Houston picket opportunity
Tilman Hausherr
While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
complained of not being able to picket:
http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
5714 Dolores Street
The advantage of picketing a scientology school is that you just need to
picket one 30min window (morning) and one 15min window (afternoon). Some
intelligence gathering needs to be done, to get the correct times. But
in a successful picket you would get more "audience" per minute than in
any other place. Leaflets should focus on Hubbard's bogus education
instead of Lisa McPherson. You could make copies of the LA Weekly
article as "2nd" leaflet, i.e. for people who approach you.
Suggestions for signs:
L. RON HUBBARD
EDUCATION
FAILURE
SCIENTOLOGY:
DESTROYING
KIDS FUTURE
HUBBARD
IS A
RACIST
SCIENTOLOGY
RUN BY A
HIGH SCHOOL
DROP-OUT
L. RON HUBBARD
GRAMMAR
TERRORIST
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/mystory/study.html
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Tommy_sp...@xs.net
Keith wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:35:13 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
> wrote:
>
> >Some intelligence gathering needs to be done,
>
>
> Keith
> -------------------------------
Keith, Keith, Keith - can you not get it through your head - this is
NOT your local org. The "What's your crimes" schtick means nothing here,
except that it makes you look like a fool. At least Enzo and Russ can
communicate in English. If posts like this are supposed to make you look
good to your comrades when you turn them in, that's one thing. But if
you think that anyone here is impressed by your schauspieler impression
you are quite wrong.
Anyway, what business of yours is it if he works for the eeeeevil
psych lords, Bob Minton, or the Fifth Marcabian Invasion Fleet? And what
would you do if he said he did work for the Marcabs ? Are you truly so
far into hubbard's fantasy that you believe that Tegeeackians work hand
in .....er.......claw with invading space aliens? If so, I suggest a
looong vacation.
Jeez, no wonder $cienos are afraid of psychiatrists.........
Tommy
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illegal
has no bearing on the Keith Henson case."
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The invisible 1
Tilman Hausherr wrote:
>
> While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
> scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
> complained of not being able to picket:
>
> http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
> 5714 Dolores Street
>
>
>
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Thank you for the URL on the study tech opinions. I had not realized
that they are so pervasive, or so mind limiting.
I like to keep an eye on the school systems, as my son goes to a
public elementary school, and I like to know what the kids are studying
and what methods they are using.
Please don't hesitate to let us ars'er parents know anything further
about this subject.
--The invis.
Flamethrowers need not apply.
Patrick L Humphrey
In <35965434...@news.snafu.de>, Tilman Hausherr (til...@berlin.snafu.de) writes:
>While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
>scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
>complained of not being able to picket:
> http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
> 5714 Dolores Street
The only problem I can see with that is that the 5700 block of Dolores is in
an area that's still primarily residential -- it's just southeast of the
intersection of Chimney Rock and Westheimer, and I grew up in that end of
Houston -- so it'd be best to have a better idea of just how the neighbors
might feel about it before proceeding. (A lot of Houston neighborhoods have
civic associations, but a lot don't -- and I'm not whether this particular
neighborhood has such an association or not.)
>The advantage of picketing a scientology school is that you just need to
>picket one 30min window (morning) and one 15min window (afternoon). Some
>intelligence gathering needs to be done, to get the correct times. But
>in a successful picket you would get more "audience" per minute than in
>any other place. Leaflets should focus on Hubbard's bogus education
>instead of Lisa McPherson. You could make copies of the LA Weekly
>article as "2nd" leaflet, i.e. for people who approach you.
>Suggestions for signs:
Good suggestions for signs...assuming the other details could be worked out,
the timing would be the biggest hurdle for me, as I work days. If the school
day started early enough or ended late enough, I _might_ be able to help out
on my way to or from work. (Of course, I wouldn't disappoint "Tom Wright",
since I'd be pedaling...matter of fact, every event in Houston we've crossed
paths at, I've pedaled there. Go figure.)
If any other Houston critics are interested, I'd like to know your thoughts --
personally, I don't know if Tanglewood even has classes during the summer or
not, so we might have until later in the summer to coordinate this thing.
--PLH, whose page is up for all to see at http://is.rice.edu/~patrick/ars.html
jbwebb
I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
Also, the school is in a weird, off the beaten tract location. Their
would be NO advantage to picketing, except to scare little
kindergarteners out of their minds.
No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
involving innocent children is necessary.
Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
right now? Are you nuts? Do you want us to die of heat stroke? I
mean, Patrick can bike all over Houston -- that's his perogative. Me,
I'm too spoiled.
Take care
Joni
Tilman Hausherr
>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
critically.
>Also, the school is in a weird, off the beaten tract location. Their
>would be NO advantage to picketing, except to scare little
>kindergarteners out of their minds.
We could hand out balloons!
>No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>involving innocent children is necessary.
Ask this the scientologists. They destroy these children's future.
>Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
>right now? Are you nuts?
Not on 8am, when the parents bring their kids to school. Maybe on 4pm,
but we'll just picket naked:-)
Tilman
john smith
In article <6kuqlb$ham$1...@joe.rice.edu>, pat...@rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) wrote:
>If any other Houston critics are interested, I'd like to know your thoughts --
>personally, I don't know if Tanglewood even has classes during the summer or
>not, so we might have until later in the summer to coordinate this thing.
>
>--PLH, whose page is up for all to see at http://is.rice.edu/~patrick/ars.html
>
I've never picketed before, and there's never been an opportunity to "get my
feet wet" doing it (as I never see any Houston pickets getting organized).
However, I face some of the same hurdles you do (work days, etc).
For me, personally, it'd be much easier to arrange time to picket either the
Tanglewood location or the mission on Fondren on a weekend, though I
understand picketing the Tangelwood location on a weekend would make it a
pretty moot issue :)
john smith
In article <357307...@idt.net>, jbw...@idt.net wrote:
>Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
>mean, Patrick can bike all over Houston -- that's his perogative. Me,
>I'm too spoiled.
