......it's a crime to give away Scientology for "free"
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Hubbard stated:
"No service or sale of any kind may be given by an part of an org
without invoicing or registration.
"To deliver service or goods to a person who has not been invoiced or
registered to receive that specific item constitutes a crime and must
be handled as such."
L. RON HUBBARD, Founder
Tom Newton
It's their organization. They can run it as they choose.
What makes a bunch of idiot trolls think they can tell any
organization how to run itself?
Their heads are as fat as they are empty.
But the fact is that Hubbard may never have said that. Or big
parts of the document may have been left out. These people have
no morals at all. They are deceitful from the ground up.
The very name of this newsgroup is a lie. If they were honest it
would be called "alt.religion.scientology-is-evil".
And Hubbard is dead and many of his policies have been dropped.
Which they know perfectly well.
ars and 'anonymous' are composed of the most vicious gossips
the world has ever seen.
You can't believe anything they say. On the Usenet or the Web.
Tom
--
calhobbit (at) | The Truth will set you free:
gmail [DOT] com | http://www.sethcenter.com
anony...@googlemail.com
But of course the CoS officials can be trusted entirely... I mean they
have nothing to gain from not telling the truth... well... apart from
all the money they get. And what do anon gain really? Think about
it. We have no reason whatsoever to lie about this, whereas those
running the CoS have every reason to. I would agree with your comment
if it was just aload of people judging without knowing anything but
there are so so so many first hand accounts and provable cases on the
internet alone even with the secrets that are still kept. SOMETHING
has to be done, and all we are wanting is for people to stop hurting
other people simply to get money.
clam....@googlemail.com
Warrior
Scientology has very explicit policies which govern all aspects of its
operations. The policies are contained in books called the OEC (Org-
anization Executive Course) Volumes. OEC Volume III is the volume
which contains financial policies. I am a former Scientologist who was
extensively trained in the subject of finance at one of the Scientology
centers in Los Angeles - the one called ASHO (American Saint Hill Organ-
ization). I worked in finance there for over six years. During my time in
Scientology, I worked in the elite inner core of the group known as the
Sea Org. Some of the positions I held were Treasury Secretary, Financial
Planning Committee Chairman, Advisory Council member, Director of
Disbursements, Audits Officer, Banking Liaison, Purchasing Officer,
Supply Officer and ASHO Guardian Office Financial Planning Activation
Officer.
Here are some applicable policies of Scientology pertaining to their
services and their cost:
"For instance, you never give away an Academy Course. You always charge
heavily for it.
"ALL PERSONAL SERVICES RENDERED TO THE INDIVIDUAL RESULTING IN A GOOD
PROCESS ["auditing"] RESULT OR A WORTHWHILE CERTIFICATE MUST BE CHARGED
FOR HEAVILY." [caps in original]
-- HCO Policy Letter 23 September 1964 "Cost of Service"
===
"It will be found that those who will pay were the most able to begin with
and have the greatest value to others. Their worth as persons is greater."
-- HCO Policy Letter 9 May 1965 "Auditing Fees - Preferential Treatment
of Preclears - Scale of Preference"
===
"We ALWAYS CHARGE FOR RAISING STATS [statistics] ON ANY DYNAMIC."
"The further down, the more we charge."
-- HCO Policy Letter 12 October 1967 "Charges"
===
"PROCESSING MAY NEVER BE GIVEN AWAY BY AN ORG. Processing is too expensive
to deliver." [caps in original]
-- HCO Policy Letter 27 September 1970 Issue I "Cutative Prices"
===
"ONLY FULLY CONTRACTED STAFF IS AWARDED FREE SERVICE, AND THIS IS DONE
BY INVOICE AND LEGAL NOTE WHICH BECOMES DUE AND PAYABLE IF THE
CONTRACT IS BROKEN." [caps in original]
-- HCO Policy Letter 27 September 1970 Issue I "Cutative Prices"
===
"Do not invite credit. We are a financial institution not a bank.
Credit may not be extended to bad credit risks. The Registrar [name
for a Scientology salesperson] should be provided with a bad risk list
by Accounts. Badly overdue accounts must now be sued."
-- HCO Policy Letter 4 June 1959 "Invoicing and Collection of Money"
===
HCO PL 27 April 1965 Issue II "Price Engram":
"Merchandising by advertising that prices are going up soon is forbidden."
===
LRH ED 284 "The Solution To Inflation":
"According, henceforth, beginning at midnight 31 October 1976 the
requested donations of all services, books, meters, courses and
processing, will increase 5%."
"On 30 November 1976 at midnight, all these prices will be increased
5% over October."
"In the United Kingdom ... the increase will be 10% per month."
"Thereafter, at midnight on the last day of each month, the expected
donations will increase 5% [10% in the UK] over the past month."
===
Further, afolder...@cs.com asked:
>does anyone know if ROn had any limits on pricing, or what the policy is.
>Didn't he forsee making it a billion dollars an hour as a plan to stop it?
>There has to be policy.
>Thomas Bombadil
There are lots of policies on pricing of goods and services sold by the
$cientology corporations. Here are a few excerpts:
HCO PL 16 April 1959 "Books, Cost Of":
"No book may be listed at less than 5 times the cost of one volume."
===
HCO PL 14 May 1959 "How To Establish Price of Books and Tapes":
"Establish fully the printing cost. Multiply by five. This is the
cost of the book to usual buyers.
===
HCO PL 10 February 1965 "Ad and Book Policies":
"The costing formula for pricing a book by the publishing agency
(not the seller) is as follows: Printing cost x 5 + 2x Surface
post to furthest org. [...] This is a minimum price formula."
===
HCO PL 23 September 1964 "Cost Of Service":
"For instance, you never give away an Academy Course. You always
charge heavily for it."
"ALL PERSONAL SERVICES RENDERED TO THE INDIVIDUAL RESULTING IN
A GOOD PROCESS RESULT OR A WORTHWHILE CERTIFICATE MUST BE
CHARGED FOR HEAVILY."
===
HCO PL 9 May 1965 "Auditing Fees":
"It will be found that those who will pay more were the most able
to begin with and have the greatest value to others. Their worth
as persons is greater."
===
HCO PL 12 October 1967 "Charges":
"...we ALWAYS CHARGE FOR RAISING STATS ON ANY DYNAMIC."
