the Berlin demo
Tilman Hausherr
The demo did take place. These people remind of the former communists -
they spoke on the meeting place from 12:00 - 15:00, i.e. three hours.
Nothing really meaningful, only slogans
"what do we want?"
"freedom!"
"where do we want it?"
"in Germany" / "everywhere"
"When do we want it?"
"now!"
then greetings, like "Hello to 100 people from Greece".
Etc, etc. For three hours. When they finally got moving, there was an
incredible chaos. Fotographers and TV teams were jumping on each other
to film the front row of the clam bigots. It was crazy.
Who was there?
The main mouth was (I was told) Andrik Schapers, a singer from The
Netherlands. But here he was rather a shouter. This guy looks like a
lumberjack, really scary. It is exactly the kind of people you need for
propaganda events.
Other people:
- Mike Rinder
- Isaac "I was famous once" Hayes
- Anne Archer (probably, I cannot remember her face, she has no special
look)
- The head of the celebrity center, Karen Hollander. Her hair looks as
crappy as on the pictures - it looks as if she does it herself.
- I also saw Götz Brase, the real estate shark
- Gisela Hackenjos (spokeswoman) was demoted "Ordner", i.e. security
person
- A mysterious woman in red
- A camera man that I think I remember from somewhere
- A grey haired guy who looks like a mafia hitman.
(hint: "fucking dickhead")
- Also in the front were two african americans I had seen at the SP
event
At a moment Mike Rinder was suddenly well ahead in the demo and was left
alone. Seems no one likes that guy??? I could not find anything to ask
him, so I didn't use the opportunity.
The horses, drummers and trumpteers were nowhere to be seen. The plane
with the banner was also not there, but that's because it's a troll.
(Because I had enquired about this, it would have been more than my
entertainment budget allows)
The slogans in the march were still the same, I think they had only
three. (Hey, they are scientologists - what would YOU expect?!) Andrik
Shapers was shouting into the megaphone, so the sound was less "What do
we want" and more "uuhh uuuh uuh uuuuuh".
They were marching real fast, so I got some good exercise.
The concert was at the Brandenburg gate, but at the "wrong" side (the
side where the gate looks like nothing). They did have power generators,
and the sound level was much too high.
I have three rolls of film, now I'll try to get some scanning
arrangements.
Tilman
DeoMorto
Erin wrote:Guess what. Not *all* of the marchers were Scientologists.
What a surprise. Other people want freedom, its just that
the Scientologists are willing to fight for it for themselves
and others.
And, my famiily and I are very glad they do.
Erin<<
what is your 'good authority" Erin? You were obviously not there so you must
have gotten the figure from somewhere the CofS apparently claims there were
6500, the German police say 3,000. Where does your source of info come from?
If there were "non" scientologists in the crowd that makes the showing by
scientologists in general extremely shabby indeed. According to the cofs' own
propaganda there are thousands upin thousands - nay tens of thousands of
scientologists in europe.
How come not even 10% of them could be bothered to show up? its not like it s
a huge sacrifice for someone from Copenhagen - one day off work only.
So scientologists have proven that they cannot even get behind their own
bogus PR campaign.
The best that they can manage is little PR posters like you who a) didn't go
b) manufactures info to try and score points and c) seems to have trouble in
dealing with facts but has no problem with fantasy.
ErinAnderson
Poor Tilman, slightly outnumbered, eh? I have it on fairly
good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
march through Berlin. The traffic stopped. Many, many true
Germans (who are *not* nazis and who *do* want freedom) joined
in the march and had a great time. Too bad Tilman's view is
so narrow. He might have enjoyed himself as thousands did.
What a sad, tainted view, Tilman. Religious freedom for all
in Germany. That's the message. But to an atheiest, of course,
this is scary. Perhaps, just perhaps you *do* have an after
life and perhaps, just perhaps you *will* have to answer-up
to some supreme being.
