Marcus Group / MGE Inc.
mgo...@chello.nl
<http://www.mgeonline.com/> at the Corporate records search of Fairfax County,
VA http://www.state.va.us/scc/division/clk/diracc.htm
Note how MGE does try to label itself "Managing Group Expansion" instead of
"Marcus Group Enterprises". There's no mention of 'Marcus' on their site and
neither of Hubbard. Isn't that odd? They have managed to fly under the radar
and feel they don't need to be up front, it appears.
Marcus is on the WISE list of '99 as Marcus Group Enterprises, Inc. and ran by
scientologist Luis Colon
http://www.altreligionscientology.org/else/wise99.htm
Now it is run by "CEO, President and owner" Luis Colon and VP (I assume)
scientologist dentist Gregory Winteregg. That name appears on several
completions lists.
I did find a purged MGE Inc. in the corporate records database with no other
info availble. Or perhaps I can't get it out of the archaic system, which is
terrible and reminds me of Gopher. That was fun, this system is not.
0321380-8 MGE, INC. PURGED
12/31/95
This is them, the same address as on the MGE site:
MARCUS GROUP ENTERPRISES, INC. (corp. id 0390861)
DATE OF CERTIFICATE: 04/30/1997 PERIOD OF DURATION: INDUSTRY CODE: 00
STATE OF INCORPORATION: VA VIRGINIA STOCK INDICATOR: S STOCK
MERGER IND: S SURVIVOR CONVERSION/DOMESTICATION IND:
GOOD STANDING IND: Y MONITOR INDICATOR:
CHARTER FEE: 50.00 CASE NO: CASE STATUS: HEARING DTE:
R/A NAME: LUIS A COLON
STREET: 3975 UNIVERSITY DR SUITE 200 AR RTN MAIL:
CITY: FAIRFAX STATE : VA ZIP: 22030
R/A STATUS: P PRESIDENT EFF. DATE: 03/27/98 LOC.: 129
ACCEPTED AR#: 204 18 0721 DATE: 03/01/04 FAIRFAX COUNTY
CURRENT AR#: 204 18 0721 DATE: 03/01/04 STATUS: A ASSESSMENT INDICATOR: 0
YEAR FEES PENALTY INTEREST TAXES BALANCE TOTAL SHARES
04 220.00 25,000
This is them too, again same address, different registered agent name:
MARCUS GROUP SERVICES, INC., THE (corp. id 0465676)
DATE OF CERTIFICATE: 05/09/1996 PERIOD OF DURATION: INDUSTRY CODE:
00
STATE OF INCORPORATION: VA VIRGINIA STOCK INDICATOR: S STOCK
MERGER IND: N NON-SURVIVOR CONVERSION/DOMESTICATION IND:
GOOD STANDING IND: N MERGED MONITOR INDICATOR:
CHARTER FEE: 50.00 CASE NO: CASE STATUS: HEARING DTE:
R/A NAME: JUDY MARCUS
STREET: 3975 UNIVERSITY DR SUITE 200 AR RTN MAIL:
CITY: FAIRFAX STATE : VA ZIP: 22030
R/A STATUS: O ANY OTHER OFFIC EFF. DATE: 04/23/97 LOC.: 303
ACCEPTED AR#: 097 17 6709 DATE: 05/23/97 (129) FAIRFAX C
CURRENT AR#: 097 17 6709 DATE: 05/23/97 STATUS: A ASSESSMENT
INDICATOR: 0
YEAR FEES PENALTY INTEREST TAXES BALANCE TOTAL SHARES
97 50.00 1,000
I don't know about this one, might be totally unrelated:
MARCUS GROUP, INC. (corp. id 0465676)
DATE OF CERTIFICATE: 04/08/1992 PERIOD OF DURATION: INDUSTRY CODE:
00
STATE OF INCORPORATION: VA VIRGINIA STOCK INDICATOR: S STOCK
MERGER IND: CONVERSION/DOMESTICATION IND:
GOOD STANDING IND: N TERMINATED ( MONITOR INDICATOR:
CHARTER FEE: 50.00 CASE NO: CASE STATUS: HEARING DTE:
R/A NAME: MARK L. ESPOSITO
PENN STUART
STREET: 306 Piedmont Ave. AR RTN MAIL:
CITY: Bristol STATE : VA ZIP: 24201
R/A STATUS: A ATTORNEY EFF. DATE: 04/08/92 LOC.: 201
ACCEPTED AR#: 201 21 2312 DATE: 03/19/01 BRISTOL CITY
CURRENT AR#: 201 21 2312 DATE: 03/19/01 STATUS: A ASSESSMENT
INDICATOR: 0
YEAR FEES PENALTY INTEREST TAXES BALANCE TOTAL SHARES
02 110.00 11.00 121.00 25,000
The domain registration does not reveal much either:
Registrant:
MGE, Inc.
