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Ok Everyone, It's Time to Write the Navy

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jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:34:02 PM9/15/06
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This is on the navy's website..........

>Narconon is a rehabilitation program, assisting individuals to overcome their drug dependencies. Their Purification Rundown procedure involves exercise, sauna, vitamins and drills. Narcanon has 37 locations in Canada, United States and other countries. Independent studies have showed that about 75% of Narconon graduates have remained off drugs when they were checked two years after completing the program. This is a success rate that is considerably higher than most programs.


What independent studies????????? Sound like a member of scientology
wrote this and it needs to be corrected. I have already writen, your
turn.

http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

jerald

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Zinj

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:49:29 PM9/15/06
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In article <1158353153.745625.167700
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, LtcRobe...@aol.com says...
> Now this is something I can make some sort of impact with..... my Dad's
> on it.
>
> Becky

I'm not sure how much the Navy will do about it, since it's a
listing under the 'Chaplains' site, but, what the hell, it can't
hurt to complain.

Give your dad this url too, while you're at it :)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/warhero/

Zinj
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jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:53:56 PM9/15/06
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Very cool Becky, I hope he can help get it changed. I'm not sure it
will do any good Zinj, but it never hurts to try.:)

jerald

FreeThinker

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:55:15 PM9/15/06
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> jerald wrote:
> > This is on the navy's website..........

INTERESTING: When I back up to
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/index.htm, I cannot even find one link
to: http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

How did you happen to find it jerald?

Freethinker

jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:59:27 PM9/15/06
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Hi Thinker,

I found it here while looking around. It's number 2. on the list.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the%20danger%20of%20scientology%20vitamins&ei=UTF-8&fr=ush1-mail&x=wrt&fr2=tab-news

jerald

Beckyboo

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:13:35 PM9/15/06
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He did write anyway.....but you might want to check this:

http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/index.htm

It's under About Various Faiths....and there is a disclaimer.


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Becky

jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:16:20 PM9/15/06
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I saw it Becky, I still hope they correct the 75 % stuff. Most people
will see it and belive it simply because its on a Navy website.
Thanks for the help. And for the help on AS. :)

jerald

Beckyboo

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:20:54 PM9/15/06
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jerald wrote:
> I saw it Becky, I still hope they correct the 75 % stuff. Most people
> will see it and belive it simply because its on a Navy website.
> Thanks for the help. And for the help on AS. :)
>
> jerald
>

Pleasure's all mine, believe me......

I am so surprised they haven't deleted me on there yet....what's up
with that?

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Becky

jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:25:34 PM9/15/06
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They tend to play nice in hopes of you "seeing the light" It seems
James and Greg have been pulled for not getting the job done. Greg
called Tigger and I SP's in a post then changed the wording. Trouble
for Greg maybe?

Keep up the great work!!

jerald

Hartley Patterson

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:34:02 PM9/15/06
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jerald jerald...@hotmail.com:

> This is on the navy's website..........
>
> >Narconon is a rehabilitation program, assisting individuals to overcome their drug dependencies. Their Purification Rundown procedure involves exercise, sauna, vitamins and drills. Narcanon has 37 locations in Canada, United States and other countries. Independent studies have showed that about 75% of Narconon graduates have remained off drugs when they were checked two years after completing the program. This is a success rate that is considerably higher than most
programs.

> http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

Oh that. Check the credit at the bottom of the page. It's taken from the
religioustolerance.org pages about Scientology IIRC, as they used to be.
That website used to claim to be 'balanced'.

The scientology pages have now been rewritten as cult propaganda
webpages in collaboration with Al Buttnor, whom ARS regulars will know
well.

You might like to tell that to the Navy.

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Beckyboo

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:40:55 PM9/15/06
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They have already written back, have you heard from them Jerald?

They provided phone numbers but as you know I can't call....my Dad
can't until later.... he's in a meeting.

But I'll make sure to pass this along.... seems to be a good thing for
everyone to write...why not?

Even though there is disclaimer, they wouldn't want cult propaganda
attached to a military page.

:-)

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Becky

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Sep 15, 2006, 5:44:32 PM9/15/06
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FOIA REQUEST FORM
NOTE: Required responses are in red. boldface. and italics.
Requests for personal information require a signature and can not be
processed through this online form. Instead, please follow the Privacy
Act request instructions. (Personal information includes, but is not
limited to, information about current or former service members and
employees of the Department of the Navy.)

Dear FOIA Officer:

This is a request filed under the Freedom of Information Act. I
request:

Tell what kind of record(s) you are requesting. Select one of these.
(Required)
a copy of the following documents be provided to me:
documents containing the following information be provided to me:
all documents containing information regarding the following topic be
provided to me:

http://foia.navy.mil/OnlineFoiaRequestForm.asp
I would like to have all electronic and writtten correspondence and
documentation related to the acceptance of the information and sources
of information used in the the creation and the maintenance of the
website information of this page:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

I would like all informational documents related to supervisory
approval for this to be on the internet.
I was alerted to it by a newsgroup post and I am very concerned about
the biased information you have on that web page. Before I can address
the=is with the person in control, I would like all infomation and
documents related to how it came to be alowed, created and
dissemminated to navy personnel.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a4381296ee078?hl=en&

Thank you

jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 6:02:46 PM9/15/06
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No reply for me yet Becky. Still waiting here.

Cool Dark, going to fill mine out now.

jerald

Beckyboo

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Sep 15, 2006, 6:05:56 PM9/15/06
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jerald wrote:
> No reply for me yet Becky. Still waiting here.
>
> Cool Dark, going to fill mine out now.
>
> jerald
>


Lt. Colonel Hill,

The Global Distance Support Center (GDSC) has received your Chaplain
Care Question or Request and email request regarding Website Links and
has forwarded your request to Chaplain Care. You should be hearing
from them in the near future.

