Ocha'ni Lele a Fraud
AJ
have
discuss this over and over there as soon as a fact comes nobody knows what
to
do soe they remove it. so here it is for the people who want to know.
I don't understand why my post which contain facts about who ochanilele is
and
how he wrote his book was remove when
there is a whole series about it below. when people owndered about him and
posted all kinds of guesses about whether he was
a fake it was OK but when the real story posts then it gets taken down. This
doesnt seem fair one bit.
the facts are the facts: Ochani Lele is Stuart Myers, who is the ex-lover of
Clay Keck, who the internet knows as Afolabi. he
stole all his information from Afolabi's files and notebooks when they broke
up and used it to write abook. You guys who are
calling him a shining star are praiseing stolen work of afolabi. If you read
his book it sounds just like afolabi and there is no way
a iyawo could know these things, even if he is an iyawo which is in doubt
because everybody asks and Ochani Lele only
answers those who praise his stolen work.
So again congraduations to Ochanilele for thieving the work of other people
and posting like a noble man.
AJ
O post then a follow up
For thiis to be take down is a crime because the religion needs to know who
is
trying to fool it and especially when it envuolves
the deception and stolen work of another priests hard work.
This is not a "flame war. This is facts that anybody can find out. It is
importnat for the religious people to know who is teaching
them and how true there claims.
REmoving this post is hiding a person who steals and then lies about it in
our
religion and then comes here to be noble and
humble and be called Ferminita the shining star. Why would you want to help
help that kind of person???
AJ
Hawk Shango
And just what proof do you have other than your "misspent" thoughts and
anger that Ochani Lele is, as you so delightfully put it, "thieving the
work"?
I think you have an axe to grind because you have no life outside of the
very restrictive box and are jealous of successful people. Why not be
constructive, rather than destructive, in your posting? My guess as to why
your posting was removed, is the same reason as why here you are being
ignored.
Rather than harping on the person's personality or shortcomings, you could
be concentrating on your own spiritual evolution. You could become wiser
and more spiritually advanced and able to deal with your own jealousy and
insecurities.
Tsk, tsk.... poor AJ.... No life and all hollow within.... Get a grip and go
and grab a good book. And while you are at it, get out of the religion. It's
clear that this religion is not for you, since you are ill equipped for
walking the walk, talking the talk and learning to listen.
Best wishes for success in whatever path in life you may choose.
Hawk Shango
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E. C. Ballard
reputation, why don't you have the guts to come out and give your real
name, eh? You know, anonymous posts are not worth the bandspace they
take up.
Eoghan
OmiJuba
wonder why he never defends himself against these accusations, he's had more
then enough opportunity to atleast say something in his defense. I have
heard him questioned on many other lists and he just ignores them, he may
not be guilty, but by him not saying anything one way or another doesn't
help either.
And yes, when you become "public" like he has, then people have every right
to question you and want to know what's up. ANYBODY can write a book and get
it published, it doesn't take a genius to do that.
I don't know him that well, so I don't know what the deal is, but I have his
book and I like it very much. I even have a copy of his upcoming book on Obi
reserved at Amazon and I'm anxiously waiting for that to come out.
Regardless where he got the info from, I'm just glad that I got it too...
-ÓmėJubā
AJ
>
so you don't care what kind of theif a person is or whose work is wasted and
stolen just so long as you get the info????
catherine yronwode
>
> Ochani Lele is Stuart Myers, who is the ex-lover of
> Clay Keck, who the internet knows as Afolabi. he
> stole all his information from Afolabi's files and notebooks
> when they broke up and used it to write a book.
> This is not a "flame war. This is facts that anybody can find out. It
> is importnat for the religious people to know who is teaching
> them and how true there claims.
AJ, the charges of literary plagiarism you are making are serious. If we
heard these charges made by Afolabi (Clay Keck) himself, then we would
certainly consider them most gravely. Even if these charges were never
brought up by Keck but rather by you as a third party they might be
considered, but only if you tell us YOUR name and let us know how you
came to know these matters and these people. We cannot take anonymous
"gossip" posts as truth, you see.
cat yronwode
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice -- http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html
OmiJuba
care where he got it from, I'm not too concerned with that, just as long as
I got it and I can use it for my own growth. If he did indeed steal that
wisdom, that that's on him and he'll have to deal with it. I'm just taking
it for what it is.
I am very curious though, who told you that he stole it from Afolabi? Doe it
come from a reliable source?
-ÓmėJubā
E. C. Ballard
produce solid evidence. Even if something was forthcoming, if it wasn't
copyrighted material, he can't be prosecuted. I doubt he would have copied
it verbatum and he is a well published writer. I just don't see this
having a great deal of substance or at least much chance of standing up to
scrutiny.
Eoghan
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E. C. Ballard
Debajo del Laurel yo tengo mi confianza
Baba l'Orisha Afolabi
If you check my post entitled "on Osha'ni Lele and Afolabi" you will see
that I have already stated that these accusations are totally unfounded and
bizarre, and have no origin in reality.
Afolabi
E. C. Ballard
part of your name and so I didn't read it immediately. Sorry about the
confusion.