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El Ron Crozo

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Nov 23, 2006, 6:50:08 PM11/23/06
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There's a piece on Scientology marriage on CNN Headline News. I
literally just saw a Scientology minister named Jeff Quiros
interviewed. Could this be related some how to "Quiros Pete" on ARS?

Duty Now,
Tom C.

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Jimmy Cricket

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Scientology "minister" Jeff Quiros:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/jeff-quiros.html

http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-10-05/news/feature.html
(scroll down to the bottom of the article)

"For the record, a Scientology official denies that the church had
anything to do with the Friends of San Anselmo project. "I don't want
to puncture his paranoia balloon, but the poor guy has lots of enemies,
any number of whom could have put up that Web site," says Jeff Quiros,
head of the Church of Scientology's San Francisco office. In the course
of a brief interview, Quiros referred to Greene as a "mosquito," a
"pig," and a "pathetic individual." He insisted that he wasn't aware of
the Web site until a reporter brought it to his attention."

http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/jeffreyquiros.htm
(scroll down)

In my presence, Scientology's Director of Special Affairs (DSA) of
the Office
of Special Affairs (OSA) for San Francisco, Church of Scientology
who is Jeff Quiros, stated the following:

"Under oath doesn't mean shit."

Arnie: Did he say this often?

Mr. Gorman: He said this at least ten times.

Arnie: what else did he say?

Mr. Gorman: Jeff Quiros said that "The court system is just a bunch
of WOGs
and they are suppressive and that the US government is suppressive"


"The police dept., the FBI and the court system are all suppressive,
they are
all a bunch of morons and they are down stats and can't get real
jobs.
The court system is designed to take any bad down stat (bad person)
so they can torpedo an up stat (good person) and bring them down.
The Police are a bunch of crooks and especially the FBI. The FBI is
the number one terrorist group in the United States"

...Jeff Quiros also told me; "You can do anything to an SP and not
get into
trouble for it" "A suppressive group is made up of a bunch of
SP's." He said
"Get little kids around the neighborhood to pop the lady's tires,
ruin her plants and break some windows in her house, give them candy
for doing
these deeds."


http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_QUIROS_JEFF_

Scientology: The Greatest Good For The Greatest Number Of SCIENTOLOGY'S
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El Ron Crozo

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Wow...fuck Quiro. In the ass.

Tom C.

Lermanet.com

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On 23 Nov 2006 15:50:08 -0800, "El Ron Crozo" <imwiths...@msn.com>
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its THIS jeff quiros
http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/jeffreyquiros.htm

lermanet.com Exposing the CON
Interview of Ex-Scientologist of Tom Gorman
By Arnie Lerma
16 September 2005


Arnie: What was your job called at Scientology in San Francisco?

Gorman: I was an OSA Volunteer

Arnie: What sorts of things would you be called upon to do?

Gorman: To confront and deal with Sps, to handle Sps.

Arnie: When did you do this?

Gorman: 1990 through the beginning of 2000

Arnie: Were there any specific names you called upon to deal with?

Gorman: Kristi Wachter who runs Scientology-lies.com in San Francisco
and Peaches Pook in Oakland California.

Arnie: Describe what you did to handle Kristi Wachter

Gorman: I went to her home, to pass out flyers and give them to all
her
neighbors, so when she came home and came outside she would see her
face
everywhere saying she was a bigot. When I would see a crowd of people
nearby,
I would say things like: “you are psychotic”, “You came out of an
institution”, “you like to fuck little cats”, “See you later Psycho”
to get her
angry, so she would look crazy to others. “I know you don’t like men”

Arnie: Describe what you did to handle Peaches

I would talk in a very smart ass voice, tell her she was ugly and old,
tell me
your crimes peaches, I said: “You are psychotic” “you are crazy” “no
one
cares about you” “the world would be better without you on it” “You
are
a bitch” “You are a bigot” “I’m never going to leave until you stop
picketing my church” “I’m going to let all your neighbors know what a
psychopath you are”

Arnie: Who told you to do and say these things and
what did they direct you to say and do?
v In my presence, Scientology’s Director of Special Affairs (DSA) of


the Office
of Special Affairs (OSA) for San Francisco, Church of Scientology
who is Jeff Quiros, stated the following:

“Under oath doesn’t mean shit.”

