The Betrayal of Bob Minton
Feisty
http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/recog/betrayal.htm
The Betrayal of Bob Minton
In Fall 2001, Deanna Holmes and several other people were busy annoying Bob Minton by
publicly deriding him on the alt.religion.scientology news group. This annoyed Minton, and
he complained about it to several people. One of those he complained to was Ken Dandar,
lawyer for the Lisa McPherson estate in a wrongful death lawsuit against Scientology.
Dandar, in turn, told the news group posters that they were annoying Minton, and the
negative postings subsequently stopped. This was adequate proof for the Mintons that
Dandar had control over the annoying postings. Mintons, as in two of them. Another person
Minton told about this was a woman by the name of Therese Minton, his wife.
Years ago, Minton gave Scientology what it needed to stop him from funding
anti-Scientology litigation. As long as his wife continued to give him her support, he
would continue. Despite many difficulties, Therese stuck with Bob, just so long as he
remained a man of principle.
The principles fell apart in February 2002. Dandar told Minton the McPherson case needed
more money if it was to continue. Minton hesitated, but finally relented with a check for
$300,000. As it turned out, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. The Mintons,
and others by now, suspected that Dandar both had control over those who were disparaging
the McPherson estate's benefactor, and that Dandar was mismanaging the McPherson case.
In short, by giving people who publicly reviled him that much money, Minton was both
supporting unprincipled behavior and exercising poor judgment in handling the Mintons'
money. Therese gave the ultimatum: get the money back or stop the fight. Minton argued but
lost. He asked Dandar to return the money, but the lawyer said it had already been spent.
That left Bob one path to saving his married life. Seek settlement. He approached
Scientology leader Mike Rinder with a heavy heart but was fully resigned to the task at
hand.
As a matter of fact, Rinder already had a precondition. Minton would have to make a clean
breast of the Lisa McPherson case. Minton was shocked that Rinder knew enough to make this
allusion. It turned out Minton had falsified a statement he made for the McPherson case.
Minton was to later assert that not only was Ken Dandar privy to his misconduct, but had
encouraged him. Rinder, Minton was convinced, had to have had an inside informant and who
else, Minton wandered out loud in his testimony, but Patricia Greenway would have means,
motive and opportunity to do so.
This brought the millionaire to a realization. If he had not approached Rinder to settle
his differences with Scientology, then Scientology would have had the equivalent of
blackmail material on him. This would have been especially significant after Scientology
settled the McPherson case. Besides the millions he had already given Dandar, the
anti-Scientology crusader would have been liable to the cult for millions more. In
reality, whatever the McPherson case was settled for would likely have come from Minton's
own pocket via Scientology.
Minton breathed a heavy sigh of relief and let Dandar know that he was going to testify
against him for Scientology. The suspicions that Dandar was an unprincipled man were soon
confirmed. The slanderous campaign against Minton was renewed within days. It started with
malicious speculation, and eventually transcended the bounds of common sense almost
completely into the realm of the fantastic. When the legal situation demanded the
fantastic accusations against Minton come to an end in the United States, responsibility
for the false accusations was merely shifted overseas. Within weeks Martin Ottmann came up
with an unbelievably distorted list of wrongoing that easily competed with Scientology's
earlier allegations against Minton of moneylaundering.
Background on "The Betrayal of Bob Minton"
Every single detail of "The Betrayal of Bob Minton" is not guaranteed fact. It is the best
reconstruction that can be made with the facts at hand concerning events surrounding Bob
Minton's attempt to settle with Scientology.
The reason this was not published sooner is that there was some doubt as to whether Minton
was actually sympathetic with Scientology. Time has shown this doubt to be unfounded.
Minton has not endorsed Scientology in any way. Nor did Minton betray critics en masse to
the cult. Although Minton betrayed Ken Dandar, he was no harsher on Dandar than he was on
himself.
Minton was not blackmailed. More than one person was very interested in nailing the cult
on this. As a result several people who were very close to Minton went to extraordinary
lengths to find out if foul play was involved. The result was unanimous that Minton was
not the victim of blackmail.
Certain people who Minton had aided financially betrayed him. This was done to their own
advantage, so that Minton ended up paying twice, once in cash and again in repute.
Minton was not in danger of being convicted for perjury or money laundering; one of his
betrayers was in danger of being convicted for corruption. Minton was not publicly aiding
Scientology's propaganda war against critics; his betrayers were. Minton did not throw
news group alt.religion.scientology into such an uproar that Scientology's anti-psych-bots
could take a vacation, again it was his betrayers. Minton did not post unauthorized
documents that had not been released by the court to the Internet; that was his betrayers.
Most importantly, Minton did not run to the press to betray his betrayers, but did what
any civic-minded citizen should do; he went to court. Whether we agree with him or not, in
this respect at least, he did the right thing.
