Scientology may not be perfect
Pastor William Rennick
every sinister malcontent there are hundreds, if not thousands who accept
Scientology and are grateful for it. Why can't the people who leave remain
silent? Why must they so rabidly speak out against Scientology? Why can't
they say even one good thing about it? Because they are biased, predisposed
and are using the same character flaws that erroneously drew them to
Scientology to now destroy it. This is almost borderline personality
disorder! Heaven help those who do not see it in themselves.
Pastor William Rennick
Skipper
<ohbej...@congregation.net> wrote:
Gee, I didn't think it was possible to channel Elwrong.
How did you find out about his favorite drug cocktail?
Lawrence
"Pastor William Rennick" <ohbej...@congregation.net> wrote in message
news:hed3i4$tm9$1...@aioe.org...
I have never met a Scientologist that is actually happy to be
a Scientologist.
Take me for example, why did I remain silent about
what was going on around me in the church when I was involved?
I would never lie to you, it is because at that time I did not
recognize that what was going on around me was wrong. I cannot
speak for everybody but I can speak for myself. As a new person into
the org to go Clear I automatically assumed that if there was a problem
of some kind it must have been from my reactive mind or implants. A person
just does not suspect right off the bat that OT's are in the church ripping
their fellow Scientologists guts out.
Does that make a person bias really or a borderline personality like you
say. A police officer responding to the scene of a crime does not really
know what lies on the other side of the door until he opens it and sees
for himself. Scientology's front doors are open. Go in and look for
yourself.
--
Read "The Diary Of A Scientologist"
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan/
Larry
Peter Schilte
"MAY not be perfect"? WTF!? And it "shows the way to perfection"?
Where were you the last decades?
Are you just stupid or completely ignorant of all the atrocities
committed by the cult to its own members, staff and critics?
You want one good thing said about it? Well, here it is: It is
dwindling, shrinking and being exposed for what it is.
Next time you feel urged to say something about the cult, please
inform yourself. It will at least make you look less idiotic.
Peter
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down
on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with
reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts.
The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some
of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is
to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
xenufrance
"Pastor William Rennick" <ohbej...@congregation.net> a �crit dans le
message de news: hed3i4$tm9$1...@aioe.org...
> Scientology may not be perfect but it does show the road to perfection.
No, and it has no way to show any such road to any perfection since it
believes in the most unperfect purposes one can hace: power and money,
control and domination of others.
r
slobeck
slobeck
Lawrence
"xenufrance" <xenuf...@free.fr> wrote in message
news:4b0a1c93$0$24774$426a...@news.free.fr...
Scientology is really only about money.
I am not a millionaire, but I have money in the bank, and when
I had it to share with Scientology, well they were my best and
closest friends, or so it seemed.
The moment someone like me questions why they really want
this money and what are they going to use it for, all of a sudden
your auditor from yesterday is the one who is kicking you in the
head today, all for the good of all concerned of course.
Astrid
Astrid
One good thing about Sciloontology...let me think...that's a hard one.
Do you have any easier questions? No wait, I got one, Sciloontology is
better than being hit by a bus. Now I'm not saying it's that good for
everyone, but for at least one in a hundred or thousand at least.
Lawrence
"Astrid" <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sciloontology?
I never heard of that one.
What is that a new gentle term that is supposed to catch on or something?
husk
<ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
> Crystal Meth may not be perfect but it does show the road to perfection. For
> every sinister malcontent there are hundreds, if not thousands who accept
> silent? Why must they so rabidly speak out against Crystal Meth? Why can't
> they say even one good thing about it? Because they are biased, predisposed
> and are using the same character flaws that erroneously drew them to
> disorder! Heaven help those who do not see it in themselves.
>
> Pastor William Rennick
fixed.
Hartley Patterson
Troll. Plonk.
--
FREEDOM is a trademark owned by
Religious Technology Center
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/stolgy_0.htm
Pastor William Rennick
and I don't want to disavow that one bit. The problem that all of you have
had is with the imperfect people of Scientology, not with its goals or
methods. Only people can abuse other people and only people can deny
charity. These people who have abused others or who have taken money under
false pretenses are not fully developed as Scientologists and the guilt lies
completely within them. If enough bad people are in an organization, it can
make the whole organization look bad even though that is not the goal of the
organization. Take, for instance, the Catholic Church. Rampant homosexuality
and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal sins and
the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day. The same goes
for the bad apples in Scientology. My improvements made to the E Machine
will certainly reveal these flaws in people. All Scientologists should be
screened with my "11 Machine" and any falling short of Scientology standards
should be thoroughly audited. My 11 Machine can even be programmed to apply
negative stimulus in the event a particular interogant is resistant to other
methods. These stumili start at low levels and over time increase in current
and frequency until full compliance is attained. This treatment is
completely voluntary and the interogant can purchase, at any time, the right
to have the therapy applied at a later date. The stimulus is applied only in
response to the reading of the 11 Machine through carefully developed and
thoroughly algorithms. It is humane and get results much more quickly than
previous methods.
Pastor William Rennick
Lawrence
Yes, but the problem remains that they got away with it.
barbz
For a pastor, you are remarkably ignorant of this subject. I should
think you'd do some research before shooting your mouth off on a global
forum. People, even Joe Sixpack and family, tend to notice shoddy
research. In fact, without cites, it's hardly research at all, just some
guy in a dress pulling nuggets of "wisdom" out of his ass.
Gullible ignorance is a bad combination. Heaven help those who do not
see it in themselves.
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne
A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.
Stephen Jones
Peter Schilte
Ah, the Pavlov reflex. Interesting. NOT!
Peter
"That which works in $cientology
is not unique to $cientology,
and that which is unique to $cientology
does not work."
- Prufrock
Lawrence
"barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:NnyOm.44684$Wd1....@newsfe15.iad...
