Answer to a Question
Art Bulla
physically to address all of the blasphemies level at me I respond in this
manner, in answer to an intelligent question raised by RetroProphet, who has
objected in a civil manner due respect. The rest are ad hominem attacks
which mean nothing and sway nobody except the foolish and ignorant.
RetroProphet wrote:
> Allow me to suggest a far more reasonable test of your
> claims for the powers of ordained Priests of the Order
> of Melchizedec. If they have in fact been uniquely privy
> to a "complete body" of scientific knowledge as you claim,
> why haven't Priests of the Order of Melchizedec overwhelmingly
> dominated scientific discovery and advancement from their
> inception to this day?
The answer to your question is found on the reaction of this newsgroup. The
prophets have always been met by mobs who have taken their lives. Jesus,
Joseph Smith, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah to name a few were all destroyed by
mobs such as what comprise this newsgroup. Because their deeds are evil
they choose darkness rather than light. The heart of man is desperately
wicked, and they will do anything, even shed innocent blood to preserve
their freedom to do wickedness in the dark. They hate the light.
19 Therefore we will destroy him, and also the work; and we will do this
that we may not be ashamed in the end, and that we may get glory of the
world.
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that Satan has great hold upon their
hearts; he stirreth them up to iniquity against that which is good;
21 And their hearts are corrupt, and full of wickedness and abominations;
and they love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil;
therefore they will not ask of me.
22 Satan stirreth them up, that he may lead their souls to destruction.
23 And thus he has laid a cunning plan, thinking to destroy the work of
God; but I will require this at their hands, and it shall turn to their
shame and condemnation in the day of judgment.
(D&C 10:19-23)
--
"I am like a huge rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the
only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in
contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against
religious bigotry, priestcraft, lawyer-craft, doctor-craft, lying editors,
suborned judges and jurors, and the authority of perjured executives, backed
by mobs, blasphemers, licentious and corrupt men and womenall hell knocking
off a corner here and a corner there. Thus will I become a smooth and
polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty." (Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith, p. 304.)
(President Harold B. Lee, May the Kingdom of God Go Forth, Ensign (CR),
January 1973, p.23)
"I just tell em the truth, and they think it's hell." Harry Truman
Concerning quotes (out of context): these are distortions, taken out of the
context of
the blasphemies and insults placed upon me by the vilest of traitors and
foul wretches
imagineable. Jesus kicked their asses out of the Temple and I do the same to
all god damned liars and hypocrites. I make no apology. God is my judge. If
this fellow (Manning) were honest he would include these, and all would see
that I am
justified by the Lord in my responses. The word of the Lord is given on
the matter in the following:
Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice,
and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys
of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according
to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.
Let no one, therefore, set on my servant for I will justify him. saith the
Lord your God.
THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS:
Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.
"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition
of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand."
Dr.Samuel Johnson.
The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
<http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3>
Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68
As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons
of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the
brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.
"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call
down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are
indebted
to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God
has
spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith
"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the
one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge
and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over
preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of
righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the
creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229,
George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866
"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they
understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not
understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This
can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became
foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of
Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the
gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith
in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)
35 And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall
be sent away, and shall not inherit the land.
36 For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim,
wherefore they shall be plucked out.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 64:35 - 36)
Cheezits
[stuff that has nothing to do with talk.origins deleted]
> The answer to your question is found on the reaction of this
> newsgroup.
Which newsgroup?
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
unrestra...@hotmail.com
Art Bulla wrote:
> Since this is essentially a mob with very many persons and I'm unable
> physically to address all of the blasphemies level at me I respond in this
> manner, in answer to an intelligent question raised by RetroProphet, who has
> objected in a civil manner due respect. The rest are ad hominem attacks
> which mean nothing and sway nobody except the foolish and ignorant.
>
>
> RetroProphet wrote:
> > Allow me to suggest a far more reasonable test of your
> > claims for the powers of ordained Priests of the Order
> > of Melchizedec. If they have in fact been uniquely privy
> > to a "complete body" of scientific knowledge as you claim,
> > why haven't Priests of the Order of Melchizedec overwhelmingly
> > dominated scientific discovery and advancement from their
> > inception to this day?
