Operation Reunion
Kevin Brady
Let me back up.
I am a former scientologist, who was married to a staff member and a staff
member myself at the Boston Day organization back in 1989-90. In 1997, my
ex-wife completely disconnected from me such that she disappeared with my
children. I knew where she went, at first, but lacked the resources and
focus to do something about it, and was also, at that time, convinced that
my declare from the Church of Scientology was valid, and that I really was a
suppressive and degraded being. Thus, I thought maybe my ex-wife and the
children were better off without me. By the time I got it together, it was
many years later, and they weren't at the address they had been at, and I
had no way of getting information as to where they went, and still didn't
want ot involve "the authorities", because I was worried about the Church or
Nitza coming after me for "back child support" while also having a difficult
time confronting the fact that I had been absent from my children's lives
for so long.
Every once in a while, I've taken a stab at trying to find them. Since
2004, I've known they were in Tarzana, CA, because my son placed highly in a
science fair and made google, and then really did well in the US Math
Olympiad (perfect score), as well as the CalTech Java Challenge. I was able
to track them back to his sponsor school, Magnolia Science Academy. I
wrote letters to him, but they always came back marked that the recipient
would not receive them.
Then, about a month ago, a friend of mine told me an old ARMY buddy wanted
to get in touch with me, and that the best way would be to get in touch with
him through myspace.com, by creating my own profile and messaging him. So I
did this. Then, a few weeks later, I decided to browse and see if I could
find any of my kids on myspace. At first, all I found was a private entry
for their mother, with no information. Then I searched hard on various
terms for my daughter, and finally found her.
Since then, I've messaged her a bunch of times and sent her several emails,
and commented on her blog. She has never responded, directly.
However, recently, she changed her profile, and added a poem I put in her
blog as something which is now on her front page, in her "about me" section.
So, she's seeing my messages, and is incorporating them into her page.
I'm very, very interested in reuniting with my son and daughter, and very
pained about how my daughter feels about herself, knowing it has something
to do with abandonment issues.
I am hoping that people here who know my posting history, or who know how
the Church of Scientology destroys families, will help me get back in direct
touch with her by testifying to her about what they know, and encouraging
her to get in touch.
If you are interested in this contact me at gomo...@hotmail.com, and once
we've established some level of trust, I'll give you her myspace
information, and maybe you can message her for me. The more people she
hears from about how such things happen in scientology families, the more
likely she is to see that perhaps she doesn't have the whole story, and she
should get in touch. I don't want to overwhelm her, but I would like to
make an impression that there's another story she doesn't know about, and
that perhaps she could benefit greatly from knowing her father. I have
contacts that can help, once she gets in touch with me. She's a really
precocious 12 year old, as my son is at 15. Both myself and their mother
went to college 2-3 years early, and I think that both of these kids
probably could, too. I'd love to pay for their education, and do whatever I
can for them, to make their lives as good as possible now and down the road.
I can't make up for lost time, and I am not interested in making excuses,
but I could use some help undoing the damage the Church has done to my
family.
banchukita
Kevin,
I understand how eager and desperate you must feel to reunite with your
children. However, you're asking someone to help you create a situation
where your children *must* pit you against their mother, and without
her knowledge. While it might make you feel better, it might not give
them much peace of mind if they still have to live with her, and they
might not need that kind of stress at 12 and 15.
I would suggest the alternative of doing something legally about being
able to see your children. If you didn't file anything up to this point
about her taking the children and vanishing, you need to address it
legally now. See a lawyer.
I'd have much more respect for a dad who fought for the right to see me
than who sneaks on to my MySpace just to say hi.
Just my two cents,
-maggie, human being
realpch
Well it's great you've made some kind of contact. I really hope she
eventually speaks directly with you, Kevin.
Peach
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Kevin Brady
"banchukita" <banch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, I'm asking people to help my daughter understand the types of pressures
that were brought to bear in order to separate me from my children. This
necessarily would have to occur without my ex-wife's knowledge, since she is
the one preventing open communication.