Barbz:
You always have such a way with words cutie.
barbz
> Thanks for all your inputs, it obvious many of you had very bad experiences
> and I don't want to disavow that one bit. The problem that all of you have
> had is with the imperfect people of Scientology, not with its goals or
> methods.
Have you not read Source? This abuse is built into the doctrine as
written by L. Ron Hubbard. Its goals are clear. Nothing short of
"clearing the planet" will do. Those who do not wish to comply will be
"disposed of, quietly and without sorrow," as per Hubbard's instructions.
Only people can abuse other people and only people can deny
> charity.
Charity in Scientology is "out-exchange." There is no such thing as
Scientology charity.
These people who have abused others or who have taken money under
> false pretenses are not fully developed as Scientologists and the guilt lies
> completely within them. If enough bad people are in an organization, it can
> make the whole organization look bad even though that is not the goal of the
> organization.
Then Scientology has had bad people from its inception, starting with
Hubbard. Paranoid, drug abuser, wife beater, bigamist, pathological
liar, pulp fiction hack. You can't understand Scientology without
studying the personality of the man who created it. While good,
well-meaning people do get led astray into the Scientology fold, the
mental coercion and pressure to perform can turn them into monsters.
The goal of the organization is primarily to make money and take over
the world. Hubbard could not have stated these goals any clearer.
Take, for instance, the Catholic Church. Rampant homosexuality
> and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal sins and
> the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day.
No, let's not take the RCC as an example. They, at least, have made an
effort to bring these offenders to justice. They could hardly do
anything else in the face of global attention. But Scientology covers
its crimes and protects its criminals, preferring to conceal anything
that might tarnish its slick PR veneer.
The same goes
> for the bad apples in Scientology. My improvements made to the E Machine
> will certainly reveal these flaws in people. All Scientologists should be
> screened with my "11 Machine" and any falling short of Scientology standards
> should be thoroughly audited. My 11 Machine can even be programmed to apply
> negative stimulus in the event a particular interogant is resistant to other
> methods. These stumili start at low levels and over time increase in current
> and frequency until full compliance is attained. This treatment is
> completely voluntary and the interogant can purchase, at any time, the right
> to have the therapy applied at a later date. The stimulus is applied only in
> response to the reading of the 11 Machine through carefully developed and
> thoroughly algorithms. It is humane and get results much more quickly than
> previous methods.
>
> Pastor William Rennick
Oh, I see now. This was all a lead up to you flogging another fraudulent
device. Cue Twilight Zone music!
slobeck
>> Rampant homosexuality and pedophilia have tarnished the Church
bigot
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata DDT, OD, DTS
news:hee6mj$aar$1...@aioe.org...
> experiences and I don't want to disavow that one bit. The problem that all
> of you have had is with the imperfect people of Scientology, not with its
> goals or methods.
Scientology's "goals and methods" have been changing since 1951. Which ones
are you trying to claim are actually that?
Perhaps it's to cure some medical condition you may be suffering from. All
the below quotes are from Source, L. Ron Hubbard himself, before the alleged
perversion of this perverted-by-design cult:
"I've seen a goiter the size of a baseball visibly shrink and disappear in
the space of one-half hour right after an engram was run."
DIANETICS TODAY (1975 ED.) P.280
"A girl crippled by polio was able to throw away her crutches after my first
session."
DIANETICS TODAY P. 353
"Today, Eleanor has arthritis. She is audited... tonight she doesn't have
arthritis"
History of Man p. 7
"A broken limb will heal (by X-ray evidence) in two instead of six weeks."
DIANETICS TODAY P.110
"ONLY processing by Dianetics and Scientology can handle the effects of
drugs fully."
DIANETICS TODAY " P.481
"A child had died, was dead, had been pronounced dead by a doctor, and the
auditor, by calling the thetan back and ordering him to take over the body
again brought the child to life."
1968 "Dissemination of Material" p.75
"Cancer has been eradicated by auditing out conception and mitosis."
THE HISTORY OF MAN (1961) P. 20
also PAB no. 82 "Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation
(atomic bomb) burns."
ALL ABOUT RADIATION P.109
"You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps."
Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin vol. 2 no. 7 January 1952, "An afternoon with
Ron"
"The alleviation of the condition of insanity has also been accomplished
now..."
HCOB 28 Nov. '70 "Psychosis"
"Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases, asthma
disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue of illnesses
goes away and stays away."
DIANETICS (1987 ED.) p.72
"The GE has the record of past deaths. Auditing it alters physical
structure, eradicates physical malformations."
HISTORY OF MAN P.13
"Paralysis, anxiety stomachs, arthritis and many ills and aberrations have
been relieved by auditing them."
HISTORY OF MAN P.14
LRH: Here is your auditing question.
MS: Hm-hm.
LRH: Who or what would oppose absoluteably seriousness?
MS: Nix absoluteably seriousness.
LRH: Give me the whole thing again.
MS: Nix absoluteably seriousness.
LRH: Very good. All right. That rocket read. On this item has anything been
suppressed? Nope. I'll read to you this item again: Nix absoluteably
seriousness. All right. And who or what would nix absoluteably seriousness
oppose?
MS: Perfectably seriousness.
Lawrence
"slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2009112309083216807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
> On 2009-11-23 06:45:58 -0800, "Lawrence" <xxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx> said:
>
>>> Rampant homosexuality and pedophilia have tarnished the Church
>
> bigot
>
I didn't write that he did!
slobeck
>
> "slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:2009112309083216807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
>> On 2009-11-23 06:45:58 -0800, "Lawrence" <xxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx> said:
>>
>>>> Rampant homosexuality and pedophilia have tarnished the Church
>>
>> bigot
>>
>
> I didn't write that he did!
i meant him... sorry Laurence.
slobeck
<ohbej...@congregation.net> said:
> Rampant homosexuality
> and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal sins and
> the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day.
