Kendrick Moxon: Proof OT's Exist (the Stacy button)
baldo_...@yahoo.com
I call myself El Baldo. Disease left me without hair, have compensated
with Wicca and tattoos.
My partner is Eggshell White, London's original majickal gurl. Wiccan
with hair.
We've decided that Scientology's hate sites and fair game were too
much.
We found a weak point in the form of Kendrick Moxon and went to work.
His weak point is Stacy Moxon.
We set up ads using Stacy's name and the Moxons' home numbers with ads
for prostitution services. Some of them were pretty raunchy! We
warned Moxon, told him to use his influence to take the sites down.
The sites did not come down, so up went the ads. Moxon sent a few
threatening emails back, but guess what, we never use the same email
twice.
Then we put up ads for garage and estate sales.
Then we started sending emails to Kendrick and Carla Moxon's accounts.
Kendrick was kind of dumb to send us emails from them!
These were pretty nasty as well. We talked about having Kendrick
teabag Carla, and we'd put it up on a site. We told Carla we thought
she needed to learn the joys of watersports.
But we were, real obvious that we'd stop if the sites came down. We
fair gamed Moxon.
Well the last straw so to speak was to set up a way for people to make
appointments to go and see Stacy. Guys showed up at Moxon's house
looking for a quick blowjob.
Moxon has changed all of his phone numbers. The Moxons' aren't at home
that much as they don't want some guy to show up and nutting on the
door. They have put spam filters on their emails. This has put a dent
into Carla's dog breeding business.
Rumour has it Moxon has gone off the edge over this.
Moxon is not at cause. Moxon could not stop or detect or trace our
emails and web ads. Moxon does not have his TRs in.
Yes, I called Moxon's dead daughter a whore and I will do it again, hey
I just did it. Moxon can't touch me. I even gave Moxon a few hints
about where to find me in Luton.
Who could be next? Any high up Scientologist not protected behind the
walls of the Gold Base, I suppose. We'll find the buttons and push
them.
We have money to do this from several Wiccan societies. Divining this
is proof of the power of Wicca.
Scientology is putrid. It needs to go. We are going to start by
purging the hate.
And yes, if El Baldo beats you, he shaves your head and tattoos it.
Egg doesn't mind peeing in your mouth. Fiber and fluid are our tools
of humiliation. Of course it is all on video.
Moxon--we have your new numbers. You want to 'mox it up' just let me
know. I'm still here waiting.
Carla--we know that Dotty's mom has got it going on, I know it is
wrong, but I'm in love with Dotty's mom!
Joel and Tina--could you be next?
Special shout outs to: Janet, Caitlin, Arnie, Lawrence, Keith, Patty,
Mandrog and Greggo!
LaserClam
baldo_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> These were pretty nasty as well. We talked about having Kendrick
> teabag Carla, and we'd put it up on a site. We told Carla we thought
> she needed to learn the joys of watersports.
>
> But we were, real obvious that we'd stop if the sites came down. We
> fair gamed Moxon.
>
> Well the last straw so to speak was to set up a way for people to make
> appointments to go and see Stacy. Guys showed up at Moxon's house
> looking for a quick blowjob.
>
A covertly hostile effort at humour?
roger gonnet
scientologistically cruel, hubbardically cruel - since I read , 33 years ago,
the "Science of Survival" book from L. Ron Hubbard.
In fact, you could have beaten him, if instead of just attacking poor Moxon (who
lost his daughter because of the 'good' scientology ways and cures), you had
criticized Humanity as a whole, as Hubbard, Moxon's dead wrong patron, did.
Poor Moxon, though a criminal attorney of a crime cult and a bad faith liar ,
he has probably also been brainwashed, and could probably never realize how bad
it was to put one's kid in such a cruel area as scientology Hemet
RTC/CSI/entities are.
And when he perhaps realized it, or Carla, they believed they had not the least
door open to flee from Miss cabbage's net without risking some more strials -
this time against him and Carla.
Scientology LOOKS like a one way system for those who are inside. But the one
way contains its other way: putting the criminal upper echelons, mostly DM, out
of service, and completely unable to brainwash more people than they have.
And listen, Moxons: you can do it. You've the teeth and the doc to bite the
Beast.
You could be certainly sentenced because that would'nt respect the "ethics" of
attorneys, but is there any ethics in scienbtology attorneys having done so many
unethical actions? I don't believe so.
Perhaps you'd go to jail for some years, but you'd gain a lot of people to help
you. Miscavige is like his ex-patrons hubbard was: a dangerous psychoopath whos
e only purpose is to become the master of the Universes or Universes. That's
crazy. Wholly crazy.
Supposing that he's only trying to conquer whatever power and money he could,
like Hubbard did, the diiagnosis is worse: not only he could be diagnozd crazy,
but as well, he could be said responsible for his own activities.
r
<baldo_...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Michael Reuss
> Hi, some of you know me, some don't so time for an intro.
> I call myself El Baldo. Disease left me without hair, have compensated
> with Wicca and tattoos.
> My partner is Eggshell White, London's original majickal gurl. Wiccan
> with hair.
