Scientology's out-of-court settlements and refunds
Tilman Hausherr
In <33F884...@worldnet.att.net>, Joe Harrington
<joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>3 million dollars the David Mayo case. Paid
Evidence? The mayo settlement was so secret that no one has ever alleged
that there was a settlement. It was just "assumed".
The 3mio value is just $100,000 over his attorney costs.
>5.7 million the Canadian Casey Hill Case. Paid
This is wrong. It was ~ $3,000,000, including interest.
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roger gonnet
Joe Harrington wrote:
>
> Scientology pays millions in judgements and secret settlements to
> former
> members and critics.
>
> Here is a partial list of court judgements and out of court
> settlements
> where Scientology has had to pay or has been ordered to pay for its
> abuses.
>
> 3 million dollars the David Mayo case. Paid
>
>
>
> About 3.1 million the Mike Flynn cases includes ($800,000 to Gerry
> Armstrong) Paid.
>
> $500,000 to Washington Post for frivolous lawsuit. Paid
>
> About $800,000 to Paulette Cooper author of Scandal of Scientology for
> harassment. Paid
>
> An estimated 50,000 for unknown author not to write a book critical of
> Scientology
>
> An estimated 2-3 million in payments in other sealed court judgements
> against Scientology
>
> An estimated 3-5 million in payments in out of court settlements paid
> to
> people who have sued Scientology or to high ranking former
> Scientologists or Scientology Executives
>
> It is also estimated Scientology has returned ten of millions of
> dollars
> in advanced payments or as refunds to former Scientologists rather
> than
> have them sue them. (We hope soon to be setting up links to a web page
> that will have information on how to get a refund from Scientology if
> they are giving you a hard time.)
you can add 150000 fine for homicide , unpaid in france (Lyon appeal
court sentence has been sent to Cassation Court recently);plus damages;
100000 damages in france, narconon - i don't know if this was paid
many suits dismissed, probably with costs paid to the person suing,
43 millions FF ( 8 millions $) amends and delayed unpaid taxes, france
100000 refund to one of the victims of Lyon
etc.
>
> Send additions or comments to man...@rmi.net
>
> Lawrence Wollersheim (for FactNet)
Joe Harrington
JimDBB
>Scientology pays millions in judgements and secret settlements to former
>members and critics.
>Here is a partial list of court judgements and out of court settlements
>where Scientology has had to pay or has been ordered to pay for its
>abuses.
Thanks for posting this valuable information. Would someone post
information on the 'gag' orders? Most people probably do not know that
there are 'gag' orders with most settlements and these people are never
heard from again. Margery Wakefield had the courage to break her 'gag'
order. How can these be legal?
roger gonnet
The problem is that those people are certainly most afraid of losing
their monies; as long as they do not organize their unsolvabilities like
Margery Wakefield, it's very hard to say anything on the matter!
Legality about it has been also questioned, especially because gag
orders implied clearly never to speak of scieno, even if you were
deposed in a suit... this, at least from my viewpoint, can't be legal.
I'll recall another sort of totally illegal i had to sign up (or else,
being declared /ousted from scam).
This one was a 16 pages contract between CSI, RTC and us, Association de
l'église de scientologie de Lyon - france ; i was then the DCO and
president of the assoc and my wife was the CO.
The contract: we had to sign up because it could be used then by RTC/CSI
(Sea Org) to take away the organization from our hands - it was in the
1981-82 period. What was most illegal here wer the following points:
A/ From a scieno's viewpoint: the "Church of scientology, International,
named itself a sect and wrote all along the contract of "sectarian
writings" instead of "LRH's writings etc." As we did not want to be
qualified as a sect or cult, it was quite dumbfounding to see the main
leaders of "c"o$ calling the "church" a sect and the hubbard's writings
qualified as sectarian.
B/ from legal viewpoint, it was far worse: totally illegal.
1/ we, CO/President/DCO/Vice-president of the association, we had to
sign that
nobody in our staff, in our public, or ourselves, would NEVER and in
ANY CASE or
occasion, engage any suit against CSI, RTC, their associates, or LRH or
his family, and this was to be signed as well for PAST, PRESENT or
FUTURE dealings, known or unknown.
Therefore, if you read this, they were asking us to sign for everybody
ever coming on our lines, which is illegal, and they asked us to signe
for past, present and future, which is impossible: nobody can sign
instead of another, and nobody has any right to make you abandon
unknown future rights in unknown occasions.
2/ We had to sign off a lot of other things - i don't remember which
ones exactly, but at least one of those was also illegal: we had to
accept to pay 1000 $ a day for every "missionaire" coming from RTC/CSI,
plus the travel and housing costs, in case RTC/CSI decided we had to
get some missionaires in our group; due to the tarif, and the fact that
they knew our reserves, they certainly would have used this to pump off
every money each time we had some, and to engage the association in
bankruptcy if needed from their fanatic
viewpoint.
