Celebrities who have left Scientology
Skipper
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b136515_Have_Any_Celebs_Ever_Actually_Le
ft_Scientology_.html
- and knowing that gossip reporters are usually inept, I thought I'd
throw in some more names of celebrities who left the cult so they can
be all smart and Google and find this and act like they figured it out
all on their own (like the jerks at Star who used to publish all the
stuff I told Mark Ebner, never getting dime one from anyone).
Just off the top of my head, these people left -
Lou Rawls (did the first course)
Christopher Reeve (that's a good story)
Airto and Flora Purim (big Latin jazz stars that Chick Corea got in)
Al Jarreau
Stephen Boyd ("Ben Hur")
Chuck Lorre (biggest sitcom producer today)
Burton Cummings of "The Guess Who"
Larry Evoy of "Edward Bear"
Catherine Bach ("Dukes of Hazzard")
Anne Francis ("Honey West")
William S. Burroughs
Ernest Lehman (pretty sure Ernie was disconnected by the time he died)
Sonny Bono
There's plenty more but that's a start. Maybe some others would like to
chime in.
Eldon
What about the silent dropouts? I don't see Karen Black talking about
Scientology lately, and I don't think either Priscilla or Lisa Marie
Presley has said anything to defend the cult against the attacks by
Paul Haggis and the evil French government. For that matter, where are
Travolta and Cruise?
Where are all those loyal celebrity Scientologists who should be ready
and wiling to denounce this raving SP? They need to formally
disconnect from him and anybody who dares to associate with him! Let's
see some press releases!
And what about Tommy's mommy? Oh, eeeeek! She just discovered a bunny
in the stock pot!
Felix Blacker
>There's plenty more but that's a start. Maybe
> some others would like to chime in.
Skipper
Blacker <FelixB...@webtv.net> wrote:
Right on John. I don't think Gordon was in; he had a fling I believe
with a $cientologist singer from northern California. He might've done
a course or something in Canada, though.
Oh, just thought of some more. The Grateful Dead did the communications
course at the short-lived San Francisco Celebrity Centre, which was run
by Bob Mithoff, Ray's brother.
The late Fred Travalena, long-time Vegas headliner, was also involved
in the 70s, got in at Vegas Celebrity Centre.
Hartley Patterson
>
> Normally, I type $cientology to be accurate, but after reading this -
>
> http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b136515_Have_Any_Celebs_Ever_Actually_Le
> ft_Scientology_.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhma2yf
> There's plenty more but that's a start. Maybe some others would like to
> chime in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists
in part derived from Tilman's list:
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt
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They tried to rope in Elvis, but he got wise immediately. I read that he
left saying something like "All they want is my money."
Gregory Hall
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Some celebrities! I've never heard of most of these losers. Bach, Reeves,
Bono and Rawls are the only ones who would even come close to celebrity
status, IMO.
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Gregory Hall
Skipper
Patterson <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> skipSP...@yahoo.not says:
> >
> > Normally, I type $cientology to be accurate, but after reading this -
> >
> > http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b136515_Have_Any_Celebs_Ever_Actually_Le
> > ft_Scientology_.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yhma2yf
>
> > There's plenty more but that's a start. Maybe some others would like to
> > chime in.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists
>
> in part derived from Tilman's list:
>
> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt
>
Tillman is in fucking Germany. I've been around these people for 30
years off and on and I live here. Some of his stuff is messed up and
I've told him about it. I know Linda Blair and have worked with her -
she was NEVER involved. That's just one example. I don't know if he
ever updates the thing, and when I've tried to tell him in the past
some of it was messed up, he petulantly wanted me to prove it to him or
something.
But it's good to look at that list because a lot of people he's got as
being in, left a long time ago.
cultxpt
Diana Canova. And she spoke out publicly. I swoon...
Skipper
<frees...@4ever.net> wrote:
There was the Sunset mission which wasn't very far from where Elvis
lived in L.A. So Elvis stops in there one day and has the guy who owns
the mission explain the whole Bridge to him. (Elvis studied religions,
no, seriously he did.) So he says he'll think it over. Then there's two
stories. One is that he walked out to the car and told Red and that
other guy who he hung out with, forget his name, "Fuck these people,
they just want my money." The other story is that he paid for the whole
thing - Priscilla swore he did. (I used to answer her Elvis mail after
he was gone.) I'm forgetting the name of the guy who owned the Sunset
mission, but that guy's wife Judy was briefly my literary manager in
the early 80s and she said Elvis paid for something and I think had an
auditing demonstration. So who knows.