> While it might make you feel better, it might not give
> them much peace of mind if they still have to live with her, and they
> might not need that kind of stress at 12 and 15.
I'm not asking people to attack my ex, or to promote the idea that she is
bad. I am/was asking people to help by informing these children of the
policies of this Church. I'm by no means sure that they are still involved
in it, btw, or that the ex is. She identifies as Jewish on myspace.
> I would suggest the alternative of doing something legally about being
> able to see your children. If you didn't file anything up to this point
> about her taking the children and vanishing, you need to address it
> legally now. See a lawyer.
I have visitation rights that have been infringed. I could see a lawyer
about getting those enforced. But I'm not interested in force, or in
causing major upset. I'm interested in communication, if they are willing,
and in bringing about that willingness.
> I'd have much more respect for a dad who fought for the right to see me
> than who sneaks on to my MySpace just to say hi.
Sneaks? She didn't have to put up a public profile in a public space. I am
not "sneaking" onto her myspace. I posted comments on her blog, and she
took some of them and used them as her "about me" section on her profile.
Doesn't seem like she objects. She hasn't written back to me yet, but I
imagine it's a bit intimidating to do so.
And I wasn't just saying hi. I was trying to establish a communication
channel. I don't have to ask her mother. I am her father, I'm not a
convict of any crime, I never did anything wrong by my children or my wife,
and there is no justification for keeping us apart. The fact that I don't
want to upset her life and force visitation on them doesn't mean I think
it's right what their mother did.
> Just my two cents,
> -maggie, human being
I appreciate those cents. I get a little incensed about the idea that I'm
doing something underhanded. I'm not. I wrote to her mother, first, and
I've written letters to both her and my son at their residence. It's no
secret I'm trying to get in touch.
The reason I'm trying to enlist others is because some people know me from
long correspondence, and can testify that I have been trying to get in touch
with them since about 1999, actively, and others can testify that the
disconnection policy has destroyed many families, etc. This isn't to set
the kids against their mother: it's to encourage them to get in touch with
their father, and to look at the fact that an injustice has been done. I
never say anything bad about their mother, only that the enforcement of that
policy has been detrimental, and that I didn't want it to be this way.
Thanks, though, anyway.
>
Kevin Brady
poems. She could contact me at any point, now. I'm excited at the
prospect, life will be much more meaningful for me if I can be reunited with
my children.
"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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barbz
Don't ask a bunch of strangers to contact her, Kevin. Go slowly. You
have a lot of time to gradually regain her trust. And maybe you
shouldn't talk about it here. The walls have ears.
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RolandRB
barbz schrieb:
Yep, OSA will already be getting together the Dead Agent pack on you.
Kevin Brady
"barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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I'm not. I was asking those who know me to contact me. Or for help from
people who know the way disconnection works.
> Go slowly. You have a lot of time to gradually regain her trust.
Well, maybe. Who knows how long I have, or whether I CAN regain her trust.
> And maybe you shouldn't talk about it here. The walls have ears.
Well, that's probably smart, if the family is still involved with the
Church. Too late!
banchukita
I guess asking someone else to pass on messages on a MySpace seems a
little underhanded at face value.
Who knows what pressure she is under to not communicate with you? Is
she ready to deal with that?
When I was about ten years old, my older sister was basically kicked
out of the house and I was under the impression my parents didn't want
her to contact me. While I got an occasional letter from her, and my
parents never kept those letters from me, there was still a great deal
of pressure associated with me *initiating* contact or responding to
and encouraging those letters. I don't think my parents even realized
how much pressure there was; I missed my sister greatly, but I also
loved my parents, and did not wish to make my parents believe I was
"taking sides". Whether it was actually like that or not, that's how I
perceived the situation. This went on for some years.
I don't think you intend to place your kids in a difficult situation;
you're simply trying to be available for them. I'm sure it's
frustrating as hell for you, and I wish you patience and a successful
result. Simply to let them know that you've not given up and still love
them is wonderful, with no pressure for response on their part.