>
>
> The answer to your question is found on the reaction of this newsgroup. The
> prophets have always been met by mobs who have taken their lives. Jesus,
> Joseph Smith, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah to name a few were all destroyed by
> mobs such as what comprise this newsgroup. Because their deeds are evil
> they choose darkness rather than light. The heart of man is desperately
> wicked, and they will do anything, even shed innocent blood to preserve
> their freedom to do wickedness in the dark. They hate the light.
>
May I point out that the people who persecuted these folks were rival
political or religious groups, not scientists? Have any scientists ever
been persecuted by religious groups? Hmm. Galileio. Copernicus (after
his death). Hypatia of Alexandria.
I notice that you didn't answer Retro's question. Whining that people
are picking on you because they won't acknowledge your wonderfulness is
hardly demonstrating that the Priests of the Order of Melchizedec knew
*anything that could be verified, let alone scientific data before its
human discovery.
<snip religious irrelevancies>
It wouldn't matter if you *were the best thing since sliced bread,
dancing a jig is not the same thing as fixing a car, and making claims
of religious visions is not the same as making scientific assertions.
Kermit
Navillus
I think he's got a point guys. Remember that one time when we crucified
Richard Dawkins? Or the time when we held Logo's head underwater until
he renounced his faith? What about the time when we made Sean dress up
like a girl and dance around like a fairy as we shot at his feet with
ivory-handled pistols?
... funny thing is Kant seems to resurrect himself every few months.
Jack Strickland
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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> Since this is essentially a mob
Do you hear voices? That's an intelligent question.
Gordon Hill
Art Bulla wrote:
> Since this is essentially a mob with very many persons and I'm unable
This may be one problem, Art. Where I come from a blasphemy is a
defamation of God. I can only blaspheme you if your are God. If you
are, I'm sunk, but my Dad prophesied it.
> RetroProphet wrote:
> > Allow me to suggest a far more reasonable test of your
> > claims for the powers of ordained Priests of the Order
> > of Melchizedec. If they have in fact been uniquely privy
> > to a "complete body" of scientific knowledge as you claim,
> > why haven't Priests of the Order of Melchizedec overwhelmingly
> > dominated scientific discovery and advancement from their
> > inception to this day?
>
>
> The answer to your question is found on the reaction of this newsgroup. The
> prophets have always been met by mobs who have taken their lives...
I don't think you are at mortal risk from this newsgroup, nor am I
aware of any killings of those who offer new scientific evidence, but I
also know that the true prophet never backs away just because they are
doubted. You have passed muster on this count.
As for the rest of your post, why are you compelled to post an
additional 1,000 words which has no direct bearing on you point? We
have your website.
All the best, GH
Navillus
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:36:59 -0800, "Navillus" <cwsul...@ucdavis.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> > I think he's got a point guys. Remember that one time when we crucified
> > Richard Dawkins?
>
> and he posted here?
LoL not exactly. The "Richard Dawkins" who posts here is the most
recent incarnation of the Creationist troll "Kant".
Shane
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:36:59 -0800, "Navillus" <cwsul...@ucdavis.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I think he's got a point guys. Remember that one time when we crucified
>> Richard Dawkins?
>
> Crucified Richard Dawkins? You mean the famous English science professor,
> and he posted here?
Unfortunately no. A few months ago a poster using the name Richard
Dawkins posted here for some time before being blocked for breaking the
very mild moderation rules. This person was apparently Ray Ambrosini, a
well known net kook.
Shane
Josh M.
> physically to address all of the blasphemies level at me
Blasphemy:
1. a. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or
a sacred entity.
b. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.
2. An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to
something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.
Somehow, Art, I don't think the personal attacks directed at you could be
considered "blasphemies." Ironically, though, _your_ behavior is blasphemous
according to definition 1b.
