I do not consider Christianity a real religion. It is a mind control implant and nothing more. I respect Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and many more religions but I do not accept Christianity as a legitimate religion.
Jonathon Barbera
I do not consider Christianity a real religion. It is a mind control
implant and nothing more. I respect Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism
and many more religions but I do not accept Christianity as a
legitimate religion.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
I am not in the Church of Scientology. I was excommunicated in 1994.
The Church of Scientology accept Christians. I am reluctant to accept
them as they are dramatizing a vicious mind control implant. This is
doubly true of Roman Catholics.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Fappafappashoopshoop
news:pijhr355p6imbu9lb...@4ax.com:
Here's the thing though. Christianity is not all of the Pauline creed,
which is more in line with the pharisaic model of Judaism, although
Judaism is what one would call a unitarian religion, where Christianity
is a trinitarian faith. Christianity owes much of it's history and
creed to Judaism, and so does Islam.
I am not necessarily a christian, however, I do consider it a legitimate
religion, unlike say $cientology.
My contention has always been that a religion is always a good thing
until people get involved.
--
The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness
anonymousAltF4
wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:16:41 -0700, Jonathon Barbera
>
>
> >I do not consider Christianity a real religion. It is a mind control
> >implant and nothing more. I respect Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism
> >and many more religions but I do not accept Christianity as a
> >legitimate religion.
>
> >Love,
> >-- Jonathon
>
> I am not in the Church of Scientology. I was excommunicated in 1994.
> The Church of Scientology accept Christians. I am reluctant to accept
> them as they are dramatizing a vicious mind control implant. This is
> doubly true of Roman Catholics.
>
> Love,
> -- Jonathon
So? Go post that all on a Christianity news group. Why would ARS care
what you think of Christianity?
t_shuffle
"anonymousAltF4" <anon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> So? Go post that all on a Christianity news group. Why
> would ARS care what you think of Christianity?
He's just trolling. His goal is simply to draw people's attention to him,
and away from discussing the cult.
barbarasc...@excite.com
wrote:
I met very false people, people who say that they are good because
they are Christians. I am disappointed in Christians too. But perhaps
you want to think once more about Jesus, Jonathon.
I don't think that Ron said that Jesus is an implant. I assume that
statement was planted in the orgs by p$ychs as anti-religious
activity. I rather think that Ron and Jesus were real close in past
lives.
Was Jesus even a man and not a woman? What Jesus said was typically
what a woman would say. If Jesus was a woman, would you forgive her
for crying? (If she really cried?) Being nailed might hurt and
introvert even an OT. It is not easy.
Jesus recovered and picked the slaughtered and dead body up and flew
again around with it. Not bad, if I might say so.
Within 50 years, numerous Scientology material was changed by numerous
people. Why would that not have happened to the bible through the who
is a lot older?
There are lots of indications that Jesus was an OT and also taught
about past lives. I learned that there was this meeting of the Cath.
Church in 500 after Christi in Constantinopel and they decided to cut
past lives out of the bible.
It is not Jesus' fault that the SPs changed the religion so much. And
it is not L. Ron Hubbard's fault that non-Scientologists alter his
writings.
Anyway, Scientology is the religion that Jesus would chose over the
Christian religion as Scientology aims at advanced abilities. And
there can't be any doubt that Jesus had some of those.
That remark that Jesus was a pedophile is a 100 % not by L. Ron
Hubbard. Somebody else wrote that in Scientology, somebody who thought
that a man who says: "Let the children come to me" is a pedo.
Anyway, look at Jesus of being a woman and the "Let the children come
to me" is nothing but typically female but not pedo.
Look at the painting of Leonardo DaVinci. It means to me rather that
the girl who leans on the male Jesus is Jesus, and the man she leans
on is her husband.
Anyway, try to figure it out. Everything makes more sense, since I
came to the conclusion that Jesus was no man.
Remember the figure on the cross with the legs put across and the nail
driven through? If she was a woman, her legs likely would have been
not across, but I am convinced that the Christian church made her into
a man to clean that "messy thing of a rape up" for their Christians.
So, the blood on the alleged male Jesus run out of the side. You can
imagine where the blood ran from the woman after being raped by SPs
and anti-religious extremists.
Did you ever wonder why people say "being nailed" to somebody who was
raped? (Because they basically know?)
Barbara Schwarz
Fappafappashoopshoop
580252...@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com:
Oh NoeS! SP rapists! I just heard another rumour Barbzbaal. I hear
Marty Rathbun had a sex change operation and is now a stripper in
Tijuana called Conchita.
anonymousAltF4
> On Feb 17, 6:16 pm, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
> wrote:
> Anyway, Scientology is the religion that Jesus would chose over the
> Christian religion as Scientology aims at advanced abilities. And
> there can't be any doubt that Jesus had some of those.
This is the faultiness of your logic. Christianity is a result of
Jesus and his apostles. Jesus did not choose Christianity, because
Christianity did not exist (as Christianity anyway) until Jesus
established it.
