Startling Evidence That Noah's Flood Happened - Oard - YT - 1 Hr.

[curtjester1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related

CJ

[sully]

On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>

thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.

Where did the water go?

Was the global flood salt water or fresh water? If salt, what
happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?

What about plants? how did they survive?

How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?

There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE, why?

Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE, how did a global flood
skip China?

[Andrew Robertson]

On 6/06/2012 11:19 a.m., sully wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related

<snip>

> How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?

This way!

http://www.kangaroo-protection-coalition.com/kangaroo-swim.html


Andrew

[Peter Schilte]

On 5 jun, 23:09, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>

> CJ

Where did the population of Africa come from? Did they evolve from
Noah's sons in only a few thousand years?
Where did the population of Australia and New Zealand come from? Did
they also evolve from Noah's sons in only a few thousand years?
The Native Americans, where did they come from? Did they also evolve
from Noah's sons in only a few thousand years?
How did they get there?
And why did all these peoples survive the flood, as there is no
evidence they didn't?
Why didn't the flood wash away the wall paintings in caves like
Chauvet (France, 33,000 BCE), or Lacaux (France, 15,000 BCE), or many
others in Spain, Australia or Africa?


Sir Peter

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

sully wrote:

> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> Where did the water go?

Oh Black Water, Keep on Rollen, Mississippi Moon won't'cha keep on
Shining on me!

[•R.Measures]

In article
<d048e303-bc6f-4317...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> CJ

АА The Jews plagiarized the story of the Great Flood from "pagan"
religions in the area.

[Steve O]

On 05/06/2012 22:09, curtjester1 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> CJ

Neither startling nor evidence

[•R.Measures]

In article <a3a1o4...@mid.individual.net>, Steve O <nos...@here.thanks>
wrote:

• With enough faith, evidence doesn't count.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

"紐.Measures" wrote:

> In article
> <d048e303-bc6f-4317...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Court,
Jester is a lil Moldy!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

What "Pat Robertson", and Albie, "COUNT ON"!

[curtjester1]

On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> Where did the water go?
>
> Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>

Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
it would surely mix with the waters below. And I am sure the torrid
runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....

> What about plants?   how did they survive?
>

Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?

> How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>

I think someone gave a link to that.

> There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>


> Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> skip China?

There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
in their cultures. I would check your dating methodologies. They're
quite debated upon.

CJ

[curtjester1]

Why?

CJ

[curtjester1]

On Jun 6, 7:25 am, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> In article
> <d048e303-bc6f-4317-8f2d-445d9c4d9...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

>
> curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>

> > CJ
>
>  €€  The Jews plagiarized the story of the Great Flood from "pagan"
> religions in the area.

Gilgamesh is thought to have been taken from the Noah account. I
would read Charles Martin's, Flood Legends.

CJ

[curtjester1]

On Jun 6, 12:18 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

That was covered in the video.

CJ

[sully]

On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > Where did the water go?

Thanks for responding cj. You didn't answer this question. For
the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
etc). Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.

But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?

Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies, Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.

Where did it go?

>
> > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....

So a mix of salt and fresh water. Basically you've killed off most
of the fish.

>
> > What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?

Some seeds could survive drowning, but many seed species would not.
Some species propagate by bulb which wouldn't survive. But now
you've got a saline land mass from all the salt water sitting on it.

>
> > How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> I think someone gave a link to that.

Yes, they can swim. How good a swimmer is a Koala? Say a life span
of a Kangaroo is about 25 years. How many years would it take for
a Kangaroo to swim and hop from Aussieland to Israel, then from Turkey
back to Aussieland?

Same for a Koala?

>
> > There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> > Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> > skip China?
>
> There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
> in their cultures.  I would check your dating methodologies.  They're
> quite debated upon.

The point is that Chinese civilization has existed continuously and
documented as such through the flood time period. Why would the
Chinese have a flood myth that is in their history, and exactly the
same cultural history that precedes that flood if that flood
completely eliminated all of the Chinese?

thanks again.

[Honest Abe]

If the Noah myth is really true, I'm ready to believe the Tooth Fairy will
pay all my future dental bills.
Or should Santa Claus be doing that?

[John Manning]

On 6/5/2012 6:09 PM, curtjester1 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> CJ

What a load of horse shit.

[Andrew Robertson]

On 8/06/2012 2:48 a.m., curtjester1 wrote:

>> How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>>
> I think someone gave a link to that.

Once upon a time, around 184 million years ago, East Gondwana,
comprising Antarctica, Madagascar, India, Australia and New Zealand
began to separate from Africa and drifted slowly south taking the
kangaroos with it.

The earth is approximately four and a half thousand million years old,
and to treat the Bible as in anyway an accurate record of our planet's
past would not seem sensible considering that it was not written by
geologists.

That there are those who eschew the remarkable analytic and deductive
powers of their own brains and choose to live in a world of superstition
and myth would be a worthy study for evolutionary biologists.


Andrew

[•R.Measures]

In article <-aKdnS22HpjcyE3S...@posted.gcicommunications>,

"Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

• Indeed. The salvation business is the slickest scam ever invented by man.

[•R.Measures]

In article
<a294a539-dc3f-4739...@w24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 6, 7:25=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95R.Measures) wrote:
> > In article
> > <d048e303-bc6f-4317-8f2d-445d9c4d9...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKGeULHljDn8&feature=3Drelated
> >
> > > CJ
> >
> > =A0=80=80 =A0The Jews plagiarized the story of the Great Flood from "paga=

> n"
> > religions in the area.
>
> Gilgamesh is thought to have been taken from the Noah account. I
> would read Charles Martin's, Flood Legends.
>
> CJ

*** Legends is the right word. There is no geological evidence of a
worldwide flood.

[•R.Measures]

In article <-qmdndH_HamRaE3S...@giganews.com>, John Manning

** it Was startling John.

[root]

Hehehe, well said.

IIRC the 'Flood' is a folk memory of the flooding of the Black Sea many
millenia beforehand - similar to the folk tales of towns and lands
swamped by the sea around the coast of Britain - which are probably folk
memories of the rising waters after the last ice age.

Peoples of the time did not understand geology and global climate - so
attributed these events to the supernatural.

golwg

Matthew

[•R.Measures]

In article <jqrp8r$i3$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Robertson

• guffaw. Good one Andrew.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

curtjester1 wrote:

> On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > Where did the water go?
> >
> > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water? If salt, what
> > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?

Fresh, as for the Salt Water, Whales, Fish and other Sea Creatures, piss in
the water Daily, and Man, flushes Mucho Galore down the Tubes!

