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Michael Reuss

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Aug 2, 2005, 2:11:20 AM8/2/05
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Last evening, I was watching an episode of a "Law & Order, SVU," and a
series of striking similarities made me believe that Lisa McPherson's
death was the inspiration behind the plot for this episode. I'm not sure
if I was watching a rerun, or the initial broadcast.

Did anyone else happen to catch the show?

In the plot, the cops are investigating the death of a young girl, who
was found dead in an alley. After a few unnecessary diversions, we learn
that the girl's death is due to a pulmonary embolism caused by severe
dehydration. As the case developed, we learned that the woman died
elsewhere, and was dumped in the alley. There is evidence of forced
captivity and the use of restraints. She had cockroach bites on her
lower arms and hands. The forensic pathologist examining the body
declared that the girl had not had water for up to 5 days prior to her
death.

The girl, we learn later, was a member of a small cult group, which is
run by an egomaniacal medical doctor. She was recruited into the cult at
a private learning center, the operator of which convinced the girl to
run away from her home, and her loving parents, providing money and
false identification to make it easier for her to travel as a minor.

Later, we learn how she became impregnated by the unethical doctor, and
of how she came to view the doctor and the cult as phonies and
charlatans. She expressed her desire to leave the group home where the
young girls lived with their cult "mom." After another of the girls
rats out the dissenter (the victim), the dissenter is placed in
isolation in order to reeducate and reprogram her, so that she will no
longer wish to leave. She dies while in isolation, as described above.

Clearly, there are a few big differences between this story and
McPherson's. The age of the program victim is 14, Lisa was in her
mid-30s. The cult was small and marginal in the program, and Scientology
is highly influential in the political atmosphere of Clearwater,
Florida. But clearly the Lisa McPherson death inspired this episode.

Oh, and one big difference between this episode and the Lisa McPherson
story is that, on the TV show, the cult leader is ultimately convicted
of a homicide charge for his role in the girl's death. In the Lisa
McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.

Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid

Dave Touretzky

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Aug 2, 2005, 10:22:01 AM8/2/05
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In article <n42ue1p86d1odujjr...@4ax.com>,

Michael Reuss <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:
>
> In the Lisa
>McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
>because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
>examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
>McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.

That's not quite accurate. The state of Florida filed criminal
charges against FLAG (Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization)
for unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse of a disabled adult.

The case never went to trial, for the reason you stated above. After
the medical examiner, Dr. Joan Wood, who was subjected to cult
harassment and even, reportedly, blackmail, destroyed her own
credibility as a witness, the state was forced to drop the case. But
the charges *were* filed. Details are available on several Lisa
McPherson web sites.

Read Wood's deposition here:
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/lisa-criminal/JoanWoodDepo-06-01-00.pdf

No wonder Scientology hates the Internet.

-- Dave Touretzky: "This is your [dehydrated] corpse on Scientology."
http://LisaClause.org

Keith Henson

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Aug 2, 2005, 10:33:45 AM8/2/05
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:11:20 -0600, Michael Reuss
<michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:

>
>Last evening, I was watching an episode of a "Law & Order, SVU," and a
>series of striking similarities made me believe that Lisa McPherson's
>death was the inspiration behind the plot for this episode. I'm not sure
>if I was watching a rerun, or the initial broadcast.

It's the middle of summer. That *used* to be reruns. But while I
don't watch much TV, this is the kind of show that would have been
reported here. I don't remember any such show. If there is a web
site, they might have a listing of the shows.

And yeah, the details are such that the inspiration for the plot must
have been Lisa McPherson.

I wonder if the cult got wind of the show and harassed the production
company?

Skipper might know.

