Marty attacks David Mayo, Robin Scott, me and all of us!! My reply.
rockyslammer
Quite how he thinks Mayo et al were associated with the US Justice
dept and the US IRS I can't follow.
I wrote Marty an email long while ago when he first started hi
freelance activities. He didn't reply.
Most of the AAC went out of business because there wasn't enough
interest. You see most of us realized after a short time that most of
scientology was just plain rubbish - and you can't run a business on
that!
Anyway let's see if Marty lets this through and if he responds.
regards
Martin
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martyrathbun09 // November 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Reply
Mostly Lurker: “enslavement and monopoly”? Quite the contrary, Earle
Cooley was defending LRH from a huge, well funded assault from the
Justice department and IRS – with virtually all major media 100% on
board. Terril, Robin Scott, and others want us all to not-is what side
Mayo and his minions supported in that epic struggle.
*
Rockyslammer // November 21, 2009 at 11:58 pm
In 1982 it was the c of s that were attacking us!!
David Mayo, Robin Scott and all the other AAC’s and independents
were quite content to play their own game more or less quietly.
I can’t speak for others but I certainly wasn’t supporting the
US Justice Department or the US IRS. Indeed when we all left the C of
S, because of David Miscavidge, we all wanted more than anything else
to carry on with “our”religion more than anything else – and I can
show you the photos to prove it.
It is disingenuous to lump us all together as “minions” and is
insulting.
Before anyone evaluates for me that I am stuck in a past
incident please be advised I am not. Indeed I have (as many others
from that era have) flourished and prospered.
Your “epic” struggle was one entirely of the c of s’ own
creation. Only you, here, know why.
I spent time at the AAC Santa Barbara whilst the c of s was busy
chasing people off the road and installing spies. I was at Canda Craig
with Robin Scott. I spent a year at the AAC Miami, and I was at the
inauguration of Capt Bills organisation in Spain. I funded the first
standard emeter project at St Hill – to fruition.
You of all people will know what the c of s tried to do and did
to me! All we wanted to do was apply standard scientology standardly
and YOU attacked us for wanting that! May I ask who is not-ising what?
I personally think at that time lrh had lost control and dm was
running the show so no blame was put on lrh at that time.
All arguments have two sides and it is interesting indeed to see
your side, even now, as you defend it.
regards
Martin Ruston
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Barbara Schwarz
wrote:
> Will my reply be posted or not - that is the question??
Martin Rustin? Is that your real name?
The infiltration of Scientology is not American but German.
Scientology as by L. Ron Hubbard works but the altered version is
questionable.
AAC and the Freezone did not deliver original SCN either, no wonder
they had to close down.
If anybody would deliver Scientology exactly as established L. Ron
Hubbard, people would push in the doors of the orgs as shoppers do at
Black Friday trying to get into department stores.
Nobody tells publicly the real story about Scientology but me.
Barbara Schwarz
rockyslammer
wrote:
forgot!!
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/eulogy-for-earle-cooley/#comment-5503
rockyslammer
wrote:
Yes Barbara it is!!
regards
Martin
Barbara loves Marty
wrote:
Okay, Martin, and you are sure that you were not one of the hundreds
of Scientologists who were invited to the original Marty Rathbun and
my wedding in the UK in the 70s?
Barbara Schwarz
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
> On Nov 22, 1:08 pm, rockyslammer <rockyslam...@postmaster.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will my reply be posted or not - that is the question??
>
> > Quite how he thinks Mayo et al were associated with the US Justice
> > dept and the US IRS I can't follow.
>
> > I wrote Marty an email long while ago when he first started hi
> > freelance activities. He didn't reply.
>
> > Most of the AAC went out of business because there wasn't enough
> > interest. You see most of us realized after a short time that most of
> > scientology was just plain rubbish - and you can't run a business on
> > that!
>
> > Anyway let's see if Marty lets this through and if he responds.
>
> > regards
> > Martin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry to say so but it's par for his course.
Read his other pages and you'll see that he's very anti anyone who
does not believe in Scientology. That includes the free zone, even
thos he himself is a squirrel by definition
rockyslammer
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry to say so but it's par for his course.
>
> Read his other pages and you'll see that he's very anti anyone who
> does not believe in Scientology. That includes the free zone, even
> thos he himself is a squirrel by definition
I've read a few pages - mostly he confuses me!!
I don't understand - Mayo and the whole AAC movement wanted standard
scientology! Just as he does.
We ALL blamed miscavidge - just as he does!
To lump us all in to what he thinks the Justice dept and/or the IRS
was doing is just plain nuts.
Robin Scott was in Scotland for Christsakes!
The AAC's were affiliated and joined ONLY because David Mayo was the
senior tech person on the planet and we all though we would get
standard tech because of it. Ye gads and little fishes - he wrote a
lot of it including NOTS!! "DM" on all those red bulletins stands for
"David Mayo" NOT "David Miscavidge"!