This is especially illegal in France, because french assocs must be led
by french people, otherwise, they become foreign associations; while
signing up those conditions where they could have been able to put us
out as trhey wanted, and taking our money as they wanted, we would have
no more been the president and vice-president of the assoc. Therefore,
the entire assoc becoming illegal undeclared foreign assoc - which they
were...
Roger
Christopher L. Tumber
Joe wrote:
> An estimated 50,000 for unknown author not to write a book critical of
> Scientology
Wow! Sounds like an easy way to make $50K!
Anybody else going to be firing up their word processors this week-end?
Paul
Joe Harrington wrote:
>
> Scientology pays millions in judgements and secret settlements to former
> members and critics.
>
> Here is a partial list of court judgements and out of court settlements
> where Scientology has had to pay or has been ordered to pay for its
> abuses.
One thing I'd like to know is how much of that money was consumed by
attorney's fees. I suspect that the individuals cited got very little
of the money paid by the Church of Scientology[tm].
And, in all fairness to the Church of Scientology[tm], have they ever
been awarded money in a lawsuit? I know of one case, but I wonder if
there are more?
-Paul
Keith Henson
Tilman Hausherr (til...@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: In <33F884...@worldnet.att.net>, Joe Harrington
: <joe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >3 million dollars the David Mayo case. Paid
: Evidence? The mayo settlement was so secret that no one has ever alleged
: that there was a settlement. It was just "assumed".
: The 3mio value is just $100,000 over his attorney costs.
: >5.7 million the Canadian Casey Hill Case. Paid
: This is wrong. It was ~ $3,000,000, including interest.
Sounds like Lawrence (or somone) mixed these two up. 5.7 sounds about
right for Mayo, though I thought it was a little larger. Keith Henson
Gregg Hagglund
In article <hkhensonE...@netcom.com>, hkhe...@netcom.com (Keith
Henson) wrote:
It is both right and wrong.
Casey Hill received about $3,000,000 including interest
and the legal bills Co$ had to pay were in the same range.
Under the signatures of Yvette Shank ( Sec-Treas.) and
Earl Smith (VP) the Toronto Org mortgaged itself twice.
Once for $2,821,175.19 at *NO INTEREST* on Oct 18, 1991
This was in US funds.
And again for $3,147,453.78 @ 9% pa on Dec. 24, 1991.
This is, in Canadian funds well over $6 million
Both loans and any interest and exchange are payable
in 20 installments ending in 2011.
This years payment of $ 141,058.76 US is, in Canadian
currency, actually $183,376.39 ( approx)
plus the other: $349,782.00
for a total of: $533,158.39 Canadian.
I wish them luck in making it.
The Chargee ( mortgage holders agent ) is Brian Ernest Iler
of Iler and Campbell of Toronto.
The Court apparently intimated that the actual holder was CSC,
who owes Larry about 5 million now.
Sources: Province of Ontario Land Registration Act
Public Docs.: TB804928, TB804927
Best,
Gregg SP4
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Scott Goehring
"Gregg" == Gregg Hagglund <elr...@cgo.wave.ca> writes:
Gregg> Under the signatures of Yvette Shank ( Sec-Treas.) and Earl
Gregg> Smith (VP) the Toronto Org mortgaged itself twice.
How is this legal? The same property cannot be collateral to two
loans simultaneously, unless both lenders agree to it.
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Gregg Hagglund
In article <m2k9hff...@poverty.bloomington.in.us>, Scott Goehring
<sc...@poverty.bloomington.in.us> wrote:
>"Gregg" == Gregg Hagglund <elr...@cgo.wave.ca> writes:
>
>Gregg> Under the signatures of Yvette Shank ( Sec-Treas.) and Earl
>Gregg> Smith (VP) the Toronto Org mortgaged itself twice.
>
>How is this legal? The same property cannot be collateral to two
>loans simultaneously, unless both lenders agree to it.
>
Ist mortgages, 2nd mortgages, 3rd mortgages, 4th mortgages,
even fifth mortgages etc are legal. The date of encumberance of the
property establishes creditor preference in case of failure, and of course
the sum total of mortgages may not exceed 95% of a properties value
at the time of any new mortgage or encumberance being enjoined.
In the case of the Toronto Org. by the fall of 1992 they were
over $500,000 in further debt to the City Of Toronto for property
tax arrears and were force to sign an "Undertaking" whereby
they agreed not to further encumber the Toronto Org property until
Casey Hill was paid. This las was signed by Earl Smith as VP and
Jean Sepic as Secretary on December 15, 1992.
Source: Ontario Court of Justice ( general division) Court File
No. 24079/84.