New Years Eve Event
Unit 61
Am just now reviewing the New Years Eve Event broadcast listening
to DM tell everyone how a $cientologist went to a hospital to visit
a person that was on life support, in a coma, not expected to live,
according to the doctors. The $scientologist gave the person assists
and, you guessed it, that person made a miracle recovery. Was off of
life support in 2 weeks.
Thats great David. Where the hell was this person when Lisa
McPherson was staying at the Fort Harrison?
He also made fun of the people involved in the Mars Probe
Expedition. He makes a comment about their discovery of
the possibility that life once existed on Mars. No big deal.
$cientologists knew this all along.
That is not a quote, but it is the jist of it. If I was involved
in the Mars project I think I would be a bit upset at being
made fun of the way he did it.
DM. If bullshit was "gold" you would be Fort Knox.
Should have this program broadcast to the general public
on a National Network. "Normal" people would really get
to see what a nut case DM is.
Mmm. Not a bad idea.
John
Unit 61
From the program:
Narconon is training Police recruits in Sweden to combat
drug abuse there.
Any comments
John
Ron Newman
In article <68r735$e...@newsops.execpc.com>,
Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com> wrote:
>Am just now reviewing the New Years Eve Event broadcast listening
>to DM tell everyone how a $cientologist went to a hospital to visit
>a person that was on life support, in a coma, not expected to live,
>according to the doctors. The $scientologist gave the person assists
>and, you guessed it, that person made a miracle recovery. Was off of
>life support in 2 weeks.
>
>Thats great David. Where the hell was this person when Lisa
>McPherson was staying at the Fort Harrison?
>
>He also made fun of the people involved in the Mars Probe
>Expedition. He makes a comment about their discovery of
>the possibility that life once existed on Mars. No big deal.
>$cientologists knew this all along.
Can you post a full transcript of DM's speech at this event?
--
--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
URL: http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
Zinjifar
In article <68r735$e...@newsops.execpc.com>, zjohzn...@execpc.com says...
>
>Am just now reviewing the New Years Eve Event broadcast listening
>to DM tell everyone how a $cientologist went to a hospital to visit
>a person that was on life support, in a coma, not expected to live,
>according to the doctors. The $scientologist gave the person assists
>and, you guessed it, that person made a miracle recovery. Was off of
>life support in 2 weeks.
>
>Thats great David. Where the hell was this person when Lisa
>McPherson was staying at the Fort Harrison?
>
>He also made fun of the people involved in the Mars Probe
>Expedition. He makes a comment about their discovery of
>the possibility that life once existed on Mars. No big deal.
>$cientologists knew this all along.
>
>in the Mars project I think I would be a bit upset at being
>made fun of the way he did it.
>
>DM. If bullshit was "gold" you would be Fort Knox.
>
>Should have this program broadcast to the general public
>on a National Network. "Normal" people would really get
>to see what a nut case DM is.
>
>Mmm. Not a bad idea.
>
>John
John, of course it would be a good idea to find some way to get this to the
general public, and even the very specialized public here.
Real Audio or Video were great, but even a transcript would be good.
(and I doubt seriously that the Mars Project people would be 'upset' to hear
Davey. More likely to just get that slightly aghast expression reserved for
listening to real loons)
Zinj
Anti-Cult
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:06:32 -0800.
Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com>.
From: NoOrg.
Wrote on the subject: New Years Eve Event:
Yeah. Liars, liars, hateful liars. :-)
I'll look into this, and if there is any truth about it, I will
personally inform the police about Narconon and it's connection to
Scientology.
However, I'm sure it's a PR lie as usual.
In the mean time, feel free to read about Narconon at
http://www.users.wineasy.se/lobsinger/index.htm
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wgert
Narconon is a successful drug rehabilitation program. Law enforcement
officials the world over are interested in it, and are making use of
it where it exists. Justice officials in several countries are making
referrals of drug abuse convicts to the program.
That is however something most of the posters on ARS will probably
challenege right away. These posters hold their own distorted views.
For further information about them, read the Rogues Gallery of ARS
Bigots:
www.dancris.com/~rshaw
wgert
wgert
For any newbie, take note that the message below is a typical example
of the style of messages in this ng. It's typical ARS bigot style.
Screaming around "lie, lie".
Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
For further information about ARS bigots, read the Rogues Gallery of
ARS Bigots
www.dancris.com/~rhaw
wgert
The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com (Anti-Cult) wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:06:32 -0800.
>Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com>.
>From: NoOrg.
>Wrote on the subject: New Years Eve Event:
>>From the program:
>>Narconon is training Police recruits in Sweden to combat
>>drug abuse there.
>>
>>Any comments
>>John
>Yeah. Liars, liars, hateful liars. :-)
>I'll look into this, and if there is any truth about it, I will
>personally inform the police about Narconon and it's connection to
>Scientology.
>However, I'm sure it's a PR lie as usual.
snip
/\ndroid <at
wgert wrote in message <68rg4n$q4k$1...@usenet48.supernews.com>...
>Narconon is a successful drug rehabilitation program. Law enforcement
>officials the world over are interested in it, and are making use of
>it where it exists. Justice officials in several countries are making
>referrals of drug abuse convicts to the program.
>
>That is however something most of the posters on ARS will probably
>challenege right away. These posters hold their own distorted views.
>Bigots:
> www.dancris.com/~rshaw
>wgert
I mentioned to a criminal lawyer friend of mine that Narconon was a
Scientology front. The friend replied "Oh, I guess that's why we never do
referrals to them." Remind me to mention Criminon as well. ... unless you
can cite an independent source of statistics showing that the tech works?
So "Law enforcement officials the world over are interested in it" doesn't
apply in Toronto (and all of Ontario probably).
/\<.
"There are thousands of Scientologists all around the world." - wgert.
Jonas Flygare
wg...@loop.com (wgert) writes:
> Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
> whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
> about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
> validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
> Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
Hey wgert, I live in Sweden, and if you just provide me with the name
of the person doing the training for Narconon, and/or the name of the
police academy that uses Narconon to train their recruits, I will
gladly verify your statement. However, until you do, I'll agree with
other posters in believing this to be Co$ propaganda, and a lie at
that.
/\ndroid <at
Roland
wgert wrote:
<snip>
> whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
> about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
> validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
> Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
You don't have to take your cheque book with you, but you
must bring all your credit cards. Our friendly Registrar
will see to it that you max out your credit to the limit.
Do you have a house? How about a second mortgage? It
takes big money to exorcise all the tiny little demon
alien souls inside you and only Scientology can do it.
Roland
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D.A. Hacker
wgert wrote in message <68rg4n$q4k$1...@usenet48.supernews.com>...
:Narconon is a successful drug rehabilitation program. Law enforcement
:officials the world over are interested in it, and are making use of
:it where it exists. Justice officials in several countries are making
:referrals of drug abuse convicts to the program.
How do you define success?
Several years ago I worked for a small family-owned business in Woodland
Hills, CA. The owner was a Scientologist, his daughter was an addict.
For the sake of their privacy, let's call them Nate and Nicole.
Nicole was into coke and pot, she also drank heavily -- possibly diagnosable
as an alcoholic.
Nate put her through Narconon twice. Nicole related the experience to me
this way:
"They feed you brown rice and vitamins, and make you take saunas. Once you
get your shit together (I'm assuming thetans, engrams, etc.), the addiction
goes away and then you can drink and shit like normal."
She believed that she could suffer no damage from drugs following Narconon,
and proceeded to escalte her use after each trip there.
Was this "success"? Well, as I recall, Nate said that Narconon got about
$30,000 of his money between the two trips. Maybe this is the success 'gert
is referring to...
freedomfighter
Ya sure - ask them for information on that Xenu guy on 60 minutes last
week.
wgert wrote:
>
> For any newbie, take note that the message below is a typical example
> of the style of messages in this ng. It's typical ARS bigot style.
> Screaming around "lie, lie".
>
> Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
> whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
> about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
> validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
> Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
>
> For further information about ARS bigots, read the Rogues Gallery of
> ARS Bigots
> www.dancris.com/~rhaw
>
> wgert
>
> The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com (Anti-Cult) wrote:
> >On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:06:32 -0800.
> >Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com>.
> >From: NoOrg.
> >Wrote on the subject: New Years Eve Event:
>
> >>From the program:
> >>Narconon is training Police recruits in Sweden to combat
> >>drug abuse there.
