George W Bush, a closer look, a scary picture - OT
John Manning
A second Bush term? Simply unfathomable
October 25, 2003
By D.G. Bowman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/10/25_bush.html
Above the empty vapor that is President
Bush swirls the incredulity of those
rational Americans who simply cannot fathom
how anybody aside from war profiteers,
religious fanatics, corporate vultures and
environmental predators could possibly vote
for the re-election of such a dangerously
unsuitable man.
How could such a thing happen? How could
this incurious fraud get another four years
(unless it's behind bars)? It defies the
norms of civility and reasonableness. It
beggars the imagination. Yet the
possibility hovers above us, terrifyingly
so. Does the deadly (not to mention immoral
and illegal) occupation of Iraq mean
nothing? Does the looting of the Treasury
send no signal? Does the breathtaking
assault on our air and water and natural
spaces fail to resonate? There's plenty to
be alarmed about, and there's plenty of
ammunition, but not enough bells are jangling.
And what about the pretender himself?
Vindictive, pampered, childish, petty,
semi-literate -- surely not the sort of man
who should be leading the world's lone
superpower. Yet there he sits, a poster boy
for nepotism, smirking and strutting and
playing Napoleon, despoiling the office
that rightly belongs to the honorable Al
Gore. Do we not want someone in the Oval
Office who is engaged in the drama around
him, who appreciates history and culture
and nuance, who doesn't feel the need to
play dress-up on a flight deck or burnish a
faux cowboy image at a stage-managed Texas
"ranch"? Have our presidential standards
really sunk this low?
We wonder, slack-jawed, at what is wrong
with that other half of the populace. Are
they too much in the grip of Wal-Mart and
NASCAR and "Joe Millionaire" to appreciate
what's happening right under their noses?
Has the oft-lamented "dumbing down" of
America really hit bottom? At the other
pole, has the Darwinian detachment of our
haughty rich really become that entrenched?
Do they really want society's safety net
shredded for good? No wonder Europe shakes
its collective head.
We have numbers. We have facts. We know
that more than half the nation voted for
the other candidate in 2000, and we know
that theft occurred. The laundry list of
Bush's offenses is plain to see, and it
continues to grow -- as does the body count
from Iraq. Yet an alarming number of our
fellow citizens still cling to the
fantastic notion that he is an exemplar of
"Christian" kindness, honesty and decency,
when in truth he is nothing of the sort. He
is among the greatest charlatans in
American political history -- perhaps the
greatest. The fact he's abetted by a
fawning press corps makes his guy-next-door
facade all the more infuriating, not to
mention nauseating.
The cognitive disconnect surrounding George
Dubya straddles all segments of society,
from blue-collar Joe Sixpack to Mr. and
Mrs. Struggling Middle Class to (not
surprising, considering how Junior's
economic policies benefit them alone) Mr.
and Mrs. Gilded Fat Cat. The atmosphere in
Bush's America is Orwellian to the extreme;
it's as if we're living in a mirrored
universe, where war is peace, desecration
is conservation and bankruptcy is
prosperity. It's as if Pod People have
sprung up among us, people with bared
fangs, people with no empathy for their
fellow beings, people egged on by raging,
venomous GOP hypocrites such as Ann
Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage.
Sadly, they include our friends and
relatives, people who should know better.
What do they want? Why do they support this
destructive little man? Money? Religion?
Tax cuts and Armageddon? Don't rich folks
also need clean air and water?
One can blame the cheerleading corporate
media, of course -- the sad truth is the
Fourth Estate has indeed gone from
tenacious watchdog to obsequious lapdog --
but I suspect it goes deeper than that. Any
reasonably intelligent American can get the
truth about Junior's right-wing radicalism
simply by reading or listening to
alternative news sources. When presented
with the facts, though, Bush's True
Believers do what the administration's
neo-cons did when presented with
intelligence that didn't square with their
Iraq invasion plans: They blame the
messenger. They get surly and defensive.