The Last Conformist
This Ray Ambrosini? http://alawns.com/
Jong Kim
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The Holy Ghost persuades mankind to do good continually, as it is written in
the Book of Mormon, and Josephus says that Moses was exemplary in following
the Spirit of God:
"He was one that exceeded all men that ever were in understanding, and made
the best use of what that understanding suggested to him." Josephus.
"Antiquities of the Jews"
And Joseph Smith says it in this way:
***
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Three 1838-39 Pg.151
The Spirit of Revelation
The Spirit of Revelation is in connection with these blessings. A person
may profit by noticing the first intimation of the spirit of revelation; for
instance, when you feel pure intelligence flowing into you, it may give you
sudden strokes of ideas, so that by noticing it, you may find it fulfilled
the same day or soon; (i.e.,) those things that were presented unto your
minds by the Spirit of God, will come to pass; and thus by learning the
Spirit of God and understanding it, you may grow into the principle of
revelation, until you become perfect in Christ Jesus.
***
What men call scientific *intuition* that leads to a great breakthrough is
actually a suggestion planted in the mind by the Holy Ghost, who persuades
mankind to do good continually.
When a person is *expressly* guided by the Holy Ghost, the effects thereof:
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye
take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn,
and the DAY STAR ARISE in your HEARTS:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private
interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of
God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:19 - 21)
***
Journal of Discourses, Vol.12, Pg.334, George Albert Smith, November 15,
1868
A great many of us can recollect that when we read the Bible in our young
days it was like a sealed book; and we were taught, and the sentiment had
been impressed upon us, that its contents had a two or three-fold spiritual
meaning, and that it required a man who had studied divinity to explain
these hidden meanings. Yet we found in the New Testament that "no prophecy
of the scripture is of any private interpretation, but holy men of God spake
as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." When we read the Book of Mormon it
was a key to unlock the scriptures to our understandings; while perusing its
pages, LIGHT BURST upon our MINDS, and in this way the Book of Mormon
revealed to us the light of the Gospel which before had seemed obscure.
***
--
6 Yea, thus saith the still small voice, which whispereth through and
pierceth all things, and often times it maketh my bones to quake while it
maketh manifest, saying:
7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and
strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a
covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels
shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to
arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the
names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the
law of God;
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 85:6 - 7)
The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3
Jong Kim
Jack Strickland
head, rather than imaginings or shizophrenia?
John Manning
> How do you know it's a certified supernatural being talking inside your
> head, rather than imaginings or shizophrenia?
Actual quote from Art Bulla:
"They brought me handcuffed for trial for
involuntary commitment."
~~ Art Bulla
Actual quote from Aaron Kim, Jong's brother:
“The Mormons took his children away from
him. His own family tried to have him
hospitalized in a mental hospital, his
children have turned against him.”
~~ Aaron Kim
John Manning
Aaron has admitted that his parents are less
than enthused about the two young brothers
buying into Art Bulla.
Ernest Major
<add...@is.invalid> writes
>
A sample post from "Skywise" was from "70-56-186-171.phnx.qwest.net",
which I presume to be in Phoenix, AZ. So presumably it's not the same
Ray Ambrosini.
--
alias Ernest Major
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Art Bulla
of two sargents of the United States army, who if anything were antagonistic
to the idea of anyone getting revelation from God. Were they paranoid
schizophrenic also?
But more often the character of the voice I hear is this:
6 Yea, thus saith the still small voice, which whispereth through and
pierceth all things, and often times it maketh my bones to quake while it
maketh manifest, saying:
7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and
strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a
covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels
shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to
arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the
names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the
law of God;
8 While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth
his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as
a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.
9 And all they who are not found written in the book of remembrance shall
find none inheritance in that day, but they shall be cut asunder, and their
portion shall be appointed them among unbelievers, where are wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
(D&C 85:6-9)
--
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>
Art Bulla
all people of faith including the Jews, and Christians:
Shemp McGurk wrote: Discuss.
Shemp - What's to discuss? John Manning's words will follow him for a long
time since he signed his own name to all those racist and anti-religious
messages he posted all over the Internet. HE MUST HAVE POSTED 10,000 POSTS
BASHING THE MORMONS ALONE!