>
> >

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Yours, maybe!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Mayan, are equally s good!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

sully wrote:

> On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > Where did the water go?
>
> Thanks for responding cj. You didn't answer this question. For
> the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> etc). Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
>
> But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?

"Day they Broke the World"!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Honest Abe wrote:

> If the Noah myth is really true, I'm ready to believe the Tooth Fairy will
> pay all my future dental bills.

Not even if you have a GREAT Lawyer!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Like the KJV??

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Andrew Robertson wrote:

> On 8/06/2012 2:48 a.m., curtjester1 wrote:
>
> >> How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?

"God, made the Creatures of the Field", before Man!
Making Man, "GOD" said go fuck yourself, and Left!
Returning to see how things were going GOD, found All but MAN, had
Procreated, so God Separated Man from Woman.
Worst Mistake Ever Made!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Yep, you want Eternal Life Here?
Or consider the Idea that "There is a Door", right over there, and personally I
intend to go through it, alive or dead

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Ice Age Sea Breeches Did Happen!
There is Evidence of "World Wide Flooding, from such!
Great Lakes, Mediterranean, the Texas Plains, are Ancient River Beds!
Salt Lake, is an Ancient Seaway. . . . . . . . . .

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Sorta Kinda!
Thing is all the "Legends", talk about the Same Thing!
So who is the FOOL, the person who say's do what?
Or the Guy telling him to Shut Up, his Idea's don't fit between the Lines of
the Doxi!

[•R.Measures]

In article <Ccydnaqkoqrzk07S...@posted.gcicommunications>,

"Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

• Continents rise, fall and slide but the Himalayas were never submerged
by a high tide.

[curtjester1]

There's a lot written on uniformitarianism and the million year this
and that theories. I did post some of John Morris' The Young Earth in
a previous thread. Don't have time to retrieve. This might do.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/earthage.html

CJ

[curtjester1]

On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > > Where did the water go?
>
> Thanks for responding cj.    You didn't answer this question.   For
> the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> etc).   Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
>

I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
high because of the water and other factors. Biblicists cite Psalms
104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.

> But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
>
> Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies,  Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
>
> Where did it go?
>
>

Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
beds, new rain cycles. etc.

>
> > > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> > Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> > it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> > runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....
>
> So a mix of salt and fresh water.   Basically you've killed off most
> of the fish.
>
>

No problem there. Lots of fish fossils to prove the flood if you pick
up a good Flood book.

>
> > > What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> > Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?
>
> Some seeds could survive drowning, but many seed species would not.
> Some species propagate by bulb which wouldn't survive.    But now
> you've got a saline land mass from all the salt water sitting on it.
>
>

You could have seeds coming off the boat. You could have seeds on
debris. You could have seeds buried and sprouting.

>
> > > How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> > I think someone gave a link to that.
>
> Yes, they can swim.   How good a swimmer is a Koala?   Say a life span
> of a Kangaroo is about  25 years.    How many years would it take for
> a Kangaroo to swim and hop from Aussieland to Israel, then from Turkey
> back to Aussieland?
>
> Same for a Koala?
>
>

Australia could have been formed by the flood, or people just could
have boated them over.

>
> > > There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> > > Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> > > skip China?
>
> > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
> > in their cultures.  I would check your dating methodologies.  They're
> > quite debated upon.
>
> The point is that Chinese civilization has existed continuously and
> documented as such through the flood time period.   Why would the
> Chinese have a flood myth that is in their history, and exactly the
> same cultural history that precedes that flood if that flood
> completely eliminated all of the Chinese?
>
> thanks again.

Because their civilization didn't start until after the Flood. Why
would they have a prevalent flood myth dated agreeably before the
flood account of the Bible account in 1500 BC when it was written?

CJ

[Peter Schilte]

On 9 jun, 19:43, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > > > Where did the water go?
>
> > Thanks for responding cj.    You didn't answer this question.   For
> > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > etc).   Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
>
> I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> high because of the water and other factors.  Biblicists cite Psalms
> 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
>

What "other factors"? So far you make statements that are in no way
supported by science, evidence or geology. Mountains became high
because of tectonic movements that are going on for billions of years.
Not because of something that supposedly happened 3500 years ago.

> > But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
>
> > Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> > Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies,  Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> > etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> > exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
>
> > Where did it go?
>
> Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
> beds, new rain cycles. etc.
>

Really? Well, those "many" most certainly do not include geologists.
Mainly flat earthers like yourself, not bothered by any science,
support it.

>
>
> > > > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > > > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> > > Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> > > it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> > > runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....
>
> > So a mix of salt and fresh water.   Basically you've killed off most
> > of the fish.
>
> No problem there.  Lots of fish fossils to prove the flood if you pick
> up a good Flood book.
>

LOL! Most fossils, if not all, are dated millions of years before the
supposed flood.

> > > > What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> > > Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?
>
> > Some seeds could survive drowning, but many seed species would not.
> > Some species propagate by bulb which wouldn't survive.    But now
> > you've got a saline land mass from all the salt water sitting on it.
>
> You could have seeds coming off the boat.  You could have seeds on
> debris.  You could have seeds buried and sprouting.
>

You could also have no flood at all, which by the way is a much more
acceptable theory.

>
>
> > > > How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> > > I think someone gave a link to that.
>
> > Yes, they can swim.   How good a swimmer is a Koala?   Say a life span
> > of a Kangaroo is about  25 years.    How many years would it take for
> > a Kangaroo to swim and hop from Aussieland to Israel, then from Turkey
> > back to Aussieland?
>
> > Same for a Koala?
>
> Australia could have been formed by the flood, or people just could
> have boated them over.
>

Could have, could have: Is that all you have to support your religious
theories? What about some science? Or history? Either have an agenda
to defend.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> > > > Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> > > > skip China?
>
> > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
> > > in their cultures.  I would check your dating methodologies.  They're
> > > quite debated upon.
>
> > The point is that Chinese civilization has existed continuously and
> > documented as such through the flood time period.   Why would the
> > Chinese have a flood myth that is in their history, and exactly the
> > same cultural history that precedes that flood if that flood
> > completely eliminated all of the Chinese?
>
> > thanks again.
>
> Because their civilization didn't start until after the Flood.

If so, please explain how Chinese civilization started thousands of
years BEFORE the flood, which by your suggestions was only 3500 years
ago?

> Why
> would they have a prevalent flood myth dated agreeably before the
> flood account of the Bible account in 1500 BC when it was written?
>

You tell me. As you are the one claiming the flood supposedly was 3500
years ago.....