For further question/s, you can contact the GDSC at 1-877-418-6824
option 2, DSN 510-428-6824 option 2 or email
mailto:Ancho...@navy.mil, please refer to Case 54140.

We thank you for utilizing the Global Distance Support Center (GDSC).

Respectfully,

Sue Gonzalez
Certified Call Center Professional
Global Distance Support Center (GDSC)

jerald

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Sep 15, 2006, 6:29:57 PM9/15/06
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It took them awhile but I have mine done now becky. I also wrote my
senator and the head of the Committee Of the Armed Services.
I told the the info could led a vet to spend his savings when there is
no proof this works.

jerald

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Sep 15, 2006, 7:00:14 PM9/15/06
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Website: http://foia.navy.mil Date: 9/15/2006 Time: 6:46:30 PM
CONFIRMATION NOTICE

Your form has been successfully submitted to the server. If you
included your e-mail address or a mailing address you will receive a
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For your convenience a copy of the message that you sent appears below.
You may save this page or print it for your records.

From: xxxxxxxxxx
Email: xxxxxxxxxxx

Request Type:
Records Requested: I was alerted by a newsgroup post that you have
misinformation on your web site.
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm I saw many
inaccuracies. I was a member for 18 yrs, and I am not biased. I am very
concerned. A balanced view can be seen from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology I would like to have all
electronic and written correspondence and documentation related to the
acceptance of the information and sources of information, supervisory
approval for data used in the the creation and the maintenance of the
scientology programs section of this page and if there was any monetary
exchange given: http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm The
newsgroup post:Ok Everyone, It"s Time to Write the Navy This is on the
navy"s website..........
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a4381296ee078?hl=en&
Thank you.

Requestor Status: Individual

News Media:

I request a waiver of all fees for this request. Disclosure of the
requested information to me is in the public interest because it is
likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the
operations or activities of the government and is not primarily in my
commercial interest.
Fee or Waiver: waiverrequested

> I told the the info could led a vet to spend his savings when there is
> no proof this works.
>
> jerald
>
>
> Beckyboo wrote:
> > jerald wrote:
> > > No reply for me yet Becky. Still waiting here.
> > >
> > > Cool Dark, going to fill mine out now.
> > >
> > > jerald
> > >
> >
> >
> > Lt. Colonel Hill,
> >
> > The Global Distance Support Center (GDSC) has received your Chaplain
> > Care Question or Request and email request regarding Website Links and
> > has forwarded your request to Chaplain Care. You should be hearing
> > from them in the near future.
> >
> > For further question/s, you can contact the GDSC at 1-877-418-6824
> > option 2, DSN 510-428-6824 option 2 or email
> > mailto:Ancho...@navy.mil, please refer to Case 54140.
> >
> > We thank you for utilizing the Global Distance Support Center (GDSC).
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Sue Gonzalez
> > Certified Call Center Professional
> > Global Distance Support Center (GDSC) < < <

ok, I edited it and submitteded it. here is the confirmation of my
request


Website: http://foia.navy.mil Date: 9/15/2006 Time: 6:46:30 PM
CONFIRMATION NOTICE

Your form has been successfully submitted to the server. If you
included your e-mail address or a mailing address you will receive a
response to your comments within twenty working days. (''Working days''
do not include Saturdays, Sundays, or legal holidays).

If you wish to receive a response and forgot to include contact
information, please use your browser's back button, make changes, and
resubmit.

For your convenience a copy of the message that you sent appears below.
You may save this page or print it for your records.

From: xxxxxxxxxx
Email: xxxxxxxxxxx

Request Type:
Records Requested: I was alerted by a newsgroup post that you have
misinformation on your web site.
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm. I saw many
inaccuracies. I was a member for 18 yrs, and I am not biased. I am very
concerned. A balanced view can be seen from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology.

I would like to have all electronic and written correspondence and


documentation related to the acceptance of the information and sources

of information, supervisory approval for data used in the the creation
and the maintenance of the scientology programs section of this page
and if there was any monetary exchange given:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

The newsgroup post:Ok Everyone, It"s Time to Write the Navy This is on
the navy"s website..........
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a4381296ee078?hl=en&
Thank you.

Requestor Status: Individual

News Media:

Note: this is what I cheked off: I request a waiver of all fees for
this request. Disclosure of the requested information to me is in the
public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to
public understanding of the operations or activities of the government
and is not primarily in my commercial interest.

Waiver Explanation: I am dismayed that the website contains false and
misleading information contributed by Church Of Scientology & it"s
affiliate organizations and members which have not met scientific
standards and government credibility procedures required to ensure
accuracy, which may cause Navy personnel, their families and internet
public to be seriously misled. I believe public need to know how
resources and references and facts are obtained for placement on
government web sites, particularly those which provide information for
personnel and public. I will ensure the documents received are
provided to the webmaster of the webpage first, so that the page can be
reviewed and corrected.


Address: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Address:

City: xxxxxxxxxxx

State or Country: xxxxxxxxx

Zip Code: xxxxxxxxx
Telephone: xxxxxxxxxx

Lermanet.com

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Sep 15, 2006, 7:03:12 PM9/15/06
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On 15 Sep 2006 13:34:02 -0700, "jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Snail Mailing address

Chief of Chaplains Office (NO97),
Office of the Chief of Naval Operations,
Washington DC 20350-2000

>jerald

Arnaldo Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
WE COME BACK FOR OUR FRIENDS and FAMILY
to get them out alive!