About two years ago I actually thought John Manning had some sense of
decency in him. After being taken to task on Yahoo! TM Controversy by Judy
Stein who accused him of being a liar and a racist, he backed down and
seemed to do a flip-flop. He even apologized, sort of, for calling the Jews
a "bullshit group." That was before he hijacked alt.m.t. so he could turn it
into his personal political soapbox.
Ever since then he's spammed everything in sight up to and including
accusing Delia of misleading the forum on the harmful effects of DHMO!
Manning called Delia a "Pagan." ROTFL!!!
But his last few posts (see below) have convinced me that he has no
integrity at all and probably never had any in the first place. An avowed
Deaniac, he wants to have it both ways: the Vietnam war was an immoral war
and U.S. troops committed atrocities over there, yet, he wants us to vote
for John Kerry who is proud of the fact that he served in Vietnam and
committed atrocities over there. How can anyone figure that one out?
John Manning has shown everyone that he is an intollerant hypocrite. He's
bashed the Maharishi, TMers, the TMO, the Jews, Christians, Mormons, Pagans,
and just about every religious faith on the planet. If it wasn't for his
fear of Judy Stein he'd still be bashing the Maharishi on a daily basis and
posting rumors about Mr. Varma's private sex life.
Can you believe that John Manning published my TM mantra on the Internet and
then made fun of my spiritual practice? Can you believe that this guy made
the claim to have initiated over 5,000 people into TM? What a phoney fuk!
The guy is a loser, pure and simple. In my opinion John Manning has taken
this forum to a new all-time low, and that's saying a lot! I think John
Manning and that other Barry "whats-his-name" (see below), should be banned
from Usenet. I'm convinced that the two of them are practicing voodoo and
black magic and sticking pins in dolls when they're not posting hate mail
here.
It speaks volumes that not a single respondent on this forum challenged
their most recent devilish remarks. At one point I thought there was some
integrity left on alt.m.t - not any more. It is, like John Stanley noted,
the "cesspool of Usenet."
--
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"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
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Art Bulla
Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool. In
fact it is a criterion to judge whether a man is warring the true Christian
warfare. For if he is not persecuted you can be sure that he is not living
"godly in Christ Jesus".
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution.
(2 Tim 3:12)
36 And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he
that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy
of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for
my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth
him that sent me.
(Matt 10:36-40)
But as for this fellow Manning, he has spent his whole life bashing the
Mormons, the Jews and all believers in Christ and anyone who is stumbling
about trying to find God. A more tireless persecutor you will never find.
Of late he has latched on to the Mormon newsgroup to try to destroy it as
well. Here is what one post or a that his activities on the TM newsgroup::
--
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"nmp" <add...@is.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:16:28 -0200, it was decided that John Manning
> should write:
>
Shane
> Jesus taught that a man's enemies would be those of his own household.
Fine, then why are you so agressive in response to peole who are not
your enemies?
> Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool. In
> fact it is a criterion to judge whether a man is warring the true Christian
> warfare. For if he is not persecuted you can be sure that he is not living
> "godly in Christ Jesus".
Interesting theology, apparently Osama Bin Laden is living "Godly in
Christ Jesus. Yet a person who is following Jesus advice to live
peaceably with all men, and acheives it, is not.
--
Shane
The truth wills et you free.
Josh Hayes
news:40mqfvF...@individual.net:
> This is the voice I hear, once a voice that shook the ground in the
> presence of two sargents of the United States army, who if anything
> were antagonistic to the idea of anyone getting revelation from God.
> Were they paranoid schizophrenic also?
Perhaps. Was one of the sargents Sargent Shriver?
> (D&C 85:6-9)
Dilation and curettage? You are a very strange fellow, Art.
-JAH
FS: Gold tablets with scribbles, cheap
Jong Kim
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> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:32:02 -0800, Art Bulla wrote:
>
> > Jesus taught that a man's enemies would be those of his own household.
>
> Fine, then why are you so agressive in response to peole who are not
> your enemies?