Guess what. Not *all* of the marchers were Scientologists.
What a surprise. Other people want freedom, its just that
the Scientologists are willing to fight for it for themselves
and others.
And, my famiily and I are very glad they do.
Erin
In article <3455cc51...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
LilAlex742
Erin snorted:
> I have it on fairly
>good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>march through Berlin.
But I read Reuters claims:
>Police estimated the size of the demonstration at 3,000 while >Scientology
>organisers said there 6,500.
But I guess it doesn't matter because you are always going to believe what's
true for you. To bad its not true for everyone else.
Ted Mayett (KoX)
On 27 Oct 1997 19:15:18 GMT, lilal...@aol.com (LilAlex742) wrote:
>
>
>Erin snorted:
> > I have it on fairly
>>good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>>march through Berlin.
>
>But I read Reuters claims:
>>Police estimated the size of the demonstration at 3,000 while >Scientology
>>organisers said there 6,500.
>
Darn. I had guessed 2,000 at the most.
Monkeys, the Police estimated 3,000. Now then, Police , Wogs, etc.
cannot estimate like clams. When I pointed out to Mary Gay OT4, that
the vehicle count at the org was dramatically down, she said,
"I have my own reality and the org is expanding."
It is over! 3,000 gathered planet wide from the most able group on
the planet is a LOSS. It is pitiful. And the 3,000 represented more
than mere scientologists!
1993 at the New Years event held at the Shrine Auditorium there were
and estimated 5,000 clams. This was a real
'count-them-yourself-and-see' 5,000. They really were there.
November 1st will once again be revealing.
Pictures from Berlin!!! Please.
--
Ted Mayett OT 1.1
http://xenu.phys.uit.no/cgi-bin/globloc.cgi
James Wood
On 27 Oct 1997 09:06:19 -0800, ErinAnderson wrote:
>Poor Tilman, slightly outnumbered, eh? I have it on fairly
>good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>march through Berlin. The traffic stopped. Many, many true
Fairly good authority? Do you mean scientology? The same people
who tell us that there's 8 million scientologists in the world
today? That thoughts have weight? That LRon was a nuclear
physicist when he really flunked out of college? That humans
descended from clams? That people low on the tone scale who
can't be brought up the scale should be done away with "quietly
and without sorrow"?
Nah. Couldn't be.
>Germans (who are *not* nazis and who *do* want freedom) joined
>in the march and had a great time. Too bad Tilman's view is
>so narrow. He might have enjoyed himself as thousands did.
>
Ummm, so everyone who wasn't there *is* a nazi and doesn't want
freedom? Ooooh. No wonder Germany doesn't like your
money-grubbing little business organization.
>What a sad, tainted view, Tilman. Religious freedom for all
>in Germany. That's the message. But to an atheiest, of course,
>this is scary. Perhaps, just perhaps you *do* have an after
>life and perhaps, just perhaps you *will* have to answer-up
>to some supreme being.
>
But in your case is the supreme being going to be Xenu or
Source? You don't have any other religious belief do you? Are
you mixing practices? What if a person doesn't have $300,000 and
can't afford religious freedom through scientology? What if they
want to do some of the OT material but want to continue being
Catholic or Lutheran? Are you going to tell them about Xenu? Are
you going to let them "mix practices"?
>Guess what. Not *all* of the marchers were Scientologists.
>What a surprise. Other people want freedom, its just that
>the Scientologists are willing to fight for it for themselves
>and others.
>
That's quite likely true. Though the police did set the # of
people much lower than scientology did, though that's not
unusual. After all, they have been claiming 8 million members
for a long time now. The other people who want freedom were the
opposing protesters, ErinA. All scientology wants is the freedom
to make money, make money, make more money. It's a business
scam, pure and simple. Ask them about Xenu and the Wall of Fire
<tm>.
>And, my famiily and I are very glad they do.
>
Why, are you a critic?