This attitude towards gays is why (according to him) Paul Haggis left the cult.
what's f'ing rampant is homophobia and bigotry. Homosexuality ≠
pedophelia dammit! I am getting sick to death of this.
stupid Christianists are same way. It's all stupid. Get the F out of my
bedroom.
sorry this issue makes me swear like DM.
<washes own mouth out with soap>
love, slø
Lawrence
Understood.
Roadrunner
> On 23 nov, 05:37, "Pastor William Rennick"
>
> <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
> > Scientology may not be perfect but it does show the road to perfection. For
> > every sinister malcontent there are hundreds, if not thousands who accept
> > Scientology and are grateful for it. Why can't the people who leave remain
> > silent? Why must they so rabidly speak out against Scientology? Why can't
> > they say even one good thing about it? Because they are biased, predisposed
> > and are using the same character flaws that erroneously drew them to
> > Scientology to now destroy it. This is almost borderline personality
> > disorder! Heaven help those who do not see it in themselves.
>
> > Pastor William Rennick
>
> "MAY not be perfect"? WTF!? And it "shows the way to perfection"?
> Where were you the last decades?
> Are you just stupid or completely ignorant of all the atrocities
> committed by the cult to its own members, staff and critics?
> You want one good thing said about it? Well, here it is: It is
> dwindling, shrinking and being exposed for what it is.
> Next time you feel urged to say something about the cult, please
> inform yourself. It will at least make you look less idiotic.
>
> Peter
This pastor, if he is that, describes you and your kind pretty
accurately...
It is you that can not say a good word about antyhign withing the
subject of Scientology, and simultanuously can not say a bad word
about your chosen guru St. Gerry.
RR
Gregory Hall
news:4b0ab61a$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
Barbz has a way with words like Claire has a way with vibrators. . .
--
Gregory Hall
Lawrence
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
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I am not a two face.
I have already told Barbz 50 times at least I thought she was
foxy babe. Claire is married.
Gregory Hall
> Scientology may not be perfect
Nowhere's even close to perfect . . .
> but it does show the road to perfection.
Yes, from LRH and the new management it shows a road lined with gold and
that's all greedy Scientology management is all about - greed and wealth
accumulation.
> For every sinister malcontent there are hundreds, if not thousands who
> accept Scientology and are grateful for it.
True, these are the more compliant and easily brainwashed drones who have
every vestige of independent thinking removed from their minds. We have
several of them posting regularly right here.
> Why can't the people who leave remain silent? Why must they so rabidly
> speak out against Scientology? Why can't they say even one good thing
> about it?
If they said even one good thing about it they would be telling a lie and
Barbara says Scientologists never lie. . . And, they cannot remain silent
because Scientology teaches them to attack, attack, attack.
> Because they are biased, predisposed and are using the same character
> flaws that erroneously drew them to Scientology to now destroy it. This is
> almost borderline personality disorder! Heaven help those who do not see
> it in themselves.
But, can't you see the underlying problem, Pastor? The problem is people
predisposed to lashing out and attacking are drawn into Scientology where
these negative attributes are actually strengthened by Scientology
coursework. Those who are the least manipulative wash out or are kicked out.
Those who are the most manipulative, dishonest, power hungy and callous like
DM and the MR twins and other high level staffers rise to the very top where
they can control the purse strings. That's what it's really all about -
power and wealth.
--
Gregory Hall
husk
<ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
> Thanks for all your inputs, it obvious many of you had very bad experiences
> and I don't want to disavow that one bit. The problem that all of you have
> had is with the imperfect people of Scientology, not with its goals or
> Pastor William Rennick
Actually I have nothing against the people in Scientology. I have
come to realize that the problem with Scientology is not its people,
of whom I'm sure there are some very nice people. Mr. Aaron Saxton
shed the light that I needed to see. I see that even David Miscavage
is a victim of Scientology. The abuse he hands out to those around
him is due to his Scientology SeaOrg training. So, once one admits to
their crimes and repents, I hold no grudges against the imperfect
people, as we can see from examples in this newsgroup that there are
imperfect people of all religions, including myself.
It is the system that is corrupt, not the people.
Barbara Schwarz
> "Pastor William Rennick" <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote in messagenews:hed3i4$tm9$1...@aioe.org...
Plonk!
Christianity is ANYTHING but perfect.
Gregory Hall
news:8bbf21fc-3330-45c3...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Plonk!
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hakeem/holocaust1.html
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No religion is perfect because mankind isn't perfect because the first
woman, Eve, disobeyed God and sinned by eating the fruit of the tree of
knowledge of good and evil and caused Adam to eat of it also. This
imperfection in the human race caused by the first woman is the blame for
nothing being perfect in this world.
And you women who caused this punishment to be dealt out to all mankind have
the nerve to act like you are the noble gender. You act like you are the
victims? Ask yourself who it the real victim. The answer to that is mankind
is the victim of a woman's arrogantly disobeying God. Everybody suffers
because of what one uppity arrogant and STUPID woman an did.
FYI, thirty-three percent of the world's population are Christians. What
does Scientology have? Maybe one tenth of one percent? Hell, I think David
Koresh and the Rev. Jim Jones had a better following that that.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara Schwarz
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8bbf21fc-3330-45c3...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 5:03 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
>
> > "Pastor William Rennick" <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote in
> > messagenews:hed3i4$tm9$1...@aioe.org...
>
> Plonk!
Plonk for Christian imperfection!
They want to be better than anybody else and then it turns out they
are from hell.