"And we always adjust charges in proportion to the degree the stat
was down. The further down, the more we charge."
===
HCO PL 27 September 1970 Issue I "Cutative Prices":
"PROCESSING MAY NEVER BE GIVEN AWAY BY AN ORG. Processing is too
expensive to deliver."
"BOOKS MAY NEVER BE GIVEN AWAY BY AN ORG OR BY A PUBS ORG. They are
too expensive to manufacture."
"F[ield] S[taff] M[ember] COMMISSIONS MAY NEVER BE PAID ON DISCOUNTED
OR CUT RATE ITEMS. If an FSM can't sell for full value he does not
rate any commission."
===
HCO PL 27 April 1965 Issue II "Price Engram":
"Merchandising by advertising that prices are going up soon is forbidden."
"Efforts to reduce prices below a set scale will be considered suppressive
acts."
===
HCO PL 23 September 1964 "Policies: Dissemination and Programmes":
"ALL HUBBARD QUALIFIED SCIENTOLOGY COURSES MUST COST THE SAME AS
HUBBARD CERTIFIED AUDITOR COURSES."
"THE COST OF A CERTIFICATE COURSE MAY NOT BE LESS THAN ONE MONTH'S
AVERAGE PAY FOR THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS GIVEN AND MUST BE IN CASH."
"HIGHER LEVEL COURSES CAN BE CHARGED FOR AT HIGHEWR RATES (HCS AND
HSS)."
"ONE WEEK'S PROCESS (25 HOURS) SHOULD COST AN AVERAGE MONTH'S PAY
(AS IN TRAINING)."
===
HCO PL 19 October 1964 "Pricing Formulas":
"(This Policy Letter modifies HCO Pol Ltr of Sept 23, 1964, in
giving three months' average income, instead of one month's as
the average price for training and processing. Otherwise, HCO
Pol Ltr of Sept 23, 1964, is generally valid.)"
"The price of a 25 hour intensive or any one course above the level
of HAS shall be computed as costing the same as three months' pay
for the average middle class working individual."
===
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Warrior <war...@entheta.net>
Date: 1 Jun 2002 23:50:01 -0700
Subject: Some of Scientology pricing policies
HCO Policy Letter 9 May 1965 "Auditing Fees" © L. Ron Hubbard:
"It will be found that those who will pay more were the most able
to begin with and have the greatest value to others. Their worth
as persons is greater."
From: Warrior (war...@entheta.net)
Subject: More on LRH pricing policies
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2000/01/25
[posted & mailed]
>Warrior wrote:
>> Did you know that the "church" of $cientology has a policy regarding
>> PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT of students and PCs? That's right; the more
>> MONEY one has, the more attention one gets.
Someone asked for the reference. Here is one by L Ron Hubbard, written
on the fifteenth anniversary of _Dianetics: The Modern Science [sic] of
Mental Health_ [sic].
HCO PL 9 May 1965 "TECHNICAL & QUALIFICATIONS DIVISIONS - DIVISIONS 4 - 5
- URGENT - AUDITING FEES - PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OF PRECLEARS - SCALE OF
PREFERENCE" states, in part:
"There is a definite and positive Scale of Preference for accepting
and scheduling preclears (including students sent to Review) for
auditing in the HGC and in the Case Cracking Section of the Depart-
ment of Review."
"Last on the list is any person who seeks auditing as a favour 'to
demonstrate to others what it can do' or 'because of importance as
a person'. The auditing of someone just because the result would
'prove' something or other or because the person has money or power
and might donate, by firm policy since 1950, has been relegated to
the 'circular file' (the waste basket). Giving auditing away to such
persons or their friends or children or psychotic brother in the
asylum is in fact forbidden."
"SCALE OF PREFERENCE", from highest to lowest, is as follows:
A. "Best Available Auditors, earliest possible commencement;
Pcs [who are] Paying [the] full rate Cash in Advance with the
longest consecutive auditing period purchased."
B. "Skilled auditor (but not specially requested auditor, early
commencement; Full rate pcs whose credit has proven excellent
and prompt by past experience."
C. "Good auditor, early commencement; Pcs [who are] paying [the]
cash in advance professional rate."
D. "Auditor staff available scheduling; Full public rate pcs with
50% deposit and unknown or not established credit."
E. "Interne Auditor and any scheduling convenient to org; Full public
rate pcs requiring up to 75% credit, credit unknown."
F. "Any Interne Auditor, and any scheduling convenient to org;
Professional rate requiring credit."
G. "Any student, any scheduling convenient to org; Total credit at
any rate, credit unknown."
H. "Students who need practice, cases not supervised except for
student check sheet in Examinations, scheduled randomly or by
waiting list, charity or pcs on full credit of a pcs unknown
nature."
The distribution for this policy letter is "Remimeo, Registrar HAT,
Tech Sec HAT, Qual Sec HAT, Org Sec HAT [now called Treasury Secretary],
Dir Accts HAT [now called Director of Income], Cashier's HAT".
Hubbard goes on to write, on page two of this same policy letter:
"It will be found that those who will pay were the most able to begin
with and have the greatest value to others. Their worth as persons is
greater."
[...]
"Real charity cases who never pay are actually hard to find. In
Charity Auditing one must always give them a chance to pay."
"A Registrar's matter of fact attitude about paying for auditing
or training is a valuable asset. Giving the person a problem
about how and what they'll pay is poor Registraring. Don't make
them choose about paying in full or not paying in full. Just tell
them 'Go to the Accounts Cashier'. An evil laugh when they advance
the idea of some tiny down payment on auditing and a remark, 'Well,
that would put you on the waiting list and give you a new student,'
might be very effective." -- copyright © 1965 by L. Ron Hubbard
It is an important policy letter in $cientology, since it deals with
fees, the assignment of "auditors", as well as "preferential scheduling"
of "preclears" and "students". It is important because services are
NEVER allowed to be given away free. [1] One of the MOST important
duties of the Treasury Secretary, Director of Income and/or Cashier
in a $cientology corporation is the "policing of money" (also called
the "policing of finance lines" [2] to ensure that NO "illegal" discounts
or free services are given. After all, $cientology is run as a commercial
enterprise based upon the "doctrine of exchange".
Other references on no free services being allowed are HCO PLs 27 November
1971 Issue III and 22 December 1971 Issue I, both on the subject of "FREE
SERVICE = FREE FALL". I cannot find my copies at this time, but I believe
a search of Usenet at http://www.deja.com will find a post or posts by
Dennis Erlich on this subject.