Arnie: Did he say this often?

Mr. Gorman: He said this at least ten times.

Arnie: what else did he say?

Mr. Gorman: Jeff Quiros said that “The court system is just a bunch of
WOGs
and they are suppressive and that the US government is suppressive”

“The police dept., the FBI and the court system are all suppressive,
they are
all a bunch of morons and they are down stats and can’t get real jobs.
The court system is designed to take any bad down stat (bad person)
so they can torpedo an up stat (good person) and bring them down.
The Police are a bunch of crooks and especially the FBI. The FBI is

the number one terrorist group in the United States”

And then he showed me a written green on white policy by Hubbard
that stated this.

Arnie: Did he direct the picketing?

He directed our conduct, yet stressed this: “You cannot tell them I
had any
involvement, I did not tell you to do any of this, and you don’t even
know me”
He would remind me of this EVERY time we would picket Kristi or
Peaches. Jeff Quiros said, “I could get sued for this. The church
would get
in a lot of trouble and it would be all your fault”

Arnie: What did he tell you to do or say??

Mr. Gorman: To whisper very mean things into the ear of the person I
was
picketing whenever there were a group of people coming so that she
would react
badly in front of the people and look like a psycho-path. He told me
to say specifically, “Kristi, you like to fuck little cats” “you
practice bestiality” and then we both started laughing.. and to call
her
“psycho”, because we knew this would get her upset.

Jeff Quiros also told me; “You can do anything to an SP and not get
into
trouble for it” “A suppressive group is made up of a bunch of SP’s.”
He said
“Get little kids around the neighborhood to pop the lady’s tires,
ruin her plants and break some windows in her house, give them candy
for doing

these deeds.”

He said: “When the police finally arrive from the picketing, make them
believe
that we are completely normal people and the people we are
picketing are psychotic and paranoid. Be friendly with the police and
become
their friends, and make them like you.

Arnie: What effect did your efforts have upon the police?

Mr. Gorman: Based on Jeff Quiros instruction to me, I was not just
friendly
with the police, but I became their friends. I would tell the police
that
Kristi was a psycho, tell them that she pickets our church…

After a while, the police stopped responding to Kristi and Peach’s
telephone
calls, when Scientology would harass her at home. But Peaches
would call the police every time, after a while the police stopped
coming.

Jeff Quiros said: “After 6 times the police come to that location in
one week,
the police will stop coming because they will believe the person
calling them is psychotic and paranoid. He told me if it ever comes to
a time
when we all have to go to court, not to worry about it because the
Scientology lawyers are great and they will tell us how to act and
behave and
to just do exactly what they say. Lying under Oath is a normal thing
for Scientologists because it’s the greatest good for the greatest
number of dynamics, and we are doing nothing wrong by changing the
story since they are suppressive (bad) people and Scientologists are
here to save the planet from those people. Then he said “SP’s and
suppressive groups hate all organizations that fix peoples lives and
help
people, and they want to ruin those people and organizations utterly.
Scientology is the only organization that does this on the planet”

Mr. Gorman: We became their ‘friends’; they started to believe that
she was
‘crazy’
Arnie: Did the police continue to respond?

Mr. Gorman: After they came to Peaches Pook’s home about ten times the
police stopped coming…

Arnie: So, would it be fair to say, that this is the one part of
scientology
that really works?

Mr. Gorman: Yes, it is the only part. He was making fun of Judges in
general
saying they look like Penguins and how they think they are all
mighty and great. He said Judges do their jobs as well as nuns do, and
he began
to laugh, the joke was, he said that there is no God and so those
people serving God don’t do anything anyway.

It was common knowledge that SP’s (Suppressive persons, enemies of
scientology)
are subject to being tricked, lied to, sued, or destroyed –
they have no regard for people outside of Scientology and they believe
they can do anything they want to SP’s and not get punished for it
because they believe that Scientologists are above the law.

Arnie: Did you do these techniques to anyone else besides Kristi and
Peaches?

Mr. Gorman: Yes, a psychiatrist at a hospital in San Francisco, near
Funston
Street.

Arnie: What was his name?

Mr. Gorman: I never knew his name.

Arnie: How did you know whom to picket?