Well, it's just one of your logical faults.
Jonathon Barbera
I have heard many Scientologists in the church talk approvingly of
Jesus. Perhaps one day I will become more tolerant of Jesus. Maybe
then the Church of Scientology will be more tolerant of me.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
Then why do Christians come here and give their false impressions of
Scientology? If Christians insist on attacking Scientology, then I
will have to remind them that they are dramatizing a vicious mind
control implant. If they ever escape their brainwashing condition, I
will gladly accept them as friends.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Fappafappashoopshoop
b5b0-5c9...@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
Yep. christianity as we know it now, was primarily influenced by Saul of
Tarsus, otherwise know as Paul, who by the way, never met Jesus and
actually at one time, was responsible for hunting and killing
"christians". Paul and James (the brother of jesus) were somewhat at
loggerheads regarding doctrine, and ultimately Paul won out. We should
more accurately call it Pauline Christianity.
Azure Flame God
news:gaohr35262luo2mh8...@4ax.com...
I discussed Scientology with friends while in Puerto Rico in 2001.The next
morning the Montserrat volcano went off.I have the original mails discussing
the event.I dont give false impressions, I try to understand.I also am
speaking only for myself.
Have a nice day.
Jonathon Barbera
<fappafappa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now we are in agreement!
Was Saul-turned-Paul really converted or was his conversion a ploy to
take over the early movement for the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin?
Love,
-- Jonathon
Seebs
> Then why do Christians come here and give their false impressions of
> Scientology?
Well, one reason might be that this is a newsgroup for discussing scientology.
Of course, I've seen nothing at all to suggest that these impressions are
false. In fact, the more I read the posts from the cultists here, the more
convinced I am that the "false" impressions are, if anything, understatements.
Let me just give one simple example:
You repeatedly assert that you are not a Scientologist, but you believe,
so far as I can tell, all the teachings of the religion. That you consider
the religion to be only its control structure, not its beliefs or practices,
tells us much more than any of those beliefs ever could. You have testified
unequivocally that the "Church of Scientology" is exclusively a system for
enslavement. If it were anything else, you would not draw that distinction
the way you do.
Don't waste your time on obvious denials. The actions speak clearly as to
the cognitive structure that produced them.
--
Copyright 2008, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / se...@plethora.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
phil scott
wrote:
more lines and spin from this cult op.... scientology is founded by
Hubbard to be anti christian and he credits a long list of satanists
for his 'insights'.... barbera is trying to disttract and create
confusion is all
back to the march 15 protest issues
Phil scott
Fappafappashoopshoop
743a62...@o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
K, Jonathon is killfiled.
Feisty
"Fappafappashoopshoop" <fappafappa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You'll see there are more posters coming on this thread, as if it's marked
with a bullseye??
They watch your reaction, of laughter, and they like that too. It's the
yo-yo effect after while.
They try their hardest by tricky working - 'sleight of text" junk to get in
ye head.. and then next time they get you angry. Back and forth. watch the
pendulum.... The yo-yo.. You may get tired of it :-)
Maureen
Fappafappashoopshoop
news:b_5uj.1281$Mw...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
Lol,actually I find anger to be less than useful in many situations.
Barbzebaal is fun to fuck with, because either a. She is that shithouse
rat crazy, or b. She is pretending to be that shithouse rat crazy. In
any case, all one has to do is mention Marty Rathbun and there is a
flurry of Barbar-ism whixh is fun to manipulate.
--
t_shuffle
"Fappafappashoopshoop" <fappafappa...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:Xns9A47C7B593083fa...@66.250.146.128
> Yep. christianity as we know it now, was primarily
> influenced by Saul of Tarsus, otherwise know as Paul, who
> by the way, never met Jesus and actually at one time, was
> responsible for hunting and killing "christians". Paul
> and James (the brother of jesus) were somewhat at
> loggerheads regarding doctrine, and ultimately Paul won
> out. We should more accurately call it Pauline
> Christianity.
>
>
>
> --
> The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness
Not to take anything away from your post, but it was made in vain. JB
couldn't give a shit less about Christianity.
His only purpose here is to distract, and *every* reply he gets is a win.
barbarasc...@excite.com
<fappafappashoopsh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> barbaraschwarz2...@excite.com wrote in news:209938a4-94a1-40f0-bda9-
> 5802527e9...@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com:
Marty is a real man, Fappi. He never would change his gender. Out of
character. He loves being a man. Just as I love to be a woman.
It is hard for you twisted people to learn that there are a few real
straight people left, isn't it?
You should address any stripper postings to Tory. We have nothing to
do with this.
--
Barbara Schwarz
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
Read also this: http://groups.google.com/group/rattle-users/browse_thread/thread/920c521a661d867a
Bruns retaliates and smears my name also in anonymous Blogspot that is
filled with factual lies about me for which he can be sued. It
wouldn't be the first defamation lawsuit brought against him.