===
Footnotes:
(note: CAPS are used as they appear in the original issue)
1) HCO PL 23 September 1970 Issue I "Organization Series Number Six -
Cutative Prices" states: "PROCESSING MAY NEVER BE GIVEN AWAY BY AN ORG."
and "BOOKS MAY NEVER BE GIVEN AWAY BY AN ORG OR BY PUBS ORG [now Bridge
Publications Inc. and New Era Publications Inc.] and "ONLY FULLY CON-
TRACTED STAFF IS AWARDED FREE SERVICE, AND THIS IS DONE BY [a "no charge"]
INVOICE AND LEGAL NOTE WHICH BECOMES DUE AND PAYABLE IF THE CONTRACT IS
BROKEN." -- copyright © 1970 by L. Ron Hubbard
HCO PL 12 October 1967 "Charges" states "...we ALWAYS CHARGE FOR RAISING
STATS ON ANY DYNAMIC." -- copyright © 1967 by L. Ron Hubbard
HCO PL 23 September 1964 "Cost of Service" states: "ALL PERSONAL
SERVICES RENDERED TO THE INDIVIDUAL RESULTING IN A GOOD PROCESS
RESULT OR A WORTHWHILE CERTIFICATE MUST BE CHARGED FOR HEAVILY."
-- copyright © 1964 by L. Ron Hubbard
HCO PL 6 January 1966 "Credit and Discounts" states: "When a person's
paid processing is consumed, and he requires more he or she pays for it
before being given more." -- copyright © 1966 by L. Ron Hubbard
2) BPL 1 May 1977 "Division Three Ideal Scenes and Stats" states: "DIVISION
THREE [Treasury Division] IDEAL SCENE: "All funds collected for any and
all goods and services sold and delivered by the org, through an active
Cashier, volume outflow to all accounts, effective collection measures
and tight policing of all income lines..." and "DEPARTMENT SEVEN - DEPT
OF INCOME IDEAL SCENE: All funds collected for goods and services sold
and delivered by the org, including past debts, cash payments and pre-
payments, through an active Cashier that persuades payment in cash
further purchases, assists Registrar closes [sales], collects for book-
store items, Memberships, Qual[ifications Division] and other debits,
and prepayments through a complete, up to date correctly addressed and
accurate file for every person who has a debt or credit with the org,
volume outflow of statements and collection letters with the correct
R[eality] that entice payment, effective collection measures on debtors
using the correct appeals and repeated contact to procure payment, well
policed income lines that allow no free or cutative priced services..."
-- copyright © 1977 by L. Ron Hubbard
===
In all my years in $cientology, including the time I was on staff at a
"Class IV Org", the almost eight years on staff in the Sea Org, and during
the many years I was a "public" member, I never once saw any service given
for free by any $cientology "non-profit" corporation calling itself a "church".
Warrior - Sea Org trained Finance Specialist
See http://warrior.xenu.ca/19760728seaorgfinspec.jpg
===
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.xenu.ca
Warrior
Gerald Wayne McNeely, Jim Cox, Jeannette Vigue Douglass, Mary
Bievenouer and Jim Chapman.
From: Warrior (war...@entheta.net)
Subject: "Middle class PTSness & Hard Sell"
Date: 1998/07/20
The following excerpt is taken from a telexed order (later issued as an "Aides
Order") to ASHO Day, which was sent by the Sea Org Management Aide Ingeborg
Steinberg, as authorized and approved by the Scientology Authorizations and
Verifications Committee Clearwater. The telexed order is in the form of an
"eval" (evaluation) of a *bad* "scene" (from Scientology management's point
of view) which existed at ASHO Day with regards to the "GI" (gross income),
which was in a "non-viable range" of approximately $20,000-40,000 per week,
for the period prior to the issuance of the "eval".
A posting done earlier today, which mentions former Scientology Executive
Director International Bill Franks, brought to my mind this period in
Scientology's history. Bill Franks had been on a WDC (Watch Dog Committee)
Mission into ASHO Day from the period of December 1979 until March 1980;
his mission to "handle the hell out of" ASHO Day's downtrending "stats"
ended shortly after L Ron Hubbard's birthday on March 13,1980.
The main purpose of the WDC Mission was to get the "GI" once again in
a higher range. As I have posted before, the period preceding the Franks
Mission was a horrible one. Often the Sea Org staff received *no* pay
at all, sometimes for as many as eight weeks in a row. And rice and beans
for lunch and dinner, and oatmeal for breakfast, were the only meals
prepared and served by the CESO (Cedars Estates Service Org) "galley
cooks" for the "downstat" ASHO Day Sea Org staff members.
I was the Treasury Secretary of ASHO Day during this time. In addition,
I held the post of Director of Disbursements ("from above", as no one was
posted "under" me in Department Eight - Dept. of Disbursements). As
the Director of Disbursements, I performed all the duties of the five
sections in that department. These included: FP Liaison Section, Bills
Payment Verification Section, Bills Payment Preparing Section, Purchasing
Section *and*, last but not least, Payroll Section. As if this wasn't
enough to keep me in a state of total exhaustion, I also held the positions
of Financial Planning Committee Chairman and Advisory Council Member.
Prior to some time in 1978, I "only" held all of Department Eight. When
my senior, James Neil Chapman, was ordered to the RPF as a supposed "List
One R/Ser", I was promoted to Treasury Secretary to fill the vacancy
created by the incorrect assignment of Jim to the RPF. Of course, when I
was promoted, I remained responsible for performing all the duties of
all the sections below me in Department Eight, since no one was posted to
the departmental position I had held for the previous three years. What
this meant was that suddenly I had twice the workload once I was promoted.
In spite of all this, I did manage to win for my division (Treasury),
the "LRH Birthday Game". Yet somehow when the awards were given out at
the big event, my name wasn't even mentioned! I had to go pick up my
award and "cert" later, unceremoniously, from Melanie Herrick at FOLO
WUS. I was angry! I had busted my butt for a year, managed to have the
*highest* "stats" of any Scientology org Treasury Division in the *world*,
and when the time came to get a little recognition, I had been "overlooked".
Oh well. Sometimes you've got to say "What the f*ck!", to quote Tom
Cruise from the movie "Risky Business".