>
2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were SHAMEFULLY ENTREATED,
as ye know, at Philippi, we were BOLD in our God to SPEAK unto you the
GOSPEL of God with MUCH CONTENTION.
(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 2:2)
Like Paul the Apostle, Art Bulla the Apostle is trying to get people to
understand the truth. He's trying to save them from the devil and his
angels. As with the Greeks of old, this is no easy task. As it is written,
6 ś Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is
near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and
let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 ś For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my
ways, saith the LORD.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 55:6 - 8)
> > Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool.
In
> > fact it is a criterion to judge whether a man is warring the true
Christian
> > warfare. For if he is not persecuted you can be sure that he is not
living
> > "godly in Christ Jesus".
>
> Interesting theology, apparently Osama Bin Laden is living "Godly in
> Christ Jesus. Yet a person who is following Jesus advice to live
> peaceably with all men, and acheives it, is not.
>
> --
> Shane
> The truth wills et you free.
>
The 2+2=5 subjective truth of Evolution will set you free to be evil, like
Osama. Throw out the garbage from any Dr. Strangelove that propagandizes
Evolution. Dr. Richard Dawkins, etc. These are wolves in sheep's clothing.
They are not interested at all in 2+2=4 objective truth, just in worldly
honors and multiple uppers on their bank accounts. So that they can go
"missing a lot" like the late George Best, one of the greatest soccer
players ever as well as a notoriously profligate chap, whom Prime Minister
Tony Blair called a "football genius".
"I went missing a lot during my career. Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom,
Miss World, all of them." George Best, the genius footballer from Northern
Ireland.
At least Bestie could thrill the masses and the royals with his amazing
soccer skills (when he's not doing it with Stevie Nicks), but Dr. Dawkins
has gotten the same gain without being useful in any way whatsoever to
anyone.
***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
He married Marian Stamp on August 19, 1967, but they divorced in 1984. On
June 1 the same year, Dawkins married Eve Barham, by whom he had a daughter,
Juliet, but they, too, divorced; she subsequently died. He married his third
wife, actress Lalla Ward, in 1992, after having been introduced to her by
Douglas Adams (who was a colleague of hers on the production team of Doctor
Who; Dawkins and Adams had quickly become friends after he'd written a fan
letter to Adams).
***
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted
after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with
many sorrows.
(New Testament | 1 Timothy 6:10)
--
"We find that Anaximander of Miletus (611 B.C.-546 B.C.) advanced the
traditional evolutionary idea, already quite common in his day, that life
first evolved from a type of pre-biotic soup, helped along a bit by the rays
of the sun. He believed that the first animals developed from sea slime
which had been evaporated by the suns rays. He also believed that men were
descended from fish.(9) ... 9. In Colliers Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, pp.480, in
the article Evolution, William Stansfield wrote: 'The ancient Greek
philosopher Anaximander is
generally credited as being the earliest evolutionist.' " James M. Foard.
"The Nebulous Hypothesis: A Study of the Philosophical and Historical
Implications of Darwinian Theory" (1996)
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RetroProphet
>
>Since this is essentially a mob with very many persons
>and I'm unable physically to address all of the
>in answer to an intelligent question raised by RetroProphet,
>who has objected in a civil manner due respect.
>The rest are ad hominem attacks which mean nothing and
>sway nobody except the foolish and ignorant.
>
>
>> Allow me to suggest a far more reasonable test of your
>> claims for the powers of ordained Priests of the Order
>> of Melchizedec. If they have in fact been uniquely privy
>> to a "complete body" of scientific knowledge as you claim,
>> why haven't Priests of the Order of Melchizedec overwhelmingly
>> dominated scientific discovery and advancement from their
>> inception to this day?
>
>
>The answer to your question is found on the reaction of
>this newsgroup. The prophets have always been met by
>Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah to name a few were all destroyed
>by mobs such as what comprise this newsgroup. Because
>their deeds are evil they choose darkness rather than light.
>The heart of man is desperately wicked, and they will do
>anything, even shed innocent blood to preserve their
>freedom to do wickedness in the dark. They hate the light.