A; I was shown a picture. Often of two or three different targets, if
we would
see one of them we would picket them and pass out flyers about how
horrible psychiatry is
Arnie: Whom else did Jeff Quiros mention?

Mr. Gorman: Arnie Lerma – the Internet freak that posted the OT levels
on the
net. He told me that Arnie and a couple others’s dressed up in Sea org
member suits and showed a fake order tricking them into giving you the
documents.

Arnie: How often would he talk about me?

Mr. Gorman: perhaps ten times, often, I knew your name very well, what
else
would say about me? He said, “You are psychotic, that you are a
criminal, an
SP, and sent down to destroy scientology by the psychiatrists.

Arnie: Are there any other enemies of scientology he would mention by
name?
A: Bob Minton

Arnie: What did he say about Bob?

Mr. Gorman: That he was money motivated made up a fabricated story
about a girl
dying which is completely untrue and is trying to get money out of
scientology.

Arnie: continue

Mr. Gorman: Gerry Armstrong – Gerry is a pathological liar, one of the
biggest
SPs around who is trying to destroy scientology. Then he would
blabber on about mankind trying to get me all pumped up

Arnie: Any other names mentioned that you recall?

Mr. Gorman: Ford Greene, Jeff said Ford Greene is one of the only
attorneys
willing to take on Scientology but he will be taken care of soon.

Arnie: Thank you – The end.


9:49 PM Friday September 16th 2005, at the
Office of lermanet.com
Exposing the CON
6045 N 26th Road Arlington VA 22207

I hereby swear under penalty of perjury of the laws of The
Commonwealth of
Virginia, that the forgoing statement is true.

Signed: _____________________ Tom Gorman

Witness:______________________Arnaldo Lerma

Notary_______________________________
_________________
lermanet.com Exposing the CON

errata: I believe references to peaches pook should read 'realpeach'

His girlfriend was raped by one of the "executives" at Scientology
near San Francisco - Mountainview California

The civil case was settled, the only "gag' is the amount of cash
that Scientology paid the girl to drop the criminal charges.

That's what 'woke' him up.

Tom was a 2nd generation Scientologist. He has deprogrammed
his entire family. They are now proud members of the human race.

His story is HERE

A picture of tom gorman on kirsti Wachters website

He is the blond guy handing out flyers on the left

http://www.scientology-lies.com/photos/990429/photos/990429-1600.jpg
_________________


San Francisco Police Report 030769038

Incident narrative report page 3 of 3


R-1 Gorman and R-4 Gorman Jr came to co. 1 and told me that last night
they were celebrating gotrman jr's and his sister's birthday. Gorman
said that at about 10:30 last night, he received a call on his cell
phone. Gorman answered the call. The caller was a man with a deep
voice,
the caller asked "Tom"?

Gorman said "yes"

The man then said, "S.P.s (supressive person) don't live long!

Gorman said "What?"! Who is the SP?!

The man said: "Your son and his wife Jennifer will be dead soon"

Excerpt from San Francisco Police Report #031403528:

"On 11/26/03 at 730 hours he was traveling in his car. CA Plate
2XPJ851,
a 1991 Lexus ES250, driven by his wife J. Gorman, down Park Presidio
near
MacArthur Tunnel when the car suddeenlt became difficult toc ontrol.
They pulled over and called for assistance. The Gorman's had their
car
towed to the J&R Automotive shop for a repair. Today, the first full
working day after the Thanksgiving holiday, their mechanic, (R/w)
Vaknin,
notified them that their car was missing all six bolts connecting
the left
axel to the transmission. Vanknin said this was highly unusual
situation.....

....Vankin said the six bolts that were missing were probobly
removed purposely.

---------------------------------------


Commentary,

Scientology is protecting the perpetrator of the rape of

Gorman's new wife, which he did when she was 16..

He was considered an UPSTAT by Scientology.

coming soon to a newstand near you
_________________
lermanet.com Exposing the CON
Judge Brinkema 29 Nov 1995

"the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation of RTC
[$cientology]
in suing Lerma, DGS and The Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology
in
general and to harass its critics."

Now, does anyone want to HELP?
goto http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/

and start transcribing the police reports...