James
Andreas Heldal-Lund
On 27 Oct 1997 09:06:19 -0800, ErinAnderson wrote:
> Poor Tilman, slightly outnumbered, eh? I have it on fairly
> good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
> march through Berlin. The traffic stopped. Many, many true
> Germans (who are *not* nazis and who *do* want freedom) joined
> in the march and had a great time. Too bad Tilman's view is
> so narrow. He might have enjoyed himself as thousands did.
Tilman was there, you were not. Amen.
Yours faithfully, Andreas Heldal-Lund - Adm. TOXE CXI
_______________________________________________________
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S T O P T H E C U L T O F S C I E N T O L O G Y
Volkmar Friauf
Ted Mayett (KoX) <te...@skylink.net> wrote:
> Pictures from Berlin!!! Please.
If you take the trouble to download the VDO player from the ftp-site of
Tagesschau, the news magazine of Germany's ARD television, at
ftp://ftp.tagesschau.de/pub/ , you can view an excerpt of today's
Tagesschau at the following URL:
http://www.tagesschau.de/db/video/ts-971027-2000-scientologendemo-vdo/vi
deo.vdo
Volkmar
Tilman Hausherr
In <632hmb$3...@drn.zippo.com>, ErinAnderson wrote:
>Poor Tilman, slightly outnumbered, eh? I have it on fairly
>good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>march through Berlin. The traffic stopped. Many, many true
>Germans (who are *not* nazis and who *do* want freedom) joined
>in the march and had a great time. Too bad Tilman's view is
>so narrow. He might have enjoyed himself as thousands did.
Of course we were "outnumbered" but 2 > 1 so this doesn't mean anything.
That the traffic stopped is normal - the traffic HAS to be stopped.
Demos in Europe are different than in the US. The traffic is always
stopped so that the demonstrators are safe.
There were over hundred journalists. There were also lots of people who
were against scientology but wanted to see what it is. Nevertheless I'd
agree that there were quite a lot of clams here. Schapers reminds me of
a hooligan leader. I hope I'd never been stuck in an elevator with this
guy.
Police says 3000. You can trust their numbers, they do this
professionally. Organisers have no "method" to calculate it - they are
there just maybe once or once a year.
According to Ursula Caberta, there has recently been a huge rise of
people leaving scientology.
>What a sad, tainted view, Tilman. Religious freedom for all
>in Germany. That's the message. But to an atheiest, of course,
>this is scary. Perhaps, just perhaps you *do* have an after
>life and perhaps, just perhaps you *will* have to answer-up
>to some supreme being.
What makes you think that I am an "atheiest"?
I am also for religious freedom. But this freedom means also the freedom
to criticize a religion.
>Guess what. Not *all* of the marchers were Scientologists.
True: me. I was marching at the front, even ahead of Mike Rinder.
>What a surprise. Other people want freedom, its just that
>the Scientologists are willing to fight for it for themselves
>and others.
>
>And, my famiily and I are very glad they do.
I hope you had a good time, standing in the cold from noon till three. I
saw some nice people (even one scientologist!) there but also some real
creeps. Btw do you know who the woman in red was?
Anyway, Berlin is a nice city, and we welcome all guests. Even
scientologists. I'm sure everyone will have a nice stay.
Tilman
>
>Erin
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site with "Xenu's Link Sleuth":
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
William Barwell
In article <632n8h$b...@netaxs.com>, Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> wrote:
>ErinAnderson wrote:
>: Poor Tilman, slightly outnumbered, eh? I have it on fairly
>: good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>: march through Berlin. The traffic stopped. Many, many true
>: Germans (who are *not* nazis and who *do* want freedom) joined
>: in the march and had a great time. Too bad Tilman's view is
>: so narrow. He might have enjoyed himself as thousands did.
>
>your authority isn't so good after all. What happened to the trumpets and
>horses?
What happened to the other 7,997,000 clams?
Subtract Raelians an other cult allies, and how many Scientolgists were
there?