I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake

If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!

29 November 1995 - Memorandum Opinion Judge Leonie Brinkema
"the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation of RTC in suing Lerma, DGS and The Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology in general and to harass its critics. "

The internet is the Liberty Tree

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com
http://www.lermanet.com/scientific.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/past-life-nazis.htm

"Scientologists believe that most human problems
can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial
people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters"
to individuals in the contemporary world, causing
spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives
of their hosts"
[Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]

What do we get from getting people out of scientology?
We create an individual who has become a Houdini of
all mind traps.. folks who won't be fooled again.
People who can DE-program, People who can spring mental
traps..

We create, by freeing someone of scientology, a being
who has the ability to break the strongest slave chains
of all.

Those forged of lies. (c) Arnaldo Lerma

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

jerald

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Sep 21, 2006, 5:48:32 PM9/21/06
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I just rechecked the web site and all the stuff about Narconon seems to
have been removed. Way to go U.S. Navy!!!

jerald

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FreeThinker

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Sep 21, 2006, 6:10:37 PM9/21/06
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jerald wrote:
> I just rechecked the web site and all the stuff about Narconon seems to
> have been removed. Way to go U.S. Navy!!!


Way to go BeckBoo and all of the other ARSers who wrote!!!!!

THANK YOU!!!!

FreeThinker

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Sep 21, 2006, 6:19:18 PM9/21/06
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IT still says:

Current status:
There are now 4,200 Scientology groups, missions and churches in 156
countries around the world servicing some 10 million individuals. There
are also over 1,000 social betterment groups that the Church supports,
which utilize their founder L. Ron Hubbard's technologies in the fields
of education, moral rejuvenation, drug and criminal rehabilitation.

The Church has expanded more in the last five years than in the
preceding fifty. During 2005, new Scientology groups, missions and
churches have opened at the rate of three per day. Scientology is the
fastest growing religion in the world.

We KNOW that THIS is also a LIE!!!

Freethinker

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Sep 24, 2006, 1:26:22 AM9/24/06
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jerald wrote:
> I just rechecked the web site and all the stuff about Narconon seems to
> have been removed. Way to go U.S. Navy!!!
> jerald <

Jerald, we have a problem. The navy removed ALL OF THE CRITICAL INFO &
LINKS!!!!

Here is the current page:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

Here is above page cached by google as of Sept 17th, before the change
- Google link shortened:
http://tinyurl.com/o4epk

Original google cache link:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Xvamf6LyUAwJ:www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm+http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


Remember my post about the FOIA Freedom of Information Act request I
filed for the related documents to how all information got on the web
page? Well they changed everything after that, too. This is not what we
want.

So far I only received an email acknowledgement of my request but no
follow up ;That is unless this bigwig who called and left a telephone
message to call him back is related. We're playing phone tag at this
point but the call concerns me. Now seeing the changes, I am not sure
if is related to this or 2 other posts I made: One about Ronnie
Miscavige, his business in VA and the Bridge Movie, the other about The
CIA covert ops sources list listing DM & Heber J. I will post a
separate thread, as I want to find out if anyone knows this man. This
Navy project is strange and the criticle info should not have been
removed. Retaliation for us all making a stink about it?? ummm. Your
thoughts, please.

I will call the number from the email & post a followup monday.
JustCallMeMary

I

jerald

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Sep 24, 2006, 1:29:03 AM9/24/06
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jerald

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Sep 24, 2006, 1:33:14 AM9/24/06
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I don't know what happend. Writing them now. They took a lot of stuff
out.


jerald

runningwild

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Sep 24, 2006, 3:45:54 AM9/24/06
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Out_Of_The_Dark wrote:
> jerald wrote:
> > I just rechecked the web site and all the stuff about Narconon seems to
> > have been removed. Way to go U.S. Navy!!!
> > jerald <
>

I can do a little more than write the Navy. How can I help?

runningwild

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Sep 24, 2006, 3:47:54 AM9/24/06
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<snip>

Sorry I hit post too soon. Do we want an article about this?

Out_Of_The_Dark

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runningwild wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Sorry I hit post too soon. Do we want an article about this? <
Thanks! Let's wait until Monday, after I call and find out what is
going on with my FOIA request.I also want to see if that telephone
message I received was related to this. I am waiting to hear back on
that, too. Here is the reply I received from the Dept of Navy - DON,
with copy of the final request I sent in, after editing it.
-JustCallMeMary
_______________________________________________________
Subject: DON CASE FILE NO. XXXXXXXXX; Acknowledgement Letter
Date: 9/21/2006 4:00:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: sarah....@navy.mil

Dear xxxxxxxxxxx
Your Freedom of Information Act request of September 15, 2006, in which
you seek information about the Navy Chaplain website, was received by
this office on September 18, 2006, and assigned DON Case File No.
xxxxxxxxx.

If you have any questions regarding your request, please contact
Phyllis
Shaw at (202) 685-6530 between the hours of 0600-1500, or email your
inquiry to mary....@navy.mil.

Sincerely,

Sarah English
Head, CNO/SECNAV FOIA Requester Service Center
(202) 685-6546

Original Message-----
From: FOIA Website [mailto:ogcsy...@ogc.law.navy.mil]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 18:47
To: Lama, Doris OPNAV
Cc: English, Sarah CNO
Subject: Online FOIA Request

Name:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
E-mail:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Request type: topic

Records Requested: I was alerted by a newsgroup post that you have
misinformation on your web site.
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
I saw many inaccuracies. I was a member for 18 yrs, and I am not
biased.
I am very concerned. A balanced view can be seen from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
I would like to have all electronic and written correspondence and
documentation related to the acceptance of the information and sources
of information, supervisory approval for data used in the the creation
and the maintenance of the scientology programs section of this page
and
if there was any monetary exchange given:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

The newsgroup post:Ok Everyone, It's Time to Write the Navy This is on
the navy's website..........
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a4381296e
e078?hl=en&
Thank you.