Keith Henson

Kim Palmer

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Aug 2, 2005, 10:50:20 AM8/2/05
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Keith Henson wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:11:20 -0600, Michael Reuss
> <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Last evening, I was watching an episode of a "Law & Order, SVU," and a
>>series of striking similarities made me believe that Lisa McPherson's
>>death was the inspiration behind the plot for this episode. I'm not sure
>>if I was watching a rerun, or the initial broadcast.
>
>
> It's the middle of summer. That *used* to be reruns. But while I
> don't watch much TV, this is the kind of show that would have been
> reported here. I don't remember any such show. If there is a web
> site, they might have a listing of the shows.
>
> And yeah, the details are such that the inspiration for the plot must
> have been Lisa McPherson.
>
> I wonder if the cult got wind of the show and harassed the production
> company?
>
> Skipper might know.
>
> Keith Henson

It is a re-run - and this particluar show has had at least two shows
dealing with cults in general - the entire Law and Order series has
had shows on cults - and the info is usually pretty good in terms of
how cults operate and get recruits and how leaders use and abuse members
and divide families etc. I sometimes wonder if the creator/writers have
had cult experiences because usually their scripts in this area are not
too far off the mark ( for TV anyway).

Kim P

WCB

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Aug 2, 2005, 11:18:01 AM8/2/05
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Dave Touretzky wrote:

> In article <n42ue1p86d1odujjr...@4ax.com>,
> Michael Reuss <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the Lisa
>>McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
>>because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
>>examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
>>McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.
>
> That's not quite accurate. The state of Florida filed criminal
> charges against FLAG (Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization)
> for unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse of a disabled adult.
>
> The case never went to trial, for the reason you stated above. After
> the medical examiner, Dr. Joan Wood, who was subjected to cult
> harassment and even, reportedly, blackmail, destroyed her own
> credibility as a witness, the state was forced to drop the case. But
> the charges *were* filed. Details are available on several Lisa
> McPherson web sites.

One wonders why the state never slapped an injunction on them
to cease incarcerating Scientologists and using the Introspection
Rundown. They are not licensed for treating psychiatric patients,
nor are their personel, nor is their physical plant going to pass
inspection and licensing for such a facility. Thus it would seem
that somebody would have decided to lay down the law and make
sure IR was banned outright. Locking any distraught of psychotic
person up against their will when you do not have the minimum
standards met to be able to be trusted to do so should not be tolerated.


--
When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.

roger gonnet

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Aug 2, 2005, 12:58:08 PM8/2/05
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"WCB" <wbar...@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
11ev35k...@corp.supernews.com...

> Dave Touretzky wrote:
>
>> In article <n42ue1p86d1odujjr...@4ax.com>,
>> Michael Reuss <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the Lisa
>>>McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
>>>because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
>>>examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
>>>McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.
>>
>> That's not quite accurate. The state of Florida filed criminal
>> charges against FLAG (Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization)
>> for unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse of a disabled adult.
>>
>> The case never went to trial, for the reason you stated above. After
>> the medical examiner, Dr. Joan Wood, who was subjected to cult
>> harassment and even, reportedly, blackmail, destroyed her own
>> credibility as a witness, the state was forced to drop the case. But
>> the charges *were* filed. Details are available on several Lisa
>> McPherson web sites.

They avoided the sentence, but did not avoid the reputation of a killer cult
they had gotten since decades and are still reinforcing.

I'll disclose one more suicide here and now.

Some years ago, another french father of two kids jumped through the window of
his flat almost before the eyes of his kids.

The guy has spent 200000 F (some 30000 dollars) to scientology with his family,
and had worked one year free for the criminal cult.

That day, he received a letter saying he was unfit and had to take another
100000 F of training.

He jumped through the window.

His widow, now ca 40, is still in scientology and active.

She lied to the police and declared he was putting paper on the walls and fell.


