Scientology lies to Fortean Times about Ron the "War Hero"
Chris Owen
Following the excellent Fortean Times review of the new book on Jack
Parsons, "Sex and Rockets", which featured a lengthy sidebar on L. Ron
Hubbard's sojourn with the OTO (see a.r.s. posts passim), a gentleman
from the "L. Ron Hubbard Office" in East Grinstead has written to put
the facts "straight"...
In the feature about Jack Parsons, "Rocket in his Pocket" [FT 132:
34-38], the writer attempted to belittle L Ron Hubbard by referring
to his "less than spectacular naval career." Mr Hubbard was in fact
awarded 21 war medals during his service in World War II, including
a Unit Citation which is only awarded by the President to combat units
that perform particularly meritorious service.
At the particular time mentioned in your article, Mr Hubbard was
working as an intelligence officer and was assigned to <i>break up</i>
the OTO ring for national security reasons and that was the sole
motive for his involvement.
A factual account of Mr Hubbard's involvement with the OTO can be
found in J Gordon Melton's <i>Thelemic Magic in America - the
Emergence of an Alternative Religion</i> (1981).
Mr Bob Keenan,
Executive Director,
The L. Ron Hubbard Office,
United Kingdom
When I read this I was reminded of Thomas Huxley's reaction to "Soapy
Sam" Wilberforce's oration back in 1860: 'Then, turning to his
antagonist with a smiling insolence, [Wilberforce] begged to know, was
it through his grandfather or his grandmother that he claimed his
descent from a monkey?"... [Huxley] turned to Sir Benjamin Brodie, who
was sitting beside him, and emphatically striking his hand upon his
knee, exclaimed, "The Lord hath delivered him into mine hands." '
So here's my response, which hopefully will Huxleyise the L. Ron Hubbard
Office:
Dear FT,
Mr. Bob Keenan ("From Ron's Office", Letters, FT 136) repeats many
long-disproved claims about L. Ron Hubbard's naval service, which the
FT rightly called "less than distinguished".
The US Navy's records show that Hubbard was awarded only four of the
21 medals claimed, all being very routine service awards. There was
no Presidential commendation. Two of the other 17 medals do not even
exist. The US, British and Dutch military authorities have confirmed
that the document on which Hubbard's claim was based is a poorly
executed forgery. It credits him with non-existent and non-awarded
medals, with academic qualifications that he never earned, serving on
a ship which was scrapped long before World War II and bears the
purported signature of a non-existent officer.
Hubbard was a junior intelligence officer for only 4½ months, during
early 1942. There is no evidence of any link with Naval Intelligence
at any time afterwards. When Hubbard was involved with the OTO, in
1945-46, he was on the US Navy's inactive list due to a recurrent
duodenal ulcer. FBI records show that Jack Parsons retained the
highest security clearances for years after Hubbard had left the OTO
with Parsons' girlfriend, soon to be Hubbard's second wife. The OTO
was not "broken up" by Hubbard and still exists to this day.
The OTO's official website is at http://www.otohq.org and a digitised
copy of Hubbard's service record can be found at
http://www.ronthewarhero.org.
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>MUs
Let me guess.You're in the Church Of Scientology and your reaction to learning
of Ron's WWll record was that someone has Misunderstood Words?
Earl
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On 20 Jun 2000 04:13:34 GMT.
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>MUs
Next AOL cult shill enters the stage. Geeze, what loons :-)
About MU's: Kyss mig ia arslet.
Sten-Arne
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ptsc
>About MU's: Kyss mig ia arslet.
ROFL! I think I understand that one and
I don't even know Swedish.
ptsc
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>Anti-Cult wrote:
Hehe, certain things sounds almost the same in English and Swedish.
This SP spelled it wrong though, even in my own language.
It should be: Kyss mig i arslet (or arselet) :-)
Sten-Arne
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> MU
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> On 20 Jun 2000 00:50:51 -0700.
> In Message-ID: <8in7or$5...@drn.newsguy.com>
> From: ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com>.
> Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://www.newsguy.com].
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Scientology lies to Fortean Times about Ron
> the "War Hero":
>
> >Anti-Cult wrote:
> >
> >>About MU's: Kyss mig ia arslet.
