Who is Fred Collier?
LARK JONES
people talk about the books that he has written. Who is he and what is his
claim?
Michael D. Richey
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> >I am wondering if any of you have heard of Fred Collier.
>
> His web site is at:
> http://www.zianet.com/collier
>
> >Who is he and what is his claim?
>
> He claims to have legitimate priesthood authority,
> derived I expect from the Holy Order, or the Council
> of 50, or some such thing. It is hard to tell exactly,
> because one has to pay money in order to read
> his writings.
He has published a couple of volumes of "Unpublished Revelations"
which you should be able to order from his website or find and good
used LDS bookstores like Brigham's books here in Provo. He definitely
has fundamentalist Mormon leanings, but I don't know if he is
affiliated with a specific sect.
--
Mike Richey
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Nick Literski
>I am wondering if any of you have heard of Fred Collier. I have heard some
>claim?
Fred Collier is a so-called "fundamentalist" who claims to have a
higher priesthood authority than that found in the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. He is not, however, particularly
critical of the Church---he has a rather well-written rebuke to D.
Michael Quinn on his website, for example.
That said, Fred Collier is ALSO, in my opinion, a VERY gifted
researcher. His books are well worth reading, but you should be VERY
careful about his CONCLUSIONS, which are not always merited from the
FACTS he presents from his research.
He also has a bit of a bad habit, at least in my two experiences with
him. If you happen to mention ANYONE who has written or spoken on
spiritual things of a "deeper" nature, he will immediately claim to
have taught them "everything they know."
Nick Literski
ADAMONDIOM
He also has three wifes. Lives with one of them ( his first) And the other
two live far away and separated from each other.
Joe Steve Swick III
Fred Collier is a so-called "fundamentalist" who claims to have a higher
priesthood authority than that found in the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints.
Actually, Nick, he is not a "so-called" Mormon Fundamentalist. He IS a
Mormon Fundamentalist.
___Nick Literski___
He is not, however, particularly critical of the Church---he has a rather
well-written rebuke to D. Michael Quinn on his website, for example.
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Actually, he is QUITE critical of the Church. He believes that it is
thoroughly apostate, and that it has rejected the doctrines and ordinances
associated with the Fulness of the Gospel. He also believes that he is the
Head of the Priesthood, standing as Adam for this dispensation, as Joseph
Smith did in HIS day. If you want to know what that means, consider what
John Locke and Robert Filmer were debating about Patriarchal Authority, and
you'll easily get the drift.
___Nick Literski___
That said, Fred Collier is ALSO, in my opinion, a VERY gifted researcher.
His books are well worth reading, but you should be VERY careful about his
CONCLUSIONS, which are not always merited from the FACTS he presents from
his research.
-----
Yes, Fred's published material is quite impressive, and well worth one's
time.
___Nick Literski___
He also has a bit of a bad habit, at least in my two experiences with him.
If you happen to mention ANYONE who has written or spoken on spiritual
things of a "deeper" nature, he will immediately claim to have taught them
"everything they know."
-----
Fred claims to be the Head of the Priesthood, and the current Font of
Revelation.
___Kathy___
He also has three wifes. Lives with one of them ( his first) And the other
two live far away and separated from each other.
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It has been a few years since I last met with Fred, but at my last counting,
his wives all live together with him in Hanna. I have met them, and they
all seemed nice enough.
Fred's priesthood claims come through Benjamin F. Johnson, a member of the
Council of Fifty, who was a bosom friend and and adopted son of Joseph
Smith.
Cheers,
JSW
Nick Literski
wrote:
>Actually, Nick, he is not a "so-called" Mormon Fundamentalist. He IS a
>Mormon Fundamentalist.
Semantics, my friend. :-)
I can't help but question some of his "fundamentals."
>Actually, he is QUITE critical of the Church.
All points well taken, but on the other hand, he seems to be softening
in his stand. Read his response to Quinn.
>Fred claims to be the Head of the Priesthood, and the current Font of
>Revelation.
Well, I guess that makes it easy to make the claims he does, eh? LOL
>Fred's priesthood claims come through Benjamin F. Johnson, a member of the
>Council of Fifty, who was a bosom friend and and adopted son of Joseph
>Smith.
That was my understanding as well, but I wasn't certain, so I didn't
state it.
Nick Literski
Cdolee
>Head of the Priesthood, standing as Adam for this dispensation,
Isn't this the same thing that leader of the TLC group and the leader of the
LDS church claims? Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
Jooniebee
> Isn't this the same thing that leader of the TLC group and the leader of the
>LDS church claims? Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
Hey Cdoee don't forget to include Allred and Jeffs. They have also layed claim
to these priesthood keys.
Ldzion
anthing.