>
> One wonders why the state never slapped an injunction on them
> to cease incarcerating Scientologists and using the Introspection
> Rundown. They are not licensed for treating psychiatric patients,
> nor are their personel, nor is their physical plant going to pass
> inspection and licensing for such a facility. Thus it would seem
> that somebody would have decided to lay down the law and make
> sure IR was banned outright. Locking any distraught of psychotic
> person up against their will when you do not have the minimum
> standards met to be able to be trusted to do so should not be tolerated.

indeed.

r


Keith Henson

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Aug 2, 2005, 1:03:30 PM8/2/05
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On 2 Aug 2005 10:22:01 -0400, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>In article <n42ue1p86d1odujjr...@4ax.com>,
>Michael Reuss <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the Lisa
>>McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
>>because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
>>examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
>>McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.
>
>That's not quite accurate. The state of Florida filed criminal
>charges against FLAG (Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization)
>for unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse of a disabled adult.
>
>The case never went to trial, for the reason you stated above. After
>the medical examiner, Dr. Joan Wood, who was subjected to cult
>harassment and even, reportedly, blackmail,

I happen to know what the blackmail was. Ask me sometime.

>destroyed her own
>credibility as a witness,

A rumor I tend to credit is that Dr. Wood spent almost a year in the
Morton Plant mental ward. A rumor I am not so certain about is that
the reason she was there is that scientology managed to dose her with
an awful lot of LSD.

In any case, whatever happened to her was sudden since a box of
Christmas decorations was left on her dining room table and not
touched for many months.

If someone had access to the local property records it would be
interesting to see if the rumor scientology bought a house close to
her house was true.

> the state was forced to drop the case.

The charges they filed would have held even if Lisa McPherson had
lived. They were not "forced" by the doctor's problems. McCabe used
the Dr. Joan Wood mess as an excuse to get out of a budget buster.

He expected scientology to pay $11,000 in fines for the charges,
instead they spent upwards of $11 million fighting them.

I wonder if the Florida sunshine laws would let someone find out what
the prosecution spent on that case? It was certainly substantial.
The CD filled with documents the police released testifies to that.

Keith Henson

Michael Reuss

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Aug 2, 2005, 1:27:57 PM8/2/05
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> d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>> Michael Reuss <michae...@spam.this.com> wrote:

>> In the Lisa
>> McPherson's case, no criminal charges were ever brought against anyone,
>> because of the cult's manipulation of the Pinellas County medical
>> examiner, who changed her conclusions about the cause of death on Lisa
>> McPherson's death certificate, after Scientology began to harass her.

> That's not quite accurate. The state of Florida filed criminal
> charges against FLAG (Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization)
> for unauthorized practice of medicine and abuse of a disabled adult.

That's right, I remember that FLAG was indeed charged as an organization
or a corporation. The fact that the entire entity was being charged,
rather than individuals, made this case very unusual.

In the end, Lisa's death has never meant diddly-squat to Scientology.
Other Scientology members were still using her checking account days
after she had died. And now, her former so-called "friends" deface
tributes to her memory, simply because critics of Scientology rallied
around the cause of trying to stop the injustices that were done to her.

Stacy Moxon's death never gave the cult of Scientology much pause,
either. The cult just goes about it's business manufacturing shore
stories to reduce it's own culpability after these young women died
tragically. To them, it wasn't the person dying, it was only meat,
right?

And it's too bad about the loss of Joan Wood's career and reputation.
One lesson her story teaches is that caving into the cult can be just as
devastating as standing up to the cult. She thought her problems would
end if she capitulated to the cult's demand to change the cause of
death. Unfortunately for her, she found that her problems could get
worse.

I think that's a lesson all our public officials need to understand,
believe, and internalize. They must never allow respect for religious
rights and freedoms to trump the individual rights of others. They
cannot afford the luxury (if it can be called that) of passively
yielding to fascist and totalitarian tactics in our democratic republic.


Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid

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Tigger Tigger

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(Michael Reuss) wrote:

>Last evening, I was watching an episode
> of a "Law & Order, SVU," and a series of
> striking similarities made me believe
> that Lisa McPherson's death was the
> inspiration behind the plot for this
> episode. I'm not sure if I was watching a
> rerun, or the initial broadcast.

>Did anyone else happen to catch the
> show?

No, I missed it. If/when I watch tv, it's usually the news programs.
Thanks for letting me know I should watch this program, which apparently
does a lot of cult related shows.