Barbara Schwarz
Pastor William Rennick
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
> But, can't you see the underlying problem, Pastor? The problem is people
> predisposed to lashing out and attacking are drawn into Scientology where
> these negative attributes are actually strengthened by Scientology
> coursework. Those who are the least manipulative wash out or are kicked
> out. Those who are the most manipulative, dishonest, power hungy and
> callous like DM and the MR twins and other high level staffers rise to the
> very top where they can control the purse strings. That's what it's really
> all about - power and wealth.
>
********DING**DING****DING***DING**********
WE HAVE A WINNER HERE!
BINGO!!
Pastor William Rennick
> On 2009-11-23 06:37:40 -0800, "Pastor William Rennick"
> <ohbej...@congregation.net> said:
>
>> Rampant homosexuality
>> and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal sins
>> and
>> the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day.
>
> This attitude towards gays is why (according to him) Paul Haggis left the
> cult.
Homosexuality and pedophilia are mortal sins in Catholic Doctrine.
>
> what's f'ing rampant is homophobia and bigotry. Homosexuality ? pedophelia
> dammit! I am getting sick to death of this.
I did not say that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same, I made a clear
distinction between the two. I am sorry you were offended that is not my
intent, I was just using that as a example.
>
> stupid Christianists are same way. It's all stupid. Get the F out of my
> bedroom.
Now you go and do the same behavior you condemn others of. Surely you are
better than that.
>
> sorry this issue makes me swear like DM.
>
> <washes own mouth out with soap>
>
> love, sl�
>
Pastor William Rennick
"Lawrence" <xxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> Yes, but the problem remains that they got away with it.
>
Lawrence,
Thank you for thinking with your mind rather than your emotions as others
have. Yes, there are ill-willed zealots associated with almost every group.
According to an overwhelming majority here it looks like some Scientologists
have gotten away with something. In the case of the Catholic Church there
were actually crimes that could be tried in court. The allegations against
Scientology appear to be asking for money and some form of "emotional
abuse". It is not a crime to ask for money using non coercive means. People
gave their money voluntarily to a government sanctioned church. If they had
exercised some diligence beforehand they may not have given money. But there
is no fraud or misrepresentation. As far as the emotional abuse, that's a
tough one to prove or even demonstrate. Think of the emotional abuse in
Marine Corps boot camp, on football teams, in cheerleading squads, high
schools, in politics (poor Sarah Palin!). Emotional abuse is entirely in the
mind of the victim and in the case of Scientology the victim voluntarily
enters into a contract to suffer this "abuse" as part of their improvement
program. It's not child abuse, spousal abuse, work place abuse where the
victim has entered into an arrangement for one end and suffers because of
it. Part of Scientology is withstanding this "abuse" which, after time, is
no longer "abuse" because the negative under pinnings of this type of
perception have been purged. This is a common societal phenomena where
people "pay their dues" to belong to a group. Football players smash their
helmets togethers, Marines punch medals into each others chest, college
fraternities drink until they are blind, homosexuals stretch and inject
various body parts, and all types of other painful (physical and or
emotional) things happen are part of a ritual of being part of a group.
Looked at in isolation, with absolutely no context they do appear bizarre.
But when viewed entirely in context, they are acceptable and part of the
process which is accepted by a vast majority of the participants. It seems
only those who fail or those who are outliers have any real condemnation
(after the fact of course) for these type of things.
Pastor William Rennick
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata DDT, OD, DTS
"Pastor William Rennick" <ohbej...@congregation.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Lawrence" <xxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:4b0aa038$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
>>
>> Yes, but the problem remains that they got away with it.
>>
>
> Lawrence,
>
> Thank you for thinking with your mind rather than your emotions as others
> have.
Sockpuppet.
Django
earthligh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Pastor William Rennick" <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote in messagenews:hegpg6$h1f$1...@aioe.org...
> > Lawrence,
>
> > Thank you for thinking with your mind rather than your emotions as others
> > have.
>
> Sockpuppet.
Agreed. Hmmm...claims to be a Christian. Defends Sciloontology yet
claims he isn't a Scilon. Who would do that? Uuuuhh...nope, I'm
putting some thought into it, but I can't seem to figure out who the
Hall this might be.....
Astrid
<ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
(clipped insanity)
> Pastor William Rennick
Poor, poor Sarah Palin. Got abused into a 10 million dollar book deal.
Gregory Hall
news:73ea09a9-6450-4460...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
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FAIL! I would never stand up for deviant sodomite practices no matter the
setting in which these mortal sins are perpetrated. Homosexuality is
immoral, sinful, abhorrent and just plain sick. The practice of homosexual
sodomy has been proven to have produced the AIDS epidemic. It can also
spread hepatitis, herpes and other STDs, HPV and the like. Gay men are a
scourge.
If it is, indeed, the C of S's policy to exclude or re-program homosexuals
then this is ONE thing they are 100% correct in effecting.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
Thanks, but . . .
I won't feel like a winner until Barbara Schwarz finally admits she wishes
to become my helpmate.
--
Gregory Hall
slobeck
sl�
slobeck
<ohbej...@congregation.net> said:
>
> "slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:2009112311363516807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
>> On 2009-11-23 06:37:40 -0800, "Pastor William Rennick"
>> <ohbej...@congregation.net> said:
>>
>>> Rampant homosexuality
>>> and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal sins
>>> and
>>> the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day.
>>
>> This attitude towards gays is why (according to him) Paul Haggis left the
>> cult.
>
> Homosexuality and pedophilia are mortal sins in Catholic Doctrine.
>
>
>>
>> what's f'ing rampant is homophobia and bigotry. Homosexuality ? pedophelia
>> dammit! I am getting sick to death of this.
>
>
> I did not say that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same, I made a clear
> distinction between the two. I am sorry you were offended that is not my
> intent, I was just using that as a example.
>
>>
>> stupid Christianists are same way. It's all stupid. Get the F out of my
>> bedroom.