-maggie, human being
Kevin Brady
happened with your sister. I agree that my communicating with her in this
manner may put pressures on her that are unwanted, and yet I have to balance
that with the situation as it is, and see that it is probably an unwanted
condition that she believes her father abandoned her and doesn't want to
know her.
And I am not looking for dozens of strangers to contact her about my
situation vis-a-vis the disconnection, but a FEW would deliver the effect.
That's why I didn't post her myspace address here.
But I get your point, and it WOULD be wierd to receive such messages as a
kid, and overwhelming. I appreciate that, and I've thought about that, but
again, I think it's better for her to have the facts and a correct
indication of what happened than for her to be in a coccoon of ignorance,
even if that ignorance is somewhat blissful.
Again, thanks for your feedback!
Kevin Brady
likely shown to them already.
I'm not afraid of the OSA goons or their tactics. I think it's important to
get my message across while I have a window. They can't take that away from
her, and one day it will indicate properly, and she'll contact me.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"banchukita" <banch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
To say nothing of the fact that sooner or later the children will find the
archive of this thread, and might decide that their father used them in a
custody situation. This does not lead to respect of any kind.
Kevin Brady
"Rev. Norle Enturbulata" <noteart...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote in
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Used them in a custody situation? Absurd. I'm not involved in any legal
action at this time, and the "custody situation" is already totally
determined. I'm not trying to change that. I'm trying to STOP an abuse of
existing court orders and divorce/custody agreement, in which I was granted
visitation rights, which are being violated. Nor am I in any way trying to
"use" the children in regards to it. I'm just trying to get in touch, so
that they know I am here, and that I've always been available and willing to
help as a father should.
Of course, and the reverend of enturbulation, you misinterpreted my actions
and misattributed my intent, and then made wrong indications. Not really
very surprising.
Ed
Kevin Brady wrote:
>
> I think it's close, peach. She's quoting me in her profile, one of my
> poems. She could contact me at any point, now. I'm excited at the
> prospect, life will be much more meaningful for me if I can be reunited with
> my children.
>
Hi Kevin -- I'd recommend you get in touch with Grace Aaron
and with Tory, both of them being in the LA area, and maybe just post
a simple and short message on your daughter's blog saying very
briefly: I love you, you know how to reach me, I don't want to and I'm
not going to put any pressure on you, and here's a couple of sites
where you can read about, or see videos of, other people telling their
stories about where Scn has broken up their families and how they have
tried to deal with it. Tory and Grace probably would have a good idea
what sites would be best for you to recommend.
Ed
Muldoon
Ed wrote:
> Kevin Brady wrote:
> >
> > I think it's close, peach. She's quoting me in her profile, one of my
> > poems. She could contact me at any point, now. I'm excited at the
> > prospect, life will be much more meaningful for me if I can be reunited with
> > my children.
> >
>
> Hi Kevin -- I'd recommend you get in touch with Grace Aaron
> and with Tory, both of them being in the LA area, and maybe just post
> a simple and short message on your daughter's blog saying very
-second half of paragraph snipped-
>
> Ed
>
My "2 cents" are that the first half of this paragraph (above) is
excellent advice.
A little bit goes a long way.
-snip-
Kevin Brady
"Ed" <met...@aol.com> wrote in message news:4443A1D0...@aol.com...
>
>
> Kevin Brady wrote:
>>
>> I think it's close, peach. She's quoting me in her profile, one of my
>> poems. She could contact me at any point, now. I'm excited at the
>> prospect, life will be much more meaningful for me if I can be reunited
>> with
>> my children.
>>
>
> Hi Kevin -- I'd recommend you get in touch with Grace Aaron
> and with Tory, both of them being in the LA area, and maybe just post
> a simple and short message on your daughter's blog saying very
> briefly: I love you, you know how to reach me, I don't want to and I'm
> not going to put any pressure on you, and here's a couple of sites
> where you can read about, or see videos of, other people telling their
> stories about where Scn has broken up their families and how they have
> tried to deal with it. Tory and Grace probably would have a good idea
> what sites would be best for you to recommend.