What I don't get is why some news program doesn't do a "The Life & Death
of Lisa McPherson". On Sunday, Dateline aired a program about deaths
at the "Brown School", in Austin, Texas, a psychiatric rehab which
treats brain-injuries, ADD, drug abuse, etc. (A relative of mine, who
suffered a brain stem injury in a car accident, was treated at the Brown
School in 1990 for almost a year. The Brown School is now the Texas
Neuro Rehab Center)

Dateline (NBC) did two programs on and/or with Bob Minton. So when is
it and/or the other news programs going to do programs on Lisa
McPherson and/or Jeremy Perkins, especially now that a
"know-it-all" actor, (Tom Cruise), who doesn't know much about
scientology or psychiatry, has gotten in the face of Today show host,
Matt Lauer and declared Brooke Shields was irresponsibloe for seeking
medical treatment instead of taking vitamins and exercising.

Shoot, they could also do a program on Gov. Jeb Bush instructing Bernie
McCabe to "investigate" the Terri Schiavo case after Terri's autopsy.
And ask him why the "treatment" and death of Lisa McPherson doesn't
merit another look now that the Florida Health Dept. has claimed Dr.
Joan Wood was an "advocate" of the "church" that caused her death.

Tigger

Mike O'Connor

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Aug 2, 2005, 11:47:09 PM8/2/05
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In article <11170-42F...@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net>,
Tiggeri...@webtv.net (Tigger Tigger) wrote:

> What I don't get is why some news program doesn't do a "The Life & Death
> of Lisa McPherson".

I'm guessing once the cult falls for good there will be several books,
TV stories or motion pictures. The cult needs to come down for several
reasons, one of them being to give each story a happy ending. Many of
these stories have good beginnings and middles but no real ends.

A few of the stories I'd like to see involve Lisa McPherson, Bob Minton,
Keith Henson, and Dennis Erlich.

One thing I'm NOT very interested in is the story of L. Ron Hubbard.
Though it seems a natural at first, I think in the end, his personal
story and the history of his incredible and complex scam pales in
comparison to stories that revolve around the people victimized by it.

--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Remember Lisa McPherson

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anonymous...@gmail.com

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"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!""retro-active abortion!""up until,
say, the age of six months" - David Stuart Touretzky

FEDERAL GRANTS FUNDING RACISM AND BIGOTRY
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf

David Touretzky is a researcher in the Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Department. He also spends hundreds of hours spreading hatred over the
internet from his office at CMU. Touretzky works nights instead of the
usual school hours and so is able to spend much of his time online,
unobserved by colleagues and administrators. As a result, almost any
evening Touretzky can be found using the resources and facilities of
Carnegie Mellon University to preach his racist, bigoted views to
anyone from his fellow fanatics to his unsuspecting students, while the
taxpayers pay the bills.

Touretzky is deeply involved in extremist activities and, as an
example, it has been calculated that, in less than a year, he spent
over 300 of his supposed "working" hours participating in hate
newgroups and chat rooms. It must be presumed that Touretzky was paid
full salary while he spent those 300 hours spreading hate on the
internet, a fact that should be of concern to his employers at CMU as
well as those government and private institutions that fund Touretzky's
considerable research grants, which amount to more than $5,000,000.00,
producing, in the opinion of RFW, absolutely nothing worthwhile, yet he
keeps asking for more money for his "research" on rats. In fact
Touretzky admist that he is overpaid and it is to his advantage if
taxes are raised by the Federal Government:

"My money comes mostly from the US govt, not corporations. So if we
raise taxes and hike the NSF and NIH and DARPA budgets, that would be
to my benefit. ... I'm already overpaid." -- David Touretzky

As examples of this kind of the sick content he encourages anyone to
view, one of these sites uses pornography to mock and desecrate
religious practices while another provides detailed instructions on how
to build a fertilizer bomb (the kind Timothy McVeigh copied off the
internet and used to massacre men, women and childres in Oklahoma
City).