>
>Take care
>Joni
(grin) I'm not so much worried about the heat myself. I teach a martial arts
class twice a week, and I figure that if I can make students let me stand on
their stomachs while they do legs lifts in this heat, I certainly wont
begrudge a little time carrying a sign :)
Pimoty
Keith seems to drop all pretense of not being a scientologist when he asks:
Who do you work for and how much do they pay you, Tilman?
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Pimoty
Hi Rod, did you notice that you 'caused' Tilman to suggest the picket ? How
does it feel to have been responsible for an upcoming picketing event ?
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <35965434...@news.snafu.de>,
til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>
> While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
> scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
> complained of not being able to picket:
>
> http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
> 5714 Dolores Street
>
> picket one 30min window (morning) and one 15min window (afternoon). Some
> intelligence gathering needs to be done, to get the correct times. But
> in a successful picket you would get more "audience" per minute than in
> any other place.
You really are desperate, Tilman, to come up with such propaganda. Do
you know the result of this campaign? You will be ridiculed because
of the millions of adults and children who have been helped. Rod.
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The invisible 1
Just a note to the parents out there...
Here's an idea to keep a close eye on what is being taught:
Ask the local school if they allow parents to (please pardon the
term) audit their classes. This means the parents, or anyone that wants
to, within the rules of the school district/board/whatever, can go in
and watch the children being taught. I have done it a number of times
(for an unrelated reason), and I think it would be useful if the
parents/guardians knew first hand what learning techniques are being
used. If the school does not allow this, talk to the parent/teachers
association, or the district/county.
As I see it, the key to keeping our children safe and secure is close
involvement with all areas of their lives, not just after school.
--A little ranting from The invis.
Patrick L. Humphrey
jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
I have no idea how large the enrollment is, to be truthful...I _have_ been by
it a couple of times, and it's not that large a building, so I'd suspect that
50 would be an upper bound for the student population.
>Also, the school is in a weird, off the beaten tract location. Their
>would be NO advantage to picketing, except to scare little
>kindergarteners out of their minds.
It's not all that far out of the way -- it's a whopping two blocks from the
leading edge of the ever-encroaching Richmond Strip development -- but I have
reservations, as well, about picketing in front of children who are _that_
young. Explanations of why we're doing it aren't going to be easy, to someone
like that. (Having two grandchildren, I _know_ how hard it is to explain
simpler things than that! :-)
>No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>involving innocent children is necessary.
>Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
>right now? Are you nuts? Do you want us to die of heat stroke? I
>mean, Patrick can bike all over Houston -- that's his perogative. Me,
>I'm too spoiled.
Hot? *Hot*? This is June. That means we've got another month until the REAL
summer begins around here! :-) (I _can_ pedal all over town, but
fortunately, Dale and I are going to be out of here next week making the
annual trip home to Kentucky to annoy my parents. Even I have my limits. :-)
--PLH, pedaling to Galveston last Saturday was one of them
Patrick L. Humphrey
gunbu...@yahoo.com (Keith) writes:
>On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:35:13 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
>wrote:
>>Some intelligence gathering needs to be done,
>Who do you work for and how much do they pay you, Tilman?
He works for the ARSCC, of course...and if he helps us with a picket of the
Tanglewood Academy, he'll get the world's best burger from the Fuddruckers a
couple of blocks down Chimney Rock. If not that, there's always the JCI on
Westheimer...or Jason's Deli...or the Texadelphia down Westheimer at
Greenridge. Eat your heart out, RumBunny -- us critics can afford to eat more
than beans and rice (even though there's some pretty good _red_ beans and rice
to be had the other way down Richmond at the Ragin' Cajun). :-)
--PLH, an SP 3...and life is good.
Patrick L. Humphrey
jsm...@jsmith.com (john smith) writes:
>In article <6kuqlb$ham$1...@joe.rice.edu>, pat...@rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) wrote:
>>If any other Houston critics are interested, I'd like to know your thoughts --
>>personally, I don't know if Tanglewood even has classes during the summer or
>>not, so we might have until later in the summer to coordinate this thing.
>>--PLH,whose page is up for all to see at http://is.rice.edu/~patrick/ars.html
>I've never picketed before, and there's never been an opportunity to "get my
>feet wet" doing it (as I never see any Houston pickets getting organized).
>However, I face some of the same hurdles you do (work days, etc).
Exactly...that's why about the only opportunities I'll have are going to be on
weekends, and then maybe not then, depending on whether or not Dale is at
work.
>For me, personally, it'd be much easier to arrange time to picket either the
>Tanglewood location or the mission on Fondren on a weekend, though I
>understand picketing the Tangelwood location on a weekend would make it a
>pretty moot issue :)
...which would be kind of like them returning the favor by picketing my
employers on a weekend during the summer -- the difference is, we _know_
better than to do that. :-)
--PLH, that's why we're critics, not clams...we think.
Patrick L. Humphrey
til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) writes:
>In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
>>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
>without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
>inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
>brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
>critically.
I think Joni's got a valid point or two -- first of all, if we're going to
contemplate doing this in the first place, it would be best to know a few
things: how is Scientology involved in the curriculum, and how many of the
students are there because their parents are Scientologists?
>>Also, the school is in a weird, off the beaten tract location. Their
>>would be NO advantage to picketing, except to scare little
>>kindergarteners out of their minds.
>We could hand out balloons!
We could, but as she and I have pointed out, despite this school's location,
there is not very much traffic through the neighborhood -- it's been pretty
quiet as long as I've lived in Houston, and that's 33 years, now -- and we'd
have additional work to do to answer any questions the locals may have about
our presence there.
>>No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>>involving innocent children is necessary.