> We've decided that Scientology's hate sites and fair game were too
> much.
I agree that Scientology promotes certain hatreds. But you seem have
some hatred, yourself. All these harassments you're doing are the exact
things I'm protesting against.
The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
I would urge you to stop, to take down your ads and signs, to put up new
signs saying that the old signs were false and hurtful and that you're
sorry for doing that, and then check out from this political debate.
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
Out_Of_The_Dark
Gee, it's bad enough for the ex knowing that Scientology's own
investigators and staff resort to such low and scoreful tactics, now we
learn of this evolutionary offshoot.
Can't you wiccans just cast some spells that the church finances go out
the bottom
or something? That is what you do, right? No one here would argue with
hoping, praying along or 'chanting' or whatever you do, along on that
one. No money, no scientology.
Tilman Hausherr
>We found a weak point in the form of Kendrick Moxon and went to work.
>His weak point is Stacy Moxon.
>
>We set up ads using Stacy's name and the Moxons' home numbers with ads
>for prostitution services. Some of them were pretty raunchy! We
>warned Moxon, told him to use his influence to take the sites down.
Get mental help.
banchukita
Acting worse than Scientology is not what Wicca teaches.
Troll.
-maggie, human being
Playfullminx
Oh everyone quit yer bitchin. I think it's kinda funny. I wouldn't do
it - but if someone has the gumption to do it - so be it. It's all a
freakshow. I'm gonna go get some popcorn!!
When is act two??
Keith Henson
<michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>> baldo_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi, some of you know me, some don't so time for an intro.
>
>> I call myself El Baldo. Disease left me without hair, have compensated
>> with Wicca and tattoos.
>
>> My partner is Eggshell White, London's original majickal gurl. Wiccan
>> with hair.
>
>> We've decided that Scientology's hate sites and fair game were too
>> much.
>
>I agree that Scientology promotes certain hatreds. But you seem have
>some hatred, yourself.
Michael, I don't think you are right about these folks hating, I just
don't see that in their writing. It is more like a clinical report on
psychological ops. Reminds me of Grady Ward and his stories of (*)
and cat box roca and though it does drift into the real world.
On the other hand, my leg still twinges from the PI Moxon (or his
staff) hired hitting me with his van over a year ago. Moxon *ordered*
the same kind of things done to Tory.
If you take their report to be true, they might just get Moxon out.
At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
snip
>The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
>morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
I wish you were right about this. I have more or less followed the
morally superior route myself and admit it has been less than what I
consider a success.
Frankly I don't consider what these Wiccas are doing to be more
vicious than "The Return of Chef."
But YMMV.
Keith
banchukita
Keith Henson wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:46:48 -0600, Michael Reuss
> <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>
> >> baldo_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, some of you know me, some don't so time for an intro.
> >
> >> I call myself El Baldo. Disease left me without hair, have compensated
> >> with Wicca and tattoos.
> >
> >> My partner is Eggshell White, London's original majickal gurl. Wiccan
> >> with hair.
> >
> >> We've decided that Scientology's hate sites and fair game were too
> >> much.
> >
> >I agree that Scientology promotes certain hatreds. But you seem have
> >some hatred, yourself.
>
> Michael, I don't think you are right about these folks hating, I just
> don't see that in their writing. It is more like a clinical report on
> psychological ops. Reminds me of Grady Ward and his stories of (*)
> and cat box roca and though it does drift into the real world.
Keith, I disagree. There is no love in desecrating someone's dead
child.
This isn't seeking justice from Scientology, it's attacking an
individual.
>
> On the other hand, my leg still twinges from the PI Moxon (or his
> staff) hired hitting me with his van over a year ago. Moxon *ordered*
> the same kind of things done to Tory.
>
Yes, but you know, I'm sure Kendrick and his wife are not the only ones
affected by the violent and entirely avoidable death of their daughter.
There are other family members to consider who never ordered hits on
you.
> If you take their report to be true, they might just get Moxon out.
> At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
> why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
>
There may be other reasons for his low profile; Marty and Warren aren't
even history these days.
> snip
>
> >The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
> >morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
>
> I wish you were right about this. I have more or less followed the
> morally superior route myself and admit it has been less than what I
> consider a success.
>
In the long run, I think what Michael says is the only way to go.
> Frankly I don't consider what these Wiccas are doing to be more
> vicious than "The Return of Chef."
>
Keith, I know you of all people know the difference between
provocatively poking at a corrupt organization and poking at an
individual's devastating pain.
But dude, after all they've put you and yours through, I can see how
you'd be a little jaded about that.
> But YMMV.
>
> Keith
-maggie, human being
Keith Henson
<xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
>Can't you wiccans just cast some spells that the church finances go out
>the bottom or something?
Strangely enough, a substantial number of Wiccans cursed scientology
some years ago after an incident with Gene Ingram that came close to
being fatal.
And then there is the Church of the SubGenious. Scientology has no
idea of how much of the opposition comes from that direction, though
if they had had a spy at the last X-day they might have found out.
(Though it *is* hard to hide a tape recorder at a nude event.)
