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Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:5SHPOUE438768.6836111111@anonymous.poster...
> Impact 111 Oct 05
> The Magazine of the International Association of Scientologists
I wonder how many people here realize how the cult gets it money
from its public.
First you are told after course that there is an ias event and there
is great news and you should attend.
If your not on course you get a phone call stating the same.
If your foolish enough to attend, you get about 20 minutes on
how the cult is making strides in the world.
Then the ias reg gets a blackboard and writes a crazy figure on
it, something like, 40,000.00.
As the reg is writing on the board, the few staff members attending
close the doors and stand by them, to make it intimidating if you
decide to leave.
Then the reg starts reging the room, asking who is going to start
the donations, and the reg starts pushing as many buttons as possible,
stating if ias doesn't get the money the world will end the next day,
all kind of crap like that.
Anyways, the more aware people get up and leave, and the more
intimadated stay, banging up their credit cards, writing checks hoping
they don't bounce, etc,etc.
Actually a few people just stick around not giving money, but watch
the antics of the reg and the effects of the public.
Sickening actually. You are usually indirectly made wrong, for not
remortgaging your house, or calling friends to help you get the money.
But the comforting thought, is knowing you will get that shiney pin
for helping out the execs live the life of reily, while the staff live off
grub.
Genesis
Quaoar
That "shiny pin" must carry a lot of psychological weight for both the
wearer and the viewers of the pin for this whole regging/donation
process to work. The cost of that "shiny pin" must provide a high level
of positive reinforcement from the kult and the members who see it,
otherwise no one in their right mind would pony up the big bucks that we
see listed on Cerridwen's postings.
I'm visualizing a gradient process in the kult's obtaining these
donations. "Regging" might work for the first donation, but what about
the latter donations? Any sentient human being would cog to the regging
process easily; there must be some very important positive reinforcement
from the initial donation that causes the member to donate the *second*
time. Frankly, I don't think that fear is enough of a motivator for
anything involving money, except fear will promote the "fight or flight"
psychology.
So, since you were a $cientologist at one time, what is the motivation
for continuing these donations, in your opinion?
Q
realpch
<snip>
> That "shiny pin" must carry a lot of psychological weight for both the
> wearer and the viewers of the pin for this whole regging/donation
> process to work. The cost of that "shiny pin" must provide a high level
> of positive reinforcement from the kult and the members who see it,
> otherwise no one in their right mind would pony up the big bucks that we
> see listed on Cerridwen's postings.
>
> I'm visualizing a gradient process in the kult's obtaining these
> donations. "Regging" might work for the first donation, but what about
> the latter donations? Any sentient human being would cog to the regging
> process easily; there must be some very important positive reinforcement
> from the initial donation that causes the member to donate the *second*
> time. Frankly, I don't think that fear is enough of a motivator for
> anything involving money, except fear will promote the "fight or flight"
> psychology.
>
> So, since you were a $cientologist at one time, what is the motivation
> for continuing these donations, in your opinion?
>
> Q
Preclear folder contents?
; )
Peach
Genesis
Quaoar <qua...@marcabfleet.com> wrote in message
news:w6GdncHeDPT...@comcast.com...
> wearer and the viewers of the pin for this whole regging/donation
> process to work. The cost of that "shiny pin" must provide a high level
> of positive reinforcement from the kult and the members who see it,
> otherwise no one in their right mind would pony up the big bucks that we
> see listed on Cerridwen's postings.
>
> I'm visualizing a gradient process in the kult's obtaining these
> donations. "Regging" might work for the first donation, but what about
> the latter donations? Any sentient human being would cog to the regging
> process easily; there must be some very important positive reinforcement
> from the initial donation that causes the member to donate the *second*
> time. Frankly, I don't think that fear is enough of a motivator for
> anything involving money, except fear will promote the "fight or flight"
> psychology.
>
> So, since you were a $cientologist at one time, what is the motivation
> for continuing these donations, in your opinion?
>
> Q
When your in, you want to help. If you don't have the means to forward
the $$$ its looked upon as you are low toned and very unable as a person.
You are told constantly Co$ members are able, and you must be doing
something out ethics to not be pulling in the big bucks to give to the cult.
You are also constantly told as a cult member you are part of the eliete
on this planet, and frivolous things like houses,cars, food, are not as
important
as the planet being saved by the Co$.
The only thing important within the cult, is money always being ''flowed to
power'' as they state it. The claim by the regs were if you flow power
''money''
to the cult, you will be rewareded and magically get it back somehow.
If you are not doing everything to insure the Co$is financed, you have other
intentions.
Unfortunately I have seen way to many people live like paupers after giving
more than they can afford to the cult.
Then the staff at the cult state you must be out ethics to be living like
this.
Actually really funny when you think about it.