With their binary mind-set and rigid
"moral" codes, they neatly parcel things
into "us" vs. "them." "Good" vs. "evil."
"Patriot" vs. "traitor." It's myopic and
messianic, and it defies all logic and
common sense.
One might take solace in the possibility
that those who voted for Junior three years
ago thinking he was a moderate "uniter" now
see through his extremism, and will opt for
ABB (anybody but Bush) the next time
around. Such a turnaround will have to be
substantial, however, because of the very
real threat of GOP-engineered vote fraud --
just one more thing to worry about in the
Age of Dubya and Co.
This is a tired topic, of course, but we're
a tired nation, groaning under the yoke of
the Bush juggernaut. Much of what I've said
here has been vented elsewhere, but I think
it bears repeating. Get up on your rooftop
and start shouting. Keep sending articles
to that stubborn co-worker. Keep on talking
to that hoodwinked friend or sibling.
Unless we convince our fellow Americans --
the ones who aren't at the coddled top of
the economic ladder, and the ones who don't
let blind religiosity cloud their thinking
-- that this bumbling patrician in cowpoke
clothing is dangerous not only to them but
to their grandchildren's future, then we
truly are finished as the world's oldest
representative democracy.
We've been warned, and amply so. As the
saying goes, we'll get what we deserve.
D.G. Bowman, a former longtime editor at
The Seattle Times, is a writer and editor
in Waikoloa, Hawaii. He detailed his
gradual and empowering transformation from
Republican to Democrat in the October 2001
issue of The Washington Monthly. Abraham
Lincoln - "who would probably sue the
current GOP for the slanderous use of his
name" - remains his favorite American
president. He can be reached at
for....@verizon.net.
Confusious
Another kook who has no understanding of the electoral college.
Where do you find these idiots?
You would do better to post Tom & Jerry cartoons
John Manning
Confused wrote:
> John Manning wrote:
>
> Another kook who has no understanding of the electoral college.
Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000
votes which was later verified by the
Associated Press who reviewed the final
official figures:
http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/122200/gen_1222007544.shtml
The vote manipulation and fraud in Florida
is documented. BBC News in the UK reported
it extensively :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm
as have other investigators, including CBS
News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/01/11/politics/main263337.shtml
The US Supreme Court basically appointed
little George instead of dealing directly
with the voter fraud in Florida.
>
> Where do you find these idiots?
Hey, I'm addressing one right now. Are you
confucioused about that?
>
> You would do better to post Tom & Jerry cartoons
That's apparently more appropriate for your
level of understanding.
Nathan Packer
wrote:
>John Manning wrote:
>
>Another kook who has no understanding of the electoral college.
You really didn't get the gist of the piece, did you?
>
>Where do you find these idiots?
As I read your response, I was thinking the same thing.
Confusious
> Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes which was later verified
> by the Associated Press who reviewed the final official figures:
popular vote means nothing.
John Manning
confused wrote:
Vote manipulation and fraud does however.
Confusious
> Vote manipulation and fraud does however.
>
Of course. The democraps are masters at that, ref the Daleys from
Chicago. Thus when the vote doesn't go their way they cry fraud because
that's what they would have done given the opportunity
For every credible reference that tries to prove your point I'm sure
there's at least one that disproves it. Tom Tomoorow and the democraps
underground don't count.
Clovis Lark
If my candidate wins next time without a popular mandate will you type the
same words?
Clovis Lark
Confusious
> If my candidate wins next time without a popular mandate will you type the
> same words?
Assuming the same electoral college system is in place then, yes.
John Manning
confused wrote:
> John Manning wrote:
>
>> Vote manipulation and fraud does however.
>>
>
> Of course. The democraps are masters at that, ref the Daleys from
> Chicago. Thus when the vote doesn't go their way they cry fraud because
> that's what they would have done given the opportunity
Heh, heh... "That's what they would have
done", doesn't compare to what the
Republican political machine actually DID
DO in Florida.