Anyway, the "eval" below, from which I post an excerpt, was called
"The End of Cautiousness Eval". It was issued on 22 June 1982 to
FOLO WUS execs, ASHO Day executives and "crew" (staff) and all PAC
Sea Org executives. The "eval" found, amongst other things, that
the ASHO Day "regges" and other "GI terminals" had become "cautious"
due to *heavy* and *unjust* "ethics actions" carried out by various
Sea Org and Guardian Office personnel. In other words, the "regges"
(those in charge of making money) had become careful out of fear of
having "heavy ethics actions" used on them.
Indeed, "ethics" was *savage* and *severe* during *at least* the
seven-year time period prior to the issuance of this "eval". Staff
were often assigned "treason" for such "offenses" as leaving an
invoice machine "insecure", for "jaywalking", for leaving a key
in the photocopy machine (me!), or "allowing" the FBI to enter the
Cedars Complex in execution of a *search warrant* (in the 1977 raid)!
The "eval" found various "whos" as the individuals responsible for
having created an atmosphere of fear. Thus, the "eval" is entitled
"The End of Cautiousness Eval". Interestingly, many Sea Org execs
were found "guilty" for *applying* Hubbard's policies on "ethics".
The telex is of course heavily loaded with Scientologese and
abbreviations. Note in particular, the use of the terms "WOG COMM
LINES", "WOG FINANCE LINES", "WOG RULES", "WOG STANDARDS",
"MIDDLE CLASS PTSNESS" and the idocy of how "ADVANCED
COURSES REHABILITATE THE THETAN TO HIS OT ABILITIES AND
LAST FOREVER AND GIVE IMMORTALITY."
Does anyone *really* doubt me when I say that the word "WOG" is
used extensively by Scientology's Sea Org upper management executives?
All I will say, is that *my* experience SURE IS DIFFERENT from Claire's!
I will try to give some more commentary and background later this week.
And of course, I will be available to answer questions and to explain
the numerous Scieno terms and abbreviations. If you have any questions,
please post them.
Warrior
=======
[begin fair use excerpts]
AO 44- 22 JUNE 82
FLAG
FLWUS
ASHOD EXECS AND CREW
PAC SO EXECS
ASHO D
"END OF CAUTIOUSNESS" EVAL
POLICY:
NOTHING IN THIS EVAL..." HCO PL MIDDLE CLASS PTSNESS. R ADVICE ON
"HARDSELL" FROM THE "MILLION DOLLAR MO'S" BY LRH. - "IF THE
CAPTAIN DOES NOT KNOW (UNDERLND) THAT ADVANCED COURSES ARE THE MOST
VALUABLE SERVICE ON THE PLANET, HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
HARD SELL (2 WRDS IN CAPS). THEREFORE HE MUST REALIZE (4 WRDS
UNDERLND): THAT LIFE INSUREANCE, HOUSES, CARS, STOCKS, BONDS, COLLEGE
SAVINGS, ARE ALL TRANSITORY AND IMPERMANENT, AND BASED ON THINGS NOT
SURVIVING, OR ON THINGS THAT ARE IN FACT BEING DESTROYED.
"ADVANCED COURSES REHABILITATE THE THETAN TO HIS OT ABILITIES AND
LAST FOREVER AND GIVE IMMORTALITY.
<snip>
DATA:
A RECENT DEBUG ASHO D'S GI LINES BROUGHT TO LIGHT THAT THE
REGGES WERE NOT OPERATING THE SAME WAY OTHER PAC REGGES ARE.
CURRENTLY, A GREAT DEAL OF REG TIME GOES INTO THE SUBJECT OF LOANS,
HOW THE CUSTOMER CAN OBTAIN THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR HIS SERVICES, AND
EVEN HOW THE CYCLE OF SLOW WOG COMM LINES FOR LOANS ETC CAN BE
SPEEDED UP THROUGH THE USE OF SCN COMMLINES AS REGARDS FINANCING
WHICH ARE MUCH FASTER AND DON'T CONTAIN THE AMOUNT OF RED TAPE WHICH
IS THE PRACTICE OF WOG FINANCE LINES. ASHO D REGGES, WHEN ASKED,
RECOGNIZED THAT THEY HAD A BACKOFF ON THE SUBJECT OF "FINANCING"
AND TO A DEGREE EVEN HESITATED AT TIMES RECOMMENDING TO THE CUSTOMER
TO TAKE A LOAN SO HE COULD PAY FOR A SERVICE. FOR INSTANCE THEY HAD
NOT THOUGHT OF CUTTING DOWN THE TIME OF A FINANCE CYCLE INCLUDING THE
SALE OF A HOUSE BY RECOMMENDING A MORTGAGE WHICH COULD BE GOTTEN NOW
WHEREAS THE SALE COULD TAKE MONTHS (XCLM). ONE REG STATED THAT WHEN
HE HEARD THE WORD "HOUSE" HE WOULD PRETTY MUCH END CYCLE ON THE REG
CYCLE AS IT COULD BE MONTHS BEFORE THAT WOULD COME THROUGH. IN
STRIPPING OFF THE FALSE DATA THE REGGES FOUND THAT THEY HAD BEEN
STUCK IN OLD "RULES" OF NOT OFFERING OR RECOMMENDING LOANS, IN NOT
HELPING THE CUSTOMER BY GETTING HIM TOGETHER WITH A FINANCIAL
SOURCE. THAT THEY HAD MU'S ON THE WORDS THEMSELVES CONNECTED WITH
FINANCING, THAT THEY HAD THOUGHT THE SUBJECT OF LOANS, FINANCING ETC.
(OR AT LEAST THE RECOMMENDATION OF IT) BENEATH THE SUBJECT OF SCN. IN
THE COURSE OF THIS, THE REGGES REALIZED THAT THEY WERE STUCK IN THE
PAST, AND WORSE YET WERE STUCK INTO OPERATING AT THE MOSTLY WOG RULES
THAT DETERMINE THE ELIGIBILITY FOR LOANS ETC. INSTEAD OF TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF SCN COMM LINES WHICH BASE THEIR JUDGEMENT MORE ON SCN
RULES (IE TRUSTWORTHINESS OF THE CUSTOMER BY SCN STANDARDS RATHER
THAN WOG STANDARDS), THE OVERALL REALIZATION WAS THAT THEY WERE STUCK
IN THE PAST AND HAD NOT COME UP TO P.T.