Marty still has a long road to travel - I don't like disparaging him -
well not yet anyway. He is still a "green" ex scio.
regards
Martin
rockyslammer
Sorry Barbara - no one ever invited me to weddings - I would get
drunk , fall over, and try to have my way with the bridesmaids!!
xenufrance
"rockyslammer" <rockys...@postmaster.co.uk> a �ｿｽcrit dans le message de
news: 39e96f31-923e-4f4c...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
Will my reply be posted or not - that is the question??
Quite how he thinks Mayo et al were associated with the US Justice
dept and the US IRS I can't follow.
I wrote Marty an email long while ago when he first started hi
freelance activities. He didn't reply.
Most of the AAC went out of business because there wasn't enough
interest. You see most of us realized after a short time that most of
scientology was just plain rubbish - and you can't run a business on
that!
Anyway let's see if Marty lets this through and if he responds.
regards
Martin
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martyrathbun09 // November 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Reply
Mostly Lurker: �ｿｽenslavement and monopoly�ｿｽ? Quite the contrary, Earle
Cooley was defending LRH from a huge, well funded assault from the
Justice department and IRS �ｿｽ with virtually all major media 100% on
board. Terril, Robin Scott, and others want us all to not-is what side
Mayo and his minions supported in that epic struggle.
*
Rockyslammer // November 21, 2009 at 11:58 pm
In 1982 it was the c of s that were attacking us!!
David Mayo, Robin Scott and all the other AAC�ｿｽs and independents
were quite content to play their own game more or less quietly.
I can�ｿｽt speak for others but I certainly wasn�ｿｽt supporting the
US Justice Department or the US IRS. Indeed when we all left the C of
S, because of David Miscavidge, we all wanted more than anything else
to carry on with �ｿｽour�ｿｽreligion more than anything else �ｿｽ and I can
show you the photos to prove it.
It is disingenuous to lump us all together as �ｿｽminions�ｿｽ and is
insulting.
Before anyone evaluates for me that I am stuck in a past
incident please be advised I am not. Indeed I have (as many others
from that era have) flourished and prospered.
Your �ｿｽepic�ｿｽ struggle was one entirely of the c of s�ｿｽ own
creation. Only you, here, know why.
I spent time at the AAC Santa Barbara whilst the c of s was busy
chasing people off the road and installing spies. I was at Canda Craig
with Robin Scott. I spent a year at the AAC Miami, and I was at the
inauguration of Capt Bills organisation in Spain. I funded the first
standard emeter project at St Hill �ｿｽ to fruition.
You of all people will know what the c of s tried to do and did
to me! All we wanted to do was apply standard scientology standardly
and YOU attacked us for wanting that! May I ask who is not-ising what?
I personally think at that time lrh had lost control and dm was
running the show so no blame was put on lrh at that time.
All arguments have two sides and it is interesting indeed to see
your side, even now, as you defend it.
regards
Martin Ruston
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
<<<Seems Marty is far from conscious of all the crimes committed by or for
L. Ron. He is not yet off the cult. If he keeps on like this, either he
could be able to take over the cult management, which seems though
improbable, or he'll open another similar one.
<<<Marty, it's time to do two things: think about the number of Hubbardian
texts ordering CRIMES to be committed, and stop thinking that LRH was always
right.
<<<r
rockyslammer
wrote:
OK - it looks like my post on Marty's site wasn't accepted - how sad!!
The truth is what it is Marty - you - I - whoever, can't change that.
It used to be believed that ostriches buried their head in the sand -
now it is only you!
How sad - Marty could have been a real asset.
regards
Martin
Maureen
wrote:
> Quite how he thinks Mayo et al were associated with the US Justice
> dept and the US IRS I can't follow.
[snip]
From your post to Marty:
> It is disingenuous to lump us all together as “minions” and is
> insulting.
>
> Before anyone evaluates for me that I am stuck in a past
> incident please be advised I am not. Indeed I have (as many others
> from that era have) flourished and prospered.
[snip]
> I personally think at that time lrh had lost control and dm was
> running the show so no blame was put on lrh at that time.
>
Marty -is- LRH. In order for him to run the show, everyone else has to
be wrong - in any way that
money will follow the same path.
This is the megolomania of $cientology. The leader must use propaganda
to control -the people-
Betrayal, lies and fraud are served daily.
Marty s at the helm of propaganda press, inc... Hubbard used
confusion, no difference with Marty.
It is served with half truths to keep all allured. Then the punchlines
are thrown out.
Is he baiting people, why?
Marty has been in so long, and is responsible for saving the world.
Lots of aggrandizing to follow.
Is this supposed to motivate stat pushers?
And, as if he is oblivious to the big entheta all over the media this
week.