>
> Ed
Thanks, Ed. I've already had some back-channel comm with Grace about this,
and will be calling her today. And I've already made some comments like
that, although I didn't give her links to such material. I did point out
that I was NOT going to do anything in court or try to upset her life in any
way, and that I'd be here for her when she decides to get in touch. I do
ask her to get in touch, and point out how her life can be enriched through
contact with the "other half" of her family, including her aunts and uncles
and grandparents and cousins. While this might be construed as a little bit
of emotional pressure, it's not any force, and I'm not threatening to take
determinism away from her. Nor would I, ever.
Barbara...@gmail.com
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"Kevin Brady" <gomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:
Flesha
banchukita wrote:
> I guess asking someone else to pass on messages on a MySpace seems a
> little underhanded at face value.
>
> Who knows what pressure she is under to not communicate with you? Is
> she ready to deal with that?
>
> When I was about ten years old, my older sister was basically kicked
> out of the house and I was under the impression my parents didn't want
> her to contact me. While I got an occasional letter from her, and my
> parents never kept those letters from me, there was still a great deal
> of pressure associated with me *initiating* contact or responding to
> and encouraging those letters. I don't think my parents even realized
> how much pressure there was; I missed my sister greatly, but I also
> loved my parents, and did not wish to make my parents believe I was
> "taking sides". Whether it was actually like that or not, that's how I
> perceived the situation. This went on for some years.
>
> I don't think you intend to place your kids in a difficult situation;
> you're simply trying to be available for them. I'm sure it's
> frustrating as hell for you, and I wish you patience and a successful
> result. Simply to let them know that you've not given up and still love
> them is wonderful, with no pressure for response on their part.
>
>
> -maggie, human being
I was a child in an acrimonius divorce.
Maggie is about 1000% right.
Your daughter would feel like she is actually going *against* her
mother and her existing family if she initated contact with you. No
matter how badly she may want to.
I'm sure you don't understand why.
It really doesn't matter that you don't understand.
It's just true.
Listen to Maggie.
Don't put your children in the position where they have to be the one
"responsible" for ANYTHING in this situation.
Kevin Brady
"Barbara...@thunderstar.com" <Barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Anybody is guilty but yourself, isn't that what you are saying, KGB?
Looking for a button, Nutsy?
> I don't know how you were with your family but if you you treated them
> like me in your abusive postings, I am not suprised that they don't want
> to be with you.
Yeah, you already said that, you maliciously crazy nutter. Or don't some of
your valences know what the others are saying?
Kevin Brady
perceived as a lot of pressure. And for the record, I AM part of her
existing family, just a part that her mother has very unethically, and
likely illegally, prevented from seeing them.
"Flesha" <msca...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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torocanyon
and your family to be whole. go get em..
realpch
>
> I think it's close, peach. She's quoting me in her profile, one of my
> poems. She could contact me at any point, now. I'm excited at the
> prospect, life will be much more meaningful for me if I can be reunited with
> my children.
>
Yeah, well, now listen to Maggie. I'm hoping it will work out somehow.
Best,
Kevin Brady
!
"torocanyon" <kcass...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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blackdove
Hi Kevin,
This is so heartbreaking to read... thanks so much for even sharing...
which yet again proves how damaging to families the disconnection
policy is.
I think Ed's advice is good... if I were in your daughter's shoes, I'd
feel pretty overwhelmed myself if strangers were sending me messages.
But I feel your pain, and if I could help, I would... I just don't have
any personal experience that would be helpful to her in this case,
other than friending her and letting her know her dad misses her.
I think the fact that she added the poem to her site is VERY
heartening, and a very strong tell... I would encourage you to keep
sending her messages, or putting up messages for her on your myspace,
with links, etc. Just letting her know she's loved. I'm sure the time
will come when you will be able to tell her everything. I sure hope
so.
I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts.
-blackdove