[end excerpt]
Warrior
A telex sent by Sea Org Management Aide (Ingeborg Steinberg) from Flag
to ASHO on 22 June 1982 refers to an HCO PL "Middle Class PTSness".
My earlier comments and questions on the subject of Hubbard's "advices"
on this subject stand. I definitely saw those, and in my memory they
are far more condemnatory towards the middle class than the HCO PL.
The HCO PL is for public consumption, whereas Hubbard's "advices" are
not. A related issue on this subject is Hubbard's "Million Dollar MOs
[Mission Orders]", in which he wrote:
"If the Captain [of the org] does not _KNOW_ that advanced courses are
the most valuable service on the planet, he will not be able to under-
stand HARD SELL. _Therefore_he_must_realize_: that life insurance,
houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, are all transitory and
impermanent, and based on things not surviving, or on things that are
in fact being destroyed.
"ADVANCE COURSES REHABILITATE THE THETAN TO HIS OT ABILITIES AND LAST
FOREVER AND GIVE IMMORTALITY.
"HARD SELL IS BASED ON KNOWING AND PROMOTING IN THIS LINE (TRUTH!) AND
NOT BEING REASONABLE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT 'OTHER THINGS' OR 'OTHER
PRACTICES.' THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPARE TO ADVANCE COURSES. THEY ARE
INFINITELY VALUABLE AND TRANSCEND TIME ITSELF." - L RON HUBBARD
There's more, but this gives the gist of his position, which was:
Give us ALL your money for advanced courses; anything else is
unimportant.
For another glimpse into Hubbard's power and money-driven, greedy
mind look here:
http://home.austin.rr.com/werreour/LRH_6Feb72_ltr_to_FBOUS.jpg
http://home.austin.rr.com/werreour/LRH_6Feb72_ltr_to_FBOUS_p2.jpg
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
"Scientology: it's about deception."
http://warrior.xenu.ca
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Dear Tom,
The green volumes I quoted are in many libraries, go check it out. It
is NOT a misquote.
You sound very much like a plausibly deniable ignorant observer of the
movement.
The quoted materials online are accurate.
There are dozens and dozens of credible former members posting on all
the chat sites, quoting Hubbard, and telling their firsthand stories.
Tom, check out Roger Straus, he might be more along the lines of a
view that you might absorb and get behind:
He's an ex Sea Org member, who after leaving the Sea Org, got
sociology trained, and wrote a number of papers and chapters of books,
discussing Scientology.
Check out Roger Straus why don't you! His angle if you adopt, might
do you better.
Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org (1975-2003)
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> In <1b4bff6a-b11c-4402-9590-e94a053ed...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> Date: 1 Jun 2002 23:50:01 -0700
> Subject: Some of Scientology pricing policies
>
> HCO Policy Letter 9 May 1965 "Auditing Fees" � L. Ron Hubbard:
>
> � � "It will be found that those who will pay more were the most able
> � � to begin with and have the greatest value to others. Their worth
> � � as persons is greater."
>
> �Subject: More on LRH pricing policies
>
> read more �
Go Mark Plummer! You know your Treasury policy, that's for sure!
Best, Chuck Beatt
ex Sea Org (1975-2003)
Warrior
Here are some more little gems from Hubbard and the Sea Org Management
Aide on the subjects of "HARD SELL" and Middle Class PTSness" as contained
in the "End of Cautiousness Eval". The portions in ALL CAPS and quotation
marks ("...") are the portions from the telex. As an additional note,
the whole telex, all 8 pages, is in all capital letters, as are all
telexes from that period.
"HARD SELL" IS BASED ON KNOWING AND PROMOTING IN THIS LINE (TRUTH
XCLM) (IN CAPS) AND NOT BEING REASONABLE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT 'OTHER
THINGS' OR 'OTHER PRACTICES.' THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPARE TO ADVANCE
COURSES. THEY ARE INFINITELY VALUABLE AND TRANSCEND TIME ITSELF."
LRH [Note: "XCLM" means "exclamation point" in telex jargon.]
The above is a quote directly from L Ron Hubbard's "Million Dollar MOs"
(Mission Orders). It is "source". No, make that, "SOURCE!" material.
I will remind the reader that Hubbard stated (LIED) that he resigned
from control of all Scientology orgs in 1966!
"Hard sell" as indoctrinated into Scientology's salespeople (called
"regges") includes extensive training, "demo'ing", "clay table"
training, "cramming", "debugging", "false data stripping", etc on Les
Dane's book _Big League Sales_ (referred to in Scn as "BLS") and other
materials. This indoctrination teaches Scientology registrars to NEVER
take NO for an answer. To do so would be an act of 'suppressive
reasonableness". See above where it says "'HARD SELL' IS BASED
ON KNOWING AND PROMOTING IN THIS LINE (TRUTH XCLM) (IN CAPS) AND NOT
BEING REASONABLE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT 'OTHER THINGS' OR 'OTHER PRACTICES.'"
Here's another quote (from SO Management Aide in the "Program" section,
target #1 of the "eval"):
"1. IMMEDIATELY REACH OUR [sic -should state 'OUT'] FOR AND REG
TO FULL COMPLETION WITH MONEY IN HAND ALL CYCLES ON LINES AND
DOUBLE THE GI. CO ASHO D, ASHO D REGES/DIV 6.
Immediately (*NOW NOW NOW*) get the MONEY in hand and *DOUBLE* the
GROSS INCOME! (Remember, this is how they talk and act, and is what
REALLY goes on inside this "church"). Hard sell, get it into the
"shop" (org) NOW NOW NOW, and _DOUBLE the GI_. This target was assigned
to the Commanding Officer ASHO Day (Alan Prager), and all registrars
(salespeople) and Public Division (Div 6) staff. Yes siree, Kenny Shapiro,
you were there. Remember?!? So were Ruthie Silverman, Dan Locke, Bill
Bertinot, Leslie Howard, Frank Benjamin, Jimmy Williams, Lynn Tumarkin
Ferry, Jeffrey Avrin, Jane Bertinot, Sissy Brown and Mark Przybylski --
to name a few of the names that come to mind.