Keith Henson
jerald
responces and use them to show this really is a hate group. i think
its a set up.
jerald
root@127.1 wrote:
> Pretty distasteful stuff. I'd'a thought magical types would have done
> something more creative. Keeping in mind that it's traveling carnival
> time, all over most of the world, next time, maybe you could set up a
> traveling Stacie Moxon Memorial Scientology Dungeon and Lethal
> Electrical Service Vault Exhibit, or something. Maybe accompany the
> exhibit with a Scientology 100% Standard Decapitating Front End Loader
> ride?
>
> In <1152380007.1...@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Android Cat
> Hi, some of you know me, some don't so time for an intro.
>
> I call myself El Baldo. Disease left me without hair, have
> compensated with Wicca and tattoos.
>
> My partner is Eggshell White, London's original majickal gurl. Wiccan
> with hair.
>
> We've decided that Scientology's hate sites and fair game were too
> much.
Ah yes. Email on June 3rd:
===
Eggsghell White here.
Some of you don't know me. I'm a Wiccan but not a peaceful one.
My current quest is to get rid of the hate sites. My friend, El Baldo, is
helping. We've targeted Moxon and recently Joel with major majick.
It doesn't have to be like this. Moxon is slowly going mad with what we've
done to him. Joel will not last long.
We'd prefer a gentle solution but these are not gentle people.
Special shout outs to Roger, Arnie, Keith, Caitlyn, Sebastian, Jorge, and
Fraanje.
The end is near (of the HATRED).
SHELL
===
Didn't know what that was about. Still don't.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Keith Henson
wrote:
>
>Keith Henson wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:46:48 -0600, Michael Reuss
>> <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
snip
>Yes, but you know, I'm sure Kendrick and his wife are not the only ones
>affected by the violent and entirely avoidable death of their daughter.
>There are other family members to consider who never ordered hits on
>you.
I can't think of any of Moxon's family who would not put out a hit on
me or even pull the trigger if they could get away with it. Carla was
in the Guardian's Office and their son Brian is with some LRH
publication operation.
>> If you take their report to be true, they might just get Moxon out.
>> At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
>> why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
>
>There may be other reasons for his low profile; Marty and Warren aren't
>even history these days.
Yeah. Where are those guys? I was relieved to find out from
blownforgood that Mike Sutter and Lyman Spurlock (who vanished a
decade ago) were still alive. It's not that I liked them, but anyone
who is in the cult evokes the same feeling I have for a person with a
loathsome decease (in this case, a mental parasite).
>> snip
>>
>> >The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
>> >morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
>>
>> I wish you were right about this. I have more or less followed the
>> morally superior route myself and admit it has been less than what I
>> consider a success.
>
>In the long run, I think what Michael says is the only way to go.
You may be right, as I said, YMMV. But when you consider where the
"high road" of public protest worked out for me . . . .
>> Frankly I don't consider what these Wiccas are doing to be more
>> vicious than "The Return of Chef."
>
>Keith, I know you of all people know the difference between
>provocatively poking at a corrupt organization and poking at an
>individual's devastating pain.
What "devastating pain"? Moxon showed none, there has never been a
single report showing he was the least upset by Stacy being "used up"
inspecting a hot transformer vault so DM's air conditioning would not
be interrupted. Read the reports at the time. You would have been
devastated, I would have been devastated. Moxen went right back to
work attacking the family of Lisa McPherson and Bob Minton.
If someone gets through the cult overlay of his mind and he *is*
devastated by the realization of the "depraved indifference" that
killed his daughter Stacy, maybe he would turn on the cult and its
vicious little leader. Or at least quit working for the fanatic
criminal organization that killed her.
>But dude, after all they've put you and yours through, I can see how
>you'd be a little jaded about that.
It continues. They have recently pulled ops on my wife, our daughter
and my brother.
If they knew where the Mortmain Mountains could be found, they would
try (again) to kill me using cops.
Keith Henson
PS. The only time Moxon showed any emotion at all was because I was
picketing the cult out at Gold over her death. He was pissed about me
picketing, not because his daughter had been burned to death in that
transformer vault.
Keith Henson
wrote:
>root@127.1 wrote:
>> Pretty distasteful stuff. I'd'a thought magical types would have done
>> something more creative. Keeping in mind that it's traveling carnival
>> time, all over most of the world, next time, maybe you could set up a
>> traveling Stacie Moxon Memorial Scientology Dungeon and Lethal
>> Electrical Service Vault Exhibit, or something. Maybe accompany the
>> exhibit with a Scientology 100% Standard Decapitating Front End Loader
>> ride?
>seems a little funny to me. post something like this and take the
>responces and use them to show this really is a hate group. i think
>its a set up.
>
>jerald
I bet you they don't. They are at some level aware that their
response to Stacy's death is not going to play in the real world any
better than warming up a 24 hour dead body and hauling it off to a
scientology doctor did in the Lisa McPherson saga.
Keith Henson
Lermanet.com
wrote:]
FWIW, just so you know, Im glad you read this stuff, and do the
occassional followups, because I trust your opinion, I need not read
what you have read, I need only read your conclusions having read it..