>
> Now you go and do the same behavior you condemn others of. Surely you are
> better than that.
how exactly?
>
>>
>> sorry this issue makes me swear like DM.
>>
>> <washes own mouth out with soap>
>>
>> love, sl�
no it's not the same. I am expressing frustration at the bigotry of
people shoving their beliefs down non-believers throats and imposing
YOUR morality on the rest of us. "rampant homosexuality has tarnished
the church" is a statement that homosexuality is something bad - able
to tarnish an organization. And inherently bigoted.
slobeck
troll
Gregory Hall
> We are not a scourge, asswipe, you and your hate are the scourge.
>
> sl�
>
May the Lord show you the path that will lead you away from the road you are
taking now - the road to disease, depravity, death and the road to eternal
damnation.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
Homosexuality tarnishes everything and everybody it touches. Open your eyes!
--
Gregory Hall
husk
...........
> FAIL! I would never stand up for deviant sodomite practices no matter the
> setting in which these mortal sins are perpetrated. Homosexuality is
> immoral, sinful, abhorrent and just plain sick. The practice of homosexual
> sodomy has been proven to have produced the AIDS epidemic. It can also
> spread hepatitis, herpes and other STDs, HPV and the like. Gay men are a
> scourge.
>
> If it is, indeed, the C of S's policy to exclude or re-program homosexuals
> then this is ONE thing they are 100% correct in effecting.
>
> --
> Gregory Hall
God is perfect.
God makes everything.
What God creates is perfect.
God made Homosexuals?
You see, this is where it falls apart for me and why I see the Bible
as negatively influenced by men with agendas. Would it be abhorrent
for a heterosexual man to have sex with a homosexual or heterosexual
man? I believe it is. Is is abhorrent for two homosexuals to have
sex? I don't find that abhorrent as I can't reconcile the teaching
that everything God creates is perfect yet he creates homosexuals.
God is either playing a cruel joke on homosexuals that lasts their
whole lifetime, or the Bible was influenced by imperfect men. It is
obvious that the latter makes more sense. What motive would God have
for playing a cruel joke on 3% of the populace? Compare it to a child
who is hard wired to love candy. Then tell him its a mortal sin to
eat any candy.
Lawrence
"husk" <hu...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:190f69eb-e715-4f4c...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 2:59 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> ...........
>> FAIL! I would never stand up for deviant sodomite practices no matter
>> the
>> setting in which these mortal sins are perpetrated. Homosexuality is
>> immoral, sinful, abhorrent and just plain sick. The practice of
>> homosexual
>> sodomy has been proven to have produced the AIDS epidemic. It can also
>> spread hepatitis, herpes and other STDs, HPV and the like. Gay men are a
>> scourge.
>>
>> If it is, indeed, the C of S's policy to exclude or re-program
>> homosexuals
>> then this is ONE thing they are 100% correct in effecting.
>>
>> --
>> Gregory Hall
>
> God is perfect.
>
> God makes everything.
>
> What God creates is perfect.
>
> God made Homosexuals?
>
(SNIP)
This is a really good point.
If Scientology is not true and all lies like most of the people
in this newsgroup boast being able to prove, when people
die do they really get to meet God and go to heaven and
get wings and become angels and play harps. If this were
true, there would have to be an infinite number of people
that could be born and die forever, and wouldn't heaven
tend to become a little over populated after a certain amount
of centuries?
So I guess Xenu addressed that problem rather well.
A lie is a lie anywhere in the universe the same way the
truth is the truth.
Gregory Hall
news:190f69eb-e715-4f4c...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
...........
> FAIL! I would never stand up for deviant sodomite practices no matter the
> setting in which these mortal sins are perpetrated. Homosexuality is
> immoral, sinful, abhorrent and just plain sick. The practice of homosexual
> sodomy has been proven to have produced the AIDS epidemic. It can also
> spread hepatitis, herpes and other STDs, HPV and the like. Gay men are a
> scourge.
>
> If it is, indeed, the C of S's policy to exclude or re-program homosexuals
> then this is ONE thing they are 100% correct in effecting.
>
> --
> Gregory Hall
God is perfect.
God makes everything.
What God creates is perfect.
God made Homosexuals?
=======================================
[REPLY]
God did NOT make homosexuals. Homosexuals are self-made. God created the
abberation (yes, God does create abberrations - just look around) but the
abberant behavior needs to be acted out upon in order for somebody with
homosexual inclinations to actually become a homosexual. Thinking about homo
sex does not a homosexual make.
As for the abberation, God created it for a purpose, as a test. God tests us
all in different ways. If we fail to pass the test we fail. That's what free
will is all about. Is it so hard for somebody with homosexual inclinations
to just say no? No, it is not. Unless they are hedonists who say, "I
couldn't care less about God's word. If I want to have homo sex I shall and
everybody else can take a hike." This is depravity compounded by immorality.
A double sin and a good way to spend all eternity in Hell partitioned off
from God's grace.
=========================================
You see, this is where it falls apart for me and why I see the Bible
as negatively influenced by men with agendas. Would it be abhorrent
for a heterosexual man to have sex with a homosexual or heterosexual
man? I believe it is. Is is abhorrent for two homosexuals to have
sex? I don't find that abhorrent as I can't reconcile the teaching
that everything God creates is perfect . . .
=========================================
[REPLY]
Where did you ever get the false idea that everything God creates is
perfect. God created Lucifer, and Lucifer is not perfect. Lucifer is
defective, evil and ungodly. You see, in a perfect world there would be no
free will. There would be no need to choose between good and evil. Just a
bunch of drones on a predetermined path to salvation. God needed to create
an imperfect world so as to have a suitable stage on which people could
choose between good and evil, in other words exercise their free will.
===========================================
. . .yet he creates homosexuals.