Here's another quote, (from SO Management Aide in the "Program" section,
target #3 of the "eval"):
"3. HANDLE EACH REG INDIVIDUALLY (NO ROTE HANDLING, DO WHAT THE
INDIVIDUAL NEEDS) WITH EFFECTS OF AN R/SER AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE
TECH TO END THE EFFECTS OF HTE [sic - should read 'THE'] 1975 AND
FORWARD SUPPRESSION. SNR C/S, QUAL SEC.
This is another one I really like, because of the reference to
handling the "regges" with "tech" on "SPs" and "suppressed persons".
The Senior Case Supervisor (Barbara Rubio) and the Qualifications
Secretary (David Aldrich) were responsible for ensuring that *EACH*
and every individual registrar was "handled" with a *special* "audited
rundown" called "The Effects of R/Sers Handling". It was an HCOB written
and designed to handle the effects of *EVIL* beings (called SUPPRESSIVES
and/or "ROCK SLAMMERS", or "R/Sers") on other staff. Yours truly (Warrior)
was actually audited on this rundown back in 1978 during the so-called
"List One Era" in PAC. If there was ever a WITCH HUNT atmosphere anywhere,
surely that time period was one of the worst. I have written about this
before, but SO much remains unsaid of it. The fact is, that Scientologists
refer to this time period in terms such as "witch hunt" and "Aushau"
(after the Auschwitz Concentration Camps) and the "List One Era".
During a brief time period in the LA area Sea Orgs (called PAC Base, for
Pacific Area Command Base - you picketers have seen the sign at the Cedars
Complex, or "Big Blue") a Flag Mission meter-checked ALL Sea Org staff
for "R/Ses", which are signs of hidden "evil intentions" towards Scientology,
Scientologists, L Ron Hubbard, and related subjects. An "R/Ser" is the
same as an "SP".
Now get this...
As a result of this Flag Mission doing the "R/S" checks on the E-Meter,
many, many staff were sent to the RPF after having been found to be
"List One R/Sers". In fact, the PAC RPF Unit was *the* LARGEST ORG in
the whole PAC area!! Larger than AOLA's number of staff! And the
RPF Unit was larger than the number of staff at ASHO Day and ASHO Fdn
*combined*!!!
Since there had been SO MANY "SPs" on staff in the SO, the ones who
were NOT found to be "SPs" (including me) were *required* to do three
"actions". They were:
1. Be audited on the "Effects of R/Sers Handling" HCOB,
2. Do a "Leadership Course" (since most execs had been sent to the RPF,
new execs had to be "made")
3. Do a new course called "The Confront of Evil Checksheet" (so we
would be able to spot and handle "SPs" in the future; it was a
kind of "retrain" for most of us, since the story given to us by
SO management was that we *should* have been able to "spot" the
"SPs" in the Sea Org to begin with. Only our "failure" in applying
Hubbard's "PTS/SP tech" had allowed such an "SP scene" to even
exist.
Note: This is true. One day I sat at my office in Treasury and wondered
*how* SO MANY Sea Org members could be "SPs". I wasn't very highly
trained in the "tech" at the time, so I got out my Red Vols and began
reading up on "R/Ses", "R/Sers" and "SPs". I had had a strong feeling
that something was VERY wrong, because SEVEN out of the last eleven
staff who had been meter checked were found to be "R/Sers". Yet, Elron
had said that only about 2% were truly evil beings.
I wondered *how* is it that ***63%*** could have been EVIL "SPs"!!!!
In the Sea Org, there is a different level of "SP". It is often
determined that a person is found guilty of "reasonableness", "CI"
or maybe he just caused some SO asshole like Mike Rinder to get a
feather up his ass...
Scientology management often makes up the rules as it goes along.
In article <1998072121114800.RAA29...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, indu...@aol.com
says...
>So having equity in a house, or college savings, can equate to being "PTS"?!
>This is a pretty damning example of how CoS expects its members to be stripped
>of any available assets, and actually suggests and coordinates the taking out
>of loans. Oh, and why is it "public" members are supposed to take out loans,
>when Hubbard said it is a bad idea for the CoS and its orgs to have debts --
>you'd think the CoS should be putting any available cash towards the critical
>effort to "clear the planet".
Yes. This is the Sea Org Management in action, folks. Owning land, cars,
homes, savings accounts, stocks, bonds, life insurance policies, etc.
are "MEST" objects. Hubbard and Scientology teach that these things are
"impermanent" and "transitory" and are based upon things which are
therefore "not surviving". Getting ***Scientology*** is "THE MOST
VALUABLE THING ON THE PLANET" since going "Clear" and "OT" is *THE*
*WAY* to "be free" and to "assure immortality". ***ALL*** other things
are "secondary. "Regges" are taught, and "drilled" and "crammed" and
"debugged" and "false data stripped" and "sec checked" until they "KNOW"
that they are to ***NEVER EVER*** take NO for an answer! No "reasonableness"
is allowed in the Sea Org.
Another program written for ASHO was Aides Order 44-39R. The "R" indicates
it is a Hubbard-authored program (and originally a Hubbard telex). One of
the targets on this Aides Order is to send the "regges" to "cramming"
for each "failed close" of a "GI prospect" (meaning someone with MONEY
or other assets).
>> LIFE INSUREANCE, HOUSES, CARS, STOCKS, BONDS, COLLEGE
>>SAVINGS, ARE ALL TRANSITORY
>>A GREAT DEAL OF REG TIME GOES INTO THE SUBJECT OF LOANS,
>>HOW THE CUSTOMER CAN OBTAIN THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR HIS SERVICES
>>EVEN HESITATED AT TIMES RECOMMENDING TO THE CUSTOMER
>>TO TAKE A LOAN SO HE COULD PAY FOR A SERVICE
>>NOT THOUGHT OF CUTTING DOWN THE TIME OF A FINANCE CYCLE INCLUDING THE
>>SALE OF A HOUSE BY RECOMMENDING A MORTGAGE
>>WORSE YET WERE STUCK INTO OPERATING AT THE MOSTLY WOG RULES
>>THAT DETERMINE THE ELIGIBILITY FOR LOANS ETC
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
thankyou! It's the raw info that proves that when religious zealotry/
fanaticism/extremism take hold of someone, there's no stopping their
drive for whatever it is they think they need! In this case it's
money, to forward the goals of Clearing the planet, etc.
Hubbard failed to ever allow people to say NO to Hubbard's ideas!
His policies contain his flawed mindset.
And Scientologists dramatize his worst flaws ever since.