> >
> >ROFL! I think I understand that one and
> >I don't even know Swedish.
> >
> >ptsc
>
> Hehe, certain things sounds almost the same in English and Swedish.
> This SP spelled it wrong though, even in my own language.
>
> It should be: Kyss mig i arslet (or arselet) :-)
>
this is a keeper!!
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Byll23
>I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
Here's one in colloquial arabic: Qabbil teezee! (Means the same as Sten's
insult)
A more formal one, dedicated especially to Lyin' Ron:
Hubbard al-kaathib naaka umahu fi teezihaa 'ala al-mazbuul!
I'd tell you exactly what it means, but that would be a technical TOS
violation. Damn AOL. I'll get a real internet provider one of these days.
Chris Owen
<byl...@aol.com> writes
What's "son of a thousand fathers" in Arabic? The Arabs have some
splendid insults...
barb
>
> Starshadow wrote:
>
> >I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
Ask our local Ozzies about the word "dag". As I recall, it refers to the
bits of shit stuck to sheep butts. Most would consider that an insult.
:)
>
> Here's one in colloquial arabic: Qabbil teezee! (Means the same as Sten's
> insult)
>
> A more formal one, dedicated especially to Lyin' Ron:
>
> Hubbard al-kaathib naaka umahu fi teezihaa 'ala al-mazbuul!
>
> I'd tell you exactly what it means, but that would be a technical TOS
> violation. Damn AOL. I'll get a real internet provider one of these days.
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> Byll23 wrote:
> >
> > Starshadow wrote:
> >
> > >I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
>
> Ask our local Ozzies about the word "dag". As I recall, it refers to the
> bits of shit stuck to sheep butts. Most would consider that an insult.
> :)
I know lots of Oz insults. My Mum was Oz.
Starshadow
Byll23 <byl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Starshadow wrote:
>
> >I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
>
Starshadow
today, must be something wrong with my fingers!) meant to say, you could
always email me!!
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Byll23
>What's "son of a thousand fathers" in Arabic?
"Ibn Alf Ab". Or maybe it's "Ibn alf aabaa". Arabic plurals are funny. "Ibn
Sharmoota" means "Son of a whore", and is just as effective.
> The Arabs have some
>splendid insults...
They certainly do. Wish I could remember more of them. I used to be fluent, no
really! :-)
Byll23
>Whoops, sent without comment, (second time I've done that to mail or a post
>today, must be something wrong with my fingers!) meant to say, you could
>always email me!!
Could do that. Or I could just type out the meaning with asterisks instead of
vowels. Let's see the wankers complain to AOL about that! <Evil chuckle>.
"Hubbard" = Hubbard
"al-kaathib" = the liar
"naaka" = f**ks
"umahu" his mother
"fi" = in
"teezihaa" her a**
"'ala" = on/in
"al-mazbuul" = the dungheap/outhouse.
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:01:03 -0300, Cristino <yellow...@isla.net>
wrote:
>I've heard one that goes more or less like:
>
>May a thousand fleas from a thousand camels find shelter in your
>armpits.
>
>Byll23 wrote:
>>
>> Chris Owen wrote:
>>
>> >What's "son of a thousand fathers" in Arabic?
>>
>> "Ibn Alf Ab". Or maybe it's "Ibn alf aabaa". Arabic plurals are funny. "Ibn
>> Sharmoota" means "Son of a whore", and is just as effective.
>>
>> > The Arabs have some
>> >splendid insults...
>>
>> They certainly do. Wish I could remember more of them. I used to be fluent, no
>> really! :-)
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<chr...@lutefisk.OISPAMNOdemon.co.uk> wrote:
> When I read this I was reminded of Thomas Huxley's reaction to "Soapy
> Sam" Wilberforce's oration back in 1860: 'Then, turning to his
> antagonist with a smiling insolence, [Wilberforce] begged to know, was
> it through his grandfather or his grandmother that he claimed his
> descent from a monkey?"... [Huxley] turned to Sir Benjamin Brodie, who
> was sitting beside him, and emphatically striking his hand upon his
> knee, exclaimed, "The Lord hath delivered him into mine hands."
