> speaking of spam, this article has shown up on hundreds of unrelated
> newsgroups. TOS that guy!!
Here is another $cientology survivor:
CHEROKEE COUNTY HERALD, Centre,
Alabama, Wednesday December 12, 1990.
"Management Seminar" Harrowing Experience
By TERRY DEAN, Staff Writer
"We now feel like we've been
raped. We feel so invaded. We
say, "l still can't believe this
happened to us "
Dee Rowe, wife of local den-
tist Glover Rowe D.M.D., de-
scribed their recent harrowing
experience in what was sup-
posed to be a "management
seminar" in California. Dr. and
Mrs. Rowe said they were held
against their will by a religious
cult and were forced to endure
MRS. ROWE identified the or-
ganization responsible for luring
veterinarians and other medical
professionals into this "scam"
as a management systems firm
with facilities in Glendale, Calif.
"They advertise business
management courses that cost
$15,000 for seven days," said
Mrs. Rowe. "They usually get a
dentist who has been in your
area and print a success story on
him. This dentist gets 10 percent
of the $15,000 if you buy the
Mrs. Rowe. who could not re-
veal the name of the dentist who
introduced them to the seminar,
said that she and Dr. Rowe took out a
loan for S15,000, not knowing
They advertise business management courses that cost
$15,000 for seven days... They usually get a dentist who
has been in your area and print a success story on him...
This dentist gets 10 percent of the $15,000 if you buy the
package. Mrs. Dee Rowe
how they would pay it back.
"We went to California to a
seven-day seminar," said Mrs.
Rowe. "These people par-
ticipate in a type of mind
control. I now look back at some
of the things I was doing. They
were having a big influence on
DR. ROWE became a dif-
ferent person, Mrs. Rowe said.
"They had a lot of meetings
with him. They talked him into
bumping up our credit cards to
buy more courses, basically
The first seminar the Rowes
attended was held Oct. 18-25 in
Glendale, Calif., and they at-
tended a second seminar Nov.
15-22 in Orange County, Calif.
"I went in and begged Glover
not to sign anything," said Mrs.
Rowe. "Glover said 'I've
already signed it and feel good
According to Priscilla Coates,
with Cult Awareness, a national
organization, these people are
so sophisticated at mind con-
trol, they do not need drugs or
other mind-altering devices.
"You see people walking
around with this glazed look in
their eyes," said Mrs. Rowe.
The Rowes returned to Cali-
fornia for their other courses a
few weeks later, which were
$5,000 and $2,500 each.
"I FOUND OUT they had done
personality tests on us and were
lecturing him on our mar-
riage." said Mrs. Rowe. "They
said we're in serious trouble and
that if we didn't take these
courses, we would be divorced
in a year and I would become a
On her second trip, Mrs. Rowe
said she wasn't happy the first
three days, but could not put her
finger ou a specific reason for
her mood. The third night, how-
ever, things started coming to a
"They put a telephone in front
of me and said I should call
every member of my family and
tell them I was a member of the
Church of Scientology. I re-
fused," said Mrs. Rowe. "At
that point, they said, 'but you
see Dee, you have to.' I said,
'No I don't have to,' and they
said I couldn't leave until I did."
After arguing with them for
two hours, Mrs. Rowe con-
vinced them to let her leave,
saying she would call her family
from her hotel room.
"WHEN I STARTED com-
plaing to Glover about this, he
said, 'You don't understand, be-
cause you've never been to den-
tel school. You have to do what
they tell you to passú' It hit me
Medical professionals have been
trained to think that way," said
The next day, Mrs. Rowe told
seminar personnel she had
phoned her family, but that she
resented it. They then asked Dr.
Rowe if she had called her fami-
ly from her hotel room.
"All that night in the hotel
room, I threw up and cried,"
said Mrs. Rowe. "They sent both
of us back to the motel room
early. The next day I begin to
complain immediately. I said
you people are trying to control
Dr. and Mrs. Rowe were then
separated, she said, and she
was taken into a room where her
back was placed against a wall.
"FOR SEVEN hours, a man
drilled me, tried to brainwash
me," said Mrs. Rowe. "l begged
him to let me go, he kept say-
ing, 'but you see Dee, you
can't.' He tried to get me to con-
fess to crimes. He started get-
ting me to tell him sex stories.