>
> For every credible reference that tries to prove your point I'm sure
> there's at least one that disproves it.
Ha Ha. Truth is truth. It isn't 'right' or
'left'.
Tom Tomoorow and the democraps
> underground don't count.
Oh, I see. People who don't hold your views
"don't count" in America. Should they be
prevented from voting too? Why are you so
hostile?
As far as I'm concerned, you're absolutely
entitled to your point of view. But your
suggestion that others "don't count" is
actually un-American, eh?
John Manning
Clovis Lark wrote:
> Where's Dave?
Heh, heh...
Top Ten Things Going Through Laura Bush's
Mind At This Moment (getting kissed on the
hand by French President Jacques Chirac)
10. "This guy's as drunk as my husband"
9. "Enjoying the view there, buddy?"
8. "What the hell are we paying those
Secret Service guys for?"
7. "Maybe I'll leak him the names of a few
CIA agents"
6. "Good thing George never reads the
newspaper"
5. "He just called me 'Mrs. Schwarzenegger'"
4. "Dang, mama's in love!"
3. "Hey -- where's my wedding ring?"
2. "This is more embarrassing than when my
husband dropped the dog"
1. "He wants to show me his Eiffel Tower"
Clovis Lark
Kool, I'll be looking for those...
Confusious
> Heh, heh... "That's what they would have done", doesn't compare to what
> the Republican political machine actually DID DO in Florida.
Look up Richard Daley. That's not what they would have done, that's what
they did.
> Ha Ha. Truth is truth. It isn't 'right' or 'left'.
That's correct as far as it goes. But then there's biased reporting that
tries to twist the facts and obfuscate the truth. All it takes is
looking for certain key words in your posting to see the bias.
> Oh, I see. People who don't hold your views "don't count" in America.
> Should they be prevented from voting too? Why are you so hostile?
Their attittudes don't count. Obviously biased articles get trashed,
just as they deserve.
GoddessXena
>> Where do you find these idiots?
>
>
> Hey, I'm addressing one right now. Are you confucioused about that?
lol!
>> You would do better to post Tom & Jerry cartoons
>
>
> That's apparently more appropriate for your level of understanding.
Nice!
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we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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GoddessXena
How can anyone take someone who calls democracy "republicans and
democraps" seriously?
This guy is a buffoon.
--
A zealot's stones will break my bones, but gods will never hurt me.
John Manning
Now certain American *attitudes* don't
count? Are you on drugs?
Of course creepy guys like you who prefer
cartoons, get to decide what's biased and
what isn't, for everyone else, eh? That's
your definition of democracy? I think that
Thomas Jefferson would have a laugh here.
(Do you know what a 'brown shirt' is? -
second try.)
Are you a fascist? Ha Ha.
John Manning
GoddessXena wrote:
> Confusious wrote:
>
>> John Manning wrote:
>>
>>> Vote manipulation and fraud does however.
>>>
>>
>> Of course. The democraps are masters at that, ref the Daleys from
>> Chicago. Thus when the vote doesn't go their way they cry fraud
>> because that's what they would have done given the opportunity
>>
>> For every credible reference that tries to prove your point I'm sure
>> there's at least one that disproves it. Tom Tomoorow and the democraps
>> underground don't count.
>>
>
> How can anyone take someone who calls democracy "republicans and
> democraps" seriously?
>
> This guy is a buffoon.
Beyond my laughter, I think he is doing a
service by revealing his utter pathetic
ignorance and representing the Bush 'shit
is shinola' mentality.
John
Confusious
>
>
> confused wrote:
>
>> John Manning wrote:
> Now certain American *attitudes* don't count? Are you on drugs?
No, but I discard articles with an obvious bias.
> (Do you know what a 'brown shirt' is? - second try.)
Yeah I know what a brown shirt is. Why do you ask? Is that one of your
fetishes?