Requestor Status: Individual

News Media:

Fee or Waiver: waiverrequested

Amount of Fee

Waiver Explanation: I am dismayed that the website contains false and
misleading information contributed by Church Of Scientology & it's
affiliate organizations and members which have not met scientific
standards and government credibility procedures required to ensure
accuracy, which may cause Navy personnel, their families and internet
public to be seriously misled.
I believe public need to know how resources and references and facts
are
obtained for placement on government web sites, particularly those

which provide information for personnel and public.It would be a
financial burden for me to personally pay the fees. I will ensure the


documents received are provided to the webmaster of the webpage first,
so that the page can be reviewed and corrected.

Address: xxxxxxxxxx

Address:

City: xxxxxxxxxxxx

State: xx

Zip Code: xxxxx

Telephone:xxxxxxxxxx
IP Address: xxxxxxxx

Out_Of_The_Dark

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runningwild wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Sorry I hit post too soon. Do we want an article about this? <

Hi runningwild and jerald. I spoke and emailed the information and
told the Navy FOIA contact that the request must consider the page as
it was at the time I filed the request and how it's been changed over
the years. NOT as it is now, since it's been changed. Lets give it a
day for a reply. Meantime, here is a copy of my email. I will post the
9/17/06 google cache of the we page separately. - JustCallMeMary

DON CASE FILE NO. xxxxxxxxx My 9/15/06 request ( rec'd by your office
9/18/06)

Google cache link of original page. Internet Archives cache for:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

Dear Ms Shaw,

Per our conversation, the original page I requested documentation on
was changed after 9/17/06. Google took a cache of it on 9/17/06 before
it was changed. It is this page that my request began with and I want
to ensure that you have all the information related to the purpose and
need of that request.

As of today, google shows a cache update of the page dated 9/23, which
is consistent with the current page that omits what I wrote
about.Fortunately, I downloaded the 9/17 cache as a safemeasure.

Additional documentation: Internet Archive
The web page listing Scientology programs Narconon and Purification, as
seen on the 9/17/06 cache attached can also be seen at the via the
Internet Archive via Wayback Machine. This page was archived 93
timesover at the Internet Archive from Sept 19, 2001- Mar 7, 2005 (- *
denotes when site was updated. )

Since this web site stopped participating in the archiving of this
page, you can use the information on the found archived pages as a
foundation for my request but the 9/15/06 thru 9/17/06 page should be
completely compared to current and previous pages in the event changes
occurred in the interim.
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

My request concerns primarily the content requiring verificationof
statements claimed as fact: ie Scientology Programs Narconon &
Purification programs, mentioned as I saw it on 9/17/06 ,which you can
see in the attached download copy of the cached page.

Sadly, the current page is now more biased than when I made the
complaint! Numerous important statements and links that added some
balance to the information scientology provides is now gone. As I
requested, I want to know who is making the decisions for this page.
Additionally, why the critical information is no longer up there. I
think I am entitled to this since the page was changed before the
online request from their web page reached your office on 9/18/06

Thank you for your assistance;
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Attached: my file copy 9/17/06 google cache htm
( link below takes you to updated 9/23/06 cache)


Copy of the dated pages available in the Internet Archive as of today:

Searched for http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
93 Results
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Search Results for Jan 01, 1996 - Sep 25, 2006
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Scientology
Symbol
The main symbol of Scientology is composed of:


The letter "S" which represents Scientology


An upper triangle whose sides represent three closely interrelated
factors: knowledge, responsibility and control


A lower triangle which represents affinity, reality and communication.

History
The Founder of the Church of Scientology is Lafayette Ronald Hubbard
(1911-1986), born in Tilden, Nebraska on 1911-MAR-13. Hubbard traveled
extensively during his youth, covering some quarter of a million miles
by the time he was twenty years of age, including directing two
expeditions to the Caribbean. On one expedition, he made the first
mineralogical survey of Puerto Rico.

During the 1930's, he became a famous author. Although he was known
mostly for his science fiction, he also worked in other genres
including mystery, western and adventure. He was also successful as a
screen writer. His lifetime output of published fiction was over 200
novels, novelettes and short stories.

In 1938, in an unpublished manuscript Excalibur, he delineated the
common denominator of existence as "survive" and outlined the theory
that "life is composed of two things: the material universe and an
X-factor...that can evidently organize and mobilize the material
universe." This fundamental concept was to be the basis of his
researches for both Dianetics and Scientology.

The Second World War intervened and his first published work on
Dianetics appeared in the Winter/Spring 1949-1950 issue of the
Explorers Club Journal entitled "Terra Incognita: The Mind". At this
time he offered his findings on the mind to both the American Medical
Association and the American Psychiatric Association. Both
organizations rejected them and later attempted to discredit his work
and reputation. In 1950-MAY, "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental
Health" was published; it has since sold over 17 million copies
worldwide. In the fall of 1951, Hubbard formed the religious philosophy
of Scientology, which is based on his discovery that man is most
fundamentally a spiritual being -- the X-factor. The first Church of
Scientology was formed in Los Angeles on 1954-FEB-18 by persons other
than Hubbard. The Founding Church of Scientology was founded in
Washington, DC in 1955-JUL.