He made me list every overt sin
I had committed. They insisted I
write down everything I had
done wrong. I couldn't list any-
thing bad enough to please
them. They tried to get me to tell
them crimes other people I knew
had committed. I learned later
that this was for blackmail
At this point, Mrs. Rowe had
cried for seven hours. Mrs.
Rowe finally decided the best
thing to do was play along.
"THEY WERE TRYING to
control me," said Mrs. Rowe. "I
stopped and started rubbing my
eyes. He kept on at me, trying to
get me to tell him sex stories, so
I burned his ears. He seemed
"Okay Dee, now that you're
calm, we'll see what to do with
you," the man said.
Mrs. Rowe bolted out the door
at this point, out into the high-
way and tried to scream for
"He stood there and watched
me," said Mrs. Rowe. "It was
just highway with a sidewalk.
Eventually, I got to an inter-
A man then jumped out of the
car, Mrs. Rowe said, and began
to chase her.
"I was about a mile up the
road by then," said Mrs. Rowe.
"He turned, ran and jumped
back in his car. He drove off
quickly when I screamed."
MRS. ROWE then hit a side
road and tried to stay out of
sight. The sun was setting about
"I came upon a golf course,
found a restaurant with pay
phones and starting making
calls," said Mrs. Rowe. "I
called the hotel and said, 'Gary,
I'm in bad trouble. This thing
we've been going to is a cult."
Gary had just started working
at the hotel, Mrs. Rowe said,
and was someone the Rowes
felt they could trust.
"Dee, the people are demand-
ing that you come back to the
Gary, as it turned out, was
working for these people and
Mrs. Rowe refused to go with
him when he came for her in a
MRS. ROWE then called
Barbra, Dr. Rowe's office man-
ager, who was keeping the
Rowes' baby in the hotel.
"Dee, they're asking where
you are," said Barbra.
Mrs. Rowe then arranged to
meet with Barbra and the baby
at the restaurant next door to
the hotel, before calling the
"They were waiting at the ho-
tel," said Mrs. Rowe. "At the
restaurant next door, two men
came running and chasing me
through the restaurant. I began
screaming, 'Call the police, call
the police!' In the meantime, we
called a cab and went to a
MRS. ROWE said the police
had advised her to go to a
populated area because the cult
members would follow her
home. The three went to Irvine,
"We checked into a hotel
under a fake name," said Mrs.
Rowe. "We didn't sleep all
Mrs. Rowe then got in touch
with Priscilla Coates of Cult
Awareness who called Dr. Rowe
at 5:30 a.m. the next morning.
"They let her through because
she had a California accent,"
said Mrs. Rowe. "They told
Glover 'the Cult Awareness
people have kidnapped Dee and
are holding her for ransom.'
Cult Awareness doesn't hold
people for ransom, it helps them
"ARE YOU going to stay with
Scientology?" Mrs. Coates
asked Dr. Rowe.
"Yes," Dr. Rowe replied."
"They were with him every
minute," said Mrs. Rowe.
"Glover couldn't even go to the
bathroom by himself. The baby,
Barbra, and I got out of
there. We had police escorts all
the way home. We were very
scared, That was Thanksgiving
Mrs. Rowe was informed by
Cult Awareness that Dr. Rowe
was probably under the cult's
control and didn't offer much
hope of getting him back.
"Friday, I decided to call
GIover and see if he was okay,"
said Mrs. Rowe. "I disguised my
voice. Glover answered."
"ARE YOU alone?" Mrs.
"No," Dr. Rowe said.
"Are you being held against
your will?" Mrs, Rowe asked.
"Yes," Dr. Rowe said.
"If you can get away from
there, call me," said Mrs,
Rowe. "Get them in a public
place and start screaming. I'm
going to call the police to come
"The guy from Scientology
then told Glover he was playing
along with them. He pretended
to be on their side. After Glover
hung up, he told the guy it was
"I THINK I'd better go," the
man said. "If you take the shut-
tle to the dianetics center. I'll
give you s plane ticket back
Dr. Rowe then went to a shop-
ping center across the street
from the hotel and called his
wife and got a cab.
"He called me and said I had
an hour to catch my flight," said
Their troubles weren't over
yet, however. A woman from
Scientology came to the airport
looking for Dr. Rowe.
"The lady at the ticket counter
remembered us," said Mrs.
Rowe. "She asked him if he was
in trouble and called airport se-
curity to see that he got on the
WHEN THE Rowes arrived at
the airport, they were met by
two police officers, Dr. Rowe's
brother, an elder from his
brother's church, a psychologist
and Craig Branch, who helps
people get away from cults.
