Church of Scientology: '"Anonymous' will be stopped"

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Patty Pieniadz

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Church of Scientology: '"Anonymous' will be stopped"

February 4, 2008

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Claiming that "actions are being taken", a person replying to emails to
the Church of Scientology has responded exclusively to Wikinews
regarding the recent attacks on their web sites from the nebulous
"Anonymous" group. In an effort to get the Church's side of the story,
Wikinews freelance journalist Brian McNeil located a contact address,
know...@lrh.org. A "Laetitia" responded, ignoring a detailed list of
questions that would have given information on the damage inflicted on
the Church and action taken. Instead non-specific comments about how the
Church is handling the issue were given. She first started by asking if
Wikinews was "part of Anonymous or are you pro-Scientology?"

"Activities of Anonymous have been reported to the Authorities and
actions are being taken. Their activities are illegal and we do not
approve of them. At the same time, our main work is to improve the
environment, make people more able and spiritually aware. ... yes, we
are taking action," said Laetitia.


Andreas Heldal-Lund, founder of Operation Clambake.
Image: David Gerard.'Anonymous' first came to public attention when the
group launched denial-of-service attacks against the Church's website,
following the Church's attempts to remove a promotional video featuring
Scientologist Tom Cruise from YouTube. Although YouTube is complying
with the requests to remove the video, other sites such as Gawker.com
have stated that they will continue hosting the video.

Fielding expert opinions on the Church's response, Wikinews turned to
Andreas Heldal-Lund, the creator of the Operation Clambake project, as
well as a former Scientologist who wished to remain anonymous.

"I believe strongly in freedom of speech and, living in the best country
in the world, I came to the conclusion that I had to help protest this
cult. To me CoS [Church of Scientology] was then, and still is, a
fascistic organization and a real threat to our democratic principles,"
said Andreas Heldal-Lund, the creator of Operation Clambake.

"The strategy was to disarm the cult; if they took down something I
linked to, I had made preparations to link to another copy or host it
myself. The more they resisted it the more attention we got, the more
the information was spread and the more people got involved. It felt
like a cat and mouse game for many years. What for me started as a
weekend stunt grew far beyond my initial scope and Operating Clambake
became the site most critics linked and referred to," added Heldal-Lund.

Heldal-Lund states that the effort of the Church to remove criticism of
its organization from the web is failing.

"The cult 'Orgs' are 'dead'. Recruiting in most western countries where
they once experienced a healthy organic growth is very hard. All their
most secret documents are spread beyond recall and easily available for
anybody interested. More people than we ever dreamed now know about
Scientology and at least that it 'smells fishy'. All the information we
once fought day and night to protect is now easily available for free
and on the top of Google. The cult has even given up threatening us,"
added Heldal-Lund who also said that there are "no major lawsuits
ongoing or pending" against Operation Clambake.

"We are taking action, Anonymous will be handled and stopped, but not to
the detriment of us stopping all community outreach activities. We've
had people throw attacks at us in the past as they do not agree with the
betterment of people. History is strewn with such people who start wars,
wreak havoc etc. and they never continue to exist in the long run as
their purpose is one of destruction. That's a statistical and historical
fact," stated Laetitia.


The Internet vs. Scientology.
Image: Jason Safoutin, Cuarto and CedricBLN.Laetitia had earlier stated
that Wikinews was not allowed to use the quotes that they provided
saying they, "have a problem with [Wikinews] quoting this. You are
writing on a help website and it isn't the right source for the
"Scientology opinion," but later acknowledged that the inquiries were of
a press nature stating, "you have made it clear [that you are a
journalist] and I appreciate you being upfront on the matter."

An expert evaluation on the e-mails by a former Church member and expert
on the religion reveals that Laetitia may have slipped, providing
information that she may not have been authorized to provide.