> >>
Unit 61
Anti-Cult wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:39:00 GMT.
> wg...@loop.com (wgert).
> From: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: New Years Eve Event:
>
> >For any newbie, take note that the message below is a typical example
> >of the style of messages in this ng. It's typical ARS bigot style.
> >Screaming around "lie, lie".
>
> spokesman himself sounded, and what he said, when he was trying to
> defend the cult's treatment of Lisa McPherson. I'm sure others can
> verify who it was. I think it was Elliott Abelson. :-) I'm pretty sure I
> can arrange for a RealAudio file of it if you want.
>
> >
> >Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
> >whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
> >about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
> >validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
> >Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
>
> it is (which I doubt) I will in the true spirit of a critic to the
> criminal organization of scientology, immediately inform the proper
> authorities and the media about the true face of the Narconon
> organization as a front for scientology. I will of course also deliver
> all necessary papers that clearly proves that Narconon's methods are
> totally without any positive effects, and can even be extremely
> dangerous to the human body. (purification rundown doses of vitamins,
> excessive sauna sittings, and other bullshit therapies that has been
> verified to be totally useless if not dangerous). After that, you can
> rest assured that any eventual police training in Sweden by Narconon
> will be stopped. William, never ever think that I will let the criminal
> cult grow in my country. If I see any sign of the cult showing it's ugly
> face here in my home country on a wider scale than today, I will strike
> back immediately. They've deceived me once William, never again....
>
> However, I'm pretty sure that this is just another lie from the criminal
> organization of scientology. Narconon has lost so much in Sweden in past
> years, so I doubt really that they have anything with the Swedish police
> to do whatsoever. Care to feed us with some facts about this? No, I
> wouldn't think you do...
> >
> >For further information about ARS bigots, read the Rogues Gallery of
> >ARS Bigots
> > www.dancris.com/~rhaw
>
> is nothing to boast about really. :-)
>
I will review the part about the Swedish Police and post
it here.
John
wgert
Super.
Write a polite letter to IJC, lay out what you want etc. etc.
wgert
Jonas Flygare <fl...@aristotle.algonet.se> wrote:
>wg...@loop.com (wgert) writes:
>> Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
>> whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
>> about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
>> validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
>> Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
>Hey wgert, I live in Sweden, and if you just provide me with the name
Anti-Cult
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:39:00 GMT.
wg...@loop.com (wgert).
From: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com.
Wrote on the subject: Re: New Years Eve Event:
>For any newbie, take note that the message below is a typical example
>of the style of messages in this ng. It's typical ARS bigot style.
>Screaming around "lie, lie".
Hehe, I got you there William. I repeated only how a scientology
spokesman himself sounded, and what he said, when he was trying to
defend the cult's treatment of Lisa McPherson. I'm sure others can
verify who it was. I think it was Elliott Abelson. :-) I'm pretty sure I
can arrange for a RealAudio file of it if you want.
>
>Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
>whole video'd New Years event, or - if you prefer - just the part
>about Narconon, and you will be able to judge for yourself the
>validity of the statement "Narconon is training Police recruits in
>Sweden to combat drug abuse there."
William, as a Swede I will of course investigate if this is true, and if
Bev
Unit 61 wrote:
> it here.
It will be relevant to know if this is true or not. If it is true then
the Swedish citizens have a right to know.
If it is not true, it should be pointed out, just as the Co$ "Big
Win" reported in the Co$ newspaper "Good News" when they claimed the
Norweigian Minister of Defense was recommending "The Way To Happiness"
(TWTH) and it turned out to be a complete fabrication. It was brought
to the attention of the Minister and the rest is journalistic history
in Norway.
The complete story of this farce can be seen at the following website:
http://home.sol.no/~spirous/CoS/news/kosmo1.html A teaser:
What Co$ didn't count on was that anybody would check up on this
story about the Defense Minister, but I just did!!!
I called the Ministry of Defense yesterday and talked to Runar Todok
who is acting press contact for the Ministry. I told him about the
article and he asked me to fax it to him. I immediately faxed the front
page of the newspaper, the actual article and I threw in a copy of the
Xemu leaflet as well. ;)
Within short time he called me back, he had already talked to Jorgen
Kosmo, the Norwegian Defense Minister, about my fax.