If you trust somebodys judgement you dont need to know the details...
Arnie Lerma
Lermanet.com
Working for separation of church and hate for 12 years
>
>Acting worse than Scientology is not what Wicca teaches.
>
>Troll.
>
>-maggie, human being
Arnaldo Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake
If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!
29 November 1995 - Memorandum Opinion Judge Leonie Brinkema
"the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation of RTC in suing Lerma, DGS and The Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology in general and to harass its critics. "
The internet is the Liberty Tree
http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html#psychiatry
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/altreligionscientology-killfile-settings.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/crowley-hubbard-666.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/flint-suicides-in-scientology-040383.htm
both with IMAGES!!
"Scientologists believe that most human problems
can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial
people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters"
to individuals in the contemporary world, causing
spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives
of their hosts"
[Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]
What do we get from getting people out of scientology?
We create an individual who has become a Houdini of
all mind traps.. folks who won't be fooled again.
People who can DE-program, People who can spring mental
traps..
We create, by freeing someone of scientology, a being
who has the ability to break the strongest slave chains
of all.
Those forged of lies. (c) Arnaldo Lerma
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
Michael Reuss
>> Michael Reuss <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>> I agree that Scientology promotes certain hatreds. But you seem have
>> some hatred, yourself.
> Michael, I don't think you are right about these folks hating, I just
> don't see that in their writing. It is more like a clinical report on
> psychological ops. Reminds me of Grady Ward and his stories of (*)
> and cat box roca and though it does drift into the real world.
This is NOTHING like Grady Ward writing a satirical insult and posting
it to a newsgroup that Miscavige could avoid reading if he simply chose
to. I saw hate in their writing because their writing described their
behaviors. These behaviors did not satirize, they harassed in concrete,
and unavoidable ways.
Your position is sort of like the recent arguments that the U.S.
military tried to use to say they weren't "torturing" people. They too,
were only running psychological operations. It didn't matter to them
that their operations denied prisoners sleep, rest, and human dignity.
If you don't want to call that torture, it's up to you. But I call it
torture.
> On the other hand, my leg still twinges from the PI Moxon (or his
> staff) hired hitting me with his van over a year ago. Moxon *ordered*
> the same kind of things done to Tory.
I'm detecting something in your attitude that I haven't ever seen. This
battle with Scientology is not your personal battle, Keith. It's a
public battle.
I realize that you've been harmed more than most, but don't you dare
personalize this, and make ending your pain and suffering the goal. This
is about getting Scientology to stop doing it completely, not just
getting them to stop doing it to you.
I'm sorry your leg hurts. But the proper authorities are the only ones
with the legal right to bring Moxon to justice for what has happened to
you. I have always supported the idea of a RICO criminal investigation
against Miscavige, Rinder, Moxon, and the gang. But since the government
seems to be disinterested, I'm willing to go slow, and allow the
ridicule of the internet to do it's job on Scientology.
> If you take their report to be true, they might just get Moxon out.
I'm sorry, but the cost is too high. I won't be associated with such
thuggery.
> At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
> why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
Oh sure, and someone could do R2-45 on him, too. That would also "reduce
his effectiveness." To the extent that there still is a "we" in this
group, is that really what "we're" about? I certainly hope not.
>> The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
>> morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
> I wish you were right about this. I have more or less followed the
> morally superior route myself and admit it has been less than what I
> consider a success.
You're in this for the long run, Keith. Please don't give up now.
> Frankly I don't consider what these Wiccas are doing to be more
> vicious than "The Return of Chef."
South Park is a TV show. If you don't like it, you can turn it off. I
don't see that option being offered to Moxon. I think you need to either
reread what these folks were doing, or rethink your position.
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
barbz
Well, I'm just going to jump in with a smart-ass remark and point out
that, if you're At Cause over MEST, an off button isn't necessary.
Back to your regularly scheduled program!
--
"I'm for the separation of church and hate."
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
xenu...@netscape.net
Keith Henson
<michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>> hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
>>> Michael Reuss <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>
>>> I agree that Scientology promotes certain hatreds. But you seem have
>>> some hatred, yourself.
>
>> Michael, I don't think you are right about these folks hating, I just
>> don't see that in their writing. It is more like a clinical report on
>> psychological ops. Reminds me of Grady Ward and his stories of (*)
>> and cat box roca and though it does drift into the real world.
>
>This is NOTHING like Grady Ward writing a satirical insult and posting
>it to a newsgroup that Miscavige could avoid reading if he simply chose
>to. I saw hate in their writing because their writing described their
>behaviors. These behaviors did not satirize, they harassed in concrete,
>and unavoidable ways.
In spite of what they were doing, and you have a right to object, I
didn't see hate in what they *said.*
>Your position is sort of like the recent arguments that the U.S.
>military tried to use to say they weren't "torturing" people. They too,
>were only running psychological operations. It didn't matter to them
>that their operations denied prisoners sleep, rest, and human dignity.
>If you don't want to call that torture, it's up to you. But I call it
>torture.
