FSU Dean Driscoll Seeks Removal of Monica Pignotti
George Orwell
"Dr. Pignotti demeaned the Ed.D. degree offered at our school, knowing nothing about it" said Driscoll in a prepared statement.
Pignotti made this statement on an Internet discussion board of the Church of Scientology. Pignott participates in heated discussions there, and is part of a coterie consisting of bomb threat maker Rob Clark, copyright infringer Eldon Braun, and failed cinematographer Patricia Greenway.
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Monica
More lies. No one has called for my termination and no such statement
was made by Dr. Driscoll. Free speech prevails. I did not express any
opinions whatsoever about FSU's EdD program in particular although
even if I had, there is academic freedom, since FSU is not a cult that
quashes anyone who criticizes their programs, even though I made no
criticism of FSU. I made a general comment about the EdD degree, as
have some of the professors I have taken classes with, which I am free
to do because at FSU there is academic freedom and someone would not
be removed for expressing such an opinion. The EdD is regarded as one
of the less scientifically rigorous, easier degrees to get than the
PhD and I stand by that opinion. You had better stop quoting FSU
faculty on statements they never made or you might find outself outed
and in serious legal trouble. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure
that FSU even offers the EdD. I know that they do offer a PhD in
Education which is a very scientifically rigorous program with
demanding statistically classes (I know because I took 6 of them and
have their stats certificate) and not the same degree at all as the
EdD.
Monica
hoser1605
Utter lies. Has no shame. Spit on him.
Monica
Just to show how ludicrous your statement is, the FSU College of
Education does not even offer the EdD degree. They offer PhDs in
various areas such as counseling, which are different degrees than the
EdD. Once again, you are exposed for the lying, libeling anonymous
coward that you are. No such statements have been made by anyone at
FSU.
http://www.coe.fsu.edu/departments/depart.links.html
Again, all you show is your own ignorance about the difference between
the PhD degree in Education and the EdD, not offered at FSU. They
offer masters level degrees in school psychology, MS/Ed.S, but their
doctoral level degrees are all PhDs, not EdD.
Also, Rob Clark has attacked me and has recently opined that he thinks
I am a kook (which I find hilarious, given his own history), so again,
your attempt to associate my name with his is ridiculous, as he
clearly is no friend of mine. Just because people post to the same
usenet group doesn't mean they are associated. There are literally
thousands of people here.
Monica
Deirdre Saoirse Moen
> Just to show how ludicrous your statement is, the FSU College of
> Education does not even offer the EdD degree. They offer PhDs in
> various areas such as counseling, which are different degrees than the
> EdD.
A relative's alma mater no longer offers the specific degree she
graduated with. Doesn't mean she didn't get it.
Just because they don't offer the program now doesn't mean they didn't
in the past. Sure, with an Ed.D., it's probable they wouldn't drop
that particular program, just thought I'd make the point that not
offering one now doesn't necessarily make one a liar.
(I have no opinion about who's telling what story here.)
Deirdre
Dennis L Erlich
>(I have no opinion about who's telling what story here.)
If she'd just quit lying about others, perhaps her "karmic load" would
lighten enough to allow her tormenters to cease their terrifying,
relentless harassment of poor Pignotti.
I'd tell her "practice what you preach" and that darn bad karma might
go away. But then she'd accuse me of thinking liek a Hindu minister.
'Stead of a scieno one.
D
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
Monica Pignotti
I have not lied about others. You are the one who is lying about me,
Dennis so your mystical blabbering about "karma" does not apply. Good
to see you found another way to say it other than the Scientology
terminology of "pulling it in" in the past. Maybe you are beginning to
recover, although you still hold onto the ideas that when people are
abused, they somehow brought it on themselves. So good progress in
your recovery, Dennis, but you still have a ways go go, it would seem.