Sincerely,
Your friends at Lermanet
Tigger Tigger
(snip)
Dear Feisty,
Tell your "friend" Lerma, to quit hiding behind "Friends of Lermanet"
and sign his name to his bullshit or else someone might decide you are
the "friends" and sue you.
Tigger
Larry T.
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Well thank goodness your plane did not crash after all.
It was really bad weather that day wasn't it? At least it seemed like it
around here for a spell.
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Kevin Brady
> Feisty wrote:
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>>http://www.
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> Can't the guy defend himself? He made some bad money deals with the
> Caberta woman in Germany and so on. Do you find that GOOD? Does he pay
> you to defend himself and post for him? How much do you get?
>
That's right. Everyone here is being paid by psychiatry, and receiving
Minton-bucks, to boot.
Now, cut and paste some more, moron.
--
"Our war has been forced to become 'To take over absolutely the field of
mental healing on this planet in all forms.'
That was not the original purpose. The original purpose was to clear
Earth. The battles suffered developed the data that we had an enemy who
would have to be gotten out of the way and this meant that we were at war …
By showing him to be brutal, venal and plotting we get him discarded.
Our direct assault will come when they start to arrest his principals
and troops for crimes (already begun).
Our total victory will come when we run his organisations, perform his
functions and obtain his financing and appropriations."
-- L. Ron Hubbard
"The WAR", 2 Dec 69
Kevin Brady
> Kevin Brady wrote:
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>>auto...@yahoo.com wrote:
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>>>Feisty wrote:
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>>>>http://www.
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> Can't the guy defend himself?
Yes, but I enjoy toying with you.
> He made some bad money deals with the
> Caberta woman in Germany and so on.
Really? That's fascinating. Doesn't have much to do with scientology,
though.
> Do you find that GOOD?
I don't really care. I do care about the abuse of the legal system that
the Church of Scientology commits in every country they are found, and
about the destruction they wreak on families.
> Does he pay
> you to defend himself and post for him?
How did you know!
> How much do you get?
I am payed in frankincense and myrrh.
As much as a I can carry.
> Minton is known for having given large amounts sums to others to
> support them in their hate war against SCN.
God bless him. I only wish he'd been able to secure justice in the Lisa
McPherson affair.
BTW, are you guys still infiltrating government agencies and subverting
national security?
Tigger
Feisty wrote:
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/recog/betrayal.htm
>
> The Betrayal of Bob Minton
>
> In Fall 2001, Deanna Holmes and several other people were busy annoying Bob Minton by
> publicly deriding him on the alt.religion.scientology news group. This annoyed Minton, and
> he complained about it to several people. One of those he complained to was Ken Dandar,
> lawyer for the Lisa McPherson estate in a wrongful death lawsuit against Scientology.
> Dandar, in turn, told the news group posters that they were annoying Minton, and the
> negative postings subsequently stopped. This was adequate proof for the Mintons that
> Dandar had control over the annoying postings.
Well the "Mintons" were wrong. Mr. Dandar had absolutely nothing to do
with any posts about Minton. Minton offered to loan some money to
help get the Lisa wrongful death suit to trial. These "posters" of
which I was one, decided of our own free choice to give up our freedom
of speech for a greater cause.....
getting a little justice for Lisa McPherson and Lisa's family.
>Mintons, as in two of them.
> Another person
> Minton told about this was a woman by the name of Therese Minton, his wife.
Gee, what happened to Minton's mistress, Stacy Brooks?
>
> Years ago, Minton gave Scientology what it needed to stop him from funding
> anti-Scientology litigation. As long as his wife continued to give him her support, he
> would continue. Despite many difficulties, Therese stuck with Bob, just so long as he
> remained a man of principle.
"A man of principle?" This "man of principle" was shacking up with
his mistress and his wife supported him? Guess mistresses don't
matter....apparently only money matters to a man and woman of
"principle".
>
> The principles fell apart in February 2002. Dandar told Minton the McPherson case needed
> more money if it was to continue. Minton hesitated, but finally relented with a check for
> $300,000.
Minton offered that money if posters on a.r.s. would stop posting about
him.
While Minton was offering this deal, his mistress Stacy Brooks was
contacting Mike Rinder, Head of OSA to make a deal with Scientology.
>As it turned out, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. The Mintons,
> and others by now, suspected that Dandar both had control over those who were disparaging
> the McPherson estate's benefactor, and that Dandar was mismanaging the McPherson case.
Who were these "others"? Mr. Dandar had no control over the a.r.s.
posters. And he was not mismanaging the McPherson case.