I'll quote from the article here and add comments based on the
information
I got from Runar Todok:
For the rest of the story go to:
http://home.sol.no/~spirous/CoS/news/kosmo1.html
Beverly
Birgitta
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:06:32 -0800, Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com>
wrote:
>From the program:
>Narconon is training Police recruits in Sweden to combat
>drug abuse there.
>
>Any comments
>
>John
------------
Please tell me more about this John. I am in Sweden.
Bid
The Angel of Xenu
Paul
wgert wrote:
>
> Narconon is a successful drug rehabilitation program. Law enforcement
> officials the world over are interested in it, and are making use of
> it where it exists. Justice officials in several countries are making
> referrals of drug abuse convicts to the program.
>
> challenege right away.
Well, now, if the Church of Scientology[tm] would only provide us with
some credible evidence that Narconon works, we might be a bit more
charitable towards it. Regrettably, they never have. Even more
regrettably, one of the key components of the Narconon treatment, the
Purification Rundown, not only doesn't work, it's potentially harmful to
those who undergo it.
Now, given the above, why shouldn't I challenge it?
> These posters hold their own distorted views.
Nope, we just insist on proper evidence. Do you have a problem with
that?
> For further information about them, read the Rogues Gallery of ARS
> Bigots:
> www.dancris.com/~rshaw
Actually, I agree with you that everyone should read that web site.
They should also understand that this information was gathered by an
organization that calls itself a religion, and that this site is
sanctioned by this organization. Then they should ask themselves what
kind of religion engages in such activities....
-Paul
Garry Scarff
Ceon Ramon wrote:
>
> In article <68r735$e...@newsops.execpc.com>,
> Unit 61 <zjohzn...@execpc.com> wrote:
> >to DM tell everyone how a $cientologist went to a hospital to visit
> >a person that was on life support, in a coma, not expected to live,
> >according to the doctors. The $scientologist gave the person assists
> >and, you guessed it, that person made a miracle recovery. Was off of
> >life support in 2 weeks.
> >
> >Thats great David. Where the hell was this person when Lisa
> >McPherson was staying at the Fort Harrison?
Maybe because David Miscavige is on such a tight schedule that his PR
didn't have enough time to schedule the exterminator to deal with all
the roaches in Lisa's room?
Garry
Ron Newman
> Am just now reviewing the New Years Eve Event broadcast
[snip]
> Should have this program broadcast to the general public
> on a National Network. "Normal" people would really get
> to see what a nut case DM is.
I just yesterday got a hold of a copy of this tape. It's a
scary combination of a Nurenberg Rally, a glitzy Las Vegas
floor show, and what I imagine an Amway Convention to be like.
It's impossible for me to watch more than about 30 minutes of
this tape at a time -- any more, and you overdose on the
never-ending display of bombast, which goes on for slightly
over 2 hours. It would be like eating cake for 2 hours straight
I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
Ron Newman
> Go to your closest Scientology organization and ask them to see the
> whole video'd New Years event,
Yeah, do that. I'm curious if they'll let you stay there as you
start laughing out loud at the sheer absurdity and nonstop Las Vegas
glitz of this tape. I especially liked the part about Merchants
of Chaos, accompanied by a video of a reporter's head blowing up.
The "Body Reads" tape was also hilarious (or was that "Body Raisins"?)
Someone needs to get a copy of this tape to the Mystery Science 3000 folk.
NoGoot
In article <rnewman-ya0240800...@snews.zippo.com>,
rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) writes:
>I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
>to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
Don't let the "full" aspect of the Shrine give you the wrong impression. Even
we ex-Scienos like to socialize with the old friends once in awhile, and what
better night of the year for socializing than New Years Eve? It also gives one
a chance to catch up on what the Church has been doing all year -- that is if
you aren't privy to the Internet. :)
The other thing to bear in mind is that a lot of Scienos don't have your
typical active social life, and it's the one night of the year that they can
justify doing it. But those who are on a course, and have to show up on New
Years Day, won't be drinking; else they'll be sent to ethics immediately after
roll call.