>Ask this the scientologists. They destroy these children's future.
We need to find out just how involved they are, first.
>>Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
>>right now? Are you nuts?
>Not on 8am, when the parents bring their kids to school. Maybe on 4pm,
>but we'll just picket naked:-)
You've obviously never experienced the joy of living in the five-month
steambath that is the typical Houston summer...but trust me, you don't _want_
to be out in the sun any more than necessary at 16:00 around here. That's the
hottest time of day. (Besides, we _could_ picket naked, but the cops would
just assume that Joni was on her lunch break from Rick's down the block, and
they'd probably assume us to be on break from La Bare a few blocks away...and
even without that worry, remember: sunburn is NOT fun. :-)
--PLH, didn't participate in the streaking craze back in 1974, and isn't going
to join it now :)
Patrick L. Humphrey
rod_fl...@hotmail.com writes:
>In article <35965434...@news.snafu.de>,
> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>> While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
>> scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
>> complained of not being able to picket:
>> http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
>> 5714 Dolores Street
>> The advantage of picketing a scientology school is that you just need to
>> picket one 30min window (morning) and one 15min window (afternoon). Some
>> intelligence gathering needs to be done, to get the correct times. But
>> in a successful picket you would get more "audience" per minute than in
>> any other place.
>You really are desperate, Tilman, to come up with such propaganda. Do
>you know the result of this campaign? You will be ridiculed because
>of the millions of adults and children who have been helped. Rod.
Lighten up, "Rod" -- you've got until Thursday to get your stats up, anyway.
Do you really think that _millions_ of adults and children have been helped
because of the existence of one ratty little school (in a former house) in a
southwest Houston neighborhood that doesn't get very much foot _or_ vehicular
traffic -- and only then in the last tow or three years?
If Scientology really were expanding, as you like to bellow it is, you'd think
the Houston mission could afford to use their own damn phone to plug their
"orientation" film -- but they can't even do that, instead having to use the
home phone of one of their own culties for that purpose. (It's pretty easy to
figure out, for those of us who live here -- the mission number is in 713-974,
while the number they were pushing for their little film was a 713-772 number
-- and those two prefixes are in different calling offices. Of course, the
mission _could_ be running their 713-77-CLEAR line out of the office there on
Fondren -- but Southwestern Bell charges a _lot_ for foreign-exchange
service.)
The conclusion: Scientology is steadily imploding in Houston...and that's all
right by me.
--PLH, for one thing, it means I can eat at Fuzzy's without having to put up
with the local clams
jbwebb
Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>
(Besides, we _could_ picket naked, but the cops would
> just assume that Joni was on her lunch break from Rick's down the block
Heh-heh, I WISH I had the body to work at Ricks. No, I'm afraid no one
would take me for a Rick's body, but thanks. :-)
Patrick L. Humphrey
jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
I have a feeling they'd be more likely to take you for working at Rick's than
to take *me* to be working at La Bare...:-)
--PLH, if you hear the laughter, you'll know Dale's seen _this_ post
john smith
In article <szkemx7...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
>gunbu...@yahoo.com (Keith) writes:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:35:13 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
>>wrote:
>
>
>
>He works for the ARSCC, of course...and if he helps us with a picket of the
>Tanglewood Academy, he'll get the world's best burger from the Fuddruckers a
>couple of blocks down Chimney Rock. If not that, there's always the JCI on
>Westheimer...or Jason's Deli...or the Texadelphia down Westheimer at
>Greenridge. Eat your heart out, RumBunny -- us critics can afford to eat more
>than beans and rice (even though there's some pretty good _red_ beans and rice
>to be had the other way down Richmond at the Ragin' Cajun). :-)
>
>--PLH, an SP 3...and life is good.
Dont forget that there's some pretty good sushi bars within a half mile or so
of the area, if you're into that sort of thing :)
Steve Jebson
Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>
> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) writes:
>
> >In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
>
> >>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
> >>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
> >>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
> >>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>
> >They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
> >without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
> >inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
> >brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
> >critically.
I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
likely
to upset the kids and their families.
What's much better is by watching the local publications where such
things
are advertised, or even by calling the school and asking for
information,
to get the time and place of the meetings they use to promote
the school to parents and picket that. It's very likely that they are
pushing the school to non-Scners, and these people should know what
their
kids are being taught. Also, a large portion os the fees charged by any
of these groups is skimmed directly to RTC. I think parents would want
to know what they're financing.
Tilman Hausherr
In <3574D6...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>, Steve Jebson
<nais...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> wrote:
>I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
>likely
>to upset the kids and their families.
The same could be said about picketing an org. It is also "upsetting",
and "rotten PR" (from the scientology viewpoint), since it is a
"church". What I find upsetting is that these scientology schools are
legal, schools where children's mind are hurt with thought-stopping
technique of word clearing.
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos
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Rod Keller
Tilman Hausherr (til...@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <3574D6...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>, Steve Jebson
: >I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
: >likely
: >to upset the kids and their families.
:
: The same could be said about picketing an org. It is also "upsetting",
: and "rotten PR" (from the scientology viewpoint), since it is a
: "church". What I find upsetting is that these scientology schools are
: legal, schools where children's mind are hurt with thought-stopping
: technique of word clearing.
I won't picket a school either, although I do find them upsetting.
--
Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
Keith Henson
Steve Jebson (nais...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com) wrote:
: Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
: >
: > til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) writes:
: >
: > >In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
: >
: > >>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
: > >>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
: > >>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
: > >>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
: >
: > >They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
: > >without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
: > >inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
: > >brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
: > >critically.
: I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
: likely to upset the kids and their families.