"A man approached Glover's
brother and said he'd pick him
up," said Mrs. Rowe. Glover's
brother said, 'Well we're here
now, so you may leave.'"
Mrs. Rowe said she and her
husband are in the process of
filing a lawsuit against Scien-
tology and the Sterling Corpor-
"My mission is to expose this
company rooking these people,"
said Mrs. Rowe. "I don't want to
see them bring our profession
down. It is such a clever scam.
Many people don't understand.
They really believe everything
that is being said to them."
UPON DOING research, the
Rowes discovered that their ex-
perience is by no means a solitary incident. Mrs. Rowe
said the California police were "not even surprised" when
they reported the cult's behavior.
In a March 1990 issue of Cult Awareness Network News,
Dr. Roberty Geary, an Ohio dentist reported writing up to
$200,000 to Sterling Management and claimed the company
"almost cost him his dental practice and injured his
wife's mental health."
According to the article, Mrs. Geary was told that
she needed to be "cleared" and was held captive in a
cabin for two weeks "to correct behavior that could
harm the organization."
At the cabin, Mrs. Geary was deprived of food and
sleep and was pushed against the walls and thrown onto
a bed whenever she tried to get away.
"Tell people if they get any
brochures from Sterling or any
other Scientology group, to just
throw them away," said Dr.
Geary in the article.
FOR THREE decades, the
Church of Scientology was head-
ed by L. Ron Hubbard, famous
science fiction writer, who died
at the age of 74.
The Church of Scientology,
according to an article in the
Nov. 23. 1987 issue of Fortune
Magazine, is a full-blown cult
that believes it has simple cures
for high cholesterol levels.
radiation sickness, low produc-
tivity and "just about anything
else that ails society."
In an open letter to readers of
the New York Times, publisher
Lyle Stuart quotes a former
Scientology recruiter as saying,
"Our job as Scientologists is to
suck every dime we can from a
person. We convince them that
they are saving not just this
world but the entire universe!"
According to Stuart's letter,
the goal of Scientology experts is
$80.000 per customer, which is
extracted in sums of $20,000 to
$30,000 per year. Scientologists
even ask the customer to sign a
young people in the 19-25 age
range, Stuart said.
After their ordeal was over
Mrs. Rowe recalled another
"When I got away from these
people, they called the Crystal
Cathedral," said Mrs. Rowe.
"When we were at Sterling on
the first trip, I had Robert
Schuler's book. 'Tough Times
Never Last But Tough People
Do." It occurred to me that I
read to Glover every night out of
that book but I never mentioned
it. They must have bugged the
The Rowes will never forget
their nightmare at the Park
Court Hotel in Orange County,
Calif., but they now feel they
can warn others from being
"A LADY FROM Scientology
called the office when we got
back home and asked how we
were doing," said Mrs. Rowe.
"I said 'Not very well. We went
to Orange County and were held
against our will. We want
nothing to do with Scientology or
anything having to do with cults."
Dr. and Mrs. Rowe are now on
the campaign to "wipe these
people out," Mrs. Rowe said.
"I'm extremely paranoid, so
is my babysitter," said Mrs
Rowe. "We're real jumpy about
the baby. You're jumpy after
being a victim."
The Rowes, although they
were taken for more than
$23,000, are grateful for a happy
"I BELIEVE God's children
carry an armour," said Mrs.
Rowe. "We've been told it is a
miracle they didn't gain control
of our minds. I give credit to God
and know He was protecting us. I
think there are reasons for
everything and think we have
been put through this to inform
people. God knew I couldn't
keep my big mouth shut!"
>COGNITIONS OF A LIBERATED SCIENTOLOGIST
speaking of spam, this article has shown up on hundreds of unrelated
TOS that guy!!
Thse urls are no newsgroups.
> >Thse urls are no newsgroups.
> eh? whadja say?
That you are truly stupid.
The above, Co$'s PR of Ill Ron's writings.
Below, the foundation of his psyche in making up the
philosophy of $cientology.
These are from his "Admissions", delusionary self
hpnosis and suggestions for his weakend soul.
You have no fears about working psychically for you are safe, always
safe, protected by your Guardian as in a mighty fortress.
You can recall at will all the plots and situations you ever thought
up. You can create new plots and characterize people clearly and
wonderfully. There is no rush about writing. It is immaterial to you
if people are or are not amused. You write cleverly and your writings
never fail to amuse.