So, you maintain that reason you have no evidence to support
your claim that Priests of the Order of Melchizedec are divinely
informed in matters of science is because their prophetic leaders
were killed?
The Order was restored in modern times and a very large number
of Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have come and gone over
the course of nearly 175 years, but only a trifling number of
them could possibly have been killed by evil people before
having an opportunity to demonstrate their scientific prowess.
How then to explain that as a group their record of scientific
achievement does not greatly exceed the norm? In fact, considering
that the past 175 years has been a period of unprecedented increase
in scientific knowledge, and yet scientific prowess may be
easily demonstrated to originate from people of all sorts,
including women, argues strongly against your premise.
It is also curious, given the import you place on how
"Evolution" is not only bad science but also evil,
that Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have been
utterly unable to use their powers to fight this evil,
and overturn it with their indisputably correct science.
Their inability to establish an evidential grounding for
the Book of Mormon is also noted.
Jong Kim
news:do664...@drn.newsguy.com...
The city of Melchizedek (who is Shem the son of Noah, by a modern revelation
given to Art Bulla, and this being implied in a revelation given to Joseph
Smith) having been translated in the manner of the city of Enoch before the
global Deluge, it started all over with Father Abraham:
"For whereas the Egyptians were formerly addicted to different customs, and
despised one another's sacred and accustomed rites, and were very angry one
with another on that account, Abram conferred with each of them, and,
confuting the reasonings they made use of, every one for their own
practices, demonstrated that such reasonings were vain and void of truth:
whereupon he was admired by them in those conferences as a very wise man,
and one of great sagacity, when he discoursed on any subject he undertook;
and this not only in understanding it, but in persuading other men also to
assent to him. He communicated to them ARITHMETIC, and delivered to them the
SCIENCE of ASTRONOMY; for before Abram came into Egypt they were
unacquainted with those parts of learning; for that science came from the
Chaldeans into EGYPT, and FROM THENCE to the GREEKS also." Josephus.
"Antiquities of the Jews"
Some Greeks not in agreement with Aristotle and Ptolemy taught the correct
doctrine of Heliocentrism, many centuries before Copernicus and Galileo.
(Historians and physicists openly acknowledge this fact.) Euclid taught
geometry. And then you've got Archimedes. Mathematics did NOT originate from
the ancient Greeks. Neither did astronomy, correct or incorrect.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down
from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of
turning.
(New Testament | James 1:17)
> The Order was restored in modern times and a very large number
> of Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have come and gone over
> the course of nearly 175 years, but only a trifling number of
> them could possibly have been killed by evil people before
> having an opportunity to demonstrate their scientific prowess.
>
> How then to explain that as a group their record of scientific
> achievement does not greatly exceed the norm? In fact, considering
> that the past 175 years has been a period of unprecedented increase
> in scientific knowledge, and yet scientific prowess may be
> easily demonstrated to originate from people of all sorts,
> including women, argues strongly against your premise.
>
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the
TIME of the END: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE
INCREASED.
(Old Testament | Daniel 12:4)
In order for the Scriptural "fulness of the Gentiles" to be fulfilled in
these the last days, the Lord Jesus led scientists, primarily of Europe and
North America, by His Spirit (though they knew it not, for the most part) to
develop physical sciences and genetic engineering as they stand now, so that
Babylon the great is built up and thereby make full her cup of iniquity, and
then shall the Lord return "as a thief in the night", the inhabitants of the
earth having dwindled in unbelief, primarily because of the mentally
debilitating sorcery of anti-Christ Evolutionism.
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, until the FULNESS of the GENTILES be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out
of Sion the DELIVERER, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(New Testament | Romans 11:25 - 27)
This Deliverer prophesied by Paul is none other than Art Bulla, mighty and
strong to the deliverance of the house of Joseph (the tribes of Ephraim and
Manasseh).