NoGoot
wgert
rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
>In article <68r735$e...@newsops.execpc.com>, Unit 61
><zjohzn...@execpc.com> wrote:
>> Am just now reviewing the New Years Eve Event broadcast
>[snip]
>I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
>to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
An astute observation and correct (!) comment from Newman that the
hall looked and was *full*. Scientology *is* expanding.
wgert
Inducto
wgert quoted Ron Newman and responded:
>>I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
>>to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
>
>An astute observation and correct (!) comment from Newman that the
>hall looked and was *full*. Scientology *is* expanding.
Hate to burst your bubble, but hasn't CoS been using the Shrine Auditorium for
something like 40 years? That's stasis, not growth. And I suspect that if
someone carefully studied attendance at this and other events, the result would
show fewer attendees from a shrunken member base in central LA, and more from
outlying areas where they used to go to orgs and missions that are now dead or
moribund.
It does explain something that if wgert is in CoS' southern california
stronghold that the breadth of problems are not obvious; the faithful in Havana
and Pyongyang probably think communism is expanding, too.
I.
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Induct YourSELF into new realities
Avoid highwaymen on the road to personal and spiritual betterment -- beware
dead ends and unlit paths
Gregg Hagglund
In article <19980111034...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ind...@aol.com
(Inducto) wrote:
>wgert quoted Ron Newman and responded:
>>>I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
>>>to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
>>
>>An astute observation and correct (!) comment from Newman that the
>>hall looked and was *full*. Scientology *is* expanding.
>
>Hate to burst your bubble, but hasn't CoS been using the Shrine Auditorium for
>something like 40 years? That's stasis, not growth. And I suspect that if
>someone carefully studied attendance at this and other events, the result would
>show fewer attendees from a shrunken member base in central LA, and more from
>outlying areas where they used to go to orgs and missions that are now dead or
>moribund.
>
>It does explain something that if wgert is in CoS' southern california
>stronghold that the breadth of problems are not obvious; the faithful in Havana
>and Pyongyang probably think communism is expanding, too.
>
>
>I.
Indeed stasis *is* the word to describe the Toronto Org.
Here in Toronto less than 250 people but more than 200 have
attended the last three major events:
47 Anniversary of Dianetics = 250
Auditors Day =246
New Years Event = 210 (No children under twelve.)
And this is drawing from a population in excess of 6 million
within a 4 hour drive of the new Toronto Super City.
Yeah, Scientology is expanding. <snort>
<<<oo{ At Constant Cause Over the toronto org.}oo>>>
oo>>>{ And sentenced to Death for this SP Act. }<<<oo
["You know, people die if they criticize scientology -
I should take care if I were you."
-Marcus Nyman, OSA (former GO), $cio-org, Stockholm, Sweden.]
Gregg Hagglund SP4
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Geoff Burling
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:33:12 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) saith:
>rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
>>I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
>>to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
>
>An astute observation and correct (!) comment from Newman that the
>hall looked and was *full*. Scientology *is* expanding.
>
Hitler, when he was out stumping for the National Socialism Party in
Germany, would always book the smallest halls for their rallies. It
gave a feel ``everyone" was a Nazi.
Anyone know if they have more than one hall at the Shrine Auditorium?
Say one that holds a couple thousand people, one that holds maybe 900,
& so forth?
At one of the Hollywood award ceremonies (the Oscars?) they actually
hire stand-ins to take the seats that are empty, even if the guest has
gotten up to go to the bathroom or is otherwise gone for a couple of
minutes. The promoters know they have to make this look like a Big
Event.
Camera angles also help create that impression the director is looking
for...
Geoff
Olympic-Class Bore
No, I don't have an account at Cyberpromo. And neither does
Sanford Wallace, anymore. Change ``cyberpromo" to``agora", & your
email will reach me. -- Want to try Hubbard's ``Tech"? Go to
http://www.fza.org/pilot/ & do it for free!!!
Heidrun Beer
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:39:00 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>For any newbie, take note that the message below is a typical example
>of the style of messages in this ng. It's typical ARS bigot style.
>Screaming around "lie, lie".
Don't bother. It's pure Q+A. LRH is teaching us that things
resolve when everybody is cleaning up his own stuff.
This is true for auditing, and this is true for ethics.
So I would suggest that Scientologists like wg...@loop.com
(wgert) concentrate on washing the SHIT out of their church,
instead of attacking others.
The trouble is self-made, friends. Re-read Hubbard's data
about HOW TO CREATE ANTAGONISM. Then "Look around and find
an example how the church actively creates antagonism per
Hubbard's description"! I bet you find a little more than one.