Post them here, and I'll web them, perhaps with a credit to you if you
desire.
_________________
lermanet.com Exposing the CON
Judge Brinkema 29 Nov 1995

"the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation of RTC
[$cientology]
in suing Lerma, DGS and The Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology
in
general and to harass its critics."


Jimmy Cricket

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more information on Jeff Quiros, the Scientology "minister" who
believes: "The FBI is the number one terrorist group in the United
States"

http://cbs5.com/entertainment/local_story_321182909.html
...Jeff Quiros is regarded as the foremost expert on Scientology
weddings, having performed countless ceremonies himself...

and a CNN transcript which you might find interesting:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/17/pzn.01.html

ZAHN: And welcome back. More now on tonight's top story in
entertainment.

In just a few hours in Italy, we're told Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes
are expected to take their vows, unless they're trying to fool us --
but it may not be the traditional ceremony that most of us are used to
seeing. Instead, they'll probably tie the knot Scientology style. But
what exactly does that mean? Entertainment correspondent Brooke
Anderson takes us inside a Scientology wedding.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BROOKE ANDERSON, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):
Newlyweds Nick and Erin Banks tied the knot just two and a half months
ago.

ERIN BANKS: That was one of my bridesmaids.

NICK BANKS: And I was definitely feeling nervous.

ANDERSON: Flowers, bridesmaids, a walk down the aisle.

E. BANKS: (inaudible) and it was amazing.

ANDERSON: In many ways, it was a typical ceremony, with one significant
difference. Theirs was a Scientology wedding.

E. BANKS: It's those fundamentals of Scientology that are put in
throughout the ceremony. You know, you don't go to sleep on an upset.
And that's something that you agree to in the ceremony.

ANDERSON: With all the curiosity over Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes
wedding, Scientologists like Nick and Erin are having to answer a lot
of questions about what it's like to get married in their faith.

E. BANKS: There's a part where the minister asks us, would I take Nick
for all his sterling qualities as well as his faults.

ANDERSON: This couple, like Tom and Katie, can choose from five
different ceremonies, as noted in Scientology fonder L. Ron Hubbard's
"Book of Ceremonies and Sermons." Traditional, informal, single-ring,
double-ring and concise double-ring, each with its own distinct vows.

In the traditional ceremony, the minister tells the groom, "girls need
clothes and food and tender happiness and frills -- a pan, a comb,
perhaps a cat. All caprice if you will, but still they need them." And
the minister tells the bride, "hear well, for promise binds. Young men
are free and may forget. Remind him then that you may have necessities
and follies too."

KAREN PRESSLEY, FORMER SCIENTOLOGIST: It's kind of the frivolous side
of L. Ron Hubbard. It's quite ludicrous.

ANDERSON: Karen Pressley, an ex-Scientologist who now embraces
Christianity, says she's attended a handful of Scientology weddings.

PRESSLEY: They're nothing like a Christian, a traditional wedding
ceremony. There's no mention of God in a Scientology wedding.
Scientology bases a marriage on a concept called the ARC Triangle.

JEFF QUIROS, SCIENTOLOGY MINISTER: The minister holds the rings up to
the -- to the audience and asks that the bride and groom imagine an
ARC, affinity-reality-communication triangle inside the center of each
one of those rings.

ANDERSON: Scientology Minister Jeff Quiros has officiated countless
weddings. He says it's possible to incorporate other religious
traditions into the ceremony, but Pressley maintains Scientology's
techniques for freeing a person's soul don't mix well with other
beliefs.

PRESSLEY: Tom Cruise specifically is very bold about saying that a
Christian can be a Scientologist at the same time, and that to me is an
oxymoron.

ANDERSON: Nick and Erin Banks say Scientologists and non-
Scientologists raved about their ,wedding and they wish Tom and Katie
all the best.

E. BANKS: They look like such a wonderful couple, and I think their
wedding is going to be amazing, I'm sure.

N. BANKS: It is going to be a beautiful wedding.

ANDERSON: Brooke Anderson, CNN, Hollywood.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ZAHN: And right now, we're going to get our top story panel's take on
what this all means, all the Hollywood style.

Reverend Joe Watkins back, Rachel Maddow, Georgette Mosbacher.

Reverend, the last time you conducted a wedding ceremony...

WATKINS: Not too long ago.