3975 University Dr Ste 200
Fairfax, VA 22030-2520
US
Domain Name: MGEONLINE.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
MGE, Inc.
Jeff Blumberg
3975 University Dr Ste 200
Fairfax, VA 22030-2520
US
703-218-1250
703-218-1259 [fax]
jeffbl...@juno.com
Another name that appears on completions lists.
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mgo...@chello.nl
<05v8b01ah1mfn360c...@4ax.com>:
>Marcus is on the WISE list of '99 as Marcus Group Enterprises, Inc. and ran by
>scientologist Luis Colon
>http://www.altreligionscientology.org/else/wise99.htm
>
>Now it is run by "CEO, President and owner" Luis Colon and VP (I assume)
>scientologist dentist Gregory Winteregg. That name appears on several
>completions lists.
Okay, this settles it for me:
Hello, my name is Greg Winteregg D.D.S., and here is a little bit about myself:
I am 43 years old and a graduate of the Indiana University School of
Dentistry. I have a great wife and three terrific children aged 15, 11, & 6. I
sold my Dental practice four years ago to become a Hubbard consultant and help
others do better in their dental practice and personal life.
http://scientologist.myhomepage.org/gregwintereggdds/myself.htm
I was introduced to Scientology through a company that was helping me with my
Dental practice.
http://scientologist.myhomepage.org/gregwintereggdds/success.htm
Android Cat
> Perhaps someone else has more luck but I draw a blank on MGE Inc
> <http://www.mgeonline.com/> at the Corporate records search of
> Fairfax County, VA http://www.state.va.us/scc/division/clk/diracc.htm
>
> Note how MGE does try to label itself "Managing Group Expansion"
> instead of "Marcus Group Enterprises". There's no mention of 'Marcus'
> on their site and neither of Hubbard. Isn't that odd? They have
> managed to fly under the radar and feel they don't need to be up
> front, it appears.
>
> Marcus is on the WISE list of '99 as Marcus Group Enterprises, Inc.
> and ran by scientologist Luis Colon
> http://www.altreligionscientology.org/else/wise99.htm
>
> Now it is run by "CEO, President and owner" Luis Colon and VP (I
> assume) scientologist dentist Gregory Winteregg. That name appears on
> several completions lists.
Two companies named MGE for short, both feeding on the same prey, both run
by Luis A. Colon. What exactly is the question? :)
At http://www.mgeonline.com/aboutmge.shtml it claims the company has been in
operation since at least 1991. And I notice that Marcus Group doesn't seem
to exist on the Internet any more.
www.mgeonline.com is at 128.121.30.51, but that IPA identifies itself as
www.hartaviationvideo.com. There's no reason to link Hart Aviation Video to
them other than they buy web hosting from the same company (probably
laser.net).
--
Ron of that ilk.
mgo...@chello.nl
wrote in <40b49d07$1...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>> Marcus is on the WISE list of '99 as Marcus Group Enterprises, Inc.
>> and ran by scientologist Luis Colon
>> http://www.altreligionscientology.org/else/wise99.htm
>>
>> Now it is run by "CEO, President and owner" Luis Colon and VP (I
>> assume) scientologist dentist Gregory Winteregg. That name appears on
>> several completions lists.
>
>Two companies named MGE for short, both feeding on the same prey, both run
>by Luis A. Colon. What exactly is the question? :)
Pfff.. never mind.. :-)
>
>At http://www.mgeonline.com/aboutmge.shtml it claims the company has been in
>operation since at least 1991. And I notice that Marcus Group doesn't seem
>to exist on the Internet any more.
Only critical pages I assume, so I've the pleasure of joining the two again on
the page about WISE:
Marcus Group Enterprises, Inc. / MGE Inc.
The Marcus Group is listed in the WISE '99 directory and was managed by
scientologist Luis Colon. Nowadays, May 2004, it seems they have dumped the use
of "Marcus Group Enterprises" (became too tainted?) and rather use MGE Inc. to
do their thing, trying to label themselves "Managing Group Expansion".