Arguably from the unexpected effects my picketing had on DM, what I
did to him was worse than what these people are doing to Moxon. Moxon
has not fled his home yet and blownforgood says DM did leave Gold base
because of the pickets.
>> On the other hand, my leg still twinges from the PI Moxon (or his
>> staff) hired hitting me with his van over a year ago. Moxon *ordered*
>> the same kind of things done to Tory.
>
>I'm detecting something in your attitude that I haven't ever seen. This
>battle with Scientology is not your personal battle, Keith. It's a
>public battle.
>I realize that you've been harmed more than most, but don't you dare
>personalize this, and make ending your pain and suffering the goal. This
>is about getting Scientology to stop doing it completely, not just
>getting them to stop doing it to you.
Oh I agree with you. Just was pointing out that Moxon does stuff or
orders it done far worse than what these folks have done. My family
and I have been continues to be subjected to it with no end in sight.
>I'm sorry your leg hurts. But the proper authorities are the only ones
>with the legal right to bring Moxon to justice for what has happened to
>you. I have always supported the idea of a RICO criminal investigation
>against Miscavige, Rinder, Moxon, and the gang.
It's not just criminal, Michael. There is something just repugnant
about Moxon viciously continuing to harm others for the cult when the
cult's depraved indifference to human lives and slavish worship of DM
killed his daughter, not to mention Ashlee Shaner a few weeks earlier.
If you have better thoughts than the Wiccas on how to accomplish Moxon
waking up from being enthralled by the cult, please don't keep them to
yourself.
>But since the government
>seems to be disinterested, I'm willing to go slow, and allow the
>ridicule of the internet to do it's job on Scientology.
Disinterest I could cope with. That's not the big problem. The cult
continues to corrupt the Riverside county government so that a few
months ago deputies were operating out of their area, harassing
Barbara Graham and looking for me. Not to mention the corrupt
prosecution Bob Minton, Mark Bunker and I were subjected to.
It is entirely possible the cult will fool cops into another swat team
takedown the way they did at the Oakville Mall. That one came within
a cat's whisker of turning into a blood bath. Gregg Hagglund had PTSD
about it for over a year.
>> If you take their report to be true, they might just get Moxon out.
>
>I'm sorry, but the cost is too high. I won't be associated with such
>thuggery.
I would not do it myself, but giving how ineffective I have been, I am
reluctant to condemn them. Perhaps I should. Perhaps you would have
a different opinion if you and your family had been subject to the
abuse mine has seen.
>> At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
>> why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
>
>Oh sure, and someone could do R2-45 on him, too. That would also "reduce
>his effectiveness." To the extent that there still is a "we" in this
>group, is that really what "we're" about? I certainly hope not.
While there isn't much of a "we" to the news group, I hope not too.
But it is a point to ponder, under what conditions do people start
taking the R2-45 route?
As you can see in Iraq, people slip into that mode easily. It is more
or less standard for hunter gatherers. Try Azar Gat hunter gatherer
and look for a pdf file in the first page to get some insight here,
not only into why, but what holds this behavior in "off" mode.
>>> The opposition to the Scientology cult MUST be morally superior to the
>>> morality of the cult, or we won't win many hearts and minds.
>
>> I wish you were right about this. I have more or less followed the
>> morally superior route myself and admit it has been less than what I
>> consider a success.
>
>You're in this for the long run, Keith. Please don't give up now.
Perhaps I should discuss this with you in email.
>> Frankly I don't consider what these Wiccas are doing to be more
>> vicious than "The Return of Chef."
>
>South Park is a TV show. If you don't like it, you can turn it off. I
>don't see that option being offered to Moxon. I think you need to either
>reread what these folks were doing, or rethink your position.
The reality is that if you are someone like Hayes or Cruise you can't
turn off the effect is has on millions of people.
Best wishes,
Keith Henson
rockyslammer
There is no one answer to pure evil - I think both approaches have
merit. Who is to say that using a bit of jiggery pokery to achieve a
good outcome isn't right? Mind you who is to say what is right? I
think we can all agree as to the goal - it's how we get there is the
question.
I have to say if I was harmed or my family I would be on the rampage -
but that is my nature. Any retribution would be considered. A man has
the right to defend himself and his family - it's part of his
responsibility in a non pc world that is!
The thing is - the sooner all this scientology shit is ended the less
real people will be hurt.
Everything MUST be considered - I'm not "holier than thou" and if I
thought a bit of skulduggery would be appropriate then I would go for
it. Not an easy thing to consider because if we all did it then we
would have anarchy.
It's just where do we draw the line. R2 - 45 must only be used in self
defence as would physical retaliation. However a bit of psychological
warfare? A bit of harrassment? I'm not a turn the other cheek sort of
guy so I say that each to his own!! If you want to give as good as you
get then go for it.
union...@yahoo.com
Keith Henson wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:38:57 -0600, Michael Reuss
> <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
>
> >> hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
> >>> Michael Reuss <michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
[...]
> >> At least they seem to have reduced his effectiveness. Perhaps this is
> >> why people are no longer getting legal threats from his office.