Nelson
"Tom Newton" <t...@server.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnft6gd...@treeoflife.3v8l2x.net...
Don't let Chuck slither his way out if it. You have him spotted dead on and
correctly. The policy is taken out of context to make Ron sound bad.
Typical scumbucket ploy. And he is also trying to pass off as creditable an
ex sea org member (apostate) who was probably a sociology student when he
started scientology and who then went on to complete his training after
blowing.
A sociologist/ex scientologist commenting on scientology? Pleeeeeeaasee
spare me. Scientology could help sociology do what its suppose to do and do
it better. But sociology is not going to "help", "improve" or change
scientology. KSW is there to prevent that and to bring the humanities and
social "sciences" up to present time and out of the dark ages of unreason.
To think otherwise is silly. To tell otherwise is a lie. Which brings us
back to slithery Chuck Beatty, IMHO a venomous snake by any other name.
Nelson
capricious
How do you take talking about your religious organization just as you
would discuss a corporation out of context? Can you please elaborate
on your logic for that Nelson? He says clear as day, they SELL
"services" and "goods", hence the NEED for an INVOICE.
CORPORATION != RELIGION
Get it through your teflon skull.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
OFFICE OF SPECIAL AFFAIRS NETWORK ORDER
OSA NW ORDER 15
18 February 1988
(Originally written by LRH on 12 January 1972...)
Confidential
BLACK PROPAGANDA
....."What is being attempted by black propagandists is to classify us
firmly in the public mind by constant repetition of certain words like
'cult.' The more we let such propagandists do this, the more chance
we give them, the more opportunity they have."
..."So this is their one trick.
"To cancel an enemy's chief weapon is in itself a part of victory.
"To cease to be the effect of classification and become in our turn
the cause of it, the classifier, is to win the propaganda game.
"Our propaganda is dirty but it is not black because it is true.
Black propaganda is essentially false.
"We do this trick by survey and attack. As what is attacked is
already popularly evil, we become re-classified as attackers and the
enemy as bad hats as they're for the evil if they attack us."
....."We just run propaganda campaigns.
"The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly
considered evils. This de-classifies us from former labels. It re-
classifies our attackers as evil people. Which they are."
...."So we
"(1) Seek to avoid opportunities for the enemy to classify us.
"(2) contest or expose any previous classifications as false (dead
agentry, etc.)
"(3) Engage in a series of campaigns which confuse past
classification.
"(4) Achieve for ourselves a dominance in classifying ourselves and
others."
L. RON HUBBARD, Founder
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> What makes a bunch of idiot trolls think they can tell any
> organization how to run itself?
>
"Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have
observed it
and it is true according to your observation. That is all."
http://www.aboutlronhubbard.org/eng/wis3_4.htm
If someone in or out of Scientology suddenly considers Hubbard's ideas
or behavior wrong, they have the right to say so!
Nelson
> Warrior - Sea Org trained Finance Specialist
Well Warrior, long time no flame.
Maybe you will be good enough to provide me with the requested finance
policy references.
as in:
I need specific policy references for or against what was once the (I assume
off policy) practice of getting book sale stats up and getting commissions
from book sales by diverting advanced payments for services over to the
persons book account where it can be spent on books, meters, tapes etc
instead of used for services. Or is that simply called juggling accounts as
already provided for in policy on offences and penalties ? The diversion is
of course done with the persons agreement but is it forbidden as book seller
practice to target advance payments for services for diversion to the book
account?
In other words this is not a about a person asking the book store to sell
him books from money in his advanced payment account for services. This is
about combing over account folders so the advanced payments for services can
be cannibalised by book sales people who then get fsm commissions on money
that fsm commissions probably was paid out to someone else for anyway. (the
fsm for the advanced payment.) I also wonder if that would also give a
false statistic for advanced payments used. If not, then how would it impact
that statistic if the AP/APU money got diverted to the book account? Was
there ever a big push from up lines for or against this practice?
I understand finance missions once were clamping down hard on this exact
type of operation. There must be policy on this, what is it?
Best Regards = Nelson
The Chief Instigator
So, I facilitated a crime at the Co$ Houston mission back when pickets there
were a regular occurrence...I got the paperback version of Dianetics from
"Tom Wright" for free, and I've still got the evidence. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 1, Hartford 0 (March 7)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, March 9 vs. Rochester, 7:05
The Dark Lord
True most organisations would not dream of giving away their products.
That's what any profit driven company thinks. Sony won't give away
PS3s. Hasbro won't give away free Transformers. And of course
Scientology Inc won't give away its products. However they need to
make up their mind, are they a church, or a company.
Roger Larsson
wrote:
In the late 80's it was of the highest alert to get 750 OT sevens up
on the bridge for mankinds survival millions and trillions years to
come.
If it was of that importance it could have been done out of money's
involvement.
It was more important to the church of scientology to get in the money
than to save the mankind for the next millions of trillions years to
come.
Roger Larsson
Nelson
"capricious" <poke...@beer.com> wrote in message
news:c03af6f2-d7a3-4bd1...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 8, 10:35 pm, "Nelson" <nhenders...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> "Tom Newton" <t...@server.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> news:slrnft6gd...@treeoflife.3v8l2x.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 2008-03-09, chuckbeatty77 @aol.com <chuckbeatt...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> 16 Dec 65, page 239, green volume 4 (1991 edition)
>>
>> >> Hubbard stated:
>>
>> >>
Teflon skull? There is an upgrade?
By the way, the out of context quotes made make LRH look bad were:
"No service or sale of any kind may be given by an part of an org
without invoicing or registration.
"To deliver service or goods to a person who has not been invoiced or
registered to receive that specific item constitutes a crime and must
be handled as such."
It is presented as if there is something wrong with the policy. It is being
held up to ridicule.
If you look at the subject line you will see the policy being ridiculed. As
in:
"Re: ......it's a crime to give away Scientology for "free" "
Anyway, nice try at damage control for your pal. But yes, out of context
posts do not have all the data and leave out qualifying statements and
general understandings are missing,. It is an old black PR ploy from time
immemorial so don't play coy about it. Even one full policy letter is
often not enough when taken by itself in isolation from the other policy
letters of the same subject. The anti scientologists here attempt to
present scientology in as bad a light as possible and do so deliberately
without regard to the actual truth. They rely on ignorance in the reader and
gullibility to trap people's think though trickery and deceptions.
