Lemme guess now.... Cleariing Course - Clear in a week - cost $3000.
Grade processing plus all sorts of other nonsense - Clear in four years
- cost $70,000.
"scientologate" <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ha ha don't exagerate.... I don't know anyone who got clear in 4 years
> man !
> They now all spend at least 300.000 euro to get there and another
> 400.000 to get up to OT8.
>
> Pieter
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> RolandRB schreef:
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>According to LRH the heart of the R6 bank is GPM's.
According to LRH's all overriding priority you should be robbed of all
your money. I thought you already had that realization?
I'm wondering why you are now still plastering the newsgroups with
advertisements for the nonsensical "wares" you lost all of that money
on?
Are you still working for the $cientology sect, or are you just
foolish enough to do their bidding?
And how about your croonies? Will you take responsability for them or
not?
Hubbard was full of rubbish. Lets accept that. Don't give him credit
for the nonsense he wrote. He wrote a lot of that. Life is much easier
to live if you do *NOT* believe in all that nonsense.
Or would you lose income if you would admit all that?
What's it gonna be boy?
--
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
scientologate wrote:
> According to LRH the heart of the R6 bank is GPM's.
>
> They should be handled by doing the Clearing Course.
>
> LRH even made this Clearing Course on video and had a lot of success in
> Saint Hill late 60's.
>
> Why was this "heart of the tech" canceled in the 70's without any
> explanation after publishing KSW-1 ?
>
>
>
>
> Pieter
Providing no benefit to the receiver, I assume you mean. I am sure that
money was of benefit to the "Church". They have lawyers to pay and
semi-automatic weapons to buy, I hope you realise.
The Clearing Course isn't cancelled. Where did you get the idea it was?
It's an old pattern.
The Clearing Course consists of lists of "Implant GPMs," which are
essentially "engrams."
Before the Clearing Course existed, the idea was that only by
addressing "actual GPMs" was true clearing possible. "Actual GPMs," per
Hubbard's system of psychology, are a completely different class of
critter. (Which I won't bother explaining at this time.)
The addressing of "actual GPMs" was also abandoned without explanation.
Why?
The not particularly palatable reason is that, for Hubbard, as much as
he liked playing around with it at times, the more benign aspects of
the "tech" were mainly _secondary_. As the saying goes, they were
"window dressing."
_Primary_ was something else. And that "something else" was not about
"counseling" or "helping people."
The more benign aspects of the subject were the medium in which the
non-benign aspect could be conveyed.
Hubbard needed to build a system of "mental healing" as a disguise for
what he was _really doing_.
(And, yes, call me crazy, but that "disguise" or "window dressing,"
IMO, is not without its positive attributes. - And it _had_ to have
"positive attributes.")
Back to the messy original topic:
Hubbard wrote, around 1978, of how concerned he was about the
reputation of Dianetics. He also discussed this concern with David
Mayo.
Hubbard was concerned that people might not think well of Dianetics,
since it didn't "make clears." He was very concerned about his
"legacy," and his "image." He had even ordered a "Messiah Survey" to
determine "what characteristics people like in their messiahs." (For PR
use.) In Hubbard's mind, the reputation of Dianetics was at stake, and
Dianetics was identified with HIM - Dianetics, one way or another,
would have to start "making clears."
That was "alarm bell" number one.
Around this same time, Hubbard was shown the "page proofs" (rough
draft) for the first edition of the book, 'What is Scientology'. It
featured a graph of the number of "clears," year by year, starting in
1966. The graph, by 1977, was beginning to level out.
That was "alarm bell" number two.
Around this time, also, Hubbard had come up with "NOTs," and this was a
potential big money maker, and was "up lines." (And not in the Missions
[Franchises], which was another area that was on his mind, and bugging
him.) With people taking extended periods of time on the R6 EW/Clearing
Course part of the "Bridge" [usually not at Flag], the "flow on the
Bridge" was too slow, and people would be taking too long to arrive at
"NOTs" [at Flag].
"Solution" to all the above: Say, "Most (not all) people 'go clear' on
Dianetics," and push them up to NOTS (and to Flag) as fast as possible.