> >
> >Oh sure, and someone could do R2-45 on him, too. That would also "reduce
> >his effectiveness." To the extent that there still is a "we" in this
> >group, is that really what "we're" about? I certainly hope not.
>
> While there isn't much of a "we" to the news group, I hope not too.
>
> But it is a point to ponder, under what conditions do people start
> taking the R2-45 route?
Didn't that lawyer Rosen once tell you in effect that your life
situation would improve if you killed him?
Muldoon
Scientology Inc. has been seeking to "degrade" and "beastify" any and
all opposition for a long time.
This message functions as bait.
It's not about "Wiccans," it's about eliciting agreement for "Fair
Game" from those who don't know when they're being played like a fiddle
on a public NG.
rockyslammer
Yes could indeed be right. However "Fair Gaming" is a totaly different
carte blanche affair. When does a surgical incision become acceptable?
Hitler for instance? How many of "us" are harrassing the c of s right
now in some respect? This NG - all the websites - all the satire -
they are all harrassment to some degree.
I don't particularly think laws should be broken but then at times some
laws should be broken. No one has said someone should be "destroyed"
just a little "messed up".
Maybe the start to this thread was meant to be evocative - who knows -
who cares?
But it does beg the question - how far should we persue the foe?
banchukita
Muldoon is awake!
There is too much "never fear to hurt another in a just cause" in this
thread.
I for one am not here for that. Moxon may be an emotional void, but
evening up his personal karma is not why I am here.
I believe that enough time has gone by; that enough has been documented
to encourage an international effort to investigate on a wider scope
than we as individuals can possibly provide. It's proving to be worth
it (*cough* Reed Slatkin *cough*) to devote resources to the
investigation. Public sentiment is certainly in favor of it.
Gandhi Tech. The Internet is Scn, Inc,'s Waterloo.
I would encourage everyone to write letters to the editor; write your
government officials, tell others and ask them to tell others. This is
how the abuse and hurt can stop, by breaking the cycle of silence and
fear.
Wog hate and terrorism are produced by policy in Scn, Inc.
-maggie, human being
Zinj
rockys...@postmaster.co.uk says...
Let's say for the moment that 'Everything' should be considered. Part of the
disadvantage to the incredible growth in public awareness is that this
inevitably means that the 'Critical Community', such as it is, has also grown
faster than its organic ability to educate new critics in some very
Scientology Critical considerations.
Because, almost everything *has* been considered in the tactical arena, and,
although Keith and his family, and some dozens of others possibly, are
examples of why heros are still needed, the generally accepted tactics *are*
working; just not as fast as we might wish.
So, without claiming any 'leadership' function in the non-existent ARSCC or
any other 'organization' or non-organization, here are my views on what we
*have* learned about valuable tactics in exposing and hopefully completely
defanging or dismantling the 'Church' of Scientology and any of its
offshoots/fronts.
First off, Scientology criticism is not like almost any other form of 'public
protest' or social activism. Because of the huge amounts of defrauded cash
available to the 'Church' and its completely unscrupulous disregard of sane
economies of scale, opposition to Scientology will *never* be an even playing
field. Scientology has both the will and the means to spend millions on a $2
attack. The *only* limiting factor is the shreds of sanity which keep it
from openly murdering any and all of its perceived 'enemies', because of the
potential 'PR Flap' involved.
It certainly *could* do so; it has the means, in money and unscrupulous
agents, and the Scientology 'philosophy' quite clearly not only recommends
such action, but *mandates* it, if they think they can get away with it.
So, if the Scientology moloch is looking kind of toothless and impotent
lately, it'd be wise to realize that it's *not* because it's grown any more
benign, or is 'running out of money', because I think that's not only wishful
thinking, but *dangerous* wishful thinking.
Certainly public criticism has reached the point where *income* is being
severly reduced, but, income is *not* the same as wealth, and the Cult has
accumulated enough wealth to spend a million dollars apiece on destroying or
'ruining utterly' literally hundreds of its 'enemies' if it *thought it could
get away with it*.
Yes, the 'Church' hates to spend its hoarded wealth, and would far prefer to
finance its pogroms from *income*, but, an unwary critic, suffering under the
delusion that the 'Church' is on its 'last legs' is very likely in for a rude
awakening.
The limiting factor isn't money, it's visibility. The internet is not only
the downfall of the 'Church' in making information about the 'Church' and
Xenu and Hubbard yadda yadda available, it's also the witness to every
outrage and rabid excess and barratrous lawsuit or false police report.
Tease the monster in front of cameras and you will almost certainly 'get away
with it'. Do so when nobody's watching and you're in for a surprise.
Why are'nt there more of the traditional Scientology 'Lawsuit Attacks'? I
doubt it's lack of money, but the past 10 years have been instructional even
to the 'Church' that such public executions are *public*, and inevitably
result in even *more* information about the 'Church' getting out.
But, the 'Church' will gladly spend the unspent warchest on playing the
martyr and hijacking the police and public prosecutors if a 'critic' gives
them a chance. Frame-ups, corruption and perjury are far more to its taste
anyway, if it can 'criminalize' criticism, thus 'validating' L. Ron Hubbard's
promise.