God is either playing a cruel joke on homosexuals that lasts their
whole lifetime, or the Bible was influenced by imperfect men. It is
obvious that the latter makes more sense. What motive would God have
for playing a cruel joke on 3% of the populace? Compare it to a child
who is hard wired to love candy. Then tell him its a mortal sin to
eat any candy.
============================================
[REPLY]
Read the book of Job. In it God plagues Job with all sorts of cruelties. God
does this to test Job's faith. God even conspired with the devil and said
'do your worse but you are not allowed to kill him." Do you really think
that God stopped this practice with Job?
Those inclined toward homosexuality have such a little test. If they are too
weak to pass such an easy test then they deserve to be damned for their
arrogance and hedonism. God gave them free choice and they FAIL.
--
Gregory Hall
Lawrence
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
> "husk" <hu...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:190f69eb-e715-4f4c...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 2:59 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
(SNIP)
> Would it be abhorrent
> for a heterosexual man to have sex with a homosexual or heterosexual
> man? I believe it is.
> Gregory Hall
(SNIP)
L. Ron Hubbard says in the Dianetics book SPECIFICALLY
that all sexual perverts on Kraft-Ebing and Ellis's list possess
hundreds and hundreds of vicious engrams some of them
pre-natal in origin that make them the way that they are.
If you are not sure if it says this in the book,
go get a copy, and it is in there.
I know more than one OT that has no engrams that are
gay men. NOT that I asked them out to dinner, but, just
to mention. So this disproves Hubbard statement that all
perverts suffer from the same cause of their problem.
It is not for me to say L. Ron Hubbard was a liar or the
Paulette Cooper of his day, but it is in writing that this is
the case. One OT I can think off right off the top of my head
was expelled SPECIFICALLY for refusing to give up his gay
lifestyle.
Lawrence
"Lawrence" <xxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
Expelled meaning expelled from Scientololgy.
Pastor William Rennick
> no it's not the same. I am expressing frustration at the bigotry of
> people shoving their beliefs down non-believers throats and imposing YOUR
> morality on the rest of us. "rampant homosexuality has tarnished the
> church" is a statement that homosexuality is something bad - able to
> tarnish an organization. And inherently bigoted.
>
>
You must stop thinking only about yourself. Think of the viewpoint of
practicing Catholics. Homosexuality is a mortal sin, yet many of the priests
practice it and even worse. In the eyes of Catholics, the Church was
severely tarnished. This all has nothing to do with you. If you would keep
your bedroom practices strictly in the privacy of your bedroom rather than
bringing it up at every opportunity to paint yourself as a victim, you might
get the respect from others that you obviously don't give yourself. Keep
your baggage in the closet, please!
Pastor William Rennick
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata DDT, OD, DTS
"husk" <hu...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:190f69eb-e715-4f4c...@o23g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 2:59 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> ...........
>> FAIL! I would never stand up for deviant sodomite practices no matter
>> the
>> setting in which these mortal sins are perpetrated. Homosexuality is
>> immoral, sinful, abhorrent and just plain sick. The practice of
>> homosexual
>> sodomy has been proven to have produced the AIDS epidemic. It can also
>> spread hepatitis, herpes and other STDs, HPV and the like. Gay men are a
>> scourge.
>>
>> If it is, indeed, the C of S's policy to exclude or re-program
>> homosexuals
>> then this is ONE thing they are 100% correct in effecting.
>>
>> --
>> Gregory Hall
>
> God is perfect.
>
> God makes everything.
>
> What God creates is perfect.
Says who, precisely?
Barbara loves Marty
> "Pastor William Rennick" <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote in messagenews:hefj8p$621$1...@aioe.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote in message
> >news:3abps6....@news.alt.net...
>
> >> But, can't you see the underlying problem, Pastor? The problem is people
> >> predisposed to lashing out and attacking are drawn into Scientology where
> >> these negative attributes are actually strengthened by Scientology
> >> coursework. Those who are the least manipulative wash out or are kicked
> >> out. Those who are the most manipulative, dishonest, power hungy and
> >> callous like DM and the MR twins and other high level staffers rise to
> >> the very top where they can control the purse strings. That's what it's
> >> really all about - power and wealth.
>
> > ********DING**DING****DING***DING**********
>
> > WE HAVE A WINNER HERE!
>
> > BINGO!!
>
> Thanks, but . . .
>
> I won't feel like a winner until Barbara Schwarz finally admits she wishes
> to become my helpmate.
>
> --
I think many people think that you are joking but the creepy thing is
you are serious. Did you ever try so hard to make another woman to be
your helpmate as you try with me? How did that end?
Barbara Schwarz
Gregory Hall
message news:hei0du$6p9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Says the ignorant people who never read the Bible. . .
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
>
>
> "Astrid" <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:766273b0-cdd8-4a70...@w19g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> that.
If I could have any woman besides Barbara Schwarz it would be Sarah Palin.
She's actually a little more attractive than Barbara but she hunts and kills
innocent animals and that's unacceptable to me. But Sarah is a Christian
woman so if she were married to me she would listen to me and stop hunting
and killing innocent animals. Barbara would never do such a low thing so I
wouldn't even have to ask her to stop.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:537298cc-d826-48b9...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
Barbara Schwarz
======================================
[REPLY]
It always ends rotten.
Women are all way too stubborn. They all want to make a man work so hard
before they accept his proposal. You are no different. Just more stubborn.
It is a man's fate to keep up the pursuit. When women find themselves
running out of other options they sometimes quickly change their minds. If a
man dates lots of women he finds out that some will say they can't go out on
a date because (thought they won't admit it) they wait for a man they like
better to ask them out. But when that particular man never asks they finally
give up and accept a date with the first man. It's in their nature to be
this way. Women know what they like in a man but that kind of man isn't
necessarily attracted to them. Women are attracted to the kind of man they
know will make the best father for their children. But they are sensible and
will settle for second best in their minds once they are sure first best is
not going to be available to them.