Skipper
<3fd2bc17-b7e4-4709...@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
cultxpt <cul...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, Diana had a mouth on her, married to Geoff Levin at the time.
Looking over Tillman's list of celebrities I found many more out (he
doesn't always say there are/were) so here's some info -
Linda Blair - The movie "Deep Sleep" was written by Michael Rymer. I
gave him all the material, came from CCHR, I didn't want to write it,
Michael was from Australia, where the story took place. If Linda was
"in" she might've done some small something to find out what
$cientology was about but she told me she thought it was totally full
of shit (her exact words).
Richard Kiel - Got involved when CC was on 8th Street mid 70s. He was
told his wife was an SP and he said fuck you, $cientology
John Brodie - All-Pro quarterback was indeed introed to it by Phil
Spickler, Mimi Rogers father, left not long before Elwrong cacked
Raven de la Croix - out a long time, heard from her last year
Ron Ely who played Tarzan was NEVER in - he came to Celebrity Centre on
La Brea and bought a used truck from Ron Santasierro, a Class 8 auditor
who was the Class 4 supervisor and would buy cars and fix them up and
sell them. I met Ron the day he bought it.
Quincy Jones was married to Peggy Lipton, whose brother Kenny was Qual
Sec at Celebrity Centre. I doubt Quincy ever did much at all. He said
Peggy was OT3 but I don't think so.
Milton Katselas is DEAD
Ernie Lehman is DEAD
Shirley Maclaine sneered at $cientology. Her long-time choreographer,
Alan Johnson, repeatedly tried to get her involved but she always told
him it was bullshit.
Melanie Shyerkyrk (singer) was indeed in, performed at numerous
$cientology events including in Portland (I met her there, nice lady,
glad she walked)
Deborah Rennard (Paul Haggis wife) is obviously out
Jerry Seinfeld did stuff in NY and studied improv comedy with Tamara
Wilcox-Smith and the group Interplay but got out a long time ago
Wings Hauser (actor, father of Cole Hauser whose mother is Cass Warner)
got out in the mid-80s soon as he got famous.
Joan Prather (actress) got a divorce from auditor James Fiducia and
went back to Christian Science (she was raised in it)
Leif Garrett briefly involved in mid-80s
Carlos Palomino [jock = not very famous athlete] - right, only champion
of the world in his weight class (I wrote a bio for him, client of
Spanky Taylor)
Also Irish musician Van Morrison dedicated his 1983 album "Inarticu-
late speech of the heart" to L. Ron Hubbard. It has been claimed
that at one point, he was involved with scientology to the point
where he was serving as an "auditor". Van denies this, and has
said that he did some courses, then dropped out.
[Atack: VM was associated with scientology for a short while]
Nicky Hopkins got Van involved and played a concert in San Francisco
with Van that was only filled with $cientologists. I think Nicky said
Van got auditing through Grade IV. But after that Van decided it was
bullshit and said so without mentioning it by name in song -
'No Guru, No Method, No Teacher' - Nicky was my roommate for a while in
the early 1980s when this was going on.
John Dalmas - see www.johndalmas.com - was in the Sea Org, worked with
Diana Hubbard, very well-respected in the science-fiction community
rather than the "moderately successful" Tillman mentions.
Actor and acting teacher Tamara Wilcox-Smith is DEAD.
Spanky Taylor has been out a LONG time.
Peter Medak is out, did Lifespring after $cientology.
Total bullshit - "Rock Hudson was in for a while, brought in by Flo
Allen, the big Hollywood agent and left Scientology before he died."
Rock came into Celebrity Centre on 8th Street one day, had a session
with Carmine Terra, who picked up a withhold on homosexuality. Rock got
up, walked out the door, never came back. I saw him come and go and
later was roommates with Carmine.
More goofiness - "Waldo Salt, Jack Skimmer's son in law" - Waldo Salt
was a famous screenwriter, never in. Jack SKINNER was married to
Jennifer Salt, Waldo's daughter. Jack was in, friends with Bobby Lyons
and Geoff Lewis.
Michael Lembeck, actor / director - out a long time, was in EST before
$cientology, brother of Helaine Lembeck, also in briefly, John Travolta
got her in. Their father Harvey Lembeck was the #1 comedy acting
teacher in Hollywood.
More erroneous - "- Kit Carson, a somewhat famous motorcycle racer is
still in." - that would be writer/fillmmaker Kit Carson who was married
to Karen Black and the father of Hunter Carson, her son.
"- Cindy Hall, sister of Jerry Hall, the girlfriend of Mick Jagger" -
it's Cyndy Hall and I think she's out. Jerry was married to Mick, never
in.
