN LONDON!
Yes, all of your forgeries GORDON, you Serbian filthy criminal
paedophile!
ATTN: Anyone living in Battersea LONDON, mind your passports and your
children, ye have a theft and a paedophile living in your area -- His
name is Gordon Radavitch! He also goes by "The Rev'd" on Usenet.
THIS IS THE FORGED ID: "Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com>
THIS IS MY ID: "Riain" <ri...@riain.com> I will never have a gmail
account!
http://www.anglican.org/nutjob.html
"Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107439828.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: YEAH? TELL THAT TO THE VICTIMS OF MUSLIM RAPISTS, THIEVES AND
: MURDERERS.
:
: amigo cabal wrote:
: > JUDAISM! I NEVER HAD A SCIENTOLOGIST STEAL THE MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC
: > COFFERS!
:
Riain
THIS IS A FORGERY DONE BY GORDON RADAVICH A SERBIAN CRIMINAL IN LONDON!
Yes, all of your forgeries GORDON, you Serbian filthy criminal
paedophile!
ATTN: Anyone living in Battersea LONDON, mind your passports and your
children, ye have a theft and a paedophile living in your area -- His
name is Gordon Radavitch! He also goes by "The Rev'd" on Usenet.
THIS IS THE FORGED ID: "Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com>
THIS IS MY ID: "Riain" <ri...@riain.com> I will never have a gmail
account!
http://www.anglican.org/nutjob.html
"Riain Y. Barton" <rfa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107437620.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: MUSLIM FUCKING PIGS ARE THE WORST. I BET THEY MURDERED THAT
: SCIENTOLOGIST.
:
:
Ball of Fluff
Interesting in view of the fact that this bot has been plaguing usenet
forums having nothing to do with Scn for quite some time before it
popped up on a.r.s.
Oh. Someone cut me off in traffic this a.m. Must be a Dianetic plot.
> There is a
> person controlling the *bot*.
Sure. See above.
>I hope you are not one of those
> who thinks there is NOT! Would you like me to get the name
> of the person? I saw it listed i think in alt.kooks
> hall of fame along with the name of Barbara Schwarz.
Sure. Get the name. And the proof that that is the designer/controller
of the bot.
C
Zinj
amaflu...@yahoo.com says...
I thought even you had twigged to the fact that even though the 'Lady
Chatterly Bot' may be a 'bot', that it shows recurrent and unmistakable
examples of very 'non-botlike' behavior and commentary. I know I've seen
you mention this, so why attempt to retreat to the 'it's only a bot'
position?
There are even such examples in the last few days, although I've stopped
pointing them out for the most part, considering the necessity
redundant.
When is a 'bot' not *just* a bot?
When it's 'somebody's' 'bot'.
There's not even any necessity for the 'lady chatterly bot' to be *one*
bot, since, like all 'programs' it can be duplicated *and* adapted or
directed at will.
Android Cat
> gig...@netscape.net wrote:
>> Ball of Fluff wrote:
>>>
>>> Lady Chatterly is a 'bot and was posting on other usenet forums long
>>> before it hit a.r.s.
>>
>> Lady Chatterly, is an Experiment in Dianetics.
>
> Interesting in view of the fact that this bot has been plaguing usenet
> forums having nothing to do with Scn for quite some time before it
> popped up on a.r.s.
>
> Oh. Someone cut me off in traffic this a.m. Must be a Dianetic plot.
The real bot doesn't have a CoS connection. When it first showed up ARS, it
was mainly following people who crosspost a lot in other groups. It's hard
to say how much the bot-meister slips in his/her own input and steering.
It's quite good at lifting bits of other people's text from the newsgroup
and dropping them into its posts (not just the text it's replying to) for
that human-sounding touch. Other times, it's made quite pithy comments that
are hard to credit to a bot.
Important to remember: forging the Lady Chatterly is trivial for anyone else
who wants to join in the fun. If CoS wanted to, they could run up the noise
level quite a bit on ARS without it being obvious, except to the
bot-meister. However, it's easy enough to kill-file all the posts. (Except
on Google, hah!)