Monica Pignotti
Sure, they could have offered it in the past, but the current claim
being made is about how allegedly the current Dean of the College of
Education is calling for my dismissal because I allegedly dissed FSU's
EdD program (which I did not -- I only made a very general statement
that I would not personally want to brag about an EdD so there would
be no motive for me to lie about having one). There are lies about me
on so many levels, I'm sure it is complicated for someone just coming
into all this. My point is that there is no current EdD program to
diss.
efish
as much as i wish for monica to stop replying to the fucking trolls, i
also wish for you, dennis, to stop needling her.
in other words, you are being no better than her.
just stop. both of you. because you are all playing into the fucking
cult's hands.
you should know better, dammit. this is all getting incredibly
annoying... and stupid.
-ef
Dennis L Erlich
>as much as i wish for monica to stop replying to the fucking trolls, i
>also wish for you, dennis, to stop needling her.
Let me see. She and her cohort Catherine Mann have publicly accused
me of being hateful, being on the cult's payroll, being under gag
order, and perpetrating a fraud with my ministry and a bunch of other
shit I won't bore you with since clearly you couldn't care less who
spreads lies about me.
Meantime Pignotti extols others not to jump to unwarranted conclusions
or forward lies and speculation about her. The hypocrisy of it makes
me sick. So I'll continue to call her on it, if you don't mind. And
even if you do.
>in other words, you are being no better than her.
Fuck you very much, ef.
I haven't slandered her, commented on her finances, her religion or
done anything but point out her illogic's and defend myself against
her attempts to DA and silence me.
Considering the fact that I think she's a lying POS, if you feel I am
no better than her, you certainly wouldn't want me as a friend.
Feel free to KF and un-friend me from FB. I've had my fill of fair-
weather friends.
D
Tom Klemesrud
> efish <efi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> as much as i wish for monica to stop replying to the fucking trolls, i
>> also wish for you, dennis, to stop needling her.
>
> Let me see. She and her cohort Catherine Mann have publicly accused
> me of being hateful, being on the cult's payroll, being under gag
> order, and perpetrating a fraud with my ministry and a bunch of other
> shit I won't bore you with since clearly you couldn't care less who
> spreads lies about me.
Let me take this opportunity to sign on with them, adding that the
pseudo-reverend seems to have turned into a profane ne'er-do-well most
likely from excruciating feelings of guilt for betraying those who
trusted him to keep his online pledges of paying them back for donations
to his defense, then secretly settling, taking the cult's money and
running to live in the luxury of Palms Springs.
Tom Klemesrud
> I have not lied about others. You are the one who is lying about me,
> Dennis so your mystical blabbering about "karma" does not apply. Good
> to see you found another way to say it other than the Scientology
> terminology of "pulling it in" in the past. Maybe you are beginning to
> recover, although you still hold onto the ideas that when people are
> abused, they somehow brought it on themselves. So good progress in
> your recovery, Dennis, but you still have a ways go go, it would seem.
>
I going to be a slow go--slow, like teaching a pitbull to tap dance.
John Dorsay
> efish <efi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>as much as i wish for monica to stop replying to the fucking trolls, i
>>also wish for you, dennis, to stop needling her.
>
> Let me see. She and her cohort Catherine Mann have publicly accused
> me of being hateful, being on the cult's payroll, being under gag
> order, and perpetrating a fraud with my ministry and a bunch of other
> shit I won't bore you with since clearly you couldn't care less who
> spreads lies about me.
>
> Meantime Pignotti extols others not to jump to unwarranted conclusions
> or forward lies and speculation about her. The hypocrisy of it makes
> me sick. So I'll continue to call her on it, if you don't mind. And
> even if you do.
If you think you need to, no one can stop you. But do you really
think anything you or anybody else writes in rebuttal is going to
change the opinions of people like Mary, Tom K and their
intellectual equals, for lack of a better description?
Do you think anyone outside of that distinguished group finds
Monica's ravings about you credible in any way at all?
If you do, I think you underestimate yourself.
As usual, just my opinion.