13 And now, the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of
the natural branches through the FULNESS of the GENTILES, is, that in the
latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief, yea, for the
space of many years, and many generations after the Messiah shall be
manifested in body unto the children of men, then shall the fulness of the
gospel of the Messiah come unto the Gentiles, and from the Gentiles unto the
remnant of our seed—
14 And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the
house of Israel, and that they are the covenant people of the Lord; and then
shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to
the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto
their fathers by him; wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their
Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come
unto him and be saved.
(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 15:13 - 14)
An account of a visitation of an angel of the Lord to Joseph Smith, Jun.:
41 He also quoted the second chapter of Joel, from the twenty-eighth verse
to the last. He also said that this was not yet fulfilled, but was soon to
be. And he further stated that the FULNESS of the GENTILES was soon to come
in. He quoted many other passages of scripture, and offered many
explanations which cannot be mentioned here.
(Pearl of Great Price | Joseph Smith-History 1:41)
> It is also curious, given the import you place on how
> "Evolution" is not only bad science but also evil,
> that Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have been
> utterly unable to use their powers to fight this evil,
> and overturn it with their indisputably correct science.
>
"Even so, come, Lord Jesus." John the Revelator. (Revelation 22:20)
Darwinism has engendered the twin evils of Eugenics and Social Darwinism,
and the rest is history, since the time of Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of
Charles Darwin. Natural Selection is more correctly labeled Unnatural
Selection, since the reality esp. in modern times has been a reduction of
the diversity of species. The denizens of talk.origins are merely dupes,
those that believe Evolution happened. Either that or some of them have axes
to grind.
> Their inability to establish an evidential grounding for
> the Book of Mormon is also noted.
>
19 And they also had HORSES, and asses, and there were ELEPHANTS and
cureloms and cumoms; all of which were useful unto man, and more especially
the elephants and cureloms and cumoms.
(Book of Mormon | Ether 9:19)
The above is concerning the Jaredites, the first inhabitants of what we call
North America after the global Deluge, their ancestors by the grace of God
having fleed the power of Nimrud (or Nimrod) at the tower of Babel with
their Noahite genes and towering physique and the pure language of Adam
intact. Ancient remains of mammoths and mastodons found all over North
America are sure evidences of this Book of Mormon account. (But only the
power of the Holy Ghost can truly prove to any individual that the Bible and
the Book of Mormon were written by Israelite servants of the Almighty God of
Noah and Shem.)
Pertaining to the towering physique of the Brother of Jared, as revealed to
the Prophet Art Bulla:
9 For this man, saith the Lord, I did make large in stature like unto them
of old, who were mighty men in the earth, and strong of sinew and bone and
whose constitution, saith the Lord, was mighty that they did live unto the
age of a tree in the life thereof and because of the constitution of that
body which I the Lord God did give unto them, they did stave off death, and
this because of their righteousness before me.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 6:9
***
The Daily Telegraph (Toronto, Ontario), Wednesday, August 23rd, 1871, page 1
A REMARKABLE SIGHT-- Two hundred skeletons of ANAKIN in Cayuga Township; A
singular discovery by a Torontonian and others-- A vast Golgotha opened to
view-- Some remains of the 'Giants that were in those days.' From our own
correspondents.
Cayuga, August 21-- "On Wednesday last, Rev. Nathaniel Wardell, Messers.
Orin Wardell (of Toronto), and Daniel Fredenburg, were digging on the farm
of the latter gentleman, which is on the banks of the Grand River, in the
township of Cayuga. When they got to five or six feet below the surface, a
strange sight met them. Piled in layers, one upon top of the other, some two
hundred skeletons of human beings nearly perfect-- around the neck of each
one being a string of beads. There were also deposited in this pit a number
of axes and skimmers made of stone. ... These skeletons are those of men of
gigantic stature, some of them measuring nine feet, very few of them being
less than seven feet. Some of the thigh bones were found to be at least a
foot longer than those at present known, and one of the skulls being
examined completely covered the head of an ordinary person. These skeletons
are supposed to belong to those of a race of people anterior to the Indians.
Some three years ago, the bones of a mastodon were found embedded in the
earth about six miles from this spot. ..."