When called to account for his hate activities, Touretzky is quick to
hide behind the banner of "free speech" -- a specious argument at best
when one considers that Touretzky's entire anti-religious hate campaign
is specifically designed to denigrate the beliefs of others and thereby
inhibit their ability to practice their religion and speak freely about
their beliefs.

Recently one of Touretzky's fellow newsgroup members proved this
hypocrisy by posting to the internet information about Touretzky's
visits to a local sex shop and the purchases he makes there. Did
Touretzky respect her right to "free speech?" Of course not. On the
contrary, he kicked up such a row that the Internet Service Providers
in question took the sites down, regardless of the fact that they were
violating that individual's Constitutional rights.

While racism and bigotry are sicknesses that we must tolerate in
private individuals in order to have a free society, as taxpayers we
are under no obligation to pay their salaries or tolerate their misuse
of our public institutions. David Touretzky is using Carnegie Mellon
University as a platform for his hate agenda, in violation of
University policy. He constantly uses his position as a CMU professor
to lend credibility to his views, even giving press interviews from his
office. In a Danish TV Touretezky portrayed himself as "expert" on
matters about which he has no clues, but again he made it look as if
CMU was sanctioning his interviews.

David Touretzky is not a person who makes the occasional discriminatory
remark out of ignorance. On the contrary, he is engaged in a dedicated
attack on races and religions.

For more information on David Touretzky and his extremist activities
and associates, visit
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/index.html

We invite you to read the statements Touretzky has made and decide for
yourself whether or not Touretzky should be allowed to continue his
activities at the expense of the taxpayer, and whether or not he should
be considered a social "expert" of any kind. If you think he should
not, contact your local Senator and Representative and request their
assistance to look into Touretzky's utilization of government funds.
For more information on how to find your Senator or Representative
visit http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov. If you know of
instances of David Touretzky being involved in wasting or misusing of
government funds you can also write to
webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org.

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky.pdf


anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/medianews/DavidTouretzky01.pdf
>
> DAVID TOURETZKY'S DESPERATE BID FOR 15 MINUTES OF FAME
>
> Years ago, David Touretzky, a researcher at Carnegie Mellon University,
> managed to gain prominence in extremist circles by presenting
> himself as something other than an extremist: a respectable academic.
> Not surprisingly, this made him something of a celebrity among the
> bigots, racists and criminals. And so here Touretzky entertained
> himself, a big fish in a very small pond, until he saw an opportunity
> to seek wider recognition. David Touretzky portrays himself as
> an expert on religion from a prestigious university and by tempering
> his usual hate rhetoric to sound like a reasonable individual,
> seemed able to offer an informed opinion. Media interviewers rarely
> suspected they were opening the door to an avowed atheist with an
> extremist agenda and a history of lies.
>
> David Touretzky admitted his atheism on Glenn Beck's syndicated radio
> program:
>
> Glenn Beck: David, are you a religious guy?
> Touretzky: No, I am not.
> Glenn Beck: Are you an atheist?
> Touretzky: I am, yes.
>
> This admission shows the falsity of the image Touretzky has tried
> to present of himself as an informed, objective, expert on religion
> - for there is nothing objective or even honest about an atheist
> talking about the religious beliefs of others. David Touretzky
> has never studied religions he so vehemently attacks. While the
> social betterment activities sponsored by the Church of Scientology,
> for example, routinely achieve thousands of successes weekly in
> teaching people how to read and how to learn, Touretzky continues
> to look to rodent behavior to answer his own ignorance about how
> man learns. Somehow he believes that experimenting on live rats
> makes him qualified to denigrate the efforts of those who actually
> get results with human beings.
>
> But Touretzky's hate campaign does not stop there. He denigrates
> anyone he deems less worthy than himself - African-Americans,
> Hispanics, Muslims - borne out by his racist rants in extremist
> chat rooms as well as his close association with Arnaldo Lerma,
> a supporter of Neo-Nazi leader Willis Carto and Utopian Anarchist
> Party boss, William White.
>
> >From all appearances, David Touretzky has a weakness for self-
> importance. Perhaps he has achieved as much notoriety as he is
> likely to in the field of rat brain research and this presents
> a problem for someone who craves the kind of attention not usually
> afforded to inconsequential researchers, but he continues to seek
> out media sources he feels he can deceive. For Touretzky, who
> appears to have long ago abandoned the effort to make a positive
> contribution to the lives of others, there only remains the effort
> to tear down those who can.
>
> David Touretzky caught lying:
>
> >From Glenn Beck's Syndicated "After Show," July 1, 2005
>
> Sylvia Stannard: One of his (David Touretzky's) statements is
> ... "I'm for postpartum abortion, retroaction abortion, up to
> six months."
>
> Glenn Beck: Hold on, wait a minute. David?
>
> Touretzky: Yes?
>
> Touretzky: Of course not!
>
> The following excerpt from a chat room log reveals the exact
> truth of what David Stuart Touretzky (a.k.a. "dst") said:
>
> "Sat, Dec 7 2002 8:41:46 PM -0800 (PST)
>
> ...
> <dst_home> Ed': oh, it doesn't matter what the candidates say
> about birth control or abortion, cuz nothing is ever going to
> happen in that department.
> <dst_home> There are too many Republican women with secret
> abortions in their past.
> ...
> <dst_home> anyway, abortion is a dead issue in the US
> <dst_home> the right just doesn't want to admit it
> <dst_home> Maybe they'll ban partial abortion though.
> <dst_home> Not that I think they should.
> <Bunnyann> it is why those nice conservatiive women such as
> myself voted for bill clinton
> <dst_home> Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
> <dst_home> retro-active abortion!
> <dst_home> up until, say, the age of six months
> <Bunnyann> they saw that [expletive redacted] pat buchanan on
> the podium running things and went and voted for clinton
> <Bunnyann> i think partial birth is up to a woman and her
> doctor"
>
> ================================================================
>
> Religious Freedom Watch investigates and exposes individuals who
> breed racism and anti-religious intolerance through hate speech.
> For more information about David Touretzky, visit
> http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky00.html.
> Anyone with information concerning the extremist activities of
> David Touretzky is invited to contact us at
> webmas...@religiousfreedomwatch.org

