Scientologists Online!
Beckyboo
"On the day when we can fully trust each other there will be peace on
earth." - L. Ron Hubbard
Take that one to the bank DM...
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Becky
Fear Not
These links are to names in each state that have the names of people in
that state. These lead to the old cookie cutter pages that members of
Scientology were encouraged to make and also the 'Net Nanny' was
installed on their computers without their knowledge.
I thought it would be interesting to count the number of Scientology
Online there is in the United States.
Alabama - 6
Alaska - 10
Arizona - 122
Arkansas - 1
California - 3788
Colorado - 69
Connecticut - 111
District of Columbia - 21
Florida - 1534
Georgia - 120
Hawaii - 34
Idaho - 1
Illinois - 204
Indiana - 31
Iowa - 5
Kansas - 40
Kentucky - 17
Louisiana - 52
Maine - 15
Maryland - 47
Massachusetts - 133
Michigan - 97
Minnesota - 79
Mississippi - 9
Missouri - unknown, link doesn't work
Nevada - 148
New Hampshire - 22
New Jersey - 135
New Mexico - 57
New York - 325
North Carolina - 32
Ohio - 124
Oklahoma - 14
Oregon - 159
Pennsylvania - 80
Puerto Rico - 80
Rhode Island - 5
South Carolina - 18
South Dakota - 1
Tennessee - 18
Texas - 176
Utah - 43
Vermont - 3
Virginia - 101
Washington - 121
West Virginia - 9
Wisconsin - 35
Wyoming - 2
Total number of Scientology Online Web Pages is 8,254.
(did not check if individual web pages are working)
There is supposed to be a huge number of Scientologist's in the United
States.
In reality the numbers just don't seem to add up any way you look at
it.
8,254 Scientologist's.
cultxpt
Scientology always claims they have 10,000 members just in the
Clearwater area. I'm surprised how low the number for Florida is. There
have been names removed also. I wonder if you ask to have your removed
if they'd do it?
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Beckyboo wrote:
> http://home.scientology.org/cntinent/namerica/index.htm
>
> "On the day when we can fully trust each other there will be peace on
> earth." - L. Ron Hubbard
Let's go for it.
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There is another hysterical kook spammer who calls herself
Butterflygrrrl, (also called the Outhouse-fly) from Sheridan, Oregon,
(butterfly_grrl...@yahoo.com, NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.191.97.220). Sounds
mental, like a drunk fruitcake. She's telling people to sue her without
providing her address for service. She is defaming, libeling, harassing
and abusing numerous people and thinks that there is no legal way to
hold her accountable for her crimes. She is stupid, hateful and
uneducated.
Tigger
Apparently not.
What You Should Know About Scientologists-on-Line
Google Groups: alt.religion.scientology
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/96c67299bf975717/2a340717cddfdc8a?lnk=gst&q=Dr.+Donna%2C+Tigger&rnum=1&hl=en
Tigger
R. Hill
Great work! That must have been painstaking to count the list. Out of
curiosity, I went to webarchive.org, browsed Aug. 11, 2002 archives,
and got 3988 scientologists online for California circa 2002-2003 --
while you counted 3788 as of 2007... More hints of "growth" I guess...
Did you notice some lists have more than one page (example:
California's Cs, Ms, Ss etc.)? I almost overlooked that which would
result in a smaller count.
Ray.
Fear Not
R. Hill wrote:
> Great work! That must have been painstaking to count the list. Out of
> curiosity, I went to webarchive.org, browsed Aug. 11, 2002 archives,
> and got 3988 scientologists online for California circa 2002-2003 --
> while you counted 3788 as of 2007... More hints of "growth" I guess...
>
> Did you notice some lists have more than one page (example:
> California's Cs, Ms, Ss etc.)? I almost overlooked that which would
> result in a smaller count.
>
> Ray.
Yes, I noticed a few states were listed by alphabet.
California, Florida and New York were listed by stae and then
alphabetically, all the others were
just under the state.
I counted them all.
I do think they have updated this list in the last few years.
Fear Not
R. Hill wrote:
> Great work! That must have been painstaking to count the list. Out of
> curiosity, I went to webarchive.org, browsed Aug. 11, 2002 archives,
> and got 3988 scientologists online for California circa 2002-2003 --
> while you counted 3788 as of 2007... More hints of "growth" I guess...
>
> Did you notice some lists have more than one page (example:
> California's Cs, Ms, Ss etc.)? I almost overlooked that which would
> result in a smaller count.
>
> Ray.
Yes, I noticed a few states were listed by alphabet.
California, Florida and New York were listed by state and then
Beckyboo
Thank you!
Agreed...great work and appreciated....I found this with a Wisconsin
search only, but no time to do what you did. I did click on a few
listed in WI and IL and some were working, others were not. Have 20
people coming for dinner...so in a rush here.
Thanks again. Team work...a great thing!
:-)
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Becky
barbz
Heh, how amusing:
California - 3788
Florida - 1534
Everywhere else, they're Three Digit Midgets!
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barbz
(oh, wait, that's not a Good Thing!<tm>
realpch
And Florida. Hmmm. Maybe it's the oranges.
Peach
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Zinj
> barbz wrote:
<snip>
> > Hah! Hah! Hah! California ROOLZ!!!