"- Marian Wagner, ex-wife of Robert Wagner
- Peter Dohnen, son of Robert Wagner"
Marian's best friend was Flo Allen, who managed Rock Hudson. I used to
serve them both at the snack bar at CC on 8th Street. Before being
married to Robert, Marian was married to Stanley Donen the director.
Peter was in but died a few years ago, had been out for years.
"- Anne Francis, actress, was in Scientology for quite awhile and
did a lot for them, and then she snuck out the back door."
Anne was a good friend of Yvonne Jentzsch when CC was on 8th Street.
Then Diana Hubbard comes to town one day, being the head of the Public
Division 6, did a lecture to some celebrities and said the purpose of
Div. 6 was "to capture and control the public" (that's what that idiot
Elwrong actually wrote). Anne took off and never came back. She was
into metaphysics, anyway.
Hope that clears some of the errors on that page up.
Everything I've written unless otherwise noted is from personal
experience with all those people.
- Michael Lembeck, actor / director
Android Cat
> skipSP...@yahoo.not says:
>>
>> Normally, I type $cientology to be accurate, but after reading this -
>>
>> http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b136515_Have_Any_Celebs_Ever_Actually_Le
>> ft_Scientology_.html
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yhma2yf
>
>> There's plenty more but that's a start. Maybe some others would like
>> to chime in.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists
>
> in part derived from Tilman's list:
>
> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt
Not directly. A few years ago, we did a scrub of all people who didn't have
a reference, and lists like Tilman's weren't considered reliable sources in
Wikipedia terms. (Not that it's *un*reliable, just different standards.)
One problem I noticed was the tendancy of names to cycle through the various
lists, citing each other, without a real source. (There were other tricky
references that had to go, like Celebrity Centre pages. After all, if a CoS
page and no where else claims them as a Scientologist, are they (a) really a
Scientologist? (b) very notable?)
Another problem was that references of someone being a Scientologist were a
lot easier to find than ones that they had left later, since most people
(until now!) tended to leave quietly. That meant that celebrities who had
drifted out the back door like Mimi Rogers were still listed as
Scientologists due to lack of a cite that they'd left.
People who were embarrassed about it afterwards usually say the standard
excuse that they'd "tried a couple courses but never joined", such as Jerry
Steinfeld, who later did another about-face. (Not that there's anything
wrong with that.) That also let CoS off the hook of having someone
publically quit. CoS doesn't have an official joining ceremony, so drawing
the line of who was *really* a Scientologist was always annoying. Auditing?
Yes. Comm course? Not so much. (You do get a paper saying that you can now
call yourself a Scientologist after that one--unless it's a stealth version
of the Comm course, like Narconon.)
--
Ron of that ilk.
john
"Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
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Van Morrison.
I'd like to know more about it.
I gather it happened at about the time he started his solo career in 1967,
but I don't know.
Skipper
<iden...@position.com> wrote:
No, Van was in the early 80s, about 83 I believe, in San Francisco.
Maureen
4. Testimony of Diana Canova
Here are some excerpts of an article of "Premiere" 9/93 about her,
showing
good reasons for not entering scientology:
"I remember having a choking anger against anyone who ever said
anything against Scientology," says actress Diana Canova (Soap),
a former member. "I would get crazy, I was just so angry. I would
have done anything for them."
During her seven years in Scientology, Canova experienced
the Celebrity Centre from both sides of fame. "When I started, I
wasn't in television yet. I was a nobody--I'd done some TV, but I
was not one of the elite, not by a long shot--until I did Soap.
Then it became . . . I mean, you really are treated like royalty."
"There was always pressure to get other celebrities in"
Canova found the Scientologists straightforward in their desire
for lucre. "The first time I walked in those doors, they said,
'Just give us all the money in your bank account. You'll get it
back tenfold.'" When she joined, auditing prices were about $25.
"It went up to about $175 in the early '80s," she recalls. "That
was shocking to me. I was beginning to wonder, Is it really worth
it? They're telling you, 'Don't spend $100 an hour on a shrink's
couch, it'll ruin your mind.' Auditing is so much better?"
"It took me years before I decided to quit," says Canova.
"I guess finally I was so fed up with being afraid. You've heard all
these horror stories . . . I believed them."
And we listen to Canova when she warns us: "They're capable of
doing a lot of things."
Canova says she spoke up because she thought it was important.
"I see some of my friends having to keep their mouths
shut for personal reasons, for business reasons," she says. "I
don't believe that's right. If it's going to be termed a
religion, or a church, then those kinds of fears have no business
being there. Nobody should be afraid. And you can quote me on that."
snip
--
Maureen