Other things you can do to get your immediate environment
a little cleaner are:
1.) Find the church's current tone-level on Hubbard's
"Chart of Human Evaluation" and decide for yourself
whether they are working in a pro-survival or
contra-survival way: http://www.cso.net/mt/eval.htm
2.) Ask the church management why they are habitually breaking
Hubbard's policy in such a flagrant way:
http://www.cso.net/mt/question.htm
3.) Use the Ethics-Conditions without the enforced
interpretation of an ethics officer or other HCO-terminal.
a.) You will find that Hubbard himself (!) tells you
to ignore the church in dangerous situations:
http://www.cso.net/mt/danger.htm -
b.) - or even to leave it and change into the
FreeZone: http://www.cso.net/mt/doubt.htm
4. Actively use the Tech in all areas of your life:
The original purpose of Scientology-Tech was - and is -
to convert the negative energy ("entheta") in a person's
case into positive energy ("theta") which would manifest
in a rising mood and growing capability to master life.
This simple principle is still valid. These days it has
become very complicated, if not impossible, to make use
of the tech in they way it was meant: There is the church's
money-aberration, their flagrant misapplication and
misrepresentation in many areas, and on the other side the
stigma of society which makes it less and less possible
to be a Scientologist.
Now here you have the tech again, but in a form which is
designed for self-help and co-processing at home. You don't
need a course, and you don't have to go into a Scientolog Org
where you could be seen and identified. It is the new
"Self Clearing Book" written by "The Pilot", one of the
really active competent Scientologists who want to see
their church reformed.
This manual will not only train you "on the job", it also
includes a lot of important processes which have been dropped
by the church - the definite OT-drills which increased the
spiritual abilities in such a phantastic way in the early 50's.
Don't fear any copyright trouble; the author has allowed
the free distribution of his work!
Get the new Self Clearing Book from the Pilots Home Page
(below) or in gzip format from
ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/selfclear.gz
or pkzip from http://www.innernet.net/joecisar/fza1000.htm
See the "SCIENTOLOGY REFORMER'S HOME PAGE" by the Pilot
at http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/pilot.html
or http://www.igs.net/~michaelv/scnreform.htm or
via http://www.proweb.co.uk/~tech/good.htm or
The Pilots Home Page at http://fza.org/pilot/index.htm
Get the original Pilot materials (the 32 part SUPER SCIO book) at:
ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/index.html
or from the Pilots Home Page or pick up the ss## files
from Homer's archive at lightlink.com.
Heidrun Beer
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David Gerard
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:29:44 -0500, rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
:I just yesterday got a hold of a copy of this tape. It's a
:scary combination of a Nurenberg Rally, a glitzy Las Vegas
:floor show, and what I imagine an Amway Convention to be like.
You probably imagine accurately.
:It's impossible for me to watch more than about 30 minutes of
:this tape at a time -- any more, and you overdose on the
:never-ending display of bombast, which goes on for slightly
:over 2 hours. It would be like eating cake for 2 hours straight
:I don't understand how the Shrine Auditorium audience was able
:to sit still for it. (And that hall looked *full*, too!)
These things always look fuller on television.
--
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Stop JUNK EMAIL Boycott AMAZON.COM http://mickc.home.mindspring.com/index1.htm
"Because you can't cotton to evil. No sir. You have to smack evil on the nose
with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil. Bad, BAD evil.'"
Future808
>>>An astute observation and correct (!) comment from Newman that the
>>>hall looked and was *full*. Scientology *is* expanding.
hahahhahahhahahahahahhhah. I'm getting tears from laughing so hard. Yes, the
beloved Shrine has been used for many years, and is the status quo for events.
If Co$ were really expanding, they'd be able to rent out the LA Coliseum.
And let's not forget that those events in LA and Clearwater aren't filled up by
people coming on thier own. Both locations use tons of man hours and telephone
calls to get people in. In the past I'd been called as much 10 times in a week
to get me to go, to confirm me, to re-confirm, etc. Missions are sent to do
this, phone banks set up, etc., etc. So realize that there is a tremendous push
to get people to these events.