> CJ

Sir Peter

[•R.Measures]

In article
<d266f84d-6f6b-4bc9...@k5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, Peter

Schilte <peters...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9 jun, 19:43, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 7, 11:08=A0am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 7, 7:48=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jun 5, 5:19=A0pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:0=

> 9=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKGeULHljDn8&feature=3Drelated
> >

> > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > > Where did the water go?
> >

> > > Thanks for responding cj. =A0 =A0You didn't answer this question. =A0 F=

> or
> > > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,

> > > etc). =A0 Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephan=

> t
> > > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
> >
> > I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became

> > high because of the water and other factors. =A0Biblicists cite Psalms

> > 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
> >
>
> What "other factors"? So far you make statements that are in no way
> supported by science, evidence or geology. Mountains became high
> because of tectonic movements that are going on for billions of years.
> Not because of something that supposedly happened 3500 years ago.

> ... ... ...
• One "other factor" is denial of reality Peter S.

[curtjester1]

On Jun 9, 9:36 pm, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 jun, 19:43, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > > > > Where did the water go?
>
> > > Thanks for responding cj.    You didn't answer this question.   For
> > > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > > etc).   Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
>
> > I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> > high because of the water and other factors.  Biblicists cite Psalms
> > 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
>
> What "other factors"? So far you make statements that are in no way
> supported by science, evidence or geology. Mountains became high
> because of tectonic movements that are going on for billions of years.
> Not because of something that supposedly happened 3500 years ago.
>

All issues are presented in many of the global flood books on the
market, which take in account 'old science' thinking of their geology
theories supported by many arguments that counteract the old
thinkings. Tectonic movements alone didn't account for the mountain
risings as they have found many sea fossils atop of them.

> > > But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
>
> > > Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> > > Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies,  Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> > > etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> > > exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
>
> > > Where did it go?
>
> > Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
> > beds, new rain cycles. etc.
>
> Really? Well, those "many" most certainly do not include geologists.
> Mainly flat earthers like yourself, not bothered by any science,
> support it.
>
>

Well, many of your pals don't know where the water came from to begin
with, so make them account for that, eh? Most geologists make their
hay by going along with old age happenings. You should take issue
with them, the global floodists spell out their beliefs and attack
them one by one.

>
> > > > > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > > > > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> > > > Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> > > > it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> > > > runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....
>
> > > So a mix of salt and fresh water.   Basically you've killed off most
> > > of the fish.
>
> > No problem there.  Lots of fish fossils to prove the flood if you pick
> > up a good Flood book.
>
> LOL! Most fossils, if not all, are dated millions of years before the
> supposed flood.
>

That's why they study them. How they got there, and why some are
newer or fresher fossils vs. older ones. I think it's called
tephanology or something closely spelled to that.

> > > > > What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> > > > Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?
>
> > > Some seeds could survive drowning, but many seed species would not.
> > > Some species propagate by bulb which wouldn't survive.    But now
> > > you've got a saline land mass from all the salt water sitting on it.
>
> > You could have seeds coming off the boat.  You could have seeds on
> > debris.  You could have seeds buried and sprouting.
>
> You could also have no flood at all, which by the way is a much more
> acceptable theory.
>
>

You could also hide your head in the sand while there is a local flood
going on and say what you want.

>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> > > > I think someone gave a link to that.
>
> > > Yes, they can swim.   How good a swimmer is a Koala?   Say a life span
> > > of a Kangaroo is about  25 years.    How many years would it take for
> > > a Kangaroo to swim and hop from Aussieland to Israel, then from Turkey
> > > back to Aussieland?
>
> > > Same for a Koala?
>
> > Australia could have been formed by the flood, or people just could
> > have boated them over.
>
> Could have, could have: Is that all you have to support your religious
> theories? What about some science? Or history? Either have an agenda
> to defend.
>
>

I'm here to get some interest up, not babysit people or look stuff up
for them. Googling is quite inexpensive and so are the many books on
the market. You could actually watch the video and comment on some of
the observation/proofs if you would like, too.

>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> > > > > Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> > > > > skip China?
>
> > > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
> > > > in their cultures.  I would check your dating methodologies.  They're
> > > > quite debated upon.
>
> > > The point is that Chinese civilization has existed continuously and
> > > documented as such through the flood time period.   Why would the
> > > Chinese have a flood myth that is in their history, and exactly the
> > > same cultural history that precedes that flood if that flood
> > > completely eliminated all of the Chinese?
>
> > > thanks again.
>
> > Because their civilization didn't start until after the Flood.
>
> If so, please explain how Chinese civilization started thousands of
> years BEFORE the flood, which by your suggestions was only 3500 years
> ago?
>

It didn't. Having a flood story that can be attributed to no other
story or person is quite irrefutable.

> > Why
> > would they have a prevalent flood myth dated agreeably before the
> > flood account of the Bible account in 1500 BC when it was written?
>
> You tell me. As you are the one claiming the flood supposedly was 3500
> years ago.....
>

It's because Moses was inspired to write of things well before his
life, Creation, The GoE, Geneolgies of mankind and details about them,
as well as the Flood, and Tower of Babel where different languages
arose.

CJ

> > CJ
>
> Sir Peter

[curtjester1]

On Jun 10, 8:35 am, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> In article

> <d266f84d-6f6b-4bc9-9a19-20079144f...@k5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, Peter

Or the denial to know issues and read upon them?

CJ

[Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer]

In article <8cfd3b41-fee1-41b0...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 says...

>
>> > > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a
>> > > > very close name of Noah in their cultures.

That's a pretty vague claim that I would bet comes from
a religious apologist tract source. Amateurs like you who
dabble in history and science for religious-defense purposes
and repeat patent nonsense among your fellow-travellers
are responsible for a marked rise in general stupidity in
these areas.

[curtjester1]

On Jun 10, 11:28 am, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer <Lydig_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <8cfd3b41-fee1-41b0-9621-ff1b2c15d...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

There is no vague claim. The flood account with ship, passengers,
testing birds, some intricate some woven with their own versions are
in a huge amount of cultures. The retribution via judgment, animals,
and survivors are quite commonplace and I would recommend getting a
little grip on yourself, and actually reading up on the subject.
Also, there are many cultures with old age claims like length of years
accounts for Noah and his precedessors, and generations afterwards, as
well as huge people labelled as giants in the Bible are in culture
lore. I would recommend the Charles Martin book for getting a toehold
that you don't seem to have yet, and I don't adhere to any of their
religious believings.