> > (oh, wait, that's not a Good Thing!<tm>
> >
>
> And Florida. Hmmm. Maybe it's the oranges.
Possibly it's the 'Narcissism Index'.
Quite likely Washington DC has a higher percentage of
Scientologists than any other comparable 'area', although, quite
likely a high percentage are 'under cover' and unwilling to
admit to being Scientologists.
Wait; Scientologists *already* have the highest percentage of
'adherents' unwilling to admit to it...
Zinj
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R. Hill
U.S., Dec. 2002: 8685
U.S., Jan. 2007: 8403 (-3.25%)
Canada, Dec. 2002: 441
Canada, Jan. 2007: 427 (-4.54%)
Mexico, Dec. 2002: 374
Mexico, Jan. 2007: 361 (-3.48%)
North America, Dec. 2002: 9500
North America, Jan. 2007: 9191 (-3.25%)
Webarchive.org for Dec. 2002 data (which may actually be -3 months or
+1 month). Corrected to account for Dr. Shannon.
Ray.
Fear Not
Thanks Ray for your work!
How did you come up with 8403?
What did I miss?
Anyway, this shows a shrinkage and not expansion in factual numbers.
Hey DM, this doesn't look so good.
Be careful Barb, there are far more BT's in California! ; ))
Fear Not
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Scientology 1990 Estimated Adult Population - 45,000
Scientology 2001 Estimated Adult Population - 55,000
Scientology 2004 Estimated Total Population - 77,621
(notice it switches from Adult Population to Total Population)
Percentage of U.S. Population 200 - 0.02%
Percent change 1990-2000 + 22%
Reference for statistics.
The ARIS data is published online at:
http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/aris_index.htm
The largest, most comprehensive surveys on religious identification
were done in sociologists Barry A. Kosmin, Seymour P. Lachman and
associates at the Graduate School of the City University of New York.
Their first major study was done in 1990: the National Survey of
Religious Identification (NSRI). This scientific nationwide survey of
113,000 Americans asked about religious preference, along with other
questions. They followed this up, with even more sophisticated
methodology and more questions, with the American Religious Identity
Survey (ARIS) conducted in 2001, with a sample size of 50,000
Americans.
2004 total population numbers were calculated by multiplying each
group's percent of the total adult 2001 population (207,882,353) by the
2004 total population (using the June 1, 2004 U.S. Census Bureau
extrapolated estimate of 293,382,953 total Americans). The U.S. Census
Bureau total U.S. population estimate for 2000, based on the actual
2000 Census, was: 281,421,906. The U.S. Census Bureau total U.S.
population estimate for July 1, 2001 was: 293,655,404. The adult (ages
18 and over) population estimate for July 1, 2001 was: 220,377,406. The
total adult population for 2001 used in the 2001 ARIS study (apparently
counting only adults aged 21 and over) was: 207,882,353. For 2001
figures, see:
293655404http://www.census.gov/popest/states/asrh/SC-est2004-01.html.
This method of extrapolating the 2004 total population of each
religious group from the 2001 adult population of each group does not
factor in differences in the average number of children per adult for
each religious group.
R. Hill
I used the latest version on webarchive.org for Missouri: Dec. 2005 =
99. The other big discrepancy was with California, I obtained 3851,
whereas you obtained 3788. I tried to figure why the discrepancy in
order to figure which figure is right, but I couldn't figure, go
figure. The rest was the same, safe a few +1, -1 here and there. I
didn't count manually, I pasted text in Excel after some reformatting.
Ray
moontaco
Truthfully, I don't think these numbers show that it's shrinking and
not expanding as much as it shows that there was a huge push in (I
think) 1998 or 1999 to have people make these pages, and since then
there has been no effort made to maintain them or add new pages. Which
seems pretty half-assed to me.
Whenever I look at pages for people I know anything about, I can tell
they're woefully outdated. It's as though all these folks are frozen in
time.
But clearly there are fewer "live" pages (as the 2002/2007 numbers
indicate). Often I'll follow a link to someone's page and find that
it's gone. So the CoS seems to take down pages occasionally--probably
of people who've left?
moontaco.
moontaco
I wonder how they count members who do services in both L.A. and
Clearwater? Some people seem to practically commute between the two
places. Not that I think the numbers released by the CoS have anything
to do with reality. :p
moontaco
R. Hill
You are right, these numbers are not to be taken as a reference on
their own. It's only about scientologists that cared to go online, and
it would seem the Church of Scientology doesn't press anymore
scientologists to go online (assuming there are more scientologists to
press.) I remember seeing one new name as of 2007, compared with
archives of 2002 (in Venezuela). A closer look might reveal more (I
kept the list of names.)
The numbers are useful though when presented with other arguments that
counter the church's claims that scientology is the "fastest expanding
religion" with 8-10 million blah blah -- it doesn't hurt to add to
these arguments. Side note... isn't the only religion that care to
*advertise* themselves as the fastest growing?
With such statement, it is entirely fair to expect (with a growing
internet penetration over years):
- more online scientologists given their claimed membership
- more would appear online over time given the claim that they are
expanding ever faster
Note that the main site scientology.org still link to the online
scientologists "database" as a resource
(http://www.scientology.org/en_US/news-media/pg001.html )
Ray.