I think it is worth trying. It seems likely to get the parents who are
not scientologists (if any) into investigating what they are dealing
with. Keith Henson
Patrick L. Humphrey
jsm...@jsmith.com (john smith) writes:
>In article <szkemx7...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
[defending Tilman from RumBunny's inept DA attempt]
>>He works for the ARSCC, of course...and if he helps us with a picket of the
>>Tanglewood Academy, he'll get the world's best burger from the Fuddruckers a
>>couple of blocks down Chimney Rock. If not that, there's always the JCI on
>>Westheimer...or Jason's Deli...or the Texadelphia down Westheimer at
>>Greenridge. Eat your heart out, RumBunny -- us critics can afford to eat more
>>than beans and rice(even though there's some pretty good _red_ beans and rice
>>to be had the other way down Richmond at the Ragin' Cajun). :-)
>>--PLH, an SP 3...and life is good.
>Dont forget that there's some pretty good sushi bars within a half mile or so
>of the area, if you're into that sort of thing :)
True...Sasaki (if I remember right) is 1.5 miles or so out Westheimer just
past Fondren (and hey, less than a block from the mission! :)...of course,
_this_ SP would be heading for the Beck's Prime at Westheimer and Augusta.
Do you think the OSA morons are getting a bit hungry by now? ;-)
--PLH, what, me rub it in?
Fredric Rice
> >Some intelligence gathering needs to be done,
> Who do you work for and how much do they pay you, Tilman?
No doubt he works for the CIA and "the psychology cabal," huh?
Fredric Rice
> >I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
> >inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
> >children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
> >total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
> I have no idea how large the enrollment is, to be truthful...I _have_ been by
> it a couple of times, and it's not that large a building, so I'd suspect that
> 50 would be an upper bound for the student population.
I have to agree that it's a bad idea. It approaches the lack of ethics which
the crime syndicate engages in simply because -- regardless of what one
says about it -- it _is_ targeting innocent children. Their _parents_ are the
ones who need to acquire the education.
john smith
>
>>Dont forget that there's some pretty good sushi bars within a half mile or so
>>of the area, if you're into that sort of thing :)
>
>True...Sasaki (if I remember right) is 1.5 miles or so out Westheimer just
>past Fondren (and hey, less than a block from the mission! :)...of course,
>_this_ SP would be heading for the Beck's Prime at Westheimer and Augusta.
>Do you think the OSA morons are getting a bit hungry by now? ;-)
>
>--PLH, what, me rub it in?
Sasaki's is my favorite "close location" sushi bar! I'm about as far from
it as the Houston mission is...It beats Miyakos (up the road toward the
Galleria a couple miles) hands down for freshness and flavor. Price, on
the other hand, is a bit steeper...I've easily consumed $35.00 worth of sushi
and saki there at a single sitting. They have a Karaoke machine, but
fortunately, I've only ever been treated to THAT wonderful experience once at
that location.
Ginza (Fountainview and San Filipe) is my 2nd favorite nearby sushi bar.
Though in the last 5 years, they've "americanized" it quite a bit. Now, they
even give you spoons with your miso soup! (gasp!)
My least favorite Westheimer sushi bar is near Wilcrest, and was so horrible
that I have even blocked the name from memory :)
It's a shame that OSA get paid so little. Besides sushi and Beck's, there's a
wealth of good food on or near Westheimer and the mission. I'd be happy to
show any out-of-town picketers where they are if we ever have a picket of the
mission :) Kim Son, excellent upscale vietnamese restaurant (though they also
serve Chinese food). Doneraki's and Ninfa's, both excellent Mexican food (and
though it's not on the menu, next time you're at Ninfa's, order the "queso a
la parrilla"..you won't be disappointed!). There's an Old Sanfrancisco
Steakhouse between Sasaki's and the mission...the steak au puave (sp?) there
was excellent! Truluck's for "surf and turf". One mustn't forget the
prestigious (though exhorbantly expensive and slightly bland tasting) Vargo's
Restaurant or the slightly cajun Landry's seafood (if you order the appetizer
platter here, you might as well get a doggie bag in advance for your
dinner! It's that big.). Mid range food includes Denny's, House of Pies,
Jojo's (like Denny's and they serve beer), La Madeline (excellent french
food), and the Deli inside of Whole Foods market (for the health nuts).
Unfortuantely, Simpson's Diner closed recently...soon to become a "burger
prince" or something like that.
For the budget minded, there's several Chinese food buffets (Lucky Village,
Wok Bo), not to mention a little hole-in-the-wall chinese place about 150
yards from mission in the same strip center with the Baskin Robbins and
Hollywood Video. For cheap, fast food, there's James Coney Island, McDonalds,
Burger King (though the cleanliness of the store often leaves much to be
desired) Taco Bell, Fuddruckers (though it's "upscale" fast food),
Whataburger, and Jack-n-the-Box. All of these are within 2-10 minutes of the
mission. Venture a little farther, and you hit the "casual dining" scene,
such as Chili's, Outback Steakhouse, and the like.
Man, eating rice and beans all the time must suck :)
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <6l3che$n...@netaxs.com>,
rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>
> I won't picket a school either, although I do find them upsetting.
>
> --
> Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
> Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
> The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
> Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully
>
What - you can't deal with this? Come on - Tilman has
specific orders from his master to make this happen.
I know that you find it upsetting to miss an opportunity
to harass. Rod.
Patrick L. Humphrey
Steve Jebson <nais...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> writes:
>Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) writes:
>> >In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
>> >>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>> >>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>> >>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>> >>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>> >They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
>> >without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
>> >inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
>> >brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
>> >critically.
>I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and likely
>to upset the kids and their families.
I'm inclined to agree, at least as far as the kids go. Being the old-timer
that I am :) I'm loath to be getting in the kids' faces like that, because how
_do_ you explain your purpose for being there to someone who's not likely to
have any experience with such confrontational tactics, let alone understand
the larger issues involved?