There's more, but this should answer your question
Genesis
--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
Susan
|| Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
|| news:5SHPOUE438768.6836111111@anonymous.poster...
||| Impact 111 Oct 05
||| The Magazine of the International Association of Scientologists
||
|| I wonder how many people here realize how the cult gets it money
|| from its public.
|| First you are told after course that there is an ias event and there
|| is great news and you should attend.
|| If your not on course you get a phone call stating the same.
|| If your foolish enough to attend, you get about 20 minutes on
|| how the cult is making strides in the world.
|| Then the ias reg gets a blackboard and writes a crazy figure on
|| it, something like, 40,000.00.
|| As the reg is writing on the board, the few staff members attending
|| close the doors and stand by them, to make it intimidating if you
|| decide to leave.
Yep, this is sad but true. How iRONic that these cultic folks who profess to
be at cause over matter, energy, space and time- not to mention postulates
have to resort to strong arm tactics of intimidation and, that their members
do not obviously give of their own free will.
I have a friend who told me that when she tried to leave instead of staying
for the event, that everywhere she went to find an open exit, the whole org
was strategically blocked off by staff members and she had to force her way
out! Very scary.
Another part of the coersion at the event is that, certain people at the
event pledge outrageous sums of money and anyone who knows them, realizes
that the amount pledged is ridiculously out of their league. I saw this when
the IAS reg's wife pledged over twenty thousand dollars one night. The mood
and energy in the room was unrealistically exhilarating for several of those
individuals who wound themselves up to the nth cultic degree.
Susan
Quaoar
Actually, no, although the PC folders could work. what I am thinking is
that there is a subtle motivator for $cientologists to donate the second
time. There is a motivator. What is it?
Q
Quaoar
"When your are in, you want to help". So on the second regging, how is
one "in"? What is the motivator for donating large money, the second
time? I've been in several "first time" experiences, but never have been
in "second time" experiences when it was obvious that the "first time"
experiences were scams. Particularly, the "big money" people who have
big money through their own initiative seem to provide major $$ in the
future.
What are these big $$ donators getting from the kult that motivates them
to donate subsequent big $$?
Jebuz! Don't these big donators have an independent mind at all?
Q
Critics claim that the basis of $cientology is bogus. Given this, what
causes members to spring major money to IAS?
Q
realpch
Yeah, I was just funning. Once I was walking around Fisherman's Wharf
with a friend, and we went into a tent where some kind of auction was
going on. They had a lot of suspicious goods...presumed antique brass
ships' items, and watches of dubious quality, likely ersatz jewelry. We
stayed for about 20 minutes, but hadn't gotten there at the beginning,
so never knew how it was set up. The other people there included obvious
bidding shills, and many hapless tourists. It wasn't clear how the
bidding worked, but what was clear was that people were getting all
jived up by crowd enthusiasm to show how much money they could spend on
worthless goods. A good manipulator can do a lot with a crowd that's
been hypnotized by patter to keep up with the Joneses. Sigh.
Peach
realpch
Perceived status and perceived value. Probably a bunch of guilt thrown
in. Peer pressure. The usual.
Peach
Howard
>
> Quaoar wrote:
> >
> > realpch wrote:
> > > Quaoar wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > >> So, since you were a $cientologist at one time, what is the motivation
> > >> for continuing these donations, in your opinion?
> > >>
> > >> Q
> > >
> > > Preclear folder contents?
> > >
> > > ; )
> > >
> > > Peach
> >
> > Actually, no, although the PC folders could work. what I am thinking is
> > that there is a subtle motivator for $cientologists to donate the second
> > time. There is a motivator. What is it?
> >
> > Q
>
> Yeah, I was just funning. Once I was walking around Fisherman's Wharf
> with a friend, and we went into a tent where some kind of auction was
> going on. They had a lot of suspicious goods...presumed antique brass
> ships' items, and watches of dubious quality, likely ersatz jewelry. We
> stayed for about 20 minutes, but hadn't gotten there at the beginning,
> so never knew how it was set up. The other people there included obvious
> bidding shills, and many hapless tourists. It wasn't clear how the
> bidding worked, but what was clear was that people were getting all
> jived up by crowd enthusiasm to show how much money they could spend on
> worthless goods. A good manipulator can do a lot with a crowd that's
> been hypnotized by patter to keep up with the Joneses. Sigh.
>
> Peach
Ah yes - Mock Auctions. In the late '50's they were a frequent
feature in various premises on Oxford Street in central London. I
once got taken for a 'state of the art' portable Dansette
33/45/78rpm record player. So it goes...
They're an enduring and pernicious scam:
[...]
“They’re holding an auction at that old carpet warehouse on the City
Road,” says a friend of mine eagerly. “Should be right up your
street” Should be, but isn’t. The flyer he is holding doesn’t relate
to a real auction. Although the cheaply printed sheet of paper
doesn’t say so, he is being asked to attend a mock auction,
sometimes known as a one-day sale.
[...]
See URL:
http://www.ganews.co.uk/article2.html
Howard
--
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realpch
Yes, like that Howard, only there were some extra things thrown in. I
think at one point they had the shills getting publicly paid the
difference in cash should someone outbid them. The shill bid, a worker
handed him the item and took his money, then if someone else bid on it,
they paid the shill the difference in cash and took the item and gave it
to the next person! It was really strange, and I couldn't quite figure
out what was going on, but I don't think anyone else in the audience
could either! But at least I wasn't bidding...
Peach