The US Food and Drug Administration raided Scientology offices on
1963-JAN-4 and seized hundreds of the Church's E-meters as illegal
medical devices. The devices are now required to carry a disclaimer
saying that they are a purely religious artifact. They are used in a
Scientology counseling technique known as "auditing". During the 1970s,
the Church and many other emerging religions came under increasing
attack from the anti-cult movement. In 1977, as a result of an FBI
raid, some senior people in the movement's Guardian's Office were
convicted of stealing government documents. In 1965, the Australian
government had banned Scientology, however in 1983, the High Court of
Australia overturned the decision, contributing greatly to the scope of
religious freedom in that country. From 1968 to 1980, the British
government restricted people who wished to enter the country to pursue
a Scientology course.

In 1993-OCT, the Internal Revenue Service of the United States granted
full religious recognition and tax exemption to all Scientology
Churches, missions and social betterment groups in that country. The
Church is also officially recognized in every province in Canada where
it has an organization.

L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986. Unlike many emerging religions, the
movement survived the transition to new leadership. Mr. David
Miscavige, Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Center, is
now the head. The St. Petersburg Times published an extensive interview
of Mr. Miscavige in 1998-OCT-25

Scientology is an applied religious philosophy that contains
methodologies intended to improve life and achieve spiritual freedom
for oneself and society. The Church states that its membership is 8
million. It currently has more than 3,000 churches, missions and groups
in over 120 countries. Scientology continues its rapid growth
worldwide.


Beliefs:

Scientologists follow Mr. Hubbard's belief that a person is neither
mind nor body, but a spiritual being - a soul. However, the word "soul"
is an ambiguous term, which had been given many meanings by many
religions. In order to avoid confusion, Mr. Hubbard selected the word
thetan from the Greek letter "theta" which has traditionally meant
"thought" or "life". A Thetan is the essence of a person, One does not
have a Thetan, one is a Thetan. The brain, and the rest of the body, is
looked upon as a mechanism, a communication center for the Thetan. The
mind is perceived as a collection of pictures.


Scientology recognizes Eight Dynamics. A "dynamic" is an urge, drive
or impulse. Understanding these dynamics help a person gain insight and
harmonize all their life activities. The first four dynamics were
initially described by Mr. Hubbard in Dianetics; the remaining four
were added with the creation of Scientology:

The First Dynamic is the urge to survive as oneself.

The second the urge to survive through family and sex.

The third is to survive in various groups such as a company or with a
group of friends.

The fourth is to survive as mankind.

The fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth are the urge to survive through
other life forms such as animals, the physical universe, the spiritual
universe and Infinity or God respectively.

The human mind is divided into two components: the analytical mind and
the reactive mind. The former resembles Freud's concept of the
conscious mind; it senses, remembers, reasons and recalls. The reactive
mind is somewhat similar to Freud's unconscious. It records physically
and psychologically disturbing events in this life and prior lives.
These include perceived assaults in the womb, the birth process,
assaults, injuries etc. They are recorded as engrams which are a form
of psychic scar. These engrams are considered "the single source of all
man's insanities, psychosomatic illnesses and neuroses.". They are not
sensed by the analytical mind directly. However, they will degrade a
person's life and keep an individual from reaching their full
potential. By removing the engrams, one can progress from being
preclear (PC) to clear; i.e. totally free of engrams.

A person can progress beyond "clear" to becoming a OT or Operating
Thetan. An OT is able to leave their body and mind. They can see, hear
and feel without access to their normal senses.

Great religious leaders like Buddha and Jesus Christ are regarded as
being slightly above "clear".

Scientologists reject the concept of eternal life in hell and heaven.
They believe in reincarnation in which a person passes through a number
of lifetimes. "....personal salvation in one lifetime [is] freedom from
the cycle of birth and death".

They believe that God exists, but do not have a specific belief about
the nature of deity.

Their goal is to help sufficient numbers of people to become "clear" so
that a significant impact can be felt in areas of crime, mental
illness, warfare, drug addiction, physical illnesses etc.


Scientology Practices:

Scientology "auditing" is a unique form of personal counseling
intended to help an individual look at his own existence and improve
their ability to confront what and where they are. It is a precise,
thoroughly codified activity with exact procedures. A Scientology
counselor is known as an "Auditor". Auditing is assisted by use of a
specially designed meter (E-Meter or Electro-psychometer) which they
believe helps locate areas of spiritual distress or travail by
measuring the mental state or change of state of the person being
audited. It does this by continuously measuring the electrical
resistance of the person's body. Variations of resistance are shown on
a ammeter which are then interpreted by the Auditor. The E-Meter was
invented by Volny Mathieson who gave it to L.R. Hubbard. It is covered
under US Patent 3,290,589 "Device for Measuring and Indicating Changes
in the Resistance of a Human Body", issued on 1966-DEC-6.


An equal part of the practice of Scientology is training in
Scientology principles which includes the technology of the auditing
process.


The whole purpose of auditing and training is to graduate individuals
to a higher state of spiritual existence or to cross "The Bridge to
Total Freedom." The goal is to revive the individual as a spiritual
being and free him from dependence on the material universe. The
metaphor of a bridge has long been used in religious tradition to
denote the route across the chasm from where we are now to a higher
plateau of existence.


Auditors become ministers, are ordained and wear clerical clothing.


Not being an exclusive religion, members are welcomed to retain their
church affiliation when they become Scientologists.


Another Scientology symbol is an eight-pointed cross. The eight points
represent the eight Dynamics, described above. The cross also
represents the transition from materialism to spirituality and the
crossing of that barrier.