Confusious
> Beyond my laughter, I think he is doing a service by revealing his utter
> pathetic ignorance and representing the Bush 'shit is shinola' mentality.
>
> John
John Manning
Confusious wrote:
I really doubt that you have a clue. Here's
a hint: Nazi Germany
John Manning
confused wrote:
Like a little kid who has to have 'his'
way. Heh, heh...
Intellectual integrity has to follow
emotional maturity. I this case neither is
evident.
David
>>>Vote manipulation and fraud does however.<<<
In the 2000 Election, I was a precinct Supervisor in California...guess
where the votor fraud happened and guess who perpetrated it??
THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY
I won't bore you with the details because you wouldn't beleive it anyways
David
like it or not.
GoddessXena
> Get over it ladies...he will be the elected president in 2004 whether you
> like it or not.
Did god tell you that, or some seer stones?
--
Which Is Worse? Screwing An Intern Or Screwing A Country?
John Lemings
> Which Is Worse? Screwing An Intern Or Screwing A Country?
I believe the greater issue was not so much marital infedility on the part
of former President Bill Clinton, but rather the felonious act of perjury
committed by the former chief-of-state.
Clovis Lark
> Get over it ladies...he will be the elected president in 2004 whether you
> like it or not.
Is this to be taken with the same weight as your "canada" comments?
Confusious
>
> I really doubt that you have a clue. Here's a hint: Nazi Germany
>
Like I said, I knew what a brown shirt was. You must have a fetish about
them.
Confusious
> Like a little kid who has to have 'his' way. Heh, heh...
It's called trolling the troll. In case you are too stupid to realize
it, none of your postings have anything to do with the LDS church. Even
if they are marked OT.
Mike W
> > Confused wrote:
> > Another kook who has no understanding of the electoral college.
> Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000
> votes which was later verified by the
> Associated Press who reviewed the final
> official figures:
> http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/122200/gen_1222007544.shtml
>
> The vote manipulation and fraud in Florida
> is documented. BBC News in the UK reported
> it extensively :
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm
>
> as have other investigators, including CBS
> News:
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/01/11/politics/main263337.shtml
>
>
>
> The US Supreme Court basically appointed
> little George instead of dealing directly
> with the voter fraud in Florida.
All may not be lost, they were working fast trying to save the nation from a
leaderless situation. Better luck next time.
Mike
Nathan Packer
>
>>>>Vote manipulation and fraud does however.<<<
>
>In the 2000 Election, I was a precinct Supervisor in California...guess
>where the votor fraud happened and guess who perpetrated it??
You were a precinct supervisor. Ok, my guess is that the fraud happen
right under your nose in your precinct. I can't guess who was the
offensive party, but I am sure it will be a group that you oppose.
>
>THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY
>
>I won't bore you with the details because you wouldn't beleive it anyways
In other words, you have zip for details and, if you did supply some
of your pap, we would simply point out how wrong you are. With you, we
don't have to go very far to find inaccuracies when you do say
something.
>
>
>
David
right under your nose in your precinct. I can't guess who was the
offensive party, but I am sure it will be a group that you oppose.<<<
It was:
>
>THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY
>>>In other words, you have zip for details and, if you did supply some
of your pap, we would simply point out how wrong you are. With you, we
don't have to go very far to find inaccuracies when you do say
something.<<<
Amazing...I am the only guy her man enough to admit I made a mistake...too
bad the rest of you aren't...
Ok..the details.
The precinct I was the supervisor for was in a north Stockton (California)
neighborhood, this is an area of 150,000 homes, all residential, and ZERO
homeless. A white Commuter type van (seats 15 people) pulled up to the
polling place and the driver, the front seat passenger gets out, opens the
door and offloads 13 Homeless people, they walk in..none of the homeless
people talk to me..just the driver and the passenger, I was instructed that
these people lived in my precinct and they were to be allowed to vote a
provisional ballot. (See contrary to the hype that you have to register a
few weeks minimum to be eligible to vote is crap, you can walk into any
polling place, show your ID and register and vote on the spot.)