The bot-meister has already quoted me three times in the bot signature
cookie file. (Once from another group, I think.) I suspect I'm about to be
quoted again. (And maybe later in someone's thesis paper. ;^)
--
Ron of that ilk.
Do not underestimate the power of the September side of the Force!
gig...@netscape.net
If you wanted the list all you had to do was ask for it.
You didn't have to act stupid, just to get it.
Here it is..
~~~
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/whiners.html
September Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
November Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
stevej...@yahoo.com
> If you wanted the list all you had to do was ask for it.
> You didn't have to act stupid, just to get it.
> Here it is..
>
> ~~~
>
> http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/whiners.html
Darn! I didn't make it.
>
> September Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
> November Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
I agree with you on the Lady C issue Bruce.
gig...@netscape.net
into the google groups search routine.
l8r
gig...@netscape.net
Got any evidence to prove it.
bd4u
Barbara Schwarz
So what? Somebody with name "Heil" posts on a newsgroup known for
having anti-semitic posters. What should I think?
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Susan Cohen wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107488862....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Right, Claire, she got you there! You implied some guilt while the
Jews
> > were evidently targeted. They were "guilty" because Nazis (and the
> > psychs behind them) made them to the scapegoats of their
perversions.
> > They did not do anything wrong, except that they were more
successful
> > than the average German. The Nazis were jealous.
> >
> > But I wish they would have fought back better, Susan, the way you
do
> > it.
>
> I have their example to inspire me.
> They had no frame of reference.
> They innocently believed that no one could be so evil.
> Now we know better.
We indeed do.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
realpch wrote:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> >
> > realpch wrote:
> <snip>
> > >Well, I'd have
> > > my idea of "god" all worked out too.
> >
> > What is God then in your mind?
>
> Well, I'm an agnostic Barbara, so I don't really have one. For
purposes
> of starting a religion, I think I'd choose something vague,
> unthreatening, and poetic: "God is the spaces between the green
leaves."
As you do not believe in God and just in plants, you should not call
your movement a religion then.
>
> > > > >In fact, maybe I'll go start one.
> > > > Knock yourself out. :) How do you want to call your cult? (Just
> > > > kidding!)
> > > > The Peach Church. Wonder what apostates will post then on
> > > > Alt.Peach.Religion about the founder.
> > >
> > > Oh, they'll probably insult my shoes!
> > You never forget that part, but as I said, I have some ugly shoes
in my
> > closet too. I just would
> > laugh it off.
>
> Hey! The entire episode fills me with merriment.
> ; )
>
> > However, if your "religion" (moral group) is any good, they would
not
> > insult your shoes but
> > rather copy you. That means, they would buy those kind of shoes you
are
> > wearing and then we
> > have the Peach-Shoe-Cult. Not shaved heads but long braids and very
> > unusual shoes, that is how
> > your followers will be recognized. :)
>
> Sounds good to me. Maybe I could make a little money by marketing
> special religious ugly shoes and clip on braids.
This where I draw the line, Peach. It is alright to make fun of your
non-religious shoes, but don't make fund on religions by saying you
will market "ugly religious shoes", that is offensive to any religious
person.
>
> > Anyway, you might not have the intention to form any cult, as L.
Ron
> > Hubbard did not, but infiltrators build one against your wishes.
And
> > you tell them not to do that and that and behave like responsible
for
> > themselves thinking people but they go ahead and alter even your
> > writings to make it cult-like.
> > What then, Peach?
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> <snip>
>
> Ah! Now if I to create a religion there is no way it could turn out
like
> Mr. Hubbard's, whose creation is very much a likeness of himself.
Mine
> would be a likeness of myself. Mr. Hubbard and myself are very
different creatures.
You are right about the last one. He was religious and you not.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Peach
Barbara Schwarz
What an idiot. Chatterly is a bot and the person who controls it is no
Scientologist, rather Gigo.