>
> In short, by giving people who publicly reviled him that much money, Minton was both
> supporting unprincipled behavior and exercising poor judgment in handling the Mintons'
> money. Therese gave the ultimatum: get the money back or stop the fight. Minton argued but
> lost. He asked Dandar to return the money, but the lawyer said it had already been spent.
So where's Stacy Brooks in this fairy tale?
And fairy tale it is. Scientology found out this "man of principle"
had used fictitious "European Friends" to get his Swiss Bank money into
the United States not only to loan money to the wrongful death case
attorney, but to put in his (Minton's) own pocket.....apparently
bypassing U.S. income taxes and lying to and using innocent people to
help him do it.
> That left Bob one path to saving his married life. Seek settlement. He approached
> Scientology leader Mike Rinder with a heavy heart but was fully resigned to the task at
> hand.
Gee, you mean he could keep his mistress? What a great wife! She
even let the mistress approach Mike Rinder with Minton to make the
settlement, meet 10 to 12 times with Rinder without their attorneys or
her (the money concerned wife) being prersent. If Mrs. Minton was so
concerned, why didn't she appear in court to "stand by her man" when
this "man of principle" lied over and over again for the "church" of
Scientology?
>
> As a matter of fact, Rinder already had a precondition. Minton would have to make a clean
> breast of the Lisa McPherson case. Minton was shocked that Rinder knew enough to make this
> allusion.
What Minton had to do for Rinder, in addition to making other cases go
away, was to make the Lisa wrongful death suit "go away" any which way
he could.
>It turned out Minton had falsified a
statement he made for the McPherson case.
Minton falsified many statements to make a deal with SCN, even going so
far as submitting his recantations to the COS attorneys for their
approval. This "man of principle" even tried to get other people to
commit perjury with him for the "church" of Scientology.
> Minton was to later assert that not only was Ken Dandar privy to his misconduct, but had
> encouraged him. Rinder, Minton was convinced, had to have had an inside informant and who
> else, Minton wandered out loud in his testimony, but Patricia Greenway would have means,
> motive and opportunity to do so.
Means, motive and opportunity......that sounds like Stacy Brooks, the
mistress who expected to be a wife. So how would Ms Greenway have the
means, motive and opportunity to know how Minton was getting his Swiss
money via non-exsistent "European friends" via lies to a real person
to Brooks at the LMT who then gave it to Minton?
>
> This brought the millionaire to a realization. If he had not approached Rinder to settle
> his differences with Scientology, then Scientology would have had the equivalent of
> blackmail material on him.
Well yes, most people go to jail and/or pay a fine for evading taxes
and/or laundering money. What do you mean....."would have had".
They already had that material about Minton's funny checks and Minton
knew it.
>This would have been especially significant after Scientology
> settled the McPherson case. Besides the millions he had already given Dandar, the
> anti-Scientology crusader would have been liable to the cult for millions more. In
> reality, whatever the McPherson case was settled for would likely have come from Minton's
> own pocket via Scientology.
Why would Minton have been liable to the cult for millions more?
>
> Minton breathed a heavy sigh of relief and let Dandar know that he was going to testify
> against him for Scientology.
What Minton did was to call Mr. Dandar and demand that he withdraw the
Lisa wrongful death suit. Mr. Dandar, being a real man of principle,
refused. Minton also tried to get another case settled for COS.....by
offering to give Larry Wollersheim $250,000 and forgive a loan if
Wollersheim would give up a $8.6 Million Judgement against SCN.
>The suspicions that Dandar was an unprincipled man were soon
> confirmed. The slanderous campaign against Minton was renewed within days.
It started again when what Minton was doing for Scientology was
discovered. It started when Minton and Brooks joined forces with SCN
to get the Lisa case attorney disbarred to make the Lisa wrongful death
suit "go away". It continuted when Minton tried to get Judge
Schaeffer recused when she ruled against Minton and Scientology in the
Dandar Disqualification Hearings. It continuted when Minton (with
Scientology) tried to get Lisa's family removed as executors of Lisa's
estate.
Dandar Disqualification Hearing Documents
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/
>It started with
> malicious speculation, and eventually transcended the bounds of common sense almost
> completely into the realm of the fantastic.
What's fantastic is this fairy tale that is being floated here by
"Friends of Lermanet" to rewrite history.
>When the legal situation demanded the
> fantastic accusations against Minton come to an end in the United States, responsibility
> for the false accusations was merely shifted overseas. Within weeks Martin Ottmann came up
> with an unbelievably distorted list of wrongoing that easily competed with Scientology's
> earlier allegations against Minton of moneylaundering.
That's also what Judge Schaeffer came up with. So tell us why Minton
kept taking the Fifth Amendment whenever questions about the shell
game he played with Swiss banks, his Swiss money and ficittious
"European friends" came uup?