These provisional ballots are done in white with pink border, they are
identical to the other ballots currently used in San Joaquin County.
NONE of these people had ID's, I told their escorts that I needed to call in
and get instructions. I reached my immediate Supervisor, one Sharon Simas
(Democrat), Her husband is Ed Simas. He was a San Joaquin County Supervisor
(Democrat) until during his re-election campaign he was caught on camera and
Video vandalizing his republican opponents campaign signs...but I
digress....Sharon instructed me to ignore the rules, sign these people up
and let them vote.
When the polls close at 8pm, the procedure is to lock the doors to the
polling place, you then open the ballot box and separate the ballots by
color (IE one color per political party), Provisional ballots are supposed
to be set aside and handled differently....I was instructed by Sharon Simas
to lump them in with the Democratic ballots.
Later in comparing notes with 3 other polling supervisors, this same van
apparently made stops at several polling places.
So whether you believe it or not....I do have first hand view of 2000
Election year voter fraud perpetrated by the California Democratic Party...I
can't wait to see what they do for 2004.
On a lighter note...my cousin's wife's name is Paula Jones (Paula Booth now
that she is married) but in October 2000, She received a thank you card sent
out by the California Democratic Party, this card has this neat paragraph
thanking her for all her years of service to the Democratic party...what was
so funny? it was digitally signed by Bill Clinton...yep my cousin Paula
Jones got a thank you card from Bill Clinton....love or hate the man...that
IS funny.
John Manning
David wrote:
And you didn't report it? You did nothing?
just wondering
>
>
> confused wrote:
>
>> John Manning wrote:
>>
>>> verified by the Associated Press who reviewed the final official
>>> figures:
>>
>>
>> popular vote means nothing.
>
>
> Vote manipulation and fraud does however.
>
fraud .
Nathan Packer
And you let them vote without an ID? Wasn't that against the rules?
What exactly is a precinct captain doing there if not to make
absolutely sure the rules are followed.
>
>When the polls close at 8pm, the procedure is to lock the doors to the
>polling place, you then open the ballot box and separate the ballots by
>color (IE one color per political party), Provisional ballots are supposed
>to be set aside and handled differently....I was instructed by Sharon Simas
>to lump them in with the Democratic ballots.
So, you ignored the rules, again?
>
>Later in comparing notes with 3 other polling supervisors, this same van
>apparently made stops at several polling places.
>
>So whether you believe it or not....I do have first hand view of 2000
>Election year voter fraud perpetrated by the California Democratic Party...I
>can't wait to see what they do for 2004.
If you ask me, you were as much a party to these shenanigans
GoddessXena
> On a lighter note...my cousin's wife's name is Paula Jones (Paula Booth now
> that she is married) but in October 2000, She received a thank you card sent
> out by the California Democratic Party, this card has this neat paragraph
> thanking her for all her years of service to the Democratic party...what was
> so funny? it was digitally signed by Bill Clinton...yep my cousin Paula
> Jones got a thank you card from Bill Clinton....love or hate the man...that
> IS funny.
I got the same card.
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Clovis Lark
> David wrote:
>> On a lighter note...my cousin's wife's name is Paula Jones (Paula Booth now
>> that she is married) but in October 2000, She received a thank you card sent
>> out by the California Democratic Party, this card has this neat paragraph
>> thanking her for all her years of service to the Democratic party...what was
>> so funny? it was digitally signed by Bill Clinton...yep my cousin Paula
>> Jones got a thank you card from Bill Clinton....love or hate the man...that
>> IS funny.
> I got the same card.
I feel left out. I got nothing...
Clovis Lark
> Uh no....I told you I reported it to my precinct Supervisor. It was ignored
Why didn't you report the illegal activity to the cops and the DA? Sounds
like what you are describing could have blown the top off the entire CA
election process..