Many counter-cult groups accuse the Church of Scientology (and other
religious groups with which they disagree on theological grounds) of
not allowing members to leave the church, or of endlessly harassing
them in an attempt to force them back into the fold. We have found
these claims to be false with other religious groups, and we believe
that it is also untrue in the case of Scientology. The church's
official position is that if a person leaves and asks to be taken off
the membership/mailing lists, they are not contacted. Otherwise they
might expect to get a phone call or letter of inquiry.

Scientology Books and Magazines
L. Ron Hubbard left a legacy of over 100 non-fiction books and 91
booklets as well as over 6,000 hours of taped lectures. So far over 90
of his works have been translated into 31 different languages and are
being distributed in over 120 countries. The two most popular are:


L. Ron Hubbard, "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health",
Bridge, Los Angeles (1950, 1978)


L. Ron Hubbard, "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought", The Church
of Scientology of California Publications Organization, Los Angeles,
(1973)


Other books are: Science of Survival; Dianetics 55!; Self Analysis; A
New Slant on Life; The Problems of Work; Have You Lived Before This
Life?; The Phoenix Lectures; Clear Body, Clear Mind; and An
Introduction to Scientology Ethics.

The Church of Scientology has published two important works about their
religion:


"What is Scientology?," an encyclopedia on the basic beliefs,
practices and organization of the Scientology religion.


"The Scientology Handbook"; a compilation of the works of Mr. Hubbard
and specific Scientology technologies dealing with communication,
integrity and honesty, marriage, children, drugs, and education, etc.


Periodicals published by various units in the organization are: Source,
The Auditor, Advance and Freedom.


Scientology Programs
The Church of Scientology supports a number of secular programs
utilizing the various technologies developed by L. Ron Hubbard through
the Association for Better Living (ABLE). The following programs are
supported:


Narconon is a rehabilitation program, assisting individuals to
overcome their drug dependencies. Their Purification Rundown procedure
involves exercise, sauna, vitamins and drills. Narcanon has 37
locations in Canada, United States and other countries. Independent
studies have showed that about 75% of Narconon graduates have remained
off drugs when they were checked two years after completing the
program. This is a success rate that is considerably higher than most
programs.


Criminon is a program to rehabilitate criminals through utilizing
Hubbard's book, The Way to Happiness, which is a 21-precept modern
moral code.


The Way to Happiness Foundation promotes The Way to Happiness
throughout society to improve moral and family values.


Applied Scholastics utilizes the educational ideas of Hubbard, which
stress complete understanding through the use of unique study
principles.


The World Institute of Scientology Enterprises is a religious
fellowship made up of businessmen and professionals in numerous fields,
who utilize and promote the administrative technology of Hubbard.


The Church has several social reform groups, the most notable being
the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights which exposes abuses in the
field of psychiatry and mental health. In Canada, the Say No to Drugs,
Say Yes to Life campaign is well known.

Important Dates
Scientologists celebrate many important dates in their history. The
most important are:


March 13: L. Ron Hubbard's Birthday


May 9: The anniversary of the book Dianetics, first published on that
date in 1950


September - Second Sunday: Auditor's Day, when the contributions of
auditors is acknowledged.


October 7: The International Association of Scientologists
Anniversary, which is held in a different city each year.

Attacks From Counter-cult Groups
Many emergent religions suffer repeated attacks by counter-cult groups.
Scientology was one of their main targets; these attacks continue
today. Their main organized opposition seems to have come from two
organizations: Fight Against Coercive Tactics network (FACTnet) and the
Cult Awareness Network (CAN). [CAN closed in mid 1996 and its assets
were liquidated. In an ironic twist, its name, logo, phone number and
other assets were purchased by a new group run by a multi-faith board
which is dedicated to promoting religious tolerance. (12) The original
CAN's bankruptcy was caused by costs assessed by a court as a result of
their association with a vicious kidnapping and assault.]


Attacks From Internet Free-Speech Advocates
A war of sorts is raging on the Internet between the church,
anti-Scientology individuals and persons dedicated to preserving total
freedom of speech on the Internet. Starting in 1994-DEC, the Church has
aggressively attempted to defend their copyright on a wide range of
confidential Church documents including rituals that they regard as
highly secret. This has brought them into conflict with numerous
Internet users and service providers who are keen to promote the
complete freedom of speech on the Net, without regard to copyrights
held by individuals and organizations.

The Church has aggressively engaged in a number of lawsuits, including:

law suits against Dennis Erlich, Keith Henson, Arnie Lerma, Grady
Ward, and other individuals


law suits against Netcom, DGSys, Washington Post, FACTnet (an agency
supplying information on groups who allegedly use coercive mind
control), XS4ALL and 14 other Dutch Internet Service Providers, and
"anon.penet.fi" (a Finnish anonymous remailer).


Some interesting conflicts include:


The Religious Technology Center (RTC) v. Netcom On-Line Communication
Services Inc. (Netcom): RTC was one of the copyright owners of writings
by Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Dennis Erlich was a
church minister, but left the organization and became a critic of the
religion. He posted part of the church's works on the Usenet news group
alt.religion.scientology; this was an illegal act, because he had not
first obtained permission from the copyright holder. His posting went
through a BBS system owned by Thomas Klemsrud where the files were
stored for 3 days. The postings were automatically forwarded to the
Internet service provider Netcom, where they were stored for 11 days.
Netcom's software made postings available to Usenet servers around the
world. Netcom personnel do not monitor or censor any postings; all were
processed automatically without human intervention.