MGE Inc. is now managed by "CEO, President and owner" scientologist Luis Colon
and VP scientologist dentist Gregory Winteregg. A search performed in the
Corporate records search of Fairfax County, VA, revealed a purged MGE Inc. and
corporate records on Marcus Group Enterprises Inc. and a merged The Marcus Group
Services Inc. Both at the same address.
Marcus had its clients sign a rather odd contract:
I also agree that in the event of any litigation between MGE . . . and me which
is related in any way to my enrollment in the MGE program of Services, or to the
Materials, Books and/or Packs, I will pay all court costs and reasonable
attorney's fees incurred by MGE . . .
Costumers say they were funneled into Scientology via Marcus and lost huge sums
of money. One dentist gave 60-70 thousand dollar to Marcus and a whooping 125 -
135 thousand to Scientology. He felt ashamed, embarrassed and humiliated by his
experience.
Chicago dentists Barbara and William Z. went the same route, recruited into
Scientology via Marcus. They paid Scientology $100,000 for courses and later
once woken-up tried for over a year to get that money back and finally asked
someone to accompany them with a running camera. That camera man was then
arrested on public sidewalk by off-duty policy cops in plain clothes without
visible ID, hired by Scientology. Eventually they got a full refund and had to
sign a gag agreement.
Barbara and William did an interview that can be viewed in realvideo, which is a
must see for all dentists who are dealing with WISE companies like Marcus. It
givens an insight into how they were recruited and shows that no one is immune.
Cults use your own desires against you. Don't let it happen that you have to
write one day "I was introduced to Scientology through a company that was
helping me with my Dental practice." These are the exact words as written by MGE
Inc. Vice-President scientologists Gregory Winteregg. There are ethical
management consultants who are not pushed to make more money by making you their
next scientologist recruit and just think of all the money and trouble you will
save yourself and your family by doing a little online research.
>
>www.mgeonline.com is at 128.121.30.51, but that IPA identifies itself as
>www.hartaviationvideo.com. There's no reason to link Hart Aviation Video to
>them other than they buy web hosting from the same company (probably
>laser.net).
Is that normal? I haven't a clue about that stuff.
Btw, I have put that scan out of WISE mag to better use, I hope
http://whyaretheydead.net/misc/work/ot-consultants.html
ptsc
>Marcus had its clients sign a rather odd contract:
>I also agree that in the event of any litigation between MGE . . . and me which
>is related in any way to my enrollment in the MGE program of Services, or to the
>Materials, Books and/or Packs, I will pay all court costs and reasonable
>attorney's fees incurred by MGE . . .
This isn't odd, really. It's actually standard. However, this only applies if
MGE is the prevailing party, although it appears to state otherwise.
What's after the ". . ."?
It is almost certainly invalid if it purports to slap you with costs and fees
even if you win.
Android Cat
Usually the court decides if anyone gets awarded costs. I guess this is
just to grease the process and make people think twice before suing them.
Are you supposed to pay their bills if you win?
And at some point aren't you supposed to route complaints through a WISE
"court"? From the stories of Tory and others, that doesn't work too well.
(Of course not, they're upstat from all the money they've obtained from the
people trying to get it back!)
> Barbara and William did an interview that can be viewed in realvideo,
> which is a must see for all dentists who are dealing with WISE
> companies like Marcus. It givens an insight into how they were
> recruited and shows that no one is immune.
>
> Cults use your own desires against you. Don't let it happen that you
> have to write one day "I was introduced to Scientology through a
> company that was helping me with my Dental practice." These are the
> exact words as written by MGE Inc. Vice-President scientologists
> Gregory Winteregg. There are ethical management consultants who are
> not pushed to make more money by making you their next scientologist
> recruit and just think of all the money and trouble you will save
> yourself and your family by doing a little online research.
>
>> www.mgeonline.com is at 128.121.30.51, but that IPA identifies
>> itself as www.hartaviationvideo.com. There's no reason to link Hart
>> Aviation Video to them other than they buy web hosting from the same
>> company (probably laser.net).
>
> Is that normal? I haven't a clue about that stuff.
Sure, with virtual hosting. Many domains can point to an IP address (or a
pool of IPAs), but an IP address can only rDNS to one domain name. The web
server knows which site to serve up by the Host: line in the HTTP request
from the browser. Surfing to http://128.121.30.51 gives the default page.