CJ

[sully]

On Jun 9, 10:43 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > > > Where did the water go?
>
> > Thanks for responding cj.    You didn't answer this question.   For
> > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > etc).   Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
>
> I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> high because of the water and other factors.  Biblicists cite Psalms
> 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.

So curtis, you completely reject the science of
Geology?

>
> > But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
>
> > Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> > Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies,  Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> > etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> > exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
>
> > Where did it go?
>
> Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
> beds, new rain cycles. etc.

you are making that up. I don't think you are treating this topic
very honestly.

>
>
>
> > > > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > > > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> > > Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> > > it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> > > runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....
>
> > So a mix of salt and fresh water.   Basically you've killed off most
> > of the fish.
>
> No problem there.  Lots of fish fossils to prove the flood if you pick
> up a good Flood book.

You skipped my question entirely. The saline water of the flood
would have killed off all of the freshwater fish.

You don't believe in biology either.

>
> > > > What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> > > Why wouldn't the seed process continue on?
>
> > Some seeds could survive drowning, but many seed species would not.
> > Some species propagate by bulb which wouldn't survive.    But now
> > you've got a saline land mass from all the salt water sitting on it.
>
> You could have seeds coming off the boat.  You could have seeds on
> debris.  You could have seeds buried and sprouting.

You seem to reject botany as well. There is no mention of Noah
collecting seeds, saplings, cuttings, spores, or any of the complex
mechanisms for plant propogation. Most of that would have been
destroyed in the flood. Like I said,
there are only a few hundred of the millions of plant species that
would survive a year long drowning in salt water.

>
>
>
> > > > How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> > > I think someone gave a link to that.
>
> > Yes, they can swim.   How good a swimmer is a Koala?   Say a life span
> > of a Kangaroo is about  25 years.    How many years would it take for
> > a Kangaroo to swim and hop from Aussieland to Israel, then from Turkey
> > back to Aussieland?
>
> > Same for a Koala?
>
> Australia could have been formed by the flood, or people just could
> have boated them over.

What people? There were just 1/2 dozen people left on earth 3500
years ago according to you.

Did they boat snails and slugs from Turkey to the Americas? How long
did it take for snails to cover the whole continents of north and
south America?

Did they boat all the drowned orchids to the Amazon? Spiders?

Very very silly idea.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> > > > Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> > > > skip China?
>
> > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a very close name of Noah
> > > in their cultures.  I would check your dating methodologies.  They're
> > > quite debated upon.
>
> > The point is that Chinese civilization has existed continuously and
> > documented as such through the flood time period.   Why would the
> > Chinese have a flood myth that is in their history, and exactly the
> > same cultural history that precedes that flood if that flood
> > completely eliminated all of the Chinese?
>
> > thanks again.
>
> Because their civilization didn't start until after the Flood.  Why
> would they have a prevalent flood myth dated agreeably before the
> flood account of the Bible account in 1500 BC when it was written?

A continous cultural record of chinese
culture goes back BEFORE the flood.
This record would have been wiped out,
and there would be a record of how
chinese culture started from a couple
descendants who arrived in China some
time after 3500 BC.
There are copious other
records instead.

You reject history as well.

[sully]

You and Logan would get along great.

Are you just putting us on, or do you really
believe this?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
>
> > > > Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> > > > Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies,  Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> > > > etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> > > > exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
>
> > > > Where did it go?
>
> > > Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
> > > beds, new rain cycles. etc.
>
> > Really? Well, those "many" most certainly do not include geologists.
> > Mainly flat earthers like yourself, not bothered by any science,
> > support it.
>
> Well, many of your pals don't know where the water came from to begin
> with, so make them account for that, eh?  Most geologists make their
> hay by going along with old age happenings.  You should take issue
> with them, the global floodists spell out their beliefs and attack
> them one by one.

There was no global flood, so we don't have to account
for where the water came from.

That's your job.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> > > > > > happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> > > > > Not sure its relevant but assuming the waters from above were fresh,
> > > > > it would surely mix with the waters below.  And I am sure the torrid
> > > > > runoff would have created all sorts of situations.....
>
> > > > So a mix of salt and fresh water.   Basically you've killed off most
> > > > of the fish.
>
> > > No problem there.  Lots of fish fossils to prove the flood if you pick
> > > up a good Flood book.
>
> > LOL! Most fossils, if not all, are dated millions of years before the
> > supposed flood.
>
> That's why they study them.  How they got there, and why some are
> newer or fresher fossils vs. older ones.  I think it's called
> tephanology or something closely spelled to that.

Taphonomy. You can't possibly accept taphonomy without
first accepting geology. Taphonomy explains the chemical
processes for a biological organism becoming a fossil. This
describes processes that can happen over millions of years.

That pretty much eliminates all of your version
of the way the world works.

That video, nor any world-flood book or talk has any scientific
evidence at all.

Why couldn't he keep his creation stories straight? Why are there
two very different versions?

[Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer]

In article <e3b43c74-2b34-4e19...@e20g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Jun 10, 11:28=A0am, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer <Lydig_mem...@newsguy.com>

I guess that "Discovery of Genesis" by
Kang and Nelson and its bullshit "Chinese Noah"
claims are out of fashion now -- it was pretty hot stuff
there on the web and usenet until it got its ass handed
to it by people who actually know Chinese languages
and culture.

Throw it on the pile of "inspired Christian proofs"
that turned out to be not so inspired -- and bring on
the next one, eh?

I've read Martin's book, putz. It's a stroke book for
Biblical literalist zealots disguised as "serious scholarship"
that proves nothing whatsoever.

You actually think that there is something amazing that
most if not all cultures have come up with stories involving
floods when most if not all cultures have experienced floods
as important and traumatic events?

I would recommend that you ought to get a grip
-- on what critical thinking means.

[sully]

The Indian flood myth (India, not NA), goes back
thousands of years before Noah. Keep in
mind, there were a great many floods, still are,
the truth is that there are floods, big ones. The myth
is the story that makes it what it isn't, a worldwide,
universal flood that covers all land.

What's pretty funny, is that a lot of the rationalization
for world-wide floods in various cultured comes from
ancient peoples finding sea life fossils high in the
mountains. They had no clear idea how mountains
rose, continents moved, sea beds were buried and
thrust up over the geologic eons, so decided there
must have been water over everything.