Barbara Schwarz

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anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!""retro-active abortion!""up until,
> say, the age of six months" - David Stuart Touretzky


Some people could be dismantled as thetan and exploded in many parts
and then hypnotized to pick up germ bodies. They could become
cockroaches or a batch of salmonella.

I know, it is gruesome, I did not invent it, but psychs did.


Barbara Schwarz

WCB

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Barbara Schwarz wrote:

Elron's Racist writings. Hubbard the racist bigot.

The South African native is probably the one impossible person
to train in the entire world? he is probably impossible by any
human standard.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September 1957.

....

...it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any program of the
rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health...

-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB April 1960, "The Scientific Treatment of the Insane"

The South African Rundown, the only Scientology rundown targeted at a
specific ethnic group, was developed for "delivery to South Africans, those
who
reside in South Africa as well as those who have emigrated to other parts of
the world". Hubbard apparently felt they required special processing because
they were "untrainable" and "insane".

The Church's auditing tool, the E-meter, requires adjustment in order to
accommodate
the needle's larger movements because of the intensity of a Bantu's
undisclosed
transgressions ("withholds").

A "black South African's" withholds read not only on the needle [of the
E-meter]
alone but on the Tone Arm [sensitivity adjustment] as well.

-L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, section I: "Meter Oddities", 1988 (pg.
24)

...
Because the one thing, the very, very commercial little culture the Bantu
has
... the idea of commerce and money and that sort of thing is very deeply
ingrained in these people.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, "Errors in Time", 18
July 1963

Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought is one of Scientology's basic
public
texts and has this to say about African "savages":

Just as individuals can be seen, by observing nations, so we see the African
tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on
brutality
and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.

It was republished in 1997, perpetuating Hubbard's racist view of Africans.

...

...the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no
madhouses
provided by his tribe.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Bridge
Publications,
Los Angeles, 1995.