--
Gregory Hall
barbz
And you call yourself "pastor." Take a pastoral leap at a rolling donut!
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne
A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.
Stephen Jones
Gregory Hall
news:I_bPm.39872$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
> Pastor William Rennick wrote:
>> "slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:2009112413492543658-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
>>
>>> no it's not the same. I am expressing frustration at the bigotry of
>>> people shoving their beliefs down non-believers throats and imposing
>>> YOUR morality on the rest of us. "rampant homosexuality has tarnished
>>> the church" is a statement that homosexuality is something bad - able to
>>> tarnish an organization. And inherently bigoted.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You must stop thinking only about yourself. Think of the viewpoint of
>> practicing Catholics. Homosexuality is a mortal sin, yet many of the
>> priests practice it and even worse. In the eyes of Catholics, the Church
>> was severely tarnished. This all has nothing to do with you. If you would
>> keep your bedroom practices strictly in the privacy of your bedroom
>> rather than bringing it up at every opportunity to paint yourself as a
>> victim, you might get the respect from others that you obviously don't
>> give yourself. Keep your baggage in the closet, please!
>>
>> Pastor William Rennick
> Hey, you dimbulb bigot...you don't have to be gay to support gay rights.
> And you call yourself "pastor." Take a pastoral leap at a rolling donut!
Sodomites have the right to remain silent. They should avail themselves of
that right. . .
--
Gregory Hall
Pastor William Rennick
> Hey, you dimbulb bigot...you don't have to be gay to support gay rights.
> And you call yourself "pastor." Take a pastoral leap at a rolling donut!
>
Gays don't need rights above anyone else. Just because they're gay it
doesn't make them special.
Why don't blood banks take donations from gays? They are being profiled in
that case and excluded. Do you want to change that?
You are a very mean person.
Pastor William Rennick
Peter Schilte
> On 23 Nov, 05:59, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 23 nov, 05:37, "Pastor William Rennick"
>
> > <ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
> > > Scientology may not be perfect but it does show the road to perfection. For
> > > every sinister malcontent there are hundreds, if not thousands who accept
> > > silent? Why must they so rabidly speak out against Scientology? Why can't
> > > and are using the same character flaws that erroneously drew them to
> > > Scientology to now destroy it. This is almost borderline personality
> > > disorder! Heaven help those who do not see it in themselves.
>
>
> > "MAY not be perfect"? WTF!? And it "shows the way to perfection"?
> > Where were you the last decades?
> > Are you just stupid or completely ignorant of all the atrocities
> > committed by the cult to its own members, staff and critics?
> > You want one good thing said about it? Well, here it is: It is
> > dwindling, shrinking and being exposed for what it is.
> > Next time you feel urged to say something about the cult, please
> > inform yourself. It will at least make you look less idiotic.
>
> > Peter
>
> This pastor, if he is that, describes you and your kind pretty
> accurately...
>
> It is you that can not say a good word about antyhign withing the
> subject of Scientology, and simultanuously can not say a bad word
> about your chosen guru St. Gerry.
>
> RR
>
LIAR! I even told you I did, and what it was. But you have shown on
other occasions you don't read responses to your posts.
Still obsessed with Gerry, now are you? Poor boy!
Peter
"You mocked up your own reactive mind, you mocked up your BTs and you
mocked up your past lives.
Those ARE the EPs (End Phenomenons) of scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard told you so. This is what you are paying for, in no
uncertain terms. Hubbard makes it very clear all the way "UP" the
bridge.
He even told you he was selling you a bridge."
- Ladybird
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
>
>
> > "There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down
> > on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with
> > reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts.
> > The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some
> > of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is
> > to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
> > "The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
> > bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
> > almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
> > dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
> > - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
>
> >http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Peter Schilte
> "Django" <Djan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
Mmm, someone's thinking with his brains still in the nineteenth
century.....
Peter Schilte
> "slobeck" <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2009112413492543658-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
>
>
>
> > On 2009-11-24 05:53:35 -0800, "Pastor William Rennick"
>
> >> "slobeck" <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>news:2009112311363516807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
> >>> On 2009-11-23 06:37:40 -0800, "Pastor William Rennick"
>
> >>>> Rampant homosexuality
> >>>> and pedophilia have tarnished the Church. But those acts are mortal
> >>>> sins
> >>>> and
> >>>> the offenders will have to answer upon their judgement day.
>
> >>> This attitude towards gays is why (according to him) Paul Haggis left
> >>> the
> >>> cult.
>
> >> Homosexuality and pedophilia are mortal sins in Catholic Doctrine.
>
> >>> what's f'ing rampant is homophobia and bigotry. Homosexuality ?
> >>> pedophelia
> >>> dammit! I am getting sick to death of this.
>
> >> I did not say that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same, I made a
> >> clear
> >> distinction between the two. I am sorry you were offended that is not my
> >> intent, I was just using that as a example.
>
> >>> stupid Christianists are same way. It's all stupid. Get the F out of my
> >>> bedroom.
>
> >> Now you go and do the same behavior you condemn others of. Surely you are
> >> better than that.
> > how exactly?
>
> >>> sorry this issue makes me swear like DM.
>
> >>> <washes own mouth out with soap>
>
>
> > no it's not the same. I am expressing frustration at the bigotry of
> > people shoving their beliefs down non-believers throats and imposing YOUR
> > morality on the rest of us. "rampant homosexuality has tarnished the
> > church" is a statement that homosexuality is something bad - able to
> > tarnish an organization. And inherently bigoted.
>
> Homosexuality tarnishes everything and everybody it touches. Open your eyes!