>What's much better is by watching the local publications where such things
>are advertised, or even by calling the school and asking for information,
>to get the time and place of the meetings they use to promote
>the school to parents and picket that. It's very likely that they are
>pushing the school to non-Scners, and these people should know what their
>kids are being taught. Also, a large portion os the fees charged by any
>of these groups is skimmed directly to RTC. I think parents would want
>to know what they're financing.
I would hope so...but since you've brought it up, it would appear that if the
Tanglewood Academy do any advertising at all, they don't do it very
effectively, or at least not where large numbers of people could be expected
to see it. Right off the top of my head, the only instance I can think of
their appearing in _any_ local media was a boilerplate classified ad -- in
agate type -- in a local paper that's devoted to classified ads. That's not
what I'd call a major presence.
--PLH, go figure
Patrick L. Humphrey
hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) writes:
>Steve Jebson (nais...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com) wrote:
>: Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>: > til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) writes:
>: > >In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
>: > >>I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>: > >>inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>: > >>children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>: > >>total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>: > >They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
>: > >without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
>: > >inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
>: > >brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
>: > >critically.
>: I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
>: likely to upset the kids and their families.
>I think it is worth trying. It seems likely to get the parents who are
>not scientologists (if any) into investigating what they are dealing
>with. Keith Henson
I think Steve's got an idea, there -- we might be better off concentrating on
the parents, since I've got a feeling the kids didn't choose the school for
themselves. I still think we need to have a better idea of just how extensive
the Scientology infiltration into the school's curriculum is before we can
start putting together a plan, though...
--PLH, who will need to devote some more thought to this, not having picketed
a school since I did it in high school -- to the one I was attending :)
Patrick L. Humphrey
fr...@linkline.spam.com (Fredric Rice) writes:
>> >I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
>> >inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
>> >children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
>> >total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>>I have no idea how large the enrollment is, to be truthful...I _have_ been by
>>it a couple of times, and it's not that large a building, so I'd suspect that
>>50 would be an upper bound for the student population.
>I have to agree that it's a bad idea. It approaches the lack of ethics which
>the crime syndicate engages in simply because -- regardless of what one
>says about it -- it _is_ targeting innocent children. Their _parents_ are the
>ones who need to acquire the education.
I'm leaning that way -- I'd rather be trying to enlighten the parents, too.
Of course, as I've already said, I'd rather find out just how extensive the
Scientology infestation is in the school in the first place, before deciding
how to proceed...
--PLH, who'd love to see a Usenet version of Holy_Smoke :)
Patrick L. Humphrey
[all those good places to eat, and close to the mission, too]
At least the clams did _one_ thing right when they picked a location in
Houston...they landed fairly close to the concentration of eating
establishment along Westheimer. They didn't call the stretch between Stoney
Brook and Chimney Rock "Restaurant Row" for nothing when I was growing up.
(One nitpick, though: Simpson's Diner is gone, yes, but it's going to be
replaced by the reborn Prince's -- and as someone who grew up in Houston when
Prince's was still going strong, I'm glad to see their third location in this
incarnation will be conveniently close to me and Dale.)
Hey, clams, are you ready to blow yet? Just look at all the places _we_ get
to eat on Westheimer that you can't afford, if you're still in the
"Church"...:-)
--PLH, did I mention Church's Fried Chicken out on Westheimer between Walnut
Bend and Lakeside Estates? :-)
Patrick L. Humphrey
rod_fl...@hotmail.com writes:
>In article <6l3che$n...@netaxs.com>,
> rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>> I won't picket a school either, although I do find them upsetting.
> What - you can't deal with this? Come on - Tilman has
> specific orders from his master to make this happen.
What's true for you isn't necessarily true for anyone else, "Rod". At least
we'll treat him as a respected guest, should he come to Houston. You'll just
have to content yourself with peddling the Sunday Chronicle on the esplanade
on Westheimer next to the Houston mission, I guess.
> I know that you find it upsetting to miss an opportunity
> to harass. Rod.
Yep, that's what Scientology -- that supposedly makes you able to be more able
-- can do for you, all right...you can be a hateful little vermin like "Rod
Fletcher", who doesn't even have the balls to use his real name. How does it
feel to have a whole world of us wogs out here who are so completely at cause
over you OSA thugs, hey?
--PLH, Scientology: Clear of the planet by 2000...
jbwebb
May I add my personal favorite: The Thai House on Fondren at West
Park. My brother in law turned me onto this place. He ate there every
day for about 10 years and even went to Thailand with the owner, Tic!
May i suggest the glass noodles salad and Tic's special shrimp dish
(which is the best shrimp I've ever eaten).
Take care
joni
Patrick L. Humphrey
jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
Thai's not my thing...but at Fondren and _Westpark_? Not that I know
of...there are two gas stations on the northern corners of the intersection,
and Mike's Ice House on the southeast corner. (We only live about
three-quarters of a mile from that crossing.) Are you thinking of the block
down, across from Backyard BBQ? There's a Thai restaurant there, but that's
the intersection of Fondren and Glenmont. (I know -- picky, picky.)
Keep up the good work, though -- I wonder if we could get a clam or two to
blow, with all this talk of real food? ;-)
--PLH, just about everything beats RPF beans and rice
jbwebb
Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>
> Thai's not my thing...but at Fondren and _Westpark_? Not that I know
> of...there are two gas stations on the northern corners of the intersection,
true
> and Mike's Ice House on the southeast corner.
true
(We only live about
> three-quarters of a mile from that crossing.) Are you thinking of the block
> down, across from Backyard BBQ? There's a Thai restaurant there, but that's
> the intersection of Fondren and Glenmont. (I know -- picky, picky.)
Yes. The Thai House is on Fondren. About a block or 1/2 block south of
Westpark. God, you ARE picky. You and Dale go try the Garlic Shrimp
and Glass noodles. I PROMISE, the shrimp will NOT disappoint.