>There is a
> person controlling the *bot*. I hope you are not one of those
> who thinks there is NOT! Would you like me to get the name
> of the person? I saw it listed i think in alt.kooks
> hall of fame along with the name of Barbara Schwarz.
I see that alt.kook is such a reliable source of reference for a guy
with your IQ. Only kooks are occupied with kooks.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Riain wrote:
> Its her SURNAME, BLACK!
That is not my surname, Barton! Thanks for the "friendly" information.
Barbara Schwarz
Imaginary Marty Rathbun deRothschild
stevej...@yahoo.com
> > > http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/whiners.html
> >
> > Darn! I didn't make it.
> >
> > >
> > > September Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
> > > November Lady Chatterly [Michelle Devereaux]
> >
> > I agree with you on the Lady C issue Bruce.
>
> Got any evidence to prove it.
No. I just got the feeling that many of the posts were directed by a
person. I also kind of assumed that this was a Scientology supporter
since the purpose of most of them was to make fun of their critics.
But no solid evidence, sorry.
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
> > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > >
> > > realpch wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > >Well, I'd have
> > > > my idea of "god" all worked out too.
> > >
> > > What is God then in your mind?
> >
> > Well, I'm an agnostic Barbara, so I don't really have one. For
> purposes
> > of starting a religion, I think I'd choose something vague,
> > unthreatening, and poetic: "God is the spaces between the green
> leaves."
>
> As you do not believe in God and just in plants, you should not call
> your movement a religion then.
Agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve. And if I chose to say god is
one thing or another, who is to say my supposition is any more right or
wrong than anyone elses.
Oh go pull the other one Barbara. What are you doing, looking for a
fight today?
> > > Anyway, you might not have the intention to form any cult, as L.
> Ron
> > > Hubbard did not, but infiltrators build one against your wishes.
> And
> > > you tell them not to do that and that and behave like responsible
> for
> > > themselves thinking people but they go ahead and alter even your
> > > writings to make it cult-like.
> > > What then, Peach?
> > >
> > > Barbara Schwarz
> > <snip>
> >
> > Ah! Now if I to create a religion there is no way it could turn out
> like
> > Mr. Hubbard's, whose creation is very much a likeness of himself.
> Mine
> > would be a likeness of myself. Mr. Hubbard and myself are very
> different creatures.
>
> You are right about the last one. He was religious and you not.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > Peach
I don't think it's any big compliment calling someone religious! It
covers a lot of extremely dicey territory.
Peach
Ball of Fluff
<gig...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1107545525....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Didn't know there was such a list til *you* mentioned it, which, IIRC, was
*yesterday*.
> You didn't have to act stupid, just to get it.
> Here it is..
Don't see any proofs.
Perhaps you didn't read my post.
C
Ball of Fluff
<stevej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107559126.5...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You should probably look at the bot's posts on the many many non Scn ngs to
which it posts before you make such an assumption.
It treats everybody like that.
Of course it makes fun of critics on a.r.s. A.R.S. is mainly posted to *by*
critics.
C
Zinj
getof...@fluffentology.com says...
<snip>
> You should probably look at the bot's posts on the many many non Scn ngs to
> which it posts before you make such an assumption.
>
> It treats everybody like that.
>
> Of course it makes fun of critics on a.r.s. A.R.S. is mainly posted to *by*
> critics.
>
> C
Do you have any reason beyond intellectual laziness or opportunism to
think that the 'Lady Chatterly Bot' as executed over usenet in general
is the *only* or singular 'Lady Chatterly Bot'?
Zinj
<snip>
> I don't think it's any big compliment calling someone religious! It
> covers a lot of extremely dicey territory.
>
> Peach
But, when 'religious' is supposed to trigger a button designed to defuse
any other disagreement, as in:
'Sure they're weird, but it's religious!'
Or
'Don't scream about cutting that chicken's neck on your new white
carpet! It's religious!'
or
'Picking pockets is a *religious* practice; like begging bowls in other
cultures! Are you a bigot?'