John
Dennis L Erlich
>Do you think anyone outside of that distinguished group finds
>Monica's ravings about you credible in any way at all?
No I can't think of any sensible person who would.
>If you do, I think you underestimate yourself.
>As usual, just my opinion.
Thanks, John. Much appreciated.
I guess I was just reality checking with the people I trust.
But I feel some of the "hateful material" I posted to FOM would be
worth the read to some folks on ars. I'll get this off my chest and
move on.
D
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"I'm not a superman
or Mister Wonderful, because
I'm the fool I never
fool I never thought I was." - M Knopfler
Monica Pignotti
> John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Do you think anyone outside of that distinguished group finds
> >Monica's ravings about you credible in any way at all?
>
> No I can't think of any sensible person who would.
>
> >If you do, I think you underestimate yourself.
> >As usual, just my opinion.
>
> Thanks, John. Much appreciated.
>
> I guess I was just reality checking with the people I trust.
>
> But I feel some of the "hateful material" I posted to FOM would be
> worth the read to some folks on ars. I'll get this off my chest and
> move on.
>
Although you are invoking the fallacy of argument from authority/
majority, I wouldn't be so sure of that, John. So, since you are
attempting to argue from authority/majority, I will respond in kind.
Dr. Cathleen Mann obviously agrees with me about Dennis Erlich, as her
posted message proves. Steve Hassan apologized to me for Dennis'
behavior, but I guess they don't count because they are only credible
professional people, not the ARSCC, individuals who for the most part
have little credibility elsewhere. Dennis, on the other hand, has
little if any credibility. His whole life has been about Scientology,
which is why he never bothered to change that 1969 minister
registration.
Aaron said something on his recent tape that really made a whole lot
of sense. He was noting how the SO takes advantage of various
personalities, one being the person who already was a bully. Not
everyone in the SO fits this -- Aaron also notes that some were people
who were themselves picked on or had other things going on, but this
profile does fit certain SO members. Those sorts of people who are
excellent fits for SO goon positions and Dennis certainly fit right in
with the bully type. While some people in the SO who were bullies are
nice people when they get out, not so with Dennis Erlich. He continues
to be a bully, 25+ years later because he was a natural fit for the
SO, in or out.
Poor Dennis. His "reality checking" is ARS. My reality checking is
reputable professional individuals in the real world such as Dr.
Cathleen Mann who see the same things in Dennis Erlich that I do.
For those who missed it:
Dr. Mann's statement:
Dennis's behavior on the FOM list, at the behest and encouragement of
Steve Hassan, was one of the last straws that prompted me, the real
owner of the listserv, to delete the whole listserv, which I did in
January, 2009. Steve Hassan liked to claim it was "his" list, but in
reality he did nothing to contribute to the list other than
occasionally use it as an advertising venue or to appropriate posts
without permission. I no longer associate with or support Steve
Hassan, and this is one of the many reasons. He asked Dennis to come
on the list specifically to attack Monica, and Steve was a coward in
not representing himself. Dennis was the perfect bulldog --
attacking, ad hominen all the time, arrogant, and very vulgar and
sexist. I was glad to be rid of him. I am sorry Steve Hassan has
such a person as a friend, which shows me he has very poor judgment in
this area. Monica attempted to defend herself and Dennis was the
epitome of an angry, hateful person. I am so glad I don't have to
deal with him or Steve Hassan ever again.
Cathleen Mann
Or do you also want to call Dr. Mann a raving kook?
Monica
John Dorsay
> On Nov 27, 12:35 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>> John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Do you think anyone outside of that distinguished group finds
>> >Monica's ravings about you credible in any way at all?
>>
>> No I can't think of any sensible person who would.
<snip>
>> But I feel some of the "hateful material" I posted to FOM would be
>> worth the read to some folks on ars. I'll get this off my chest and
>> move on.