Ex-CMO
"People who would aspire to transform the world should start by
transforming their own life and let it serve as an inspiration for
others. Hubbard wrote best about what he most needed to learn."
- Joe Harrington <joe...@worldnet.att.net>
Robert Vaughn Young
Ron Newman (rne...@thecia.net) wrote:
: I just yesterday got a hold of a copy of this tape. It's a
: scary combination of a Nurenberg Rally, a glitzy Las Vegas
: floor show, and what I imagine an Amway Convention to be like.
Let me use your remark to repeat a brief story I related once before.
It was during my first trip to Hamburg, a few years ago. I had gone at the
request of the government to meet with various officials. One of them was
the head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, and his
aide. We met for a couple of hours and at the end of it he asked if I
happened to have a photo of DM. I knew there were photos in the IAS mags
so I pulled out one and opened it to a large IAS rally. It had one of
those pull-out pages so there was a three page photo spread of the rally.
The photo was taken from the top of the auditorium, looking down onthe
stage so one could see the flags, banners, searchlights and this stage
with a tiny podium and a small figure at it but these massive photos of
LRH on each side. I started to turn the page and he put his hand down and
stopped me and looked at it and then turned to his aide and said,
"Nurenburg." The aide nodded. I looked back at the picture and a chill ran
through me realizing how they were viewing this cult.
As he said later, "Never again."
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wgert
That's probably the same guy that was pushing for the ability to wire
tap people in Germany. Funny, they said the Jews were taking over the
world too - it was a line that gullible people bought then too. I
guess if they pay you to fly to Germany you'll say anything they want,
eh Vaughn?
wgert
wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young) wrote:
>Ron Newman (rne...@thecia.net) wrote:
>: I just yesterday got a hold of a copy of this tape. It's a
>: scary combination of a Nurenberg Rally, a glitzy Las Vegas
>: floor show, and what I imagine an Amway Convention to be like.
>Let me use your remark to repeat a brief story I related once before.
>It was during my first trip to Hamburg, a few years ago. I had gone at the
>request of the government to meet with various officials. One of them was
>the head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, and his
>aide.
snip
Michail Brzitwa
In article <6a35i3$n3h$4...@usenet51.supernews.com>,
wg...@loop.com, aka wgert wrote:
> tap people in Germany. Funny, they said the Jews were taking over the
> world too - it was a line that gullible people bought then too. I
Still attempting to piggy-back on Auschwitz? You know, scientology
guy, this extremely nihilistic approach of your organization to gain
public support for your money-making scheme will never get you any
supporters or even friends over here.
You are trying to utilize Treblinka, Maidanek, Bergen-Belsen and
Dachau just to sell more 'communication courses', you effectively
laugh at all the people who lost their relatives or friends in the
KZs.
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Michail Brzitwa <m...@ichabod.han.de> +49-511-343215
rgonnet
Robert Vaughn Young wrote:
> Ron Newman (rne...@thecia.net) wrote:
>
> : I just yesterday got a hold of a copy of this tape. It's a
> : scary combination of a Nurenberg Rally, a glitzy Las Vegas
> : floor show, and what I imagine an Amway Convention to be like.
>
> Let me use your remark to repeat a brief story I related once before.
>
> It was during my first trip to Hamburg, a few years ago. I had gone at the
> request of the government to meet with various officials. One of them was
> the head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, and his
> aide. We met for a couple of hours and at the end of it he asked if I
> happened to have a photo of DM. I knew there were photos in the IAS mags
> so I pulled out one and opened it to a large IAS rally. It had one of
> those pull-out pages so there was a three page photo spread of the rally.
> The photo was taken from the top of the auditorium, looking down onthe
> stage so one could see the flags, banners, searchlights and this stage
> with a tiny podium and a small figure at it but these massive photos of
> LRH on each side. I started to turn the page and he put his hand down and
> stopped me and looked at it and then turned to his aide and said,
> "Nurenburg." The aide nodded. I looked back at the picture and a chill ran
> through me realizing how they were viewing this cult.
>
Short but really salient analysis, hey. This is exactly the thing! Did you
ever look at my small file on scientology - aids signs?? : look at it (few
kilos):
<http://wwwperso.hol.fr/gonnet/sidac.htm>
Roger
jbwebb
Ron - would you post the transcript? If not, would you email me a copy?
Take care
Joni