Biblical literalists have to discard every single thing
we've learned in science for a couple thousand
years in order to adhere to their peculiar set
of beliefs.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Why a Buddha, chose such as Home Base!@

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

curtjester1 wrote:

> On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > Where did the water go?
> >
> > Thanks for responding cj. You didn't answer this question. For
> > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > etc). Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
> >
> I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> high because of the water and other factors. Biblicists cite Psalms
> 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
>
> > But that is a huge mass of water, where did it go?
> >
> > Even 3 mile depth covering Mt Araphat and leaving the Himalayas,
> > Sierras, Alps, Caucausus, Pyrenees, Rockies, Cascades, Atlas, Andes,
> > etc ranges exposed, would be an additional mass of water that doesn't
> > exist anywhere on earth or in the atmosphere.
> >
> > Where did it go?
> >
> >
> Many surmize the waters as accountable in the newer developed ocean
> beds, new rain cycles. etc.
>

Ancients, talked of the "Day they Broke the World"!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

curtjester1 wrote:

> On Jun 7, 8:49 pm, Andrew Robertson <adrobert...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > On 8/06/2012 2:48 a.m., curtjester1 wrote:
> >
> > >> How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
> >
> > > I think someone gave a link to that.
> >
> > Once upon a time, around 184 million years ago, East Gondwana,
> > comprising Antarctica, Madagascar, India, Australia and New Zealand
> > began to separate from Africa and drifted slowly south taking the
> > kangaroos with it.
> >
> > The earth is approximately four and a half thousand million years old,
> > and to treat the Bible as in anyway an accurate record of our planet's
> > past would not seem sensible considering that it was not written by
> > geologists.
> >
> > That there are those who eschew the remarkable analytic and deductive
> > powers of their own brains and choose to live in a world of superstition
> > and myth would be a worthy study for evolutionary biologists.
> >
> > Andrew
>
> There's a lot written on uniformitarianism

Black Water, "Hackers", "Aryan's" of WWII, Anglo Saxon's against "NORMANS",
Rome against ALBA, . . . . . . . . .

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Peter Schilte wrote:

> On 9 jun, 19:43, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > > Where did the water go?
> >
> > > Thanks for responding cj. You didn't answer this question. For
> > > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > > etc). Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
> >
> > I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> > high because of the water and other factors. Biblicists cite Psalms
> > 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
> >
>
> What "other factors"? So far you make statements that are in no way
> supported by science, evidence or geology. Mountains became high
> because of tectonic movements that are going on for billions of years.
> Not because of something that supposedly happened 3500 years ago.

No 3500 BCE, or some 5,500 Years ago!
What happened to the "Land Bridge"?
The Point in the Middle of the Oceans, where ALL THE WORLD, Connected?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer wrote:

> In article <8cfd3b41-fee1-41b0...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> curtjester1 says...
> >
> >> > > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a
> >> > > > very close name of Noah in their cultures.
>
> That's a pretty vague claim that I would bet comes from
> a religious apologist tract source.

NO!
Comes from the Magh, O'Bae's, of the SCYTHIAN Culture!
"White Boy's of the North"!
The Left or "RED HAN'D'S" of the Han Dynasty!
Seems that to Lucifer's Tribe, the Right Hand was the "White Hand", the Seat of
Military Might, the Left or Red Hand was the one "Closest to the Heart", saved
for the Most Beloved!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

curtjester1 wrote:

> On Jun 10, 11:28 am, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer <Lydig_mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
> > In article <8cfd3b41-fee1-41b0-9621-ff1b2c15d...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> > curtjester1 says...
> >
> >
> >
> > >> > > > There is a Chinese Noah's account, even with a
> > >> > > > very close name of Noah in their cultures.
> >
> > That's a pretty vague claim that I would bet comes from
> > a religious apologist tract source. Amateurs like you who
> > dabble in history and science for religious-defense purposes
> > and repeat patent nonsense among your fellow-travellers
> > are responsible for a marked rise in general stupidity in
> > these areas.
>
> There is no vague claim. The flood account with ship, passengers,
> testing birds,

Odin and his damned Raven's, "Jesus", is "GOD"!
Don't believe it, the Fundies will come execute ya!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

sully wrote:

> On Jun 9, 10:43 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 11:08 am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 7, 7:48 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jun 5, 5:19 pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > > Where did the water go?
> >
> > > Thanks for responding cj. You didn't answer this question. For
> > > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,
> > > etc). Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an elephant
> > > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
> >
> > I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became
> > high because of the water and other factors. Biblicists cite Psalms
> > 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
>
> So curtis, you completely reject the science of
> Geology?
>
> >

Most Fundies Do!
Dinosaur's walked with Man!
World is ONLY, some 10,000 Years old!
Creationist, Fundi "Mental"!
GOD, made MAN, before the Creatures of the Earth, eh what!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

YES, the people, who just Breached National Security!
Black Water Hackers, who can't understand why the Black Swans say Saint Maghomud, Freed them from their Bondage!
Or why Sen Faie, would support Muslim's!
Damned "Moor's", anyway!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

FUCK the "NUN'S", the Church is gonna "turn the Bear, into an Ass, and use it as a
Beast of Burden for the Church"!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Wrong, is too!
Same as the Totemic Relation, to Hindu Myth!

[�R.Measures]

In article
<3530bcf0-1fc8-485f...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 10, 8:35=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95R.Measures) wrote:
> > In article
> > <d266f84d-6f6b-4bc9-9a19-20079144f...@k5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 9 jun, 19:43, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > On Jun 7, 11:08=3DA0am, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Jun 7, 7:48=3DA0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Jun 5, 5:19=3DA0pm, sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun =
> 5, 2:0=3D
> > > 9=3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DKGeULHljDn8&feature=3D3Drel=

> ated
> >
> > > > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > > > > Where did the water go?
> >

> > > > > Thanks for responding cj. =3DA0 =3DA0You didn't answer this questio=
> n. =3DA0 F=3D

> > > or
> > > > > the entire earth to be covered with water as the bible claims, it
> > > > > would have to cover a height of nearly 7 miles (over Everest, K-2,

> > > > > etc). =3DA0 Never mind that at those altitudes, an animal like an e=
> lephan=3D

> > > t
> > > > > couldn't breathe, and the air is consistently well below freezing.
> >
> > > > I think if you watch the video, the mountains that are high became

> > > > high because of the water and other factors. =3DA0Biblicists cite Psa=

> lms
> > > > 104 for the mountains forming after the waters came up high.
> >
> > > What "other factors"? So far you make statements that are in no way
> > > supported by science, evidence or geology. Mountains became high
> > > because of tectonic movements that are going on for billions of years.
> > > Not because of something that supposedly happened 3500 years ago.
> > > ... ... ...
> >

> > =A0=95 =A0One "other factor" is denial of reality Peter S.