Nelson
Nelson
"chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5979ed8e-0e66-44b4...@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Thanks I needed that information. But what is your point Chuck? It's just
LRH talking on how to undo the anti scientology strategy of mislabelling us
as a cult. Something you creeps do with a vengeance. Get over it, far is
fair, you anti-scientology asshole. Bullies are the worst sissies when
someone stands up to them and give them a taste of their own medicine.
Nelson
capricious
"lookie here even L. Ron knows he is running a corporation and not a
religion.."
Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
Roger Larsson
A correction:
750 idiOT 7's should save mankind for the next millions and billion
years.
Roger Larsson
Eldon
wrote:
Of course they are. At one time, there was a "charity" status of some
sort. I think that was in the early Saint Hill days. You know the
Brits are soft-hearted that way, so I suspect it was for PR purposes,
and nobody actually qualified.
>
> There are dozens and dozens of credible former members posting on all
> the chat sites, quoting Hubbard, and telling their firsthand stories.
Of course there are, and dozens more to come. That's why "Tom" is here
to whine and cavil. ;-)
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com> wrote in message
Lorne Dawson, in his "Comprehending Cults" puts Scientology, Hare
Krishna and the Moonies in the "established cult" category, in his
1998 Oxforud University Presss book.
From "Comprehending Cults",LorneL.Dawson, Oxford Univ Press, 1998,
p31-32.
"...most of the cults studied in any depth during the recent
controversy about NRMs [New Religious Movements] are actually
atypical. Scienotlogy, Krishna Consciousness, and the Unification
Church, for example, are relatively long-lived and relatively large.
Accordingly, many of their features are rather sect-like. They are
more highly organized and are more ideologically and practically
sophisticated in their relations with the larger world. And except
in
the case of the Unificiation Church, they have managed to survive the
death of their charismatic leader. Originally, though, each of these
groups displayed markedly the traits of a cult. Moreover, they
continue to display many cult-like attitutdes and practices, such as
the emphasis on esoteric teachings and the satisfaction of individual
needs. Perhaps, then, yet another category should be added to the
church-sect typology, that of 'established cult'."
LRH presumes his "tech" is flawless, and only parishioners and staff
are faulty.
If a person does NOT agree with LRH, and thinks this or that tenet of
Scientology is wrong, and if a staff or public is critical of this or
that rule, what then?
Scientology/Hubbard rules root out disaffection, penalize contact with
"disaffected" members, and give the dissaffected members only the
options of ethics conditions, false data stripping, confessionals to
find their transgressions, word clearing, etc, etc, all to get the
person back in line with LRH's views.
What if LRH's views, are wrong!
I think the OSA bureaucracy is wrong.
It is an intell organization, and propagandizing one's "enemies" is
wrong.
What if LRH's ideas and "tech" is wrong?
LRH never entertained that his "tech" might be faulty, and that his
opinions might be faulty.
LRH wrote into policy and "tech" the procedures that make Scientology
the cult that it is.
There effects of disconnection are Scientology's problem. NOT the ex
members who are declared SP and disconnected from.
Disconnection is even harsher than current Catholic excommunication.
There are no scholars and no intellectuals on the Scientology
bandwagon, and the reason is LRH's bad ideas protected by LRH's
totalitarian ethics system.
Hubbard is the source of Scientology's problems.
Scientology has the challenge of how to reform away from Hubbard's
worst totalitarian dogma that Scientologists are stuck defending.
I quoted the Hubbard policies which are the problamatic ones, that are
out of step with what the public at large considers "religious."
My suggestions:
a) International amnesty, undeclare ALL past SP declares
b) No future SP declares
c) Refund in FULL (using Sea Org reserves) all monies anyone paid for
services who want it back, period.
d) Repost most of OSA, and stop running the intelligence/covert
operations against the "enemies" and against psychiatry/psychology
e) Dethrown David Miscavige, or somehow tame him, so he stops his
brutal ethics gradients of demeaning and slapping top staff at Gilman
Hot Springs (listen to Jeff Hawkins, and if you want to meet Jeff,
I'll gladly introduce you if Jeff agrees:
http://www.lermanet.com/audio/jeffhawkins.mp3 )
f) Get WDC and Exec Strata posted up again, get the "Eval Corps"
manned up, and get the major problems Scientology faces in society,
evaluated and policy revised or suggested to deal with the chronic
problamatic LRH dogma/policy that needs to be changed! WDC and Exec
Strata need to be manned and doing their jobs and get Miscavige OFF
the top position in the movement, he's ground up and spit out every
single other leader at the top of the heap in the movement, in the
past 25 years. Miscavige needs taming or get rid of him!
Chuck Beatty
412-260-1170
Pittsburgh, USA
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
LRH in Keeping Scientology even blames Scientologists for attacks from
governments.
Hubbard just would NOT entertain the thought that his ideas might be
faulty.
He's left a system that protects his faulty ideas, and penalizes
members who openly disagree or try to change the faults in his system.
I think their only way out, is get Miscavige tamed, or ousted and get
their WDC and Exec Strata confronting the bigger Hubbard policy built
in problems, and fix those things.
Two or three major changes could win Scientology notice that it is
reforming itself.
Sticking like kamikaze pilots to Hubbard's disgraceful policy counter
attack stuff and sticking to the family breaking SP declaring and
disconnection policies only continues the hatred and debris
Scientology causes for itself.
Hubbard's blueprint ideas need some fixup. Miscavige is 100%
considered the "SP" of top ranks Scientology by former Gilman Hot
Springs staff!
But even with David Miscavige tamed or gone, Scientology will have to
fix the bad Hubbard policy they are stuck with.
Chuck Beatty
Funky Donny
<Ultra respectful snip>
>There are no scholars and no intellectuals on the Scientology
>bandwagon, and the reason is LRH's bad ideas protected by LRH's
>totalitarian ethics system.
That's a massively important point. This inconvenient reality deserves
its own thread.
Nelson
All religions are corporations which is to say they are incorporated as
religious institutions. And they are also financial institutions since that
is where at least 10% of the gross income of their flock goes every week.
The fact is Scientology has passed the worst this world could offer it and
it survived the suppression and won its right to stand along with any other
religion as a tax except organisation in its country of origin. Its only a
matter of time before the rest of the hold outs follow.
Nelson