The two women you knew - Helen the Comrade and Polly the Skipper were
not worth an instant of your time. You do not love them, they were not
worthy. You won over them.
The love of women is not necessary to your ego. You are above them.
You know well that many women are mad about you, that you satisfy them
perfectly. You will satisfy them easily. You do not care.
Testosterone makes you sexy. It makes things beautiful and arouses
you. But this is will. You can be aroused at will.
Naked bodies and sexy allusion stimulate you wonderfully.
>> >From: "roger gonnet" roger....@worldnet.fr
>> >Thse urls are no newsgroups.
>> eh? whadja say?
>That you are truly stupid.
LOL!!.. and you folks complain that *I* have not offered intelligent debate!
DISCLAIMER: this is not my sig:
THIS is my sig:
Have A Nice Day! :-)
> >That you are truly stupid.
> LOL!!.. and you folks complain that *I* have not offered
> intelligent debate!
The data in the following URL's has never been adressed. :-(
>>From: "roger gonnet" roger....@worldnet.fr
>>Thse urls are no newsgroups.
>eh? whadja say?
So MIke. Trying to hide by adding a number to your E-mail addy, are we?
Sorry, you're still a spammer, on top of a supporter of a criminal UFO
Finally the truth from a Scientologist:
Everyone knows that in Scientology no one worships a God or God,
no one prays or engages in religious ritual in that sense.
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>>From: Beverly Rice dbj...@ao.net
>>> >From: "roger gonnet" roger....@worldnet.fr
>>> >Thse urls are no newsgroups.
>>> eh? whadja say?
>>That you are truly stupid.
>LOL!!.. and you folks complain that *I* have not offered intelligent debate!
>DISCLAIMER: this is not my sig:
Yes, I know that it is your sig. And it is spamming. You are an idiot of
course, and adding a number to your E-mail addy isn't going to fool
anyone to believe that thi spam comes from somoene else that the
original Mike McKean, the spammer.
Again, one of the accepted definitions of spam. Carefully read
especially the part that deals with the signature.
There's no way in hell that you're going to get around the fact that you
are a spammer Mike McKean, and your behaviour is now really showing the
world what idiots the Scientologists really are.
"Substantively identical" means that the material in each article
generated by the poster is sufficiently similar to construe the same
message. The signature is included in the determination. These are
examples of substantively identical articles:
- byte-for-byte identical messages
- otherwise identical postings minimally customized
for each group it appears in.
- articles which consist of inclusions of other user's postings,
but are otherwise identical.
- articles that consist solely of the same signature
- advertising the same service.
PS, how long do you think you can keep this up? Do you think you will
out live the critics of your crime syndicate? Have you forgotten that
your mission was CCHR, or was this just a change of MO that you were
rondroid'ed into doing from your masters at OSA?
> > >From: "roger gonnet" roger....@worldnet.fr
> > >Thse urls are no newsgroups.
> > eh? whadja say?
See what "auditing" does to one?
> That you are truly stupid.
Either truely stupid or pretending to be.
> The above, Co$'s PR of Ill Ron's writings.
> Below, the foundation of his psyche in making up the
> philosophy of $cientology.
> These are from his "Admissions", delusionary self
> hpnosis and suggestions for his weakend soul.
> Hubbard sez:
> You have no fears about working psychically for you are safe, always
> safe, protected by your Guardian as in a mighty fortress.
> You can recall at will all the plots and situations you ever thought
> up. You can create new plots and characterize people clearly and
> wonderfully. There is no rush about writing. It is immaterial to you
> if people are or are not amused. You write cleverly and your writings
> never fail to amuse.
> The two women you knew - Helen the Comrade and Polly the Skipper were
> not worth an instant of your time. You do not love them, they were not
> worthy. You won over them.
> The love of women is not necessary to your ego. You are above them.
> You know well that many women are mad about you, that you satisfy them
> perfectly. You will satisfy them easily. You do not care.
> Testosterone makes you sexy. It makes things beautiful and arouses
> you. But this is will. You can be aroused at will.
> Naked bodies and sexy allusion stimulate you wonderfully.
"Shy" David Rice. A proud supporter and defender of religious rights. Help fight
religious descrimination! <http://holysmoke.org/tolerate.htm>
"Its going to be a LONG time before a person can have this much fun with a sheet of paper." -- Phil Scott
No, Mike, you _know_ that's a lie.
Do a Deja search.
One of which is alt.religion.scientology.