>>
>
> Although you are invoking the fallacy of argument from authority/
> majority, I wouldn't be so sure of that, John. So, since you are
You are right, Monica. I should have asked Dennis if hee thought
anybody sensible *cared* about your petty and nasty ravings about
the FOM list etc. Please accept my apologies for not choosing my
words more carefully.
John
Monica Pignotti
Nasty ravings about the FOM list? Dennis obviously does care and
cannot seem to let go of the matter. Need I remind you that it was
Dennis that has repeatedly raised this topic, not I and now he follows
me around on threads where I am being attacked by proponents of bogus
therapies that I debunk, and attacks me further, saying I pulled it
in, had bad karma, and so forth and so on. How low is that? But of
course that is a hallmark of an abusive personality, to believe that
when someone has something bad happen to them, they did something to
deserve it.
Dennis, of course, seems to have lost his courage to make any kind of
meaningful contribution as an activist, since his settlement with
Scientology which I understand was quite lucrative and bought him a
house that I doubt he could have earned himself, so he seems to have
nothing better to do than attack those of us who are current activists
against bogus, abusive practices. Note that I'm not saying he agrees
with him, but his hopping onto threads where I am being attacked and
further attacking me is very low and abusive behavior on his part and
he has done this several times within the past few weeks.
I would have been very happy to let it go and had no intention of
posting here about it until Dennis raised the issue. When he raises
the issue and lies about the situation, saying I made threats to
Cathleen Mann, I have every right to refute that, which I have done
with Dr. Mann's own words. I suppose "sensible" is in the eyes of the
beholder. It's all a matter of opinion that readers can take for what
it's worth. Since for Dennis, a "reality check" is ARS, I'm sure he'll
take great comfort in your support even though others such as Cathleen
Mann and Steve Hassan, who can hardly be dismissed as kooks, see his
behavior as I do. But hey, Dennis has every right to hide his head in
the sand and not look at how his behavior is viewed by people outside
of ARS who are not so enamored with him, to say the least. Since Steve
Hassan and I made no agreement to keep our negotiation session
confidential, I can disclose that he told me that when he invited
Dennis onto the FOM list serv, he had no idea he would behave so badly
and he apologized me for that and conceded he had made a mistake in
having Dennis on the list.
Monica
John Dorsay
> On Nov 27, 8:36 am, John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Monica Pignotti wrote:
>> > On Nov 27, 12:35 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>> >> John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Do you think anyone outside of that distinguished group finds
>> >> >Monica's ravings about you credible in any way at all?
>>
>> >> No I can't think of any sensible person who would.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >> But I feel some of the "hateful material" I posted to FOM would be
>> >> worth the read to some folks on ars. I'll get this off my chest and
>> >> move on.
>>
>> > Although you are invoking the fallacy of argument from authority/
>> > majority, I wouldn't be so sure of that, John. So, since you are
>>
>> You are right, Monica. I should have asked Dennis if hee thought
>> anybody sensible *cared* about your petty and nasty ravings about
>> the FOM list etc. Please accept my apologies for not choosing my
>> words more carefully.
>>
>> John
>
> Nasty ravings about the FOM list? Dennis obviously does care and
> cannot seem to let go of the matter.
Dennis was concerned that someone outside the core group of village
idiots might mistake your unsupported opinions and unsubstantiated
statements as fact. That has not happened, nor is it likely to. I
am sure Dennis will now "let this go", just as he said he would.
Need I remind you that it was
> Dennis that has repeatedly raised this topic, not I and now he follows
> me around on threads where I am being attacked by proponents of bogus
> therapies that I debunk, and attacks me further, saying I pulled it
> in, had bad karma, and so forth and so on. How low is that? But of
Of course your suggestion that Dennis was allied with your abusive
cyberstalkers, and your nasty innuendos about his designation as a
cos minister, and your oft-repeated but unsupported claims that he
was abusive on the FOM list, and your unsupported claim that his
ministry is somehow less than genuine, of course none of this
influenced Dennis's conduct in any way.
> course that is a hallmark of an abusive personality, to believe that
Nasty, unsupported innuendo.