Oh, very nice - and on-topic, too:
Huxley: "I asserted - and I repeat - that a man has no reason to be
ashamed of having an ape for his grandfather. If there were an ancestor
whom I should feel shame in recalling it would rather be a man-a man of
restless and versatile intellect-who, not content with an equivocal
success in his own sphere of activity, plunges into scientific questions
with which he has no real acquaintance, only to obscure them by an
aimless rhetoric, and distract the attention of his hearers from the
real point at issue by eloquent digressions and skilled appeals to
religious prejudice. "
http://www.uta.edu/english/danahay/debate.html
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Chris Owen
Podkayne1 <podk...@aol.com> writes
>In article <VaO2gNAI...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>, Chris Owen
><chr...@lutefisk.OISPAMNOdemon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> When I read this I was reminded of Thomas Huxley's reaction to "Soapy
>> Sam" Wilberforce's oration back in 1860: 'Then, turning to his
>> antagonist with a smiling insolence, [Wilberforce] begged to know, was
>> it through his grandfather or his grandmother that he claimed his
>> descent from a monkey?"... [Huxley] turned to Sir Benjamin Brodie, who
>> was sitting beside him, and emphatically striking his hand upon his
>> knee, exclaimed, "The Lord hath delivered him into mine hands."
>
>Oh, very nice - and on-topic, too:
>
>Huxley: "I asserted - and I repeat - that a man has no reason to be
>ashamed of having an ape for his grandfather. If there were an ancestor
>whom I should feel shame in recalling it would rather be a man-a man of
>restless and versatile intellect-who, not content with an equivocal
>success in his own sphere of activity, plunges into scientific questions
>with which he has no real acquaintance, only to obscure them by an
>aimless rhetoric, and distract the attention of his hearers from the
>real point at issue by eloquent digressions and skilled appeals to
>religious prejudice. "
>
>http://www.uta.edu/english/danahay/debate.html
Some things never change, do they? Huxley's argument has just as much
force and resonance today as it did 140 years ago. It seemed especially
applicable to Scientology, given its use of Wilberforcian rhetoric. (Is
it from their grandmothers or grandfathers that they claim descent from
clams?)
Chris Leithiser
> Some things never change, do they? Huxley's argument has just as much
> force and resonance today as it did 140 years ago. It seemed especially
> applicable to Scientology, given its use of Wilberforcian rhetoric. (Is
> it from their grandmothers or grandfathers that they claim descent from
> clams?)
There's some evidence that the exchange never took place, IIRC... It's
covered in one of Steven Jay Gould's essays.
Also here: http://www.starcourse.org/jcp/galileo.html
Like the fight against $cientology (and the descent of clams), the truth
is usually more complex than we think.
MerriSedai
>is usually more complex than we think.<<
I have been having TMJ problems lately. Do you think that could be because I
read about the clams without having proper tech first?
Chris Owen
<merri...@aol.com> writes
Oh, for sure. That's a really reckless thing to do, you know. Just be
glad you didn't read OT III, otherwise you'd have pneumonia right now...
MerriSedai
>glad you didn't read OT III, otherwise you'd have pneumonia right now...<<
But I did! Should I check into a hospital?
Dave Bird
writes:
>Byll23 wrote:
>>
>> Starshadow wrote:
>>
>> >I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
>
>bits of shit stuck to sheep butts. Most would consider that an insult.
Commonly found in the expression "rattle your dags" i.e. hop to it
(when sheep run around, the bits of dried crap on their bums rattle).
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> In article<3950D28B...@pacbell.net>, barb <bw...@pacbell.net>
> writes:
> >Byll23 wrote:
> >>
> >> Starshadow wrote:
> >>
> >> >I love collecting insults in other peoples' languages!
> >
> >Ask our local Ozzies about the word "dag". As I recall, it refers to the
> >bits of shit stuck to sheep butts. Most would consider that an insult.
>
> Commonly found in the expression "rattle your dags" i.e. hop to it
> (when sheep run around, the bits of dried crap on their bums rattle).
Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten that one. Mum used to call stupid people
"Drongos"...like when someone said "Mel-born" instead of "Mel-burn" on
tellie, she'd say "You stupid drongo!"
At her memorial when the clueless funeral home person kept saying her home
town as "Ben-DIE-go" I expected her ghost to rise from her ashes and yell,
"You stupid drongo!"
She must not have been paying attention.