The Church asked Erlich to stop the postings; he refused. They then
asked Klemesrud to remove the postings and keep Erlich off his BBS.
Klemsrud replied by asking the Church to prove that it owned the
copyrights for the postings. The Church refused this request as being
unreasonable. They then asked Netcom to refuse Erlich access to the
Internet. Netcom refused, because the only way for them to accomplish
this would be to disconnect hundreds of other BBS users as well. The
Church sued Klemesrud and Netcom for copyright infringement. When this
suit is settled, it will probably became a landmark case in copyright
law on the Internet.

The court recognized that even though the BBS and Netcom files were
only saved for 11 days or less, that they were still sufficiently
"fixed" to constitute copies under the copyright act. But because there
was no actual manual intervention by Netcom, the court considered their
involvement analogous to the owner of a public-access copy machine who
allows customers to duplicate material. The court held that only the
original subscriber can be held liable for "direct infringement" of any
posting of a copyrighted work to a Usenet group. But if the Church
could prove that Netcom was aware of the copyright infringement in time
to prevent its distribution, and that they took no action, then Netcom
could be considered liable to "contributory infringement."


The Fishman Documents: Steven Fishman, a former Scientologist and
convicted felon was being sued by the Church over comments that he had
made to a reporter for Time Magazine. These comments had formed part of
an article "Scientology: The Cult of Greed." which Time magazine had
published in 1991. Time had called the Church a "hugely profitable
global racket." The Church had sued Time for libel. Time won, and the
decision was affirmed on appeal. The magazine spent over 7 million
dollars to contest the court action. Fishman had included into the
trial record about 65 pages of the Church's Operating Thetan (OT)
documents - about 10% of the total writings by Hubbard on this topic.
Although most of his writings are public, the OT documents are very
carefully protected by the Church. A 1993 court ruling recognized that
their scriptures are trade secrets. Access is only permitted to members
who are judged to be spiritually and ethically fit to handle the
material. Fees totaling tens of thousands of dollars are paid by
members to read and study all 8 levels of the documents.

The 65 pages were put on the WWW by a Webmaster in Amsterdam. On
1995-SEP, Scientology representatives asked the Dutch XS4ALL ("access
for all") Internet Service Provider to delete the documents from their
customer's page; the provider refused. When the smoke cleared,
duplicate sets of documents had appeared at more than 100 other WWW
sites. The Church then sued 3 other service providers; this was later
increased to a total of 23 separate parties. The Church lost.


In 1995-JAN, a Church lawyer approached Usenet administrators,
unsuccessfully attempting to have the "alt.religion.scientology"
newsgroup removed. She argued that the name of the group included their
trademarked name "Scientology".


In 1995-FEB, Scientology officials worked through Interpol and the
Finnish police to obtain the "True Name" of one user from
"anon.penet.fi", an anonymous remailer. In 1996, they asked for two
more names. Rather than comply, the owner of the remailer, Julf
Helsingius, closed down the facility.


From 1996-MAY-19 to SEP-17, thousands of spam postings from over 20
accounts or pseudonyms have been made to newsgroup
"alt.religion.scientology". The postings consist of text taken from the
Church's web site. Some newsgroup subscribers blame this on the Church.
But there is no indication what individual or group is responsible.


A series of lawsuits against individuals and service providers came to
the attention of the Washington Post. They published a story on the
dispute, and quoted a total of 46 words from the secret writings by
Hubbard. The Church sued the Post and two of its reporters for
copyright infringement.


Just as the Jehovah's Witnesses have historically engaged in many legal
battles to define the limits of religious freedom, the Church of
Scientology cases may well play a major role in defining the limits of
free speech on the Net


Church Legal Problems
There have been friction between the Church and a number of European
governments:


Germany: The government has sponsored an ongoing campaign against new
religions for years. New religious movements are being considered as
alien to the country's culture by many Germans. Meanwhile, the Roman
Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish religious communities have special legal
status in this country. The state collects an income tax surcharge on
all members of these faith groups; state governments subsidize
Church-affiliated schools. The Church of Scientology, and numerous
other small faith groups remain outside these lucrative financial
arrangements. In addition, tax officials are attempting to abolish the
Church's tax exempt status because they regard it as a business and are
concerned with some of its teachings.

The Church has received recognition of its status as a religion from
the courts, which should theoretically give it protection under the
religious freedom clause of the German constitution. However,
persecution of the Church within Germany is ongoing.


France: A Scientology center was closed in France because of tax
problems. At the request of the widow of a follower of Scientology, a 5
year investigation was conducted by a French court into the
organization's beliefs, practices, global structure and finances. 24
senior members of the French branch of the Church have gone on trial
with charges ranging from manslaughter to embezzlement, fraud and
complicity. Jean-Jacques Mazier, the former head of the Lyons Mission
of the Church of Scientology, was convicted of manslaughter and fraud.
He was sentenced on 1996-NOV-22 to 18 months in jail. According to the
prosecution, he and Patrice Vic unsuccessfully tried to persuade Vic's
wife to lend him money to take a Scientology course. Vic committed
suicide by jumping off his apartment building. According to the
defense, Vic's suicide was caused by alcohol abuse and depression.


Greece: On 1997-JAN-17, the Church, which has operated in that country
as Center of Applied Philosophy was labeled a danger to society and
ordered to close by an Athens court. Judge Constandia Angelaki wrote:
"It is an organization with medical, social and ethical practices that
are dangerous and harmful. It claims to act freely so as to draw
members who subsequently undergo...brainwashing by dictated ways of
thinking that limit reaction capabilities." Scientology representative
Heber Jentzsch wrote: "The case is a sham. It is unfortunately
reminiscent of the former junta that ruled Greece as a totalitarian
state and the assault today is simply because the mission is not
'orthodox' according to the prevailing vested interests in Greece." In
1999-MAY, the Third Court of Appeals dismissed all charges after the
prosecutor asked that they be withdrawn.