> when someone has something bad happen to them, they did something to
> deserve it.
That is *not* what Dennis said.
> Dennis, of course, seems to have lost his courage to make any kind of
> meaningful contribution as an activist, since his settlement with
More nasty, unsupported innuendo.
> Scientology which I understand was quite lucrative and bought him a
> house that I doubt he could have earned himself,
Unsubstantiated claims and conclusions therefrom.
so he seems to have
> nothing better to do than attack those of us who are current activists
> against bogus, abusive practices. Note that I'm not saying he agrees
> with him, but his hopping onto threads where I am being attacked and
It's not about you, Monica. Those of us who sprang to your defense
when your cyberstalkers discovered ars did so because the conduct of
your cyberstalkers was and remains reprehensible in many, many ways.
Their defence of abusive pseudoscience is reprehensible. Their
attempts to prevent people like you from expressing reasoned
criticism is reprehensible. Their abuse of children is
reprehensible. Their exploitation of desperate families is
reprehensible. Their anonymous smear campaign is reprehensible.
I can't speak for others, but I admire and respect the stand you
have taken against the AT crowd, and I will continue to support that
stand.
On the other hand, when you choose to engage in pettiness and
sophistry, I may choose to express my opinions about that as well.
> further attacking me is very low and abusive behavior on his part and
> he has done this several times within the past few weeks.
>
> I would have been very happy to let it go and had no intention of
Why don't you then.
John
Dennis L Erlich
>Dennis was concerned that someone outside the core group of village
>idiots might mistake your unsupported opinions and unsubstantiated
>statements as fact. That has not happened, nor is it likely to. I
>am sure Dennis will now "let this go", just as he said he would.
Yup.
pigno:
> Need I remind you that it was
>> Dennis that has repeatedly raised this topic, not I and now he follows
>> me around on threads where I am being attacked by proponents of bogus
>> therapies that I debunk, and attacks me further, saying I pulled it
>> in, had bad karma, and so forth and so on. How low is that? But of
john
>Of course your suggestion that Dennis was allied with your abusive
>cyberstalkers, and your nasty innuendos about his designation as a
>cos minister, and your oft-repeated but unsupported claims that he
>was abusive on the FOM list, and your unsupported claim that his
>ministry is somehow less than genuine, of course none of this
>influenced Dennis's conduct in any way.
Nope, John. It's got nothing to do with any of her actions.
Poor Pignotti is the innocent victim of hateful bullying if anyone
calls her out on the bullshit rhetorical twists, the nasty lies,
irrelevancies and sliemy innuendos she uses to try to silence her
critics.
Sprach Z
Spoken like a true ubermensch from the beer hall on the other side of
the tracks down by the stock yard.
Dennis's motto, "life is cheap, and so are we" doesn't work in academia.
Keep it in the sewers where it belongs.
Ted Mayett
>attacking, ad hominen all the time, arrogant, and very vulgar and
>sexist.
But but but, we are talking of the Reverend Dennis Erlich here!
Who would use words like "vulgar and sexist?" to describe this man?
We are talking of a man that his following his God-given religious
calling these days. Unless Rob Clark puts up documentation showing
the Reverend to be vulgar and sexist then the claims have no merit.
What do you say Rob? ......... oops, he is not reading this, I am now
one of the killfiled cocksuckers, oh well.
--
Ted Mayett
Critical information regarding Scientology
http://www.solitarytrees.net
Ted Mayett
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> But of
>course that is a hallmark of an abusive personality, to believe that
>when someone has something bad happen to them, they did something to
>deserve it.
Is this truly a fact in psych circles?
Ted Mayett
<info...@informer.org> wrote:
>Poor Pignotti is the innocent victim of hateful bullying if anyone
>calls her out on the bullshit rhetorical twists, the nasty lies,
>irrelevancies and sliemy innuendos she uses to try to silence her
>critics.
>
>D
Interesting.