Maureen
Eldon
wrote:
So much for pan-determinism ;-)
PAOLO:
I took part in some of meetings of the EU RTC Squirrel mission and,
man, those guys went serious lenght in being not that honorable
people. Just one accident: they told the border police that Mayo was
“some kind of a gangster” in order to have him held up at a european
border checkpoint…
I mean, Marty, what’s the point of getting into a debate of who was
good or who was bad? I had people sent to the RPF, I comm-ev’d people,
I lied, took part in over regging, executed disastrous orders. Why WE
are good and Mayo and all the others who fought the church bad?
What’s the difference?
Why don’t we just end this tragedy (1981-2009) by taking all a
pandetermined viewpoint? Even if Mayo was that bad, he still was a
product of our church. We should own up and take our share of
responsibility otherwise I am afraid we will never get out of this
mess. Per SOS the TRUTH always contains some kind of aestethic, it
can’t possibly be that Mayo was a devil and we on the other side were
all the good people.
MARTY:
You think I ought to join civil authorities who are being prodded into
attacking LRH and the tech with generalities and lies? I won’t. Not
with a gun to my head. I hope you are beginning to get the difference
between me and Mayo. And I never purported to create, nor do I intend
to, a “reformed church of Scientology.” This “gee, everybody is
everybody else, and everything that everybody does is ok” attitude is
a very dangerous trap.
(and later)
You think I ought to join civil authorities who are being prodded into
attacking LRH and the tech with generalities and lies? I won’t. Not
with a gun to my head. I hope you are beginning to get the difference
between me and Mayo. And I never purported to create, nor do I intend
to, a “reformed church of Scientology.” This “gee, everybody is
everybody else, and everything that everybody does is ok” attitude is
a very dangerous trap.
Eldon
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry to say so but it's par for his course.
>
> > Read his other pages and you'll see that he's very anti anyone who
> > does not believe in Scientology. That includes the free zone, even
> > thos he himself is a squirrel by definition
>
> I've read a few pages - mostly he confuses me!!
>
> I don't understand - Mayo and the whole AAC movement wanted standard
> scientology! Just as he does.
>
> We ALL blamed miscavidge - just as he does!
>
> To lump us all in to what he thinks the Justice dept and/or the IRS
> was doing is just plain nuts.
>
> Robin Scott was in Scotland for Christsakes!
>
> The AAC's were affiliated and joined ONLY because David Mayo was the
> senior tech person on the planet and we all though we would get
> standard tech because of it. Ye gads and little fishes - he wrote a
> lot of it including NOTS!! "DM" on all those red bulletins stands for
> "David Mayo" NOT "David Miscavidge"!
>
> Marty still has a long road to travel - I don't like disparaging him -
> well not yet anyway. He is still a "green" ex scio.
You don't? I enjoy disparaging him, mainly by pointing out the
contradictions he concocts from one day to the next. The sooner he
gets the idea that a modicum of honesty and consistency are required
attributes in the real world, the faster he's likely to adjust. LRH
could get away with acting that way, but he was on a ship in the
middle of the ocean hammering away at an encrypted telex machine.
Different milieu.
>
> regards
> Martin
rockyslammer
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry to say so but it's par for his course.
>
> Read his other pages and you'll see that he's very anti anyone who
> does not believe in Scientology. That includes the free zone, even
> thos he himself is a squirrel by definition
Yes I understand that - but why then have a big spread on Ken Urquhart
(who I also met in 1982)?
Ken was working at the AAC Santa Barbara - which Marty seems to vilify
in this post. I would say the logic is squew wiff (as they say!).
The way it seems to me is that Marty is digging himself into a very
deep hole. Says one thing one day something contradictory the next.
I would really like to know his actual agenda - all this theety weety
talk without saying anything. Just same old same old scientology.
David Mayo left the sea org and started delivering services. Marty
leaves the sea org and starts delivering services. But then Marty
vilifies David Mayo and the AAC network and makes some wild
unsupported claims they are connected to the US Justice Dept and the
IRS!! What utter rubbish! Today, here, I guess I know as much as
anyone about the AAC network. I am also in communication with Robin
Scott.
So what is the essential difference to Marty and David Mayo? Well
apart from the fact that David Mayo developed and wrote a lot of red
on white that is. No, Marty, you are two faced I'm afraid to say.
You write wild accusations without evidence and you allow no freedom
of discussion on your board. You want to control tightly your game by
lying, insinuating, and one sided comm - hey - you are still running
the c of s!!
But wait till you start intimidating and playing dirty tricks. No c
of s to hide behind mate! You'll be done like a dinner.
Marty they will never let you run the c of s - stop dreaming. Besides
if miscavidge goes and he well might, he will abscond with the cash.
Just tell what you know, become a human being and get on with life,
like we all have.
regards
Martin
rockyslammer
wrote:
one more try!
Rockyslammer // November 23, 2009 at 2:41 am
so what side did Mayo and “his minions” support in “that epic
struggle”?
As I was there, then the only side I saw them take was the anti DM
side. If you know different pray tell
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