"The person you were speaking to was from the 'Planetary Dissemination
Org' (PDO), a unit within the Sea Org responsible for promoting
Scientology to new recruits which is responsible for Scientology's
websites. Most probably, the person that you were talking to did not
have permission to talk to the press, which is why the person got edgy
when publication was talked about. Judging by the way she responded, I
am of the opinion that she felt that Wikinews was 'PTS' [Potential
Trouble Source] as a result of being connected to whoever Scientology
believes 'Anonymous' is, thus was attempting to handle Wikinews'
suppressive tendencies that they believe would occur as a result. It is
also interesting to note that she followed a Scientology training
document entitled 'BTB 10 DEC 1969 REPORTER TRs'," said the expert who
wishes to remain totally anonymous.

"'Then using different questions, the PRO [Public Relations Officer]
gives 'no answers'. The trick is to appear to answer the question by
giving generalized statements in simple terms so that the reporter
doesn't realize his question hasn't been answered'. Aside from being an
obvious filibuster, it also shows she has been trained to deal with
reporters," added the expert who also said that the question the Church
asked Wikinews: 'Are you part of Anonymous or are you pro-Scientology',
"I find this particularly interesting as an example of Scientological
for-or-against logic. In other words, if you aren't pro-Scientology, the
writer reasoned, you must be a member of Anonymous because you wouldn't
be writing to her."

As the war of The Internet versus Scientology rages on, the owner of
711chan.org says that he is prepared to continue the fight against the
Church and The regime, a hacker group which attempted to shut down
711chan using keylogging to gain an administrator password to 711chan.

"The g00ns, one of our allies, are working on getting "The Regime" and
told us to get right back into the CoS scene -- which means as soon as
711chan is back online, we will be re-entering raid mode," said Plasma,
the owner and operator of 711chan.org.

Despite earlier claims and suspicions that The Regime might have been
hired by or part of the Church, Plasma tells Wikinews that The Regime
"are not part of the Church. g00ns [organization] have a long history
with 'immortal', and what 'immortal' is trying to do is get at g00ns by
using 711chan. It's nothing against us."

Worldwide protests have been scheduled by 'Anonymous' to take place
against the Church on February 10, 2008. There are expected to be at
least 217 protests taking place on the 10th at Church headquarters
around the globe.

In a poll conducted by Wikinews on 816 internet news readers, 660 or 80%
said that The Internet will win the war against Scientology. 63, or 7%
said that the Church would win. 66, or 8% said neither side will win and
27, or 3% didn't care.


Patty


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Feb 4, 2008, 10:00:45 AM2/4/08
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Trying to stop anonymous is like trying to eat tomato soup with a fork.

barb

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Feb 4, 2008, 10:15:00 AM2/4/08
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Dianet...@gmail.com wrote:
> Trying to stop anonymous is like trying to eat tomato soup with a fork.

Or peas with a knife. ;)

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snipe

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Feb 4, 2008, 10:30:59 AM2/4/08
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Am Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:27:12 -0500 schrieb Patty Pieniadz:

> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology:_%27%22Anonymous%

It seems to me that this private video of Tom Cruise could only come from
one of the leaks in Gold. The $COS is the culprit not the internet users.

I mean $COS audits according to Hubbard's Scientology, if it doesn't work
then that is not their problem, they are only allowed to copy Hubbard
technology and his copyrights.

The internet users also copy data in the Internet. When it is in the
Internet and readable then anybody can copy it.

When $COS are so stupid that their own members put data onto the
Internet, that is private, then they masters of their destiny.

Socrates

The Badger

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Feb 4, 2008, 1:04:15 PM2/4/08
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On Feb 4, 10:30 am, snipe <socra...@asiamail.com> wrote:
> Am Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:27:12 -0500 schrieb Patty Pieniadz:
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> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology:_%27%22Anonymous%
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> 27_will_be_stopped%22
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> > Church of Scientology: '"Anonymous' will be stopped"
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> > February 4, 2008
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> > Scientology
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> > Claiming that "actions are being taken", a person replying to emails to
> > the Church of Scientology has responded exclusively to Wikinews
> > regarding the recent attacks on their web sites from the nebulous
> > "Anonymous" group. In an effort to get the Church's side of the story,
> > Wikinews freelance journalist Brian McNeil located a contact address,
> > knowle...@lrh.org. A "Laetitia" responded, ignoring a detailed list of