And I did not know anyone else was getting deep these days . I would like to
hear about it. :)
James
Nick:
Joe Steve Swick III
He also believes that he is the Head of the Priesthood, standing as Adam for
this dispensation,
___Cdolee___
Isn't this the same thing that leader of the TLC group and the leader of the
LDS church claims?
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Actually, it isn't. Fred's claims are based on a very unique teaching
regarding the Fulness of the Patriarchal Priesthood; that is not the case
for Gordon B. Hinckley or Jim Harmston.
___Cdolee___
Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
-----
Remember the game show, "What's My Line?"
JSW
ADAMONDIOM
>He also has three wifes. Lives with one of them ( his first) And the other
>two live far away and separated from each other.
>
>It has been a few years since I last met with Fred, but at my last counting,
>his wives all live together with him in Hanna. I have met them, and they
>all seemed nice enough.
Yes it has been a few years since you have seen him. From my latest
connections given thru the grapevine from one of his adopted sons ( For they
live the higher order of adoption of men to men) the wives are no longer
together.
>Fred's priesthood claims come through Benjamin F. Johnson, a member of the
>Council of Fifty, who was a bosom friend and and adopted son of Joseph
>Smith.
>
>Cheers,
>JSW
I thought the claim came thru Ben Johnson who was one of the four men who were
given the authority around the time of government pressure to ban poligamy.
Wooley and two others also. Who Allred also claimed thru one of these four
men. And the lovely LaBaron tribe.......kathy...
ADAMONDIOM
>___Cdolee___
>Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
>-----
This is something you need to pray about.. Funny thing tho I know people who
have prayed about Collier and recieved a answer from the Lord that he is the
true Patriarchal Priesthood leader. I have known others who have prayed and
recieved an answer that Jim Harmston is the Prophet.. I know others who have
prayed and recieved an answer that Gordon B Hinkley is the true Prophet......So
whats going on here???? They all KNOW.......kathy.....
ADAMONDIOM
I'M STANDING.....Ohhhhh....get that look off your face.... Don't look
surprised everyone. You knew that someday the Patriarchal Priesthood would be
given to a woman........kathy.......
ADAMONDIOM
>the
>>LDS church claims? Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
>
>claim
>to these priesthood keys.
the same way as Collier. It was authority that was supposedly given to four
men during the government pressure to ban Poligamy. Given to four men because
the EYE of the government was on the Prophet. Johnson, Wooley and two other
men. And lets not forget the lovely LaBaron tribe who claims to have recieved
it thru this process also.
ADAMONDIOM
>LDS church claims? Will the one true head of the priesthood PLEASE STAND UP.
Actually that would be Jesus I believe. Who was called to be our High
Priest........kathy.....
Cdolee
>together.
This is correct Kathy. Only Fred's first wife lives with him in Hanna Utah.
LARK JONES
checked out his website and read the information. Does he have followers like
other fundamental Mormon groups? If so, are they scattered about or do they
live in their own little world like theTLC group?
ADAMONDIOM
Collier........kathy.
>From: ldz...@aol.com (Ldzion
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Joe Steve Swick III
___JSW___
Fred's priesthood claims come through Benjamin F. Johnson, a member of the
Council of Fifty, who was a bosom friend and and adopted son of Joseph
Smith.
___ADAMONDIOM___
I thought the claim came thru Ben Johnson who was one of the four men who
were given the authority around the time of government pressure to ban
poligamy. Wooley and two others also. Who Allred also claimed thru one of
these four men. And the lovely LaBaron tribe.......
----
Well, that's a little jumbled up, actually. Benjamin F. Johnson was a member
of the Council of Fifty, was an adopted son of Joseph Smith, and held the
Fulness of the Priesthood. He was the grandfather of Alma Dayer LeBaron, who
had several sons who have of course become both infamous and notorious.
Fred's authority is traced through Ross LeBaron -- the relatively quiet one
of the bunch.
By contrast, the Allreds clain their Priesthood authority through Joseph
Musser, who was one of the men called by Lorin C. Woolley to the Council of
Friends in the late 1920's. Lorin Woolley and his father, Patriarch John W.
Woolley, claimed that on the night of September 27, 1886, John Taylor
recieved a revelation while staying in the Woolley home. This
revelation --the content of which is in the handwriting of John Taylor--
includes a positive statement by the Lord that the Law of Plural Marriage
could never be revoked, for it was an eternal commandment -- and then put
men on their own responsibility to live it. This revelation guided the
actions of many men, including Apostles John W. Taylor, and Matthias Cowley,
who were excommunicated and disfellowshipped (respectively) for acting upon
its clear prescription.
In addition to the written revelation, the Woolleys claimed that five men
were set apart to keep plural marriage alive at all hazards, and were
allowed to pass along this same calling and relevant keys in perpetuity.
Cheers,
JSW