At this point, Hubbard was more concerned than ever with MONEY, and
establishing the "monument" that was to be left behind in his honor. He
wanted the money NOW, so he could be the one to decide how it would be
spent - on his ego glorification/preservation project.
Hubbard had "discovered" that (because Dianetics was so darned
effective), just about anyone _was already clear_ and should get "up
lines" FAST.
This "discovery" is usually blended in with Hubbard deciding that
"clears should not be run on Dianetics," which is a conclusion shared
by some, but most definitely not by all. (See, for example the writings
of Geoff Filbert, Jack Horner, and - later - even David Mayo.) If an
engram is basically a trauma, including cellular trauma, then why would
not a "clear" be able to confront and resolve it?
And then there is the issue of multiple definitions for "clear": the
idea that a "Dianetic Clear" has NO (his own) "mental image picture
case," but yet has (his own) out-of-control "postulates." (And yet is
"clear." And yet REALLY isn't clear since, now he needs the "False
Purpose Rundown" - and then.... and then... and then...)
And by "his own" is meant, _other than_ Body Thetans, which is (are)
another layer - or series of layers - of "case."
"Why?" (You asked, above.)
It's a lot of different things.
And, basically a mess, or at least it looks that way to a well meaning
"tech person," who hasn't yet been completely "zapped" by the
Brainwashing part of the Hubbardian
half-enlightenment/half-brainwashing assembly line.
To a fully "zapped" person, all is well. There are no problems. His
"needle is floating."
But it was always messy: Even with the Clearing Course, there was soon
"OT 2," which was - for a time" - a kind of "Clearing Course part 2,"
while people were yet being announced as "clear," after the "Clearing
Course," which did not address ACTUAL GPMS, which according to Hubbard,
for years previously, were IT.
Till he decided otherwise.
To summarize: The "subject/operation" of "Scientology" (Inc.), as
designed by Hubbard - In order of importance:
1) Hubbard's Ego
2) Money
3) Control over people, power, influence
4) Details of the more benign aspects of the counseling tech
For the well intentioned, #4 is presumed to be the top priority. It
isn't and it wasn't.
And people have been witnessing this arrangement of priorities in
action, probably since the 1950s - and certainly since the 1960s.
And some people, assuming #4 should be at the top of the list, wonder
what is going on.
However, the deeper the person's indoctrination, the less wondering
occurs.
And, as a further attempt at an explanation:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.clearing.technology/msg/2e9f4afd4aff2d3c
By the way, people who insist that "It's _all_ rubbish," are playing
into the hands of the Cult, since the subject is DESIGNED to not be ALL
rubbish.
Cult PR people and Cult sales people find the "It's all rubbish" people
annoying, but really don't mind them as much as they do someone who
_describes_, in detail, the subject and operation of (Hubbard's)
Scientology (Inc.).
And that means, also, describing the twinkling ornaments of truth,
dangling appealingly, upon the Hubbardian mind-trap.
Well written, Muldoon.
Yes, there had to be some workable aspects --or aspects that could be
made to seem to work in clinical conditions, or no one would be
convincing themselves to try just a little more to see if they can
somehow get ALL the promised results.
Chris Owen and others have done extensive research (*real* research,
not Scientology's definition of it) on from where those pieces came,
and none were original to Hubbard, although he presented them as such.
I find it sad that so many people try to rescue the raisins from the
turd, simply because the turd is familiar, when you can get a clean box
of raisins for free elsewhere.
-maggie, human being
One additional link to a number of sources of info related to the topic
this thread:
An excellent point I forgot to make.
--
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
"Boudewijn van Ingen" <bo...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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The 1959-1963 official Hubbard theory was that all "engrams" were
essentially "locks" (secondary, follow-up connections to, or "key ins")
"on top of" the person's own "Goals, Problems, and Mass."
At that time, all "engrams" were regarded as "locks" in relationship to
a deeper and more powerful influence.
Yet, there is also the old definition of lock, as a "lock" on an
"engram."
"Lock" mainly denotes a "key in" of something.
This is noted, otherwise the use of the term "lock" may be confusing in
this context.