BTW, speaking of leaked stuff that we don't know where it came from,
I'm still working on a transcript of the 2007 OT Summit (or summat
like that). Would y'all want that, or has someone else done it?

zeeorger

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Feb 4, 2008, 1:41:29 PM2/4/08
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> > > 27, or 3% didn't care.undefined

>
> > It seems to me that this private video of Tom Cruise could only come from
> > one of the leaks in Gold. The $COS is the culprit not the internet users.
>
> > I mean $COS audits according to Hubbard's Scientology, if it doesn't work
> > then that is not their problem, they are only allowed to copy Hubbard
> > technology and his copyrights.
>
> > The internet users also copy data in the Internet. When it is in the
> > Internet and readable then anybody can copy it.
>
> > When $COS are so stupid that their own members put data onto the
> > Internet, that is private, then they masters of their destiny.
>
> > Socrates
>
> BTW, speaking of leaked stuff that we don't know where it came from,
> I'm still working on a transcript of the 2007 OT Summit (or summat
> like that).  Would y'all want that, or has someone else done it?

Some of the data presented at the various Summits can be
found in the IMPACT magazines that follow.

Z

The Badger

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Feb 4, 2008, 1:50:00 PM2/4/08
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Oh sure. Anonymous will be stopped by the right distractions being
flashed in their at them (but the "right distraction" is decidedly not
the same for all in Anonymous, and what is a distraction to one is a
sure-fire way to piss off another).

Might as well try to stop a salvo of water balloons with a baseball
bat.

The Badger

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Feb 4, 2008, 1:51:23 PM2/4/08
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I'll take that as a definite "maybe."

I'm looking at it as much from a cultural studies point of view as a
pure hard data one, but that's just me. :D

John

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Feb 4, 2008, 4:59:11 PM2/4/08
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"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Dianet...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Trying to stop anonymous is like trying to eat tomato soup with a fork.
>
> Or peas with a knife. ;)

I eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It makes them taste quite funny
But they stick to the end of my knife.

Friendly Xenu

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Feb 5, 2008, 12:28:31 AM2/5/08
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"Patty Pieniadz" <ppie...@gmail.com> wrote:

<smile> The Scientology crime syndicate is getting their intention
beans all warmed up and set on "hope." LOL! These stupid fucking
criminals haven't been able to stop the ARSCC (which does not exist)
for some 13 or 14 years now, and the stupid insane criminals want
to pretend they're going to stop ten thousand YOUNGER human rights
and civil rights protesters launching off lulz? --snert-- Nopes.

Er, I mean FAIL. }:-}

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Feb 8, 2008, 11:52:06 PM2/8/08
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Church of Scientology: '"Anonymous' will be stopped"


Claiming that "actions are being taken", a Church of Scientology
representative has responded exclusively to Wikinews regarding the


recent attacks on their web sites from the nebulous "Anonymous" group.
In an effort to get the Church's side of the story, Wikinews freelance

journalist Brian McNeil located a contact address, know...@lrh.org.


A "Laetitia" responded, ignoring a detailed list of questions that
would have given information on the damage inflicted on the Church and
action taken. Instead non-specific comments about how the Church is
handling the issue were given. She first started by asking if Wikinews
was "part of Anonymous or are you pro-Scientology?"

"Activities of Anonymous have been reported to the Authorities and
actions are being taken. Their activities are illegal and we do not
approve of them. At the same time, our main work is to improve the
environment, make people more able and spiritually aware. ... yes, we
are taking action," said Laetitia.

Wikinews sent the e-mails from the Church to several experts on
Scientology for an expert opinion on what they might have been trying
to say. Although there was minimal response, Wikinews heard from the
creator of Operation Clambake, which is a project formed in 1996 as a
direct result of seeing the Church succeeding in removing criticism
from the Internet. Wikinews also heard from another expert on
Scientology and former Church member, who wishes to remain anonymous.

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