Take care
Joni
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <szk3edl...@dillinger.io.com>,
pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
> I think Steve's got an idea, there -- we might be better off concentrating
on
> the parents, since I've got a feeling the kids didn't choose the school for
> themselves. I still think we need to have a better idea of just how
extensive
> the Scientology infiltration into the school's curriculum is before we can
> start putting together a plan, though...
>
Why did you tell your parents which school you wanted to go to
when you were a child? Rod.
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>,
hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
<snip>
> I think it is worth trying. It seems likely to get the parents who are
> not scientologists (if any) into investigating what they are dealing
> with. Keith Henson
>
Why don't you do it yourself? Go ahead, come and let me see
how far your bigatory goes.
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <357307...@idt.net>,
jbw...@idt.net wrote:
<snip>
> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
> involving innocent children is necessary.
> Take care
> Joni
>
Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
accomplish his mission.
Steve A
> In <3574D6...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>, Steve Jebson
> <nais...@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I think picketing a school is a dreadful idea. It's rotten PR and
> >likely
> >to upset the kids and their families.
>
> The same could be said about picketing an org. It is also "upsetting",
> and "rotten PR" (from the scientology viewpoint), since it is a
> "church".
But the scope for rotten PR is so much bigger when you start involving
schools and kids, Tilman. See my previous post on this subject.
> What I find upsetting is that these scientology schools are
> legal, schools where children's mind are hurt with thought-stopping
> technique of word clearing.
Right! So you've solved your own problem: it is surely far more
productive to persuade the powers-that-be to take a closer look, and
if necessary force the school to come up to standard, or whatever
remedy is available locally, than to hope to persuade a handful of
kids that Scientology is a crock - a task that will be all the more
thankless since young kids won't stand a chance of being able to put
that new knowledge to good use.
And, apart from anything else, there's the stats question. Have you
any *idea* how much Prozac you get for closing down an entire
Scientology school, compared with the handful you'll get for talking
to some kid about Xenu? (BTW, :-), for the humour-impaired)
--
Practicing medicine without a licence? You decide:
"Step Four - Cures for Illness
You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses
of the body part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing
them off. "Cures for Illness" will then cease to read.
[NOTS 34, Fair Use excerpt]
Steve A, SP4, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12.
<SARCASM>I am a Scientologist</SARCASM>
Steve A
> In <357307...@idt.net>, jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> wrote:
>
> >I am not sure how I feel about picketing at schools. My first
> >inclination would be to say No. I'm not sure if the majority of
> >children there are COS even. It's a very small school. I think the
> >total enrollment is around 50 - all grades.
>
> They are *all* scientologists by attending this school. Sometimes
> without their knowledge. We don't picket to annoy the children - but to
> inform them. These schools are not schools at all, these are
> brainwashing factories for children, to take away their ability to think
> critically.
>
> >Also, the school is in a weird, off the beaten tract location. Their
> >would be NO advantage to picketing, except to scare little
> >kindergarteners out of their minds.
>
> We could hand out balloons!
That would be cruel. Can you imagine what all those kids, seeing
exciting Xenu balloons, and being told by their parents that they
can't have one, are going to feel like? Or, worse, the kids that get a
balloon and take it into school, only to have the principal burst it
with her lighted Kool?
And if you give them sweets, there's always the possibility that
someone will dip a kid's sweet in ratpoison, then blame the
Suppressives At The Gate.
Now, a Xenu comicbook leaflet...that's another thing altogether.
> >No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
> >involving innocent children is necessary.
Yeah, this bothers me a bit, too. Far better, perhaps, to picket the
School Board that approves/licenses the school, or perhaps find out
when PTA meetings or governors' meetings are being held and picket
*them*.
> Ask this the scientologists. They destroy these children's future.
I agree, and that's what causes the moral dilemma: do we picket
schools and hope that we can divert some kids away from Scn, and risk
the possible negative aspects of picketing such places. On balance, I
believe that the scope for Scientology to create negative PR regarding
picketing of schools outweighs the possibility of being able to
successfully persuade kids to leave Scientology. I can see in my mind
some sort of confusion between picketers-standing-outside-schools and
the stereotypical childmolesters/drugdealers-standing-outside-schools
being, er, "created" - the consequences might be very unpleasant.
> >Plus - Tilman, do you have ANY idea of how fucking hot it is in Houston
> >right now? Are you nuts?
>
> Not on 8am, when the parents bring their kids to school. Maybe on 4pm,
> but we'll just picket naked:-)
Uh, see my previous remarks...this might cause more than a few
problems :-)
Steve A
On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 02:30:45 GMT, rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> In article <35965434...@news.snafu.de>,
> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
> >
> > While reading "Rod Fletcher"s posts I had an idea - why not picket
> > scientology schools. I suggest to start in Houston, where people have
> > complained of not being able to picket:
> >
> > http://tanglewoodacademy.org/
> > 5714 Dolores Street
> >
> > The advantage of picketing a scientology school is that you just need to
> > picket one 30min window (morning) and one 15min window (afternoon). Some
> > intelligence gathering needs to be done, to get the correct times. But
> > in a successful picket you would get more "audience" per minute than in
> > any other place.
>
> You really are desperate, Tilman, to come up with such propaganda. Do
> you know the result of this campaign? You will be ridiculed because
> of the millions of adults and children who have been helped. Rod.
I might not agree with the idea of picketing outside a school, Rod,
but if Tilman were to be ridiculed for doing so, it certainly would
_not_ be because of "the millions of adults and children who have been
helped" [presumably by Scientology education?].
All we have to do is to get people to ask Scientology for the
non-existent proof of its claims - we only have to get it right once,
while Scientology has to constantly shore up and build the walls in
their minds against the truth.
john smith
In article <szk3edk...@dillinger.io.com>, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
>jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
>
>>Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>
>>Park. My brother in law turned me onto this place. He ate there every
>>day for about 10 years and even went to Thailand with the owner, Tic!