>
> --
> Gregory Hall
Well, you have just shown that it only tarnishes fundamental extremist
bigots like yourself.
slobeck
May you someday realize what intolerance and hate does to people.
slobeck
<-earthl...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
> "slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:2009112413443050073-polymorphic@earthlinknet...
>> We are not a scourge, asswipe, you and your hate are the scourge.
>
> The Scientologist reveals itself through this kind of REACTION to the
> truth: delete the 'offending' message contents, and lash out with some
> irrational comment combined with obscenities.
>
> But it's still a sign that the Scientologist operative here hasn't yet
> mastered the Sooper Power of killing the Reactive Mind. There is no
> such thing, in any event, but the operative must perform, and display
> results!
>
> Thursday's coming, clambot. Suck it up.
oops, I think you misread me. Hall made a comment about gay men being
a scourge - my response was to that. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
sl�
slobeck
sorry, greg, I'm not joining you under the bridge. You're entitled to
your hate as sad as it is.
slobeck
<ohbej...@congregation.net> said:
you're both bigots.
Kat
<ohbejoy...@congregation.net> wrote:
>
> Gays don't need rights above anyone else. Just because they're gay it
> doesn't make them special.
The point which you are missing.. more than likely intentionally...
is that gays do not receive the same rights as heterosexual couples
and experience discrimination for their sexual orientation. They are
human beings, entitled to the same rights as any other human being,
but they still are discriminated against.
To base someone's rights in a society on one particular religious
doctrine, especially in the US where the country was founded on
religious freedom and tolerance, is completely retarded. I do not care
if that faith is utilized by a majority or minority of the
population.. to deny people their rights as human beings simply
because of an opposing culture is wrong. It's the same kind of
bullshit that lead to slavery imo, and has no place in today's global
society... particularly in the US.
slobeck
> If I could have any woman besides Barbara Schwarz it would be Sarah Palin.
> She's actually a little more attractive than Barbara but she hunts and kills
> innocent animals and that's unacceptable to me. But Sarah is a Christian
> woman so if she were married to me she would listen to me and stop hunting
> and killing innocent animals. Barbara would never do such a low thing so I
> wouldn't even have to ask her to stop.
figures. lolz
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata DDT, OD, DTS
"Pastor William Rennick" <ohbej...@congregation.net> wrote in message
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>
> "barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:I_bPm.39872$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>
>
>> Hey, you dimbulb bigot...you don't have to be gay to support gay rights.
>> And you call yourself "pastor." Take a pastoral leap at a rolling donut!
>>
>
> Gays don't need rights above anyone else. Just because they're gay it
> doesn't make them special.
Actually I think what you're trying to say is that we already have laws
supporting human rights, so why should one require laws that particularly
protect the rights of a person or group more than others? Just attempting
to translate here, but it did occur to me.
Gregory Hall
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[REPLY]
Oh, STOW IT, Kat. You and your ignorant liberal outlook that makes little or
no sense.
Gays, do NOT deserve any extra rights. What defines them is sodomy! Since
when has it been anybody's right to have equal rights to engage in a
perversion and to insist, on top of that, that they should have their
perversion protected by law. That's what it boils down to - the acceptance
and the writing of 'special circumstance laws' that validate a perverse
act - the act of sodomy.
What's next - special law for bestiality? For pedophilia? For murder, rape,
torture or any other perversion? Live and let live, which is liberal dogma
twisted completely away from it's original meaning is what is behind all
this "gay rights" crap. Stop moving the bar. You move the bar to confer
special rights on one perversion so it follows that the next perversion
should be included by moving the bar even higher. Pretty soon you have
anarchy and nobody has any rights.
There is NOTHING gay about being a sodomite.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
message news:hencft$qr0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
An example of which you speak is the proliferation of so-called "hate crime"
laws.
You can beat up somebody and be tried and convicted of assault and battery.
But beat up a Jew and it's a "hate crime." Extra punishment! What happened
to equality under the law?
Now, they are trying to put sodomites into the category of religion-based
hate crimes. This is really really sick and shows how hate crime laws confer
special rights upon certain groups when there are already laws on the books
to protect them. Protecting them on a level above the base level is to
bastardize the law in my opinion.
--
Gregory Hall
Kat
> "Kat" <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
HAHAHAHAHAHA oh man, I see you have not changed. I made the mistake of
checking this thread with my killfile off, and was granted a laugh by
your ignorant trolling. Just because it's the day after thanksgiving,
I think I shall feed the trolls. I have turkey left-overs to partake
of, while you only subside on attention gained from trolling. With the
amount of people that have you kill filed, you must be starving at
this point :P
I was discussing separation of church and state and basing laws around
secular culture instead of religious doctrine... you know... what the
founding fathers wanted? It is really no surprise that you did not
understand this. I did not give my opinion if I approved or gays/
lesbians or otherwise, you could only assume due to your own biased,
trolling nature.
The "perverse" act that you speak of is practiced by heterosexual
couples as well. Lesbianism is not defined by sodomy, so your
"definition" really doesn't apply. What it boils down to is sex with
the same gender which prevents any chance of pregnancy, since most
bible thumpers would consider that "lust" and therefore a "sin".
Actually, the arguments of conservatives who wish to persecute gays
would be a lot more credible if they cracked down on Nana's and Pop-
Pop's who are still in love after 40+ years of marriage and want to
get it on, or if they yelled at young couples who want to try
something other than vaginal intercourse. Double standards are silly,
after all.
Comparing sodomy to rape? What's the matter Snot Boy, drop the soap
while you were in jail? All joking aside, there is a significant
difference between the acts of two consenting adults and violent acts
that deny someone their rights, such as rape and murder. Beastiality,
well, the animal can't exactly consent to it, now can it? That is a
pretty easy "bar" to understand, now isn't it? Consent between
adults?