If Minton had nothing to hide, why was he hiding behind the Fifth
Amendment?
>
> Background on "The Betrayal of Bob Minton"
>
> Every single detail of "The Betrayal of Bob Minton" is not guaranteed fact. It is the best
>
> reconstruction that can be made with the facts at hand concerning events surrounding Bob
> Minton's attempt to settle with Scientology.
Ah....a disclaimer.....afraid of being sued for libel, huh?
There are a lot of facts in the court documents, even Minton's
testimony that prove Minton was NOT a "man of principle". Did you
miss them?
>
> The reason this was not published sooner is that there was some doubt as to whether Minton
> was actually sympathetic with Scientology. Time has shown this doubt to be unfounded.
> Minton has not endorsed Scientology in any way. Nor did Minton betray critics en masse to
> the cult. Although Minton betrayed Ken Dandar, he was no harsher on Dandar than he was on
> himself.
What Minton did endorse was a Scientology program to destroy Ken
Dandar, Lisa's family and others to get Scientology off his back and to
stay out of jail.
>
> Minton was not blackmailed. More than one person was very interested in nailing the cult
> on this. As a result several people who were very close to Minton went to extraordinary
> lengths to find out if foul play was involved. The result was unanimous that Minton was
> not the victim of blackmail.
If true, that makes what Minton did, even more disgusting, doesn't it?
Who were these people? And what extraordinary lengths did they go
to? I mean....come on.......you can't really expect anyone to
believe that if you won't say who or what or show some proof, do you?
Hey, I bet SCN would give you a declaration that Minton wasn't
blackmailed.....but would anybody besides "freidns of Lermana" believe
it?
>
> Certain people who Minton had aided financially betrayed him. This was done to their own
> advantage, so that Minton ended up paying twice, once in cash and again in repute.
And your proof is.....what? The allegations of two proven perjurers,
Bob Minton and his mistress, Stacy Brooks?
>
> Minton was not in danger of being convicted for perjury or money laundering; one of his
> betrayers was in danger of being convicted for corruption.
It was proved Minton was a perjurer. If he was not in danger of being
convicted for perjury, why did he recant then recant his recantations?
If Minton was not in danger of being convicted for money laundring
and/or tax evasion, why did he take the Fifth Amendment about his Swiss
money on the grounds that if he answered, it might incriminate him?
>Minton was not publicly aiding
> Scientology's propaganda war against critics; his betrayers were.
No, Minton was doing something much worse. He was publicly aiding
Scientology in its attempts to destroy people and cases.
>Minton did not throw
> news group alt.religion.scientology into such an uproar that Scientology's anti-psych-bots
> could take a vacation, again it was his betrayers.
So Minton was "betrayed" because some people on a newsgroup couldn't
stomach what he was doing and let the newsgroup know what he was doing
for Scientology?
>Minton did not post unauthorized
> documents that had not been released by the court to the Internet; that was his betrayers.
Minton didn't post them because they revealed what a scumbag he was.
If they had shown Minton to be what he wasn't......"a man of
principle", Arnie Lerma would have been posting them for Minton on the
day they were transcribed....in fact as I recall, Lerma did do that for
one document. Just like Lerma tried to get rid of Ken Dandar for
Minton by advertising for a new attorney for the Lisa case and relaying
Minton's offer to Larry Wollersheim to make Wollersheim's $8.6 Million
judgement "go away".
>
> Most importantly, Minton did not run to the press to betray his betrayers, but did what
> any civic-minded citizen should do; he went to court. Whether we agree with him or not, in
> this respect at least, he did the right thing.
Oh now we're supposed to believe that Minton was not only a "man of
principle" but a "civic-minded citizen" because he didn't run to the
press this time? The guy who always ran to the press and/or a.r.s. is
now a "civic-minded citizen" because he doesn't go to the press this
time?
The press asks hard questions. The press gets read by lots of people.
What would the press have reported if Minton had taken the Fifth
Amendment on questions he couldn't or wouldn't answer about his Swiss
bank money? Minton had to go to court. His one hope not to be
exposed was for the transcripts not to be made public.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Your friends at Lermanet
So who are these anonymous "friends", who have written this whopper of
a fairy tale? Gee, you'd think they would want to claim credit for
such a fantastic fantasy..
Sincerely,
Tigger....CCTA Concerned Citizens for Truth in America
Quaoar
>
So, like Minton himself, you were bought out, sacrificing your last
semblance of ethics to the power of gold.
Now, you assail Minton and anyone who remotely came into contact with
him of the same violations?
$cientology is, apparently, correct: the accuser has similar crimes.
Q
Tigger
Huh? What exactly are you trying to say? Never mind. Go crawl back
in your hole. That was another URL I needed for OCMB.