>
> Or the denial to know issues and read upon them?
>

** C. All of the above.

[Logan Sacket]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

How do you know what position I have on this.

I am not a word-for-word wooden Bible Literalist.

[sully]

On Jun 12, 4:41 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

I don't believe you are. But the anti-science position taken
by world-wide flood advocates is precisely the same as science
deniers, just more extreme. Instead of just having to discredit
the dozens of sciences related to climate, they have to dismiss all
of science.

If you were going to convince Curtis that sea life fossils
found on mountains 8000 feet high came from ancient sea
beds that rose over millions and millions of years, you'd have
to employ the same sort of arguments I make with you
over climate. You would be asking him to "please read a
geology textbook".

Furthermore, Curtis, by rejection of ALL science, is at
least self consistent. Where you reject only the world wide
sciences that conflict with your view on climate and evolution,
you have irreparable internal illogics.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

The Plagiarists around here, Read Up on Your Topic, so they can tell you how wrong You are, while they do the cut and paste to another Hollywood Script!
Lousy Grammar, screws em up!
Especially when they MUST, go Research you idea!
o};-)

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Just another Churcher, on a Witch Hunt?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

"KNOWLEDGE IS EVIL", and they just gotta KILL IT!

[Logan Sacket]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I however, reject that which I know about, not that which I don't.
You however, seem to accept that which you really don't know about and
in the process deny yourself plausable ignorance..
You should be ashamed of yourself. At best you show
ignorance of facts.

[Logan Sacket]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:22:48 -0800, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North

Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

>
>

Another atheist that knows everything?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Willful Blindness!
Man will hear only that which Tickles his Ear!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

No, the BEAST, in person!

[sully]

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

You are correct about me. I do accept a great many
things that I don't really know about. For example, when
a doctor proscribes a particular treatment, I generally
will trust them, ask some questions about it, but I won't
go get a medical degree.

Similarly, I'm not really clear how the electronics in my
car work in detail, but I drive my car. I also don't know
what every driver is going to do, but I drive down the freeway,
I generally trust other drivers (but watch out).

I know pretty much every mechanism on all the
various types of bicycles I have, I can fix anything
on them, but I don't know how to make aluminum
handlebars, nor how to make my own ball bearings.

In my job, I know my DB application inside out, but
I don't know exactly how we do the bit swapping when
I install it on a Unix vs a Linux box. The guy that wrote
that code did it well, I suppose, I never have to worry
about it.

I could go on, hopefully you get the idea.

But you seem to see my acceptance of
my ignorance as some sort of flaw, where
I see it as a sign of reason. Yes, it is
admittedly embarrassing at times when
I have to admit my ignorance in a great
many areas. What is very frustrating is
there are some areas that I was quite
knowledgeable at one point, but now I've
forgotten most of it.

Should one be ashamed of having forgotten
things?

There are also a great many
areas where I'm very expert at it, and
I'm proud of that.

I accept things that come from the process
of science. When something new comes along,
I look at the process that makes the claim.
If it comes out of the process of science, I'll
trust it more. Some things I'll investigate, some
I won't, depending on the claim.

Climate is a good example. When climate
was hitting the headlines years ago, I saw
the competing claims. So I went to mainstream
science journals in the library and read them.

I forgot a lot about it, as well. shameful,
I suppose.

But I observe you have a sense that you
know all about something when you are
really every bit as ignorant about it as I am.

You are not ashamed of it, you are actually
proud of your denial of knowledge and evidence

This is why I enjoy our discussions, as there
are lots and lots of people like that, good people,
smart people, and I am totally intrigued by their
sense of certainty that has no basis in evidence.

[sully]

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

BTW, Logan, did I make a wrong assumption here?

Do you believe in a world wide flood as biblically described?

[Logan Sacket]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Actually I have no idea whether there was or not, as it is not high on
the priority list.

I suspect though that if there were a flood as massive as described it
would have to be WW. Else why would Noah not just travel to a place
that was out of the flood district instead of taking a century or more
to build the Ark?

[sully]

On Jun 14, 4:04 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

Well, we are just talking here.

>
> I suspect though that if there were a flood as massive as described it
> would have to be WW.  Else why would Noah not just travel to a place
> that was out of the flood district instead of taking a century or more
> to build the Ark?

I dunno, why didn't Frodo just get flown to Mt Doom
by eagles and drop off the ring?

You don't find the WW flood as described
in Genesis scientifically impossible?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

One who Swims the Warm Waters, of Sin's of the Life!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Making "ASSUMPTIONS' causes Critical Error, eh what!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Nothing to waste life fretting over anyway!
But according to the BOOKS, which "I" didn't write, "I" am a Direct Descendant of NIMROD!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

NOT, to the Witch Hunters around here you aren't!

[ancient...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:03:11 PM UTC-7, Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole wrote:
> Logan Sacket wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >On Jun 12, 4:41 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > >> >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> >On Jun 10, 9:10 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 9:36 pm, Peter Schilte

According the books I didn't write, I'm a direct decendant of Gods! A

[ancient...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:06:14 AM UTC-7, sully wrote:
> On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Jun 12, 4:41 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:44:52 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >On Jun 10, 9:10 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Jun 9, 9:36 pm, Peter Schilte

To believe would be to accept insanity in God. God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in the flood. Why would anyone in their right mind chose to believe this? We currently execute one persone for killing one person,...is God exempt? Absurb! A

[Logan Sacket]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Don't know. Educate me.

[sully]

On Jun 15, 2:48 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

The video at the very top of the thread.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Ouch, that gave me fucking cramps man!
ROFL!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Parrot's What?

[OT]

On Jun 9, 1:39 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

<laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

> curtjester1 wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 12:18 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"

> > <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

> > > sully wrote:
> > > > On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
>
> > > > Where did the water go?
>

> > > Oh Black Water, Keep on Rollen, Mississippi Moon won't'cha keep on
> > > Shining on me!
>
> > That was covered in the video.
>
> > CJ
>
> Yours, maybe!

Did you guys ever watch "Ancient Aliens" on TV. The archeologists
that have
done many of the digs feel that "Gods" in depictions of "the divine"
in paintings and
sculpture, in both pagan and Christian cultures, were in fact from
other worlds, possibly.

I don't know if this is true, but the symbology is a disc with wings
in many of the cases.
Also, you see "angels" depicted in old paintings and sculture, and in
some cases these "angels" wore helmets which could have been
spacesuits. Who knows but something to think about!

OT

[Logan Sacket]

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>>

Interesting video. I have yet to finish it.

Just for kicks, I'll attempt to answer your questions without reading
the rest of the threads in this chain.