>>May i suggest the glass noodles salad and Tic's special shrimp dish
>>(which is the best shrimp I've ever eaten).
>
>of...there are two gas stations on the northern corners of the intersection,
>three-quarters of a mile from that crossing.) Are you thinking of the block
>down, across from Backyard BBQ? There's a Thai restaurant there, but that's
>the intersection of Fondren and Glenmont. (I know -- picky, picky.)
>blow, with all this talk of real food? ;-)
>
>--PLH, just about everything beats RPF beans and rice
>
Maybe he's thinking of the Thai Cafe at Westheimer and Wilcrest :)
Tilman Hausherr
>Yes. The Thai House is on Fondren. About a block or 1/2 block south of
>Westpark. God, you ARE picky. You and Dale go try the Garlic Shrimp
>and Glass noodles. I PROMISE, the shrimp will NOT disappoint.
I think I don't like Thai food - peanuts and sugar don't belong into
food, IMO.
Tilman Hausherr
>> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>> involving innocent children is necessary.
> Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
> orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
> accomplish his mission.
I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
scientology org is a church: not at all.
I am saddened by the lack of support for my idea. The only I got is from
Keith Henson, but he suggested a few weeks ago to use PGale's name on
pickets, which I think is not a good idea, so I am not sure if his
judgement is good.
I believe that a school picket might be even more successful than an org
picket, because most parents are only partial scientologists. When
presented with the information, they would probably take their children
off within a few days.
Warrior
In article <6l8e3o$7ob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com says...
>
> Why don't you do it yourself? Go ahead, come and let me see
> how far your bigatory goes.
Oh look! "Rod" suddenly became illiterate. "bigatory" -- LOL!!!
Is there any doubt that "Rod" is more than one person?
What's the matter, Scientology? Having trouble finding quality help
these days? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Warrior
See http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/
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Fredric Rice
>> I won't picket a school either, although I do find them upsetting.
> What - you can't deal with this?
Unlike Scientologists, most people understand the difference between
right and wrong. In this particular case, picketing a putitive school of
which children are present is wrong.
Keith Henson
Tilman Hausherr (til...@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: >> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
: >> involving innocent children is necessary.
: > Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
: > orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
: > accomplish his mission.
: I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
: orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
: room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
: The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
: scientology org is a church: not at all.
: I am saddened by the lack of support for my idea. The only I got is from
: Keith Henson, but he suggested a few weeks ago to use PGale's name on
: pickets, which I think is not a good idea, so I am not sure if his
: judgement is good.
I got wide support for handing out copies of the Boston Harold article
on Philip Gale, and have done so.
: I believe that a school picket might be even more successful than an org
: picket, because most parents are only partial scientologists. When
: presented with the information, they would probably take their children
: off within a few days.
The only way we will resolve this is to try and see what happens.
Keith Henson
ErinAn...@rocketmail.com
In article <35a02162...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
>
>In <6l8hvh$cpt$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>>> involving innocent children is necessary.
>
>> Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
>> orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
>> accomplish his mission.
>
>I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
>orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
>room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
>
>The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
>scientology org is a church: not at all.
>
>I am saddened by the lack of support for my idea. The only I got is from
>Keith Henson, but he suggested a few weeks ago to use PGale's name on
>pickets, which I think is not a good idea, so I am not sure if his
>judgement is good.
>
>picket, because most parents are only partial scientologists. When
>presented with the information, they would probably take their children
>off within a few days.
>
Tilman. You do show your true colors, here.
I'm sure you don't consider it a Church or
a school. In Germany the Scientologists'
kids are kicked out of the schools. Now
you are advocating the U.S. pick up the bad
habits and harass the kids on their own
ground. Leave the kids alone, Tilman,
or have and harass your own. (poor kids)
Erin
Patrick L. Humphrey
jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
>Patrick L. Humphrey wrote:
>> Thai's not my thing...but at Fondren and _Westpark_? Not that I know
>> of...there are two gas stations on the northern corners of the intersection,
>true
>> and Mike's Ice House on the southeast corner.
>true
>> (We only live about three-quarters of a mile from that crossing.) Are you
>> thinking of the block down, across from Backyard BBQ? There's a Thai
>> restaurant there, but that's the intersection of Fondren and Glenmont. (I
>> know -- picky, picky.)
>Yes. The Thai House is on Fondren. About a block or 1/2 block south of
>Westpark. God, you ARE picky. You and Dale go try the Garlic Shrimp
>and Glass noodles. I PROMISE, the shrimp will NOT disappoint.
So I'm picky -- hey, I grew up out in that end of town, and accuracy counts
sometimes. :-) Garlic shrimp is one thing, but glass noodles? We might have
to check that out by itself. (Do you think the RPF folks get anywhere near
glass noodles? :-)
--PLH, it'll have to wait until we get back from Kentucky with a sack of White
Castles, though...
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <35a02162...@news.snafu.de>, Tilman Hausherr
<til...@berlin.snafu.de> writes
>In <6l8hvh$cpt$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
>>> involving innocent children is necessary.
>
>> Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
>> orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
>> accomplish his mission.
>
>I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
>orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
>room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
>The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
>scientology org is a church: not at all.
I thought it WAS a school: i.e, a place where children are taught.
OTOH a "church" of $cientology is a fake: most dicitionaries
would define a church as "a place where people assemble for
(christian) prayer and worship." $cientology is not any form of
christianity, does not pray, and does not worship anything
other than the almighty dollar.
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Archangel
Tilman Hausherr wrote:
>
> In <6l8hvh$cpt$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> No, I don't think this is a good idea at all. I don't feel that
> >> involving innocent children is necessary.
>
> > Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
> > orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
> > accomplish his mission.
>
> I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
> orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
> room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
>
> The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
> scientology org is a church: not at all.