(Which is the default default page. :) It's usually only of interest when
the ISP/hosting company is clammy like relaypoint, outflow or thunderstar.
Or that interesting cluster of servers on Earthlink (Pasadena) for Narconon,
Delphi, Healthmed, Human Rights and Tolerance, etc.
> Btw, I have put that scan out of WISE mag to better use, I hope
> http://whyaretheydead.net/misc/work/ot-consultants.html
Pre-search engines and tracking critic pages like yours, a little hey-presto
name change would have been enough to hide them. Hopefully more people do a
little homework before getting involved.
It's amazing how many WISE "management consultant" companies there are.
(Convicted spy-master Janice Wheeler has one.) Suddenly Slender franchises
are popular too (17 day crash-diet plan?), with WISE companies to sell them
vitamins. They even get WISE-connected companes to do their web sites to
keep it all in house...
mgo...@chello.nl
<70i9b09452u6bod42...@4ax.com>:
>>Marcus had its clients sign a rather odd contract:
>
>>I also agree that in the event of any litigation between MGE . . . and me which
>>is related in any way to my enrollment in the MGE program of Services, or to the
>>Materials, Books and/or Packs, I will pay all court costs and reasonable
>>attorney's fees incurred by MGE . . .
>
>This isn't odd, really. It's actually standard. However, this only applies if
>MGE is the prevailing party, although it appears to state otherwise.
>What's after the ". . ."?
___J. I also agree that in the event of any litigation between MGE
and/or any of its officers, directors, employees, agents or
representatives ( such individuals and/or entities, the "Individuals")
and me which is related in any way to my enrollment in the MGE program
of Services, or to the Materials, Books and/or Packs, I will pay all
court costs and reasonable attorney's fees incurred by MGE and/or any
of the individuals in the defense or prosecution of such litigation.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jpv0ss8nhl0n6afj2pnq7tg4uuicjpp8ll%404ax.com&output=gplain
>It is almost certainly invalid if it purports to slap you with costs and fees
>even if you win.
It sure seems that way to me.
mgo...@chello.nl
wrote in <40b4...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>> Marcus had its clients sign a rather odd contract:
...
>Usually the court decides if anyone gets awarded costs. I guess this is
>just to grease the process and make people think twice before suing them.
>Are you supposed to pay their bills if you win?
>
>And at some point aren't you supposed to route complaints through a WISE
>"court"? From the stories of Tory and others, that doesn't work too well.
>(Of course not, they're upstat from all the money they've obtained from the
>people trying to get it back!)
That is amazing but no, not via WISE. However I would recond that if one of the
consultants would steer up shit that WISE is called in some time. Note also that
this contract is copyrighted in 1994. A lot can have changed in the legal
papers. But to answer you:
___I. That in the event an unresolvable dispute arises between me and
MGE, I agree that all matters be arbitrated at and through the branch
of the American Arbitration Association which is closest to Fairfax.
The parties also agree to bear their own court costs and attorney's
fees and expenses charged by the American Arbitration Association and
its Arbitrator. The parties agree that any judgment upon the award
rendered in such Arbitration proceeding shall be final and
non-appealable, and that such judgment may be entered in any court
having jurisdiction thereof.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jpv0ss8nhl0n6afj2pnq7tg4uuicjpp8ll%404ax.com&output=gplain
>Pre-search engines and tracking critic pages like yours, a little hey-presto
>name change would have been enough to hide them. Hopefully more people do a
>little homework before getting involved.
The sad part is that sometimes they do after signing up (like Valerie) and
there's no way to get your money back. I can point them to the lists and other
stuff but the contracts are of course airtight. Marcus mentions (pretty explicit
I might add) the cult and Hubbard too so, there's no grounds to whine about
that.
ptsc
wrote:
>mgo...@chello.nl wrote:
>> I also agree that in the event of any litigation between MGE . . .
>> and me which is related in any way to my enrollment in the MGE
>> program of Services, or to the Materials, Books and/or Packs, I will
>> pay all court costs and reasonable attorney's fees incurred by MGE .
>Usually the court decides if anyone gets awarded costs.
Usually. One exception is when a contract between the parties has a prevailing
party cost and fees clause, like the above.
>I guess this is
>just to grease the process and make people think twice before suing them.
>Are you supposed to pay their bills if you win?
I think such a clause would be void, as it would effectively waive unwaivable
rights in suits over unspecified future wrongs.