600,000 - 1,000,000 at the Philadelphia Million Woman March.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
William Barwell
In article <dOPV0Mdl...@islandnet.com>,>til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>
>Thanks for the report; how many culties were at this "great event"?
>
>--
>Cogito, ergo sum. Use "Xenu" in Subject: line of email.
DAYYYUMMMMMMNN! I got Erin's crap, but Tilman's report
didn't make it to Neosoft! @#$@%%!!!
Alan Furman
In article <19971027191...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
LilAlex742 <lilal...@aol.com> wrote:
>Erin snorted:
> > I have it on fairly
>>good authority that there were over 10,000 people on the
>>march through Berlin.
>
>But I read Reuters claims:
>>Police estimated the size of the demonstration at 3,000 while >Scientology
>>organisers said there 6,500.
>
>But I guess it doesn't matter because you are always going to believe what's
> true for you. To bad its not true for everyone else.
$cientology is the "Never give a subjectivist an even break" religion.
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MikeSmith3
MikeSmith3
On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:31:46 GMT, hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
>William Barwell (wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote:
>
>snip
>
>: The recent Burning Man festival in Arizona had 12,000 and
>: it was in the middle of a stinking desert and you had to pay
>: $75.00 plus transportation to attend,not to mention camping
>:gear.
Barwell not only went to the wrong event he lost his 75 bucks and got a lot of
odd looks from the Navajos.
>Navada.
Henson, despite his confusion looking for road signs spelled "Navada", did
manage to find it but left fuming when he discovered it wasn't a seminar on
Usenet flaming techniques.
Keith Henson
MikeSmith3 (mikes...@aol.com) wrote:
: On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:31:46 GMT, hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
: >William Barwell (wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote:
: >
: >snip
: >
: >: The recent Burning Man festival in Arizona had 12,000 and
: >: it was in the middle of a stinking desert and you had to pay
: >: $75.00 plus transportation to attend,not to mention camping
: >:gear.
: Barwell not only went to the wrong event he lost his 75 bucks and got a
: lot of odd looks from the Navajos.
The point is still that a pagan fun festival out in the middle of
*nowhere* got from 2-6 times as many people to come to it as scientology
could muster in a life or death struggle with the German government.
: >Navada.
: Henson, despite his confusion looking for road signs spelled "Navada", did
: manage to find it but left fuming when he discovered it wasn't a seminar on
: Usenet flaming techniques.
Nevada. Spelling is not my strongest point. But, Mike3, what gives you
the idea that I would be interested in a a seminar on Usenet flaming
techniques? Maybe to teach one perhaps. :-)
However, this set does point out the ability of Usenet to converge on
fact, even as trivial as spelling. If you have any question about
something which is said, watch the followups and see not if it is
confirmed, but it is refuted.
Keith Henson
Geoffrey Burling
On 27 Oct 1997 20:08:51 -0600, wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William
Barwell) saith:
>In article <632hmb$3...@drn.zippo.com>, <ErinAnderson> wrote:
[snip]
> That's the message. But to an atheiest, of course,
>>this is scary.
>
>It is scary how many idiots on the net cannot spell Atheist to save their
>lives. It must be the most mispelled word on the net except possibly
>'rediculous'.
>
Pope, the word is spelled ``ridiculous". Now write out 500 times ``It
is ridiculous to spell ridiculous incorrectly."
You are not permitted to pick on thinking-impared Scienos until you
finish this task. ;-)
Geoff
Olympic-Class Spelling Pedant
Return address altered to foil spambots. Change ``cyberpromo"
to``agora", & your email will reach me.
Tilman Hausherr
In <3455cc51...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman
Hausherr) wrote:
>
>I have three rolls of film, now I'll try to get some scanning
>arrangements.
I got them processed. Sadly many of them are too dark - probably because
the light was from the wrong direction. I have found two volunteers for
scanning, but don't expect it to be on the net very soon.
Tilman