>
> Keith Henson, but he suggested a few weeks ago to use PGale's name on
> pickets, which I think is not a good idea, so I am not sure if his
> judgement is good.
>
> I believe that a school picket might be even more successful than an org
> picket, because most parents are only partial scientologists. When
> presented with the information, they would probably take their children
> off within a few days.
Tilman, I don't think you've quite grasped the cultural differences at
work here (Pastrami omlette? Where did you get that idea?) Picketting a
school is a BAD idea in Texas. Pickets are by their nature threatening
acts. A school is obviously designed for children (unlike orgs) and in
the southern part of the US, any action remotely threatening children
will immediately fire up everyone's protective instincts. Passersby
will make it their business to protect the children from harassment.
Archangel
(Who lives in a part of Texas apparently untouched by the CoS)
DeadElRon
In article <6libl2$3ug$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
> I'd love to see the
net site http://www.xenu.net
> <snip> Rod.
>
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DeadElRon
In article <6licc1$54o$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, rod_fl...@hotmail.com says...
>
>In article <6la928$d...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> ErinAn...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
>What is xenu?
>
>> Erin
>
>
> Erin <snip>
My name is really Ron Chester. I used to be the
TNX I/C. But there was so much entheta I got
assigned to handle ars. I am a good friend of
other OSA associates.
> Rod.
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rod_fl...@hotmail.com
> The only way we will resolve this is to try and see what happens.
>
> Keith Henson
I'd love to see the results of this picket. Are you going to
show up or are you too afraid to be there? Rod.
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
>
> Tilman. You do show your true colors, here.
> I'm sure you don't consider it a Church or
> a school. In Germany the Scientologists'
> kids are kicked out of the schools. Now
> you are advocating the U.S. pick up the bad
> habits and harass the kids on their own
> ground. Leave the kids alone, Tilman,
> or have and harass your own. (poor kids)
>
> Erin
No Erin you are dreaming. A nazi like Tilman is after the kids - he
wants to destroy children. Don't even bother to ask him. Rod.
> >
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Fredric Rice
> > Why don't you do it yourself? Go ahead, come and let me see
> > how far your bigatory goes.
> Oh look! "Rod" suddenly became illiterate. "bigatory" -- LOL!!!
> Is there any doubt that "Rod" is more than one person?
> What's the matter, Scientology? Having trouble finding quality help
> these days? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!
It _is_ agreeably amusing. It looks like the crime syndicate instructs
some of their victims to post here on a.r.s. Perhaps they believe that
by ordering the most insane and willfully ignorant of their followers to
post here, they avoid having their better educated followers twigg to
the truth about the crime syndicate that's exposed here.
It's no wonder a.r.s gets the phenomenally undignified Scientologists.
Fredric Rice
> > Tilman does not care about this point. He is just following
> > orders to do so.Why should he care? He would do anything to
> > accomplish his mission.
> I suggest that in the future we do also no longer picket scientology
> orgs, since some of them have children. And since an org has a "course
> room", it is a "school" too. And in the US, it is a "church".
What matters is one's focus upon one's target. Children being abused by
the crime syndicate have no say-so in the matter. They're being indoctrinated
into the crime syndicate against their informed consent. Picketing orgs,
however, covers people who have made a choice -- however misguided.
Fredric Rice
> >I believe that a school picket might be even more successful than an org
> >picket, because most parents are only partial scientologists. When
> >presented with the information, they would probably take their children
> >off within a few days.
> >
> Tilman. You do show your true colors, here.
> I'm sure you don't consider it a Church or
> a school. In Germany the Scientologists'
> kids are kicked out of the schools.
Trying to equate picketing a cult with persecuting a cult is pretty
silly, don't you think?
While I agree that picking children who simply don't know they're
being abused is a mistake, trying to pretend that doing so some how
equates to "religious" persecution is something I would expect from
the crime syndicate's PR teams.
Fredric Rice
> >The truth is that a scientology school is as much a school as a
> >scientology org is a church: not at all.
> I thought it WAS a school: i.e, a place where children are taught.
I can point toward "colleges" and "institutes" which seek to be
considered schools but which are really religious cults. The Institute
for Creation Research is a prime example.
What is being taught at the "school" will determine whether it is
in fact a school or whether it is simply a place for cult indoctrination.
> OTOH a "church" of $cientology is a fake: most dicitionaries
> would define a church as "a place where people assemble for
> (christian) prayer and worship." $cientology is not any form of
> christianity, does not pray, and does not worship anything
> other than the almighty dollar.
It's a crime syndicate. If the IRS wasn't staffed with corrupt and greedy
bastards, the crime syndicate would have no ambiguous pretentions
toward being a church.
Steve Zadarnowski
gunbu...@yahoo.com (Keith) wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:35:13 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
>wrote:
>
>>Some intelligence gathering needs to be done,
>
>Who do you work for and how much do they pay you, Tilman?
Standard Scn-Tech invoked question... Scientology is convinced
critics cannot think for themselves, so they must be paid by
someone to fight against it.
Got news for you, Keith. Ain't no-one pays us to have a good
time kicking your dull-ass cult about. Scientology has asked
me who is paying my bills. No-one, Keith, no-one.
S
rod_fl...@hotmail.com
In article <357BE153...@aol.com>,
Archangel <de1...@aol.com> wrote:
> Tilman, I don't think you've quite grasped the cultural differences at
> work here (Pastrami omlette? Where did you get that idea?) Picketting a
> school is a BAD idea in Texas. Pickets are by their nature threatening
> acts. A school is obviously designed for children (unlike orgs) and in
> the southern part of the US, any action remotely threatening children
> will immediately fire up everyone's protective instincts. Passersby
> will make it their business to protect the children from harassment.
>
> Archangel
>
> (Who lives in a part of Texas apparently untouched by the CoS)
>
A nazi like Tilman does not care. What does it matter
to him - he is in Germany. Rod.