>Where did the water go?

It went to form the oceans

>Was the global flood salt water or fresh water? If salt, what
>happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?

Who says there were freshwater fish before the flood?

>What about plants? how did they survive?

Seeds.

>How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?

Don't have a clue. Maybe they traveled there during an ice age, or
since the oceans have been rising, maybe there was passage.

>There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE, why?

Dates are just dates, just like tree ring data.

>Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE, how did a global flood
>skip China?

By definition, it couldn't.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

OT wrote:

> On Jun 9, 1:39 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"
> <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> > curtjester1 wrote:
> > > On Jun 6, 12:18 am, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole"
> > > <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:
> > > > sully wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > thanks, just a few questions since this is a discussion forum.
> >
> > > > > Where did the water go?
> >
> > > > Oh Black Water, Keep on Rollen, Mississippi Moon won't'cha keep on
> > > > Shining on me!
> >
> > > That was covered in the video.
> >
> > > CJ
> >
> > Yours, maybe!
>
> Did you guys ever watch "Ancient Aliens" on TV.

Should be able to compare Notes on your Ancestors with their Research!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Tibetan History Boy's!
Oh Forgot, Orkhan's didn't exist, just more Eastern Fairy Tales!!

[sully]

On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> Interesting video.  I have yet to finish it.

me too. But the early points he was
making basically dismissed all of the
science of geology.

>
> Just for kicks, I'll attempt to answer your questions without reading
> the rest of the threads in this chain.
>
> >Where did the water go?
>
> It went to form the oceans

But the oceans were already there. Noah's flood happened
on top of the oceans. That's a LOT of extra water if it
covers the tops of the the mountains.

>
> >Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
> >happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> Who says there were freshwater fish before the flood?

Do you mean to say there were no freshwater fish
prior to 3500 BC?

>
> >What about plants?   how did they survive?
>
> Seeds.

Did Noah collect all species of seeds from all over
the earth?

many plants do not propogate by seed.

>
> >How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>
> Don't have a clue.  Maybe they traveled there during an ice age, or
> since the oceans have been rising, maybe there was passage.

fair enough

>
> >There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>
> Dates are just dates, just like tree ring data.

fair enough.

>
> >Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
> >skip China?
>
> By definition, it couldn't.

fair enough, so these are all admitted
problems for a world-wide flood.

You previously stated that you hadn't
given it much thought, but it appears that
you do accept that there was a world wide
flood as described in Genesis.

Dozens of different sciences show no
evidence of such a thing, and indeed there
are massively obvious logical problems with
the Noah myth being fact.

So if you do get around to thinking about
this, are you going to reject all of the sciences
or perhaps question what it is you believe?

[Logan Sacket]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:15:09 -0800, "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North

Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote:

>
>

Shoo.

[Logan Sacket]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>>
>> Interesting video.  I have yet to finish it.
>
>me too. But the early points he was
>making basically dismissed all of the
>science of geology.
>
>
>
>>
>> Just for kicks, I'll attempt to answer your questions without reading
>> the rest of the threads in this chain.
>>
>> >Where did the water go?
>>
>> It went to form the oceans
>
>But the oceans were already there. Noah's flood happened
>on top of the oceans. That's a LOT of extra water if it
>covers the tops of the the mountains.

But were the mountains there? When the earth erupted, that water had
to go somewhere.

>> >Was the global flood salt water or fresh water?   If salt, what
>> >happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>>
>> Who says there were freshwater fish before the flood?
>
>Do you mean to say there were no freshwater fish
>prior to 3500 BC?

I didn't say that, I was just asking the question.

>> >What about plants?   how did they survive?
>>
>> Seeds.
>
>Did Noah collect all species of seeds from all over
>the earth?

I doubt he traveled that far.

>many plants do not propogate by seed.

True.

>> >How did Kangaroos get to Australia after they got off the ark?
>>
>> Don't have a clue.  Maybe they traveled there during an ice age, or
>> since the oceans have been rising, maybe there was passage.
>
>fair enough
>>
>> >There was continuous Chinese civilization dating back 4000 BCE,  why?
>>
>> Dates are just dates, just like tree ring data.
>fair enough.
>>
>> >Noah's flood supposedly happened 3500 BCE,  how did a global flood
>> >skip China?
>>
>> By definition, it couldn't.
>
>fair enough, so these are all admitted
>problems for a world-wide flood.
>
>You previously stated that you hadn't
>given it much thought, but it appears that
>you do accept that there was a world wide
>flood as described in Genesis.
>
>Dozens of different sciences show no
>evidence of such a thing, and indeed there
>are massively obvious logical problems with
>the Noah myth being fact.
>
>So if you do get around to thinking about
>this, are you going to reject all of the sciences
>or perhaps question what it is you believe?

Don't know. Something would have to convince me one way or another.
I don't know if there is enough information available to quantify an
answer. Either way I consider it folly to invest the time.

[sully]

On Jun 20, 3:18 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>
> >> Interesting video. I have yet to finish it.
>
> >me too.  But the early points he was
> >making basically dismissed all of the
> >science of geology.
>
> >> Just for kicks, I'll attempt to answer your questions without reading
> >> the rest of the threads in this chain.
>
> >> >Where did the water go?
>
> >> It went to form the oceans
>
> >But the oceans were already there.   Noah's flood happened
> >on top of the oceans.   That's a LOT of extra water if it
> >covers the tops of the the mountains.
>
> But were the mountains there?  When the earth erupted, that water had
> to go somewhere.

When did you think Noah's flood happened?

For example the Himalayas rose
as a mountain range beginning 50
million years ago when the India land
mass plate pushed into the Eurasian
plate.

During Noah's time, the highest peaks
were 27000-28000 ft.

>
> >> >Was the global flood salt water or fresh water? If salt, what
> >> >happened to the fresh water fish and vice versa?
>
> >> Who says there were freshwater fish before the flood?
>
> >Do you mean to say there were no freshwater fish
> >prior to 3500 BC?
>
> I didn't say that, I was just asking the question.

Evidence of fresh water fish prior to Noah is
documented in written history, don't even need
a fossil record. The Egyptians, Sumerians,
Chinese all had written histories dating back to
5000 BC. Fishing on the major rivers was a
primary source of food.

>
> >> >What about plants? how did they survive?
>
> >> Seeds.
>
> >Did Noah collect all species of seeds from all over
> >the earth?
>
> I doubt he traveled that far.

so is that possibly a seed of doubt?
( ha, I pulled a Measures pun) :^)

When I ask about questioning what you believe,
it's not a matter of whether or not there is God,
but an understanding of the nature of the universe.