'Religion' means *nothing* except to those exploiting it for their own
purposes.
Spirituality is a private matter; Religion is the organized and agreed
upon practice of 'Group Spirituality', which is *inherently* suspect.
realpch
Yes, I find it irritating myself. The word "religion" can certainly be a
thought stopper.
Peach
stevej...@yahoo.com
> Do you have any reason beyond intellectual laziness or opportunism to
> think that the 'Lady Chatterly Bot' as executed over usenet in
general
> is the *only* or singular 'Lady Chatterly Bot'?
Why do you ask if she had any reason beyond intellectual laziness or
Zinj
stevej...@yahoo.com says...
Because, not being a 'bot' myself, my rhetorical questions are intended
to stimulate pre-rhetorical thought processes, which may lead to
'cognitions' which may or may not lead to commonality of point of views
closer than a direct inquiry could possibly achieve, which itself might
lead to actual communication.
stevej...@yahoo.com
> > > Do you have any reason beyond intellectual laziness or
opportunism to
> >
> > > think that the 'Lady Chatterly Bot' as executed over usenet in
> > general
> > > is the *only* or singular 'Lady Chatterly Bot'?
> >
> > Why do you ask if she had any reason beyond intellectual laziness
or
> > opportunism to think that the 'Lady Chatterly Bot' as executed over
> > usenet in general is the *only* or singular 'Lady Chatterly Bot'?
>
> Because, not being a 'bot' myself,
Are you sure about this?
my rhetorical questions are intended
> to stimulate pre-rhetorical thought processes,
Is that what you intended?
which may lead to
> 'cognitions' which may or may not lead to commonality of point of
views
> closer than a direct inquiry could possibly achieve,
How do you know this is possible?
which itself might
> lead to actual communication.
How can you tell if it is actual?
stevej...@yahoo.com
BTW I notice that all the anti-Jewish people have dropped out of the
discussion. Do they lack the endurance of the Scientology debaters?
Larry T.
news:1107582901.0...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> BTW I notice that all the anti-Jewish people have dropped out of the
> discussion. Do they lack the endurance of the Scientology debaters?
>
Quite frankly, most people do not wake up in the morning and ponder for the
day a question such as this, myself included.
In my opinion, ANY religion that does not deliver the truth is not worth it.
OSA giving you some problems?
Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
stevej...@yahoo.com
> > BTW I notice that all the anti-Jewish people have dropped out of
the
> > discussion. Do they lack the endurance of the Scientology
debaters?
> >
>
> Quite frankly, most people do not wake up in the morning and ponder
for the
> day a question such as this, myself included.
I do. But mostly for entertainment.
>
> In my opinion, ANY religion that does not deliver the truth is not
worth it.
I don't think that almost anything taught by any religion is true; in
the literal, scientific sense.
>
> OSA giving you some problems?
Not so far. :-)
Zinj
stevej...@yahoo.com says...
<snip>
>> my rhetorical questions are intended
>> to stimulate pre-rhetorical thought processes,
> Is that what you intended?
Yes
>> which may lead to 'cognitions' which may or
>> may not lead to commonality of point of
>> views closer than a direct inquiry could possibly achieve,
> How do you know this is possible?
I don't. But I do know that not trying doesn't work.
>> which itself might lead to actual communication.
> How can you tell if it is actual?
Extraordinary intuition, self-confidence and a functioning bullshit
detector, as well as a willingness to be wrong and admit it.
Zinj
stevej...@yahoo.com says...
>
> BTW I notice that all the anti-Jewish people have dropped out of the
> discussion. Do they lack the endurance of the Scientology debaters?
The 'anti-jews' were only present because they were dragged in per
crosspost in a deliberate attempt to 'smear by association' as
Spacetraveler so often puts it.
After noticing that there was no particular interest in their bugaboo,
they went on to furrow more potentially lucrative fields.
Don't worry; our scientologists will have them back soon.