Which leads to my thoughts on 'picketing' in general, or other public
'action'.
Scientology criticism is *not* the same as 'union demonstrations', anti-war
demonstrations, political demonstrations.
All of those operate from a fairly large base of wide (even if minority)
public support. Scientology Criticism is a *small* group of aware citizens
opposing a tiny but practically infinitely 'wealthy' (for all practical
purposes) and completely unscrupulous psychopaths, who have spent literally
decades buying influence in society in general, and government in special.
There's often a lot of talk around here about 'Ghandi Tech' as if it were
some overriding moral imperative, which it may be for some.
But for others, pacifism isn't the be-all and end-all of protest, and the
continual harping on the 'moral high ground' may sound 'Uncle Tommish' and
overly meek.
So, let me put it this way; 'Ghandi Tech' isn't the best tactic because its
inherently the 'higher moral ground', but because it's the *only* tactic
which holds any promise.
It's the *only* tactic that the 'Church' can't exploit to position itself as
the 'poor widdle persecuted religion'. It's the only tactic that has any
hope of demonstrating to the *public* at large (and to the police who may or
may not be present) the essentially vicious and repugnant nature of the
'Church' and its methods.
The worst mistake a Scientology Critic can make is that he's operating on
some kind of 'level playing field' and will get a 'fair shake' from
authorities or the 'public' if he 'stands up for his rights'.
If you can't take a couple of shots without feeling the need to 'protect your
manhood' (whether man or woman) then you have no business being involved in
Scientology Criticism. Someone who 'answers in kind' to Scientology Assault
is worse than useless; he's a liability, because *every* such incident become
s a 'net gain' for the 'Church'; no matter how unfair that may be.
The 'Church' won't just go after you; it will go after your family, your
friends, your children your employers and neighbors. It's what they do.
The trick is to get them to do it in front of witnesses, while offering as
little vulnerability of your own as possible.
Even done perfectly, the 'Church' can manufacture 'incidents', but, 'Ghandi
Tech' is the best thing we've got, and no amount of bravado can replace it.
It's not *Scientology Critics* who will shut down Scientology, but
Scientology itself, when it slips too often and shows the foaming at the
mouth true nature of the beast enough that actual prosecutors and police
agencies can no longer afford to ignore it.
Zinj
--
There is one eternal truth about Scientology:
It's *always* worse than you think. This is a recursive phenomenon.
It's even worse than I think; and worse than I think I think it is.
Zinj
rockys...@postmaster.co.uk says...
<snip>
> But it does beg the question - how far should we persue the foe?
The point is not to 'pursue the foe'.
We don't have the tools or authority or ability to do that.
The point is to *lure the 'Church' out from under its rock into the light of
day.
*That* we can do :)
Then the people who do have the authority and subpoena power and arrest power
and warrant power can do what they're *supposed* to do.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Keith Henson
wrote:
snip
>I would encourage everyone to write letters to the editor; write your
>government officials, tell others and ask them to tell others. This is
>how the abuse and hurt can stop, by breaking the cycle of silence and
>fear.
I have written letters and otherwise contacted/tried to contact
government officials perhaps 100 times or more in the past 11 years.
Here is one of them:
http://www.operatingthetan.com/civil-rights-letter-redacted.htm
It is my considered opinion that the South Park episodes had more
effect than all the letters to government officials about scientology
ever written.
YMMV
Keith Henson
Muldoon
There is no act two, Playfullminx, and no popcorn.
Where were you Playfullminx? Were you being checked out on the 'Battle
Tactics' PL?
Keith Henson
wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:38:57 -0600, Michael Reuss
><michae...@spamthis.com> wrote:
snip
>>But since the government
>>seems to be disinterested, I'm willing to go slow, and allow the
>>ridicule of the internet to do it's job on Scientology.
>
>Disinterest I could cope with. That's not the big problem. The cult
>continues to corrupt the Riverside county government so that a few
>months ago deputies were operating out of their area, harassing
>Barbara Graham and looking for me. Not to mention the corrupt
>prosecution Bob Minton, Mark Bunker and I were subjected to.
Among the reasons I did not report for sentencing in the court of
Judge Wallerstein--who admitted he knew Mafia/Scientology lawyer
Elliot Abelson at the rigged trial in 2001--was this bit where a
county prosecutor, Tom Gage withheld the arraignment notice and with
the help of Moxon tried to entrap me into the crime of "failure to
appear." (It would have worked except the cult blow the op after
reading more than I intended into a motion in the Hartado case.)
Between this example of outright and serious criminal behaviour on the
part of DDA Tom Gage (and I think all the way to the top of the DA's
office) and the statement from my parole officer that the case against
me and harsh sentence he was forced to recommend were political, I
think I had good reason to fear for my life in the hands of county
officials--some of whom had already committed serious felonies for the
cult and obviously could get away with murder.
If any of you can read these facts otherwise I would be interested in
your thoughts.
*****************
H. Keith Henson
Box 60012 (302 College Ave.)