ZAHN: ... did you make reference to a cat, a comb and a pan?

WATKINS: No, no, I didn't.

ZAHN: Do you understand what...

WATKINS: I don't agree with Tom Cruise when he says that you can be a
Christian and a Scientologist. You know, you can only follow one
master. You can't follow two masters. And either you follow Jesus or
you follow L. Ron Hubbard.

I choose to follow Jesus. And the ceremonies that I do, of course, are
Christ-centered ceremonies, where -- and hopefully the people love each
other.

In this wedding, what I'm hoping is that Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes
love each other more than anything else, they love each other and they
pledge themselves to each other.

ZAHN: Are you surprised, Rachel, that people care about this as much as
they do? I mean, after all, this is a guy that was dumped by a studio
he was associated with for a very long time, because it was felt that
he had alienated women with his antics as of late, not the least of
which was proclaiming his love for his newfound -- soon to be found
wife on a sofa.

MADDOW: While jumping up and down on a sofa. I mean, it's true, if
Katie Holmes had not become engaged to Tom Cruise, we'd all still be
Wikipediaing her, looking her up, trying to figure out exactly why do I
know her, what was she in, is she famous? They're not actually that big
a deal on their own, but the pageantry around this -- we don't have
royals as Americans, and so we have sports stars and movie stars. And
those who choose to tap into our obsession with celebrity the way these
guys have, can make -- you know, this will make their whole careers.

ZAHN: Are you feeling blissful about this one, Georgette? You know a
thing or two about getting married, don't you?

MOSBACHER: I'll tell you what, Paula, I'll jump on a sofa for Tom
Cruise. I mean, excuse me. This is a fairy tale kind of thing. It's
tabloid. I mean, we have got a castle, we've got a beautiful woman,
we've got a movie star, we've got a baby. Yes, it's the kind of thing
that great for a diversion like this from the really important things
in life. I mean, this is just one of those, you know, why people read
romance novels.

ZAHN: Do you think people are partly drawn to this, besides the fantasy
and the majesty or whatever it is we're going to see play out, that
they just think he's one really odd guy?

MADDOW: I think that Tom Cruise does come across as a little -- and
that's part of the fascination. He comes across as a little kooky.

ZAHN: Not to Georgette.

(CROSSTALK)

MOSBACHER: He comes across as a gorgeous hunk of a movie star.

MADDOW: You know that you would dwarf him, right? I mean, you would
tower over him. Does that weird you out at all?

MOSBACHER: No.

MADDOW: No, that's no problem?

MOSBACHER: No, he's still cute. He's -- and "Top Gun," oh, let me see
that movie again.

ZAHN: (inaudible) "Top Gun" windows like they had displayed in Rome
this week. But a closing thought, and the fascination with Scientology
and all kind of assumptions that people launch to about how -- I don't
want to say it disparagingly. Do you think people misunderstand it?

WATKINS: I think so. I think a lot of people may misunderstand the
faith. I've had a chance to read about comparative religions. I know a
little bit about different faiths.

I choose the faith that I follow because I believe that that's the
answer, but the good thing is that Tom Cruise is sincere, I think,
about his faith more than anything else, and the fact that he wants to
make sure that the wedding is done in concert with the faith I think is
a good thing. People ought to do that who are Christians and Jews and
Muslims and everything else.

ZAHN: All right, what are the chances this is one giant ruse and he's
getting married in Cleveland tomorrow? I don't know. He could be
fooling us.

WATKINS: Well, we weren't invited. None of us were invited.

ZAHN: Exactly.

MADDOW: That's actually where I need to get to right now.

(CROSSTALK)

ZAHN: Reverend Joe Watkins, Rachel Maddow, Georgette Mosbacher. Glad to
have all of you with us tonight.

Skipper

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Jimmy Cricket wrote:
> more information on Jeff Quiros, the Scientology "minister" who
> believes: "The FBI is the number one terrorist group in the United
> States"
>
> http://cbs5.com/entertainment/local_story_321182909.html
> ..Jeff Quiros is regarded as the foremost expert on Scientology
> weddings, having performed countless ceremonies himself...

Scientology minister = one week course*

* if you're really slow.

--
Ron of that ilk.


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> Wow...fuck Quiro. In the ass.

With his own head. Sideways.

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