Italy: On 1997-JAN-18, 29 members of the Church were sentenced to
between 9 and 20 months in prison for criminal association. Fabio
Amicarelli, a spokesman for Scientology, said that Scientologists are
being persecuted in Italy just as in Germany.

Disclaimer
So much controversy has been generated by pro and anti Scientology
individuals and groups that the truth is impossible to separate from
the propaganda. Like many other new emerging faith groups, Scientology
has been accused of ethics violations, brainwashing techniques,
swindling people, etc. Their opponents have been accused of violating
copyright laws, violating the civil rights of Church members by
kidnapping, confining and brainwashing them, etc.


Internet and Magazine Resources
Letter from Mario E Roy, Assistant Secretary, The Explorers Club,
1970-FEB-4
The official Scientology home page can be accessed at:
http://www.scientology.org/SCNHOME.HTM
There are an enormous number of Scientology related sites on the WWW.
We are at a loss trying to separate the reliable ones from the garbage.
Yahoo has a large selection of pro and anti-Church sites at:
http://www.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion/
There is a Scientology newsgroup frequented by a few pro and many
anti-Scientologists. See: news:alt.religion.scientology
The Secrets of Scientology: The E-Meter page describes the E-Meter.
See: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/
The "Internet Wars" are described in:

Ron Newman's home page documents conflicts "that are hostile to the
spirit of free speech on the Net". The page is titled: "The Church of
Scientology vs. the Net" See:
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/home.html


Wendy Grossman, "alt.scientology.war", Wired magazine, 1995-DEC


Alison Frankel, "Making Law, Making Enemies", American Lawyer
magazine, 1996-MAR


David Post, The State of Nature and the First Internet War:
Scientology, its Critics, Anarchy, and Law in Cyberspace", Reason
magazine, 1996-APR


Rod Keller at rke...@voicenet.com Emails a weekly update on
Scientology, from a negative perspective
Harriet Whitehead, "Renunciation and Reformation: A Study of Conversion
in an American Sect" Cornell (1987) (An anthropological study of the
Church of Scientology)
Roy Wallis, "The Road to Total Freedom: A Sociological Analysis of
Scientology" (1977)
An analysis of the Erlich-Netcom case is at:
http://204.191.126.89/home/mccarthy/web/docs/mt-istra.html
The Free Zone Association is an international group centered in
Germany, founded in 1982 by Bill Robertson. They are attempting to
apply L. Ron Hubbard's technology and philosophy independently of the
Church. See: http://www.freezone.org
The new Cult Awareness Network as reorganized by the "Foundation for
Religious Freedom" has a Web site at:
http://www.cultawarenessnetwork.org
T.C. Tobin, "The man behind Scientology," at:
http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/102598/scientologypart1.html
Copyright © 1997 to 2000 incl.
Latest update: 2000-JAN-18
Author: B.A. Robinson

Reproduction by permission of the copyright holder, Ontario Consultants
on Religious Tolerance, granted on 6 June 2000 to the USN Chaplain
Corps.
www.religioustolerance.org

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jerald

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Do you think we all should refile the FOA or wait and see what you get
back? I don't want to rush them in a way that pisses them off.

jerald


Beckyboo wrote:


> runningwild wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > Sorry I hit post too soon. Do we want an article about this?
>

> I can't speak for the group, an article wouldn't hurt, would it? But
> have to say it was a big win and I'm not sure why someone is trying to
> take the wind out of the sails right now and add a lot of mish-mash to
> this issue. The critical information that was originally on the page
> was actually slanted towards $cientology. We can't get the Navy to
> declare them as not a religion, that's a bigger issue than we are able
> to pull off at this time.
>
> Congrats Jerald! You did a David and Goliath move...and together we
> made a difference.
>
> WE did a great thing....
>
> --
>
> Becky

Out_Of_The_Dark

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jerald wrote:
> Do you think we all should refile the FOA or wait and see what you get
> back? I don't want to rush them in a way that pisses them off.
> jerald <

jerald,

I got an reply email that all today's emailed information has been
forwarded back to Sarah English the Head, CNO/SECNAV FOIA Requester
Service Center. She is the person who initially received my report.

I then received a call from Ms English that my request and email were
assigned and being addressed and I would hear back from them shortly. I
would allow them time.

I think they got the point as far as my FOIA request. Perhaps a
complaint about the changes directly to the web master and the chaplain
there might be helpful.

I think they should use the web page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
on http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
if they are to use anything. That way they can disclaim responsiility
for content and allow wiki to do what it does: inform with both sides
of the issues.
Here are the contacts: Click 'PROVIDE Feedback about thie site" and
fill in form here"
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/index.htm
or email Chapla...@chaplain.navy.mil or
Webm...@crb.chaplain.navy.mil
or Call: 401-841-3720 (DSN: 968)

What we are all doing is very important here, even though the site is
not optimum at this point. It might well be a turning point to getting
the pros and cons of scientology on via wiki on every govt web site
that lists them. I sure hope so. -JustCallMeMary

jerald

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Ok, thanks, doing it now.

jerald

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Agree Beckyboo, Jerald is to be commended highly for this exposure
effort.

ANCHORS AWAY MY FRIEND....ANCHORS AWAY....but w/o a cult in it's ranks.

Ex-Navy and Ex-$cieno here,

Tom
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