MY OTHER STALKER IS TILMAN JOERG HAUSHERR FROM GERMANY, BERLIN,
EMPLOYED BY SIEMENS, WHICH HAS COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GERMAN
SECRET SERVICE OPC.
Hausherr posted that it is a good idea to hurt American tourism.
Click here for information on Tilman Hausherr:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/kevins-files/
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Tilman+Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
Here are factual criminal records about Hausherr's friend, the
habitual offender, defamer and forger Korey Jerome Kruse from Olathe,
Kansas. I am very certain that Kruse defames himself in ridiculous
postings saying about himself that he is convicted Nazi spy, etc. to
DISTRACT from his REAL rotten activities and criminal past, which is
here:
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
barbarasc...@excite.com
wrote:
I respect your opinions, Jonathon.
Barbara
barbarasc...@excite.com
wrote:
I think the people who post here are non-religious and anti-religious.
They don't believe in anything but p$ychs,
barbarasc...@excite.com
<fappafappashoopsh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Feisty" <Lermanet...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b_5uj.1281$Mw...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
You sound intoxicated. I don't like Marty defamed. Period.
If you would know how it is to love somebody, you would that person
also not defamed.
Tom Newton
Christianity is a collection of beliefs about the nature of reality. Just
like all the other religions, including Science. Including Scientology.
The basic assumptions that each of them are based on, including Science
itself, cannot be tested with the Scientific Method.
You can't pick one of them and call it illegitimate.
Unless you are stupid.
Or a troll with no life who is just trying to start a fight to entertain
himself.
I won't be downloading any more posts on this stupid thread.
Tom
--
calhobbit (at) | Artificial Intelligence:
gmail [DOT] com | When the real thing just won't do.
roger gonnet
news:pijhr355p6imbu9lb...@4ax.com...
I'm indeed writing a short study on a scientologist writer whose hate of
christianism demonstrate that for the moment, christians are the most
targeted "enemies " of the crime cult.
r
peters...@gmail.com
Does this mean you won't read my post? OMG! And you will not post here
anymore, too?
Well, I will try to live with that.
Peter
Jonathon Barbera
It is good that you had that experience. Keep up the good work. If
enough decent people work it out, this world will become an even
better place for all.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
>On 2008-02-18, Jonathon Barbera <jonatho...@ispname.net> wrote:
>> Then why do Christians come here and give their false impressions of
>> Scientology?
>
>Well, one reason might be that this is a newsgroup for discussing scientology.
>
>Of course, I've seen nothing at all to suggest that these impressions are
>false. In fact, the more I read the posts from the cultists here, the more
>convinced I am that the "false" impressions are, if anything, understatements.
>
>Let me just give one simple example:
>
>You repeatedly assert that you are not a Scientologist, but you believe,
>so far as I can tell, all the teachings of the religion. That you consider
>the religion to be only its control structure, not its beliefs or practices,
>tells us much more than any of those beliefs ever could. You have testified
>unequivocally that the "Church of Scientology" is exclusively a system for
>enslavement. If it were anything else, you would not draw that distinction
>the way you do.
>
>Don't waste your time on obvious denials. The actions speak clearly as to
>the cognitive structure that produced them.
You're mixing distinct types of people within the church. Only the Sea
Org could be considered "enslaved". They are, however, willing slaves
dedicated for one billion years to their religion. Saul-turned-Paul,
the Christianity editor, also wrote in terms of being a slave to
Christ in his epistles. He also used paramilitant terms when talking
of putting on armor, etc. in spiritual warfare.
The naval uniforms worn by the Sea Org relates directly to their
spiritual war against insanity, crime and war.
As far as me not being a Scientologist: this is not correct. I do
study and apply the applied religious philosophy of Scientology. I do
not belong to the Church of Scientology as I was excommunicated in
1994. I follow the religion of Scientology but I am completely
uninvolved with any Scientology organization.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
The Christians rely on the psychs for their "technology" as the
Christians themselves have none of their own. The psych drugs and
abusive psychsurgery might make Christians more manageable, but at
what cost to themselves as immortal spiritual beings?
If I appear anti-Christian, it is because I care about the people
themselves. I am not against people. I am against the mind control
implant that enslaves these people.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
If it appears that Hubbard is anti-Christian, it is only because I
have posted so much anti-Christian sentiment on this newsgroup since
1995.
I reposted the fake OT VIII many times. I'm the one that says
Christianity and the man on the cross are mental implants.
Other Scientologists (those in good standing) are tolerant of other
religions. I am, too, except that I do not count Christianity as a
legitimate religion. It is a mind control implant and nothing more.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
<fappafappa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Welcome to swiss cheese land, newbie.
Love,
-- Jonathon
Jonathon Barbera
I am technically known as an "ex-Scientologist" by the church. They
consider me a "critic". The church keeps my name on the same list as
yours.
All of us "ex-Scientologists" have certain issues we pursue that are
parallel to Scientology but not part of it. I am the
"ex-Scientologist" who asserts that Christianity and the man on the
cross are mind control implants used to enslave people around the
world.
Love,
-- Jonathon