The Church runs security checks on members suspected of certain criminal
behaviors.
The Johannesburg Security Check was "the roughest security check in
Scientology"
and consisted of a series of pointed questions which the Scientologist must
answer
while on the E-meter (used in this case not as an auditing tool but as a lie
detector). The contents of this security check were later incorporated into
The
Only Valid Security Check. Included in the list of "crimes" is engaging in
an
intimate relationship with a member of a "colored" race. Selected portion of
the questions:

Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color?
Have you ever committed culpable homicide?
Have you ever bombed anything?
Have you ever murdered anyone?
Have you ever kidnapped anyone?


-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter (HCOPL) 7
April 1961, "Johannesburg Security Check"

-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy "Letter (HCOPL)
22 May 1961, "The Only Valid Security Check"

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There are hints that Scientology membership was limited to whites, at least
initially, in the orgs of southern Africa. In the first quote, Hubbard is
concerned about the World Bank taking control of England and the general
advance of Communism. He believes a stronghold of civilization can be set
up in Africa to ensure the survival of white Anglo-American culture. In
the second quote, Hubbard praises the South African org, that, in spite
of the limited white population from which to recruit, managed to outproduce
all other Scientology orgs.

Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so on
moving
into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in
Southern
Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case
the
northern hemisphere's lights go out.

-L. Ron Hubbard, recorded talk to the Saint Hill staff about Rhodesia, 6 May
1966

As South Africa has a white population of only 2.8 million or thereabouts,
you
can see that every other central organization in the world has been
out-created.

-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 17 July 1959, "Africa over the Top"

Hubbard sought to create a Scientology homeland in South Africa or Rhodesia
(Zimbabwe).
The Church claims it opposed the white minority governments (yet most of its
activity
in the early years took place in colonial states where whites ruled and
English was
the official language: England, United States, Australia, South Africa,
Rhodesia);
Hubbard, however, appears to have thought the problem of apartheid was
overstated.

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It is considered in England and the United States that the Government of
South Africa
is altogether too harsh with its native peoples. It is sadly humorous to
notice that
the native in South Africa, however, holds an exactly reverse opinion and
the fault
he finds with the South African Government is that it is far too lenient in
its
administration of laws throughout the native populace.

-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 96, "Justice", 15 September 1956

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The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no
native
problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England!
...
The South African government is not a police state. It's easier on people
than
the United States government!

-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin (HCOB) 10 October
1960
(quoted in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid by Chris Owen)

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Hubbard praises the South African government's handling of the black slums
in Johannesburg:

Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may
I state that you have
conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the
most impressive and
adequate resettlement activity in existence.

L. Ron Hubbard, Letter to South African Apartheid Government, 7 November
1960, Johannesburg; reprinted
in K.T.C. Kotzé, Inquiry into the Effects and Practices of Scientology,
Pretoria, 1973 (as quoted by
Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid)

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Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives
of the tribe of the Bugga-Bugga-Booga-Boogas down in Lower Bugga-Wugga
Booga-Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red
flags today and revolting against their central government.

Well, the British Tommy that went down there with his Snider, or his
Lee-Enfield, and brought them higher education in the first place was
only occasionally followed by anybody who taught them anything. And
they didn't learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture
rapidly.

They've been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know,
dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level
of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.

-L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, "Study: Evaluation and Information",
lecture given 11 August 1964

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You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself
a nigger; that's what they're born for.

-L Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb

--------------------------------

Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south,
where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost
and the wagon and the whip and anything around there?a hat. They talk
to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with
personality.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80, Part I, "Route to
Infinity", 21 May 1952

-----------------------


Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can
get
attention from matter or objects.
...
The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from
whites and that yellow and brown people's attention is worthless. Thus
the yellow and brown races are not very progressive, but, by and large,
saner.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.

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Now we say there's, well, another place in the world?there's India.
Wonderful place ? except for its people.

-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Control of Hysteria" (lecture), 15 April 1957.