Is it all just magic, or is there a rational reality?

I know lots of people who believe in God, but accept
science. Their thinking is that God created the laws
of the universe and set it in motion, this includes
evolution, cosmology, etc..

I don't think it folly. Religious thinking, anti-science,
is authority based belief, you believe something because
you are told this is how it is.

There is no mechanism to question that authority.

If you accept science, there is a freedom to use its'
tools to actually figure out for yourself how something
works, and not have to rely on authority only.

I rely on authority of science, of course, because I
trust it. However, if science tells me something that
I don't think is so, I'm free to overturn it by doing science.
It's a lot of work, of course, but it's certainly not folly
to try to understand how the world really works.

Do you have a child? What if that child got hooked
into Scientology? Wouldn't you want your child to
have the rational tools to see the fraud, or have the
faith to accept that particular authority because it's
appealing?

Folly indeed!

[Logan Sacket]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:57:40 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I've tried to convince a close friend that Mormonism is a contrived
religion, but I am 99% sure that it will never happen. If he does
eventually realize it, it will be because of a happening or
circumstances other than just me showing him the facts.

I rely on Science all the time, it is my job. Mathematics, science
and its relationship to the cosmos is unmistakable. Some science,
especially young science doesn't hold up or is too obtuse to depend
on. That is when you have to fall back on science that has more
history of being correct.

Scientology and my children? Never gave it a thought.
Won't happen.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

sully wrote:

> On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting video. I have yet to finish it.
>
> me too. But the early points he was
> making basically dismissed all of the
> science of geology.

Oxford Group have to.
BP and friends want ANWR, "NOW"!
GIA, said: "NO"!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Almost, but your still mistranslating it!
Shua's of NUN, according to your View of things!
In Chinese the Name is CHI, as in A'Chi, the Foo Dog's, who Guard the
Citadel!
As opposed to the Cave Bheare's of Xion.
Born of BOTH, which is RIGHT?

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Logan Sacket wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> Interesting video. I have yet to finish it.
> >
> >me too. But the early points he was
> >making basically dismissed all of the
> >science of geology.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Just for kicks, I'll attempt to answer your questions without reading
> >> the rest of the threads in this chain.
> >>
> >> >Where did the water go?
> >>
> >> It went to form the oceans
> >
> >But the oceans were already there. Noah's flood happened
> >on top of the oceans. That's a LOT of extra water if it
> >covers the tops of the the mountains.
>
> But were the mountains there? When the earth erupted, that water had
> to go somewhere.

Yeah, but look closer!
They "BROKE THE WORLD"!
Read a Book, there is an Orbiting "ASTEROID BELT", where once a Planet WAS!
Adam and Eve, were cast down to Earth, from the Garden of Eden which was
ABOVE!

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Couldn't have been an Atlantis either.
There is No Evidence of some Land Mass, Bridging the World together located in
the Middle of the "Sea's"!
At least not as Greek's read the Legend.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Logan Sacket wrote:

>
> I've tried to convince a close friend that Mormonism is a contrived
> religion, but I am 99% sure that it will never happen.

Doubt it!
Besides if you look close, there is a REAL "HYKSUS" City on the East Coast of
the United States, almost exactly where Smith claimed to have found the Golden
Leaves, and Stone of Vision!
An ELVEN or "FAIRY", VILLAGE!
Home of the ELDEST of the 3 Badb's.
It is engraved with Gaelic Hieroglyph's through out!

[sully]

On Jun 21, 5:56 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:57:40 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>

I have friends that are Mormons, I wouldn't think
of converting them. The real difficult issue is
the disagreement over their history.

Smith's background, logic of the BOM story,
the Missouri battles, Kirtland, and of course,
Mountain Meadows all require an alternate
history than what was documented by historians,
both Mormon and non-Mormon.

I used to have JW's come by my place and
I had a lot of fun with the flood stuff.
They, like you, believed in a literal world
wide flood, though had really strong
feelings in favor of it, where I sense you
see the problems in it and don't want to
deal with it.

We had a lot of fun, though! The JW's
kept coming back with reinforcements
to take me on. I had to stock up on
lemonade and search my property for
more lawn chairs to sit on the lawn
under the big walnut tree.

>
> I rely on Science all the time, it is my job.  Mathematics, science
> and its relationship to the cosmos is unmistakable.  Some science,
> especially young science doesn't hold up or is too obtuse to depend
> on.  That is when you have to fall back on science that has more
> history of being correct.

young science? Like DNA mapping? Photon Science?
This is an odd statement. Geology, for example, is a very
old science, yet there are massive disconnects between
what geology describes and what you believe.

Yet, would you trust the results of an MRI? That's
a very young science.

Science's understanding of the cosmos is as young and
old as you want to look at it. There are lots of very
new ideas that explain our universe that we still don't
have direct evidence for. We don't really know
that much about gravity yet.

What's interesting is that we don't need to have
complete knowledge of the universe to function
very well. For example, Newtonian physics,
which was supplanted by relativity, quantum and
all kinds of other theories was adequate enough
to get us to and from the moon.

But because Newtonian physics was enough
to do a moon shot, does that invalidate quantum?
relativity? Wouldn't it be dishonest to say that
because "Newton is very old, it works well enough
for us, Relativity is not scientific, I don't think it's
worth accepting".

The same process of science created both
theories, Relativity, indeed, built on top of
Newton.

But this is what I observe you do. I find it interesting
from that POV that you'll be dismayed at a Mormon
friend who won't accept evidence.

[Maximus Barksworth-Smithee]

On Jun 5, 2:09 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8&feature=related
>

> CJ

O yeah, I know there was a huge flood. My dog pissed after a long car
ride, and the flood was HUGE.

[•R.Measures]

In article
<d2b9eb0a-52ce-4a7d...@2g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, sully
<suls...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 21, 5:56=A0pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:57:40 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > >...

> But because Newtonian physics was enough
> to do a moon shot, does that invalidate quantum?
> relativity? Wouldn't it be dishonest to say that
> because "Newton is very old, it works well enough
> for us, Relativity is not scientific, I don't think it's
> worth accepting".
>
> The same process of science created both
> theories, Relativity, indeed, built on top of
> Newton.
>

• CHORTLE

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Was when the Great Lakes Broke Open, was also when the Mediterranean
Flooded.

[Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole]

Wasn't a Problem with any other Religion though!
Just Mormon's!
Especially since the Jesuit's had arrived by then, and we all know about the
Thugie and Coolie's!