Palo Alto, CA 94306
650-325-7533
650-776-5702
hkhen...@pacbell.net
April 13, 2001
Sergeant Secor
Deputy Judge
Hemet Station, Riverside Sheriff Dept.
By Fax (909) 791-3410
Dear Sergeant Secor and Deputy Judge:
This is a follow-up to the interesting conversation we had at the
Hemet Station last Monday regarding my trying to report criminal
conduct on the part of certain members of the District Attorney’s
office. I don’t expect an answer, but note the cc list.
Your arguments against taking a complaint fell into three areas.
First, the attempt to get me arrested for failure to appear failed due
to me accidentally finding out about the arraignment. Thus no harm
was done and therefore there was no crime.
This makes no sense to me. Attempted bank robbery and attempted
murder are crimes, even if no harm has been done. Further, Section
622 of the Penal code specifies that perpetrators are to be sentenced
to one half of the sentence for the crime if they try and fail to
commit some crime. I am, for example, charged with 422/622 in the
case against me. Also note, I was reporting a crime under Section 132
of the Penal Code, which states that providing false information to a
court is a felony and does not require that any harm to come from it.
Second, that the “Release with: LETTER TO APPEAR” which is on the
court’s computer record of my case has no significance because it
might refer to “some packet of documents being released.”
Monday afternoon I went into the computer records of the court to see
what was said in other cases. Within the next ten ascending case
numbers from my case I found other examples and variations such as
“Release with: BAIL.” I asked the court clerk what this notation
meant and she stated that it was the status of the person against whom
the complaint was lodged, and further explained that the “LETTER” is
always the defendant’s copy of the four-part carbonless complaint
form. She made the point that the legal effect of this notation was
the same as a *sworn statement under oath* that the defendant had
notice either by being handed the complaint form in person or it being
mailed. On questioning she said the defendant’s copies (LETTER) went
out by regular mail.
This verifies the opinion of several lawyers I have consulted that
this notation in the computer records would have been ample cause for
any judge to issue an arrest warrant had I not shown up for
arraignment September 15, 2000. As I attempted to show you (and was
rebuffed) I *have* the “defendant’s copy.” It was (in error to be
sure) handed to me in the court the day I was arraigned. It has no
fold creases which is physical evidence that it was never mailed.
Between the note in the court’s record, and the unfolded and never
mailed “defendant’s copy,” I have *physical evidence* that false
information was introduced to the court in violation of Section 132 of
the Penal code. Also, this was done under color of law which enhances
the crime, and could make it into a Federal case.
Further, I claim at least one Deputy DA conspired with Scientology
lawyers Moxon and Paquette who had set up a bogus *videotaped*
deposition several days before the complaint issued. The arraignment
was set for the same date as the deposition in a case called Hurtado
v. Berry. Even though there was no reason for me to be deposed in
that case, I had agreed to the deposition date of September 15, 2000
on August 25, 2000, six days before the complaint was issued. It was
my trying to get a protective order in the Hurtado deposition which
caused this scheme, and in fact the entire Hurtado case, to go off the
rails.
Conspiracy is covered in Section 182, which reads in part:
182. (a) If two or more persons conspire: (1) To commit any crime. (2)
Falsely and maliciously to indict another for any crime, *or to
procure another to be charged or arrested for any crime.*
Normally, a scheme--failed or not--to get someone arrested for failure
to appear would be far fetched to the point of laughter. However, it
is a *religious precept* of Scientology that all their critics are
criminals, no matter how hard the Scientologists have to work to make
them criminals. There are at least a dozen exposed examples, the most
spectacular one being the author of “The Scandal of Scientology,”
Paulette Cooper. Scientology agents stole letterhead paper with Ms.
Cooper’s fingerprints on it, sent themselves a bomb threat, and turned
the bomb threat letter over to the FBI. Ms Cooper was indicted by a
grand jury on the basis of this faked evidence. Eventually she was
exonerated when an FBI raid on Scientology in the late 70s turned up
extensive files on this and similar planned operations against Ms
Cooper. Other and more recent examples are listed in the attached
letter to the FBI.
Your third reason for not taking a complaint, that the Sheriff’s
office is forbidden by law from taking complaints about criminal
conduct on the part of the district attorney, is one which--if
true--brooks no argument.
Please let me know if this protection extends to the Sheriff’s office
taking a complaint under Section 182 against Moxon and Paquette. They
attempted to require me to be in a far away deposition at the same
time as the arraignment.
Because of the dates, they could not have set it up after the
arraignment date was fixed. Thus the information flow had to be from
Moxon and Paquette to Deputy DA Tom Gage in order for him to sign and
file the complaint September 1, 2000 which resulted in overlapping
arraignment and deposition dates for September 15, 2000.
Sincerely,
H. Keith Henson
cc FBI
Attorney General
News media
posted
**********
>It is entirely possible the cult will fool cops into another swat team
>takedown the way they did at the Oakville Mall. That one came within
>a cat's whisker of turning into a blood bath. Gregg Hagglund had PTSD
>about it for over a year.
Keith Henson