--------------------------------

In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could
force people to do things a gun and a whip [sic] and he accomplished
a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn't advance
that civilization very much.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September
1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill
Organization) (as quoted by Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for
Apartheid)

-------------------------------

He's [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he
lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going
crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about
the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.

This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been
eating death for a very long time and it is death.

The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader.
He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration
and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.

...the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem
and disease and poverty and political unrest.

-L. Ron Hubbard, 20th Advanced Clinical Course, "Case Analysis rock
Hunting",
lecture of 4 August 1958

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Hubbard on Egyptians:

Past civilizations have vanished, you see...Hindi, Greek, Roman,
European, they did vanish. These little beaten-down peasants you
see in France were once the proud Romans. Those small brown men w
ho sell their sisters on the streets of Cairo were once the mighty
Egyptians.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Ability, issue 56, October 1957, quoted in Winning
("News Journal of the Office of Special Affairs") vol.1, iss.3, 1997
(quoted in a.r.s. post by Peter Lucey)

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Hubbard on Jews
Furthermore, [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a
fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously
all modern European stock.

-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, "A Critique of Psychoanalysis", 10 July 1956

------------------------------------------------

This is the only way I know of to keep Anzo from being deluged with Asiatic
hordes.

-L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Information Letter, "Anzo Supplement", 17 February 1969

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Japanese is a baby talk ? very, very hard to read, very, very, easy to talk.
... A very faint kind of language.

-L. Ron Hubbard, New Slant on Life, Bridge Publications, 1997.

------------------------------------

One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is
probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have
many lines and strokes to them. ... We wonder why they went
mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn't win.
That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.

-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Part Played by the Analytical Mind" (
lecture), 19 July 1950 (as quoted by Anthony Roberts in a.r.s. post)

-----------------------------------------

A science of mind is a goal which has engrossed thousands of
generations of Man. Armies, dynasties and whole civilizations have
perished for the lack of it. Rome went to dust for the want of it.
China swims in blood for the need of it; and down in the arsenal
is an atom bomb, its hopeful nose full-armed in ignorance of it.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,
Chapter 1: "The Scope of Dianetics", Church of Scientology of
California Publication Organization, Los Angeles, CA, 1950

-----------------------------------------------

When this government [Chiang Kaishek's] finally fell there was
no one ready to teach the Chinese the human way of life.

-L. Ron Hubbard, The Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin, Vol. 2, No.
1, "Education and the Auditor", July 1951

And we see at the other extreme China, slavishly dedicated to
ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient
rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.

-L. Ron Hubbard, Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter "Causation and
Knowledge", Section "Civilization and Savagery", page 113-114, 1997.

You can put these things into the hands of some Chinese and send
him to Hong Kong and we'll have cleared chinks.

-L. Ron Hubbard, tape 5211C06A LS-1, "Methods of Research - The
Thetan as an Energy Unit"; also known as "Secrets of the MEST
Universe", lecture 1)


...[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to
overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage.
One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen
without much effort.

A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.

They smell of all the baths they didn't take.
The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.

-L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.

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Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!

Cheerful Charlie

WCB

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Robert Carlson

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Robert Carlson
---
Deadbeat dad working for the Church of Scientology's Office of Special
Affairs.
Also know as: Faxhor, anon...@gmail.com, SunSurfer,
classifi...@gmail.com, Jet, etc, etc, etc...

Read L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations, one of the earliest examples of OT solo
auditing.

http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/nl/english/admissions-hubbard.html
or
http://www.lermanet2.com/reference/Admissions.pdf

L Ron Hubbard's Affirmations inspire me!


Robert Carlson

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Barbara Schwarz

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WCB wrote:
> anonymous...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Elron's

We all know that you post out of context, fabrications and forgeries,
Willy.

Barbara Schwarz

WCB

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Barbara Schwarz wrote:

I posted as long serious of Elron's ugly racist comments.
Theyar eall sources and anybody can doublecheck
and see, its Hubbard alright.

Thanks to your buddy Carlton, Hubbard's racism
is now spread all over the net as of late.

Hubbard was a thoughtless man.

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