Later: Dunnville, August 22,-"There is not the slightest doubt that the
remains of a lost city are on this farm. At various times within the past
years, the remains of mud houses with their chimneys had been found; and
there are dozens of pits of a similar kind to that just unearthed, though
much smaller, in the place which has been discovered before, though the fact
has not been made public hitherto. The remains of a blacksmith's shop,
containing two tons of charcoal and various implements, were turned up a few
months ago. The farm, which consists of 150 acres, has been cultivated for
nearly a century, and was covered with a thick growth of pine, so that it
must have been ages ago since the remains were deposited there. The skulls
of the skeletons are of an enormous size and all manner of shapes, about
half as large again as are now to be seen. The teeth in most of them are
still in almost perfect state of preservation, though they soon fall out
when exposed to the air. ... The skulls and bones of the giants are fast
disappearing, being taken away by curiosity hunters. It is the intention of
Mr. Fredinburg to cover the pit up very soon. The pit is ghastly in the
extreme. The farm is skirted on the north by the Grand River. ... From the
appearance of the skulls, it would seem that their possessors died a violent
death, as many of them were broken and dented. The axes are shaped like
tomahawks, small, but keen, instruments. ... Some people profess to believe
that the locality of Fredinburg farm was formally an Indian burial place,
but the enormous stature of the skeletons and the fact that pine trees of
centuries growth covered the spot goes far to disprove this idea."
***
--
8 ... when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
(New Testament | Luke 18:8)
Robert Weldon
> This is the voice I hear, once a voice that shook the ground in the
> presence of two sargents of the United States army, who if anything were
> antagonistic to the idea of anyone getting revelation from God. Were they
> paranoid schizophrenic also?
>
corroberation of this "event".
-religious crap and ridiculously large sig snipped.
Shane
> "Shane" <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1g8y07semvb3x$.j5kbeabs9kic$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:32:02 -0800, Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus taught that a man's enemies would be those of his own household.
>>
>> Fine, then why are you so agressive in response to peole who are not
>> your enemies?
>>
>
> 2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were SHAMEFULLY ENTREATED,
> as ye know, at Philippi, we were BOLD in our God to SPEAK unto you the
> GOSPEL of God with MUCH CONTENTION.
>
> (New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 2:2)
>
> Like Paul the Apostle, Art Bulla the Apostle is trying to get people to
> understand the truth. He's trying to save them from the devil and his
> angels. As with the Greeks of old, this is no easy task. As it is written,
>
> 6 ś Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is
> near:
>
> 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and
> let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our
> God, for he will abundantly pardon.
>
> 8 ś For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my
> ways, saith the LORD.
>
> (Old Testament | Isaiah 55:6 - 8)
None of which answers the question as to why Art is so agressive to
people who are not of his household, and therefore not his enemies.
>>> Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool.
> In
>>> fact it is a criterion to judge whether a man is warring the true
> Christian
>>> warfare. For if he is not persecuted you can be sure that he is not
> living
>>> "godly in Christ Jesus".
>>
>> Interesting theology, apparently Osama Bin Laden is living "Godly in
>> Christ Jesus. Yet a person who is following Jesus advice to live
>> peaceably with all men, and acheives it, is not.
>>
>> --
>> Shane
>> The truth wills et you free.
>>
>
> The 2+2=5 subjective truth of Evolution will set you free to be evil, like
> Osama.
But Art says Osama is not evil but living "godly in Christ Jesus".
None of which addresses the point I raised that according to Art,
Osama Bin Laden is living "Godly in Christ Jesus, while a person who
is following Jesus' advice to live peaceably with all men, and
acheives it, is not.
Why not address the substance of the post?
unrestra...@hotmail.com
Jong Kim wrote:
> "Shane" <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1g8y07semvb3x$.j5kbeabs9kic$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:32:02 -0800, Art Bulla wrote:
> >
> > > Jesus taught that a man's enemies would be those of his own household.
> >
> > Fine, then why are you so agressive in response to peole who are not
> > your enemies?
> >
>
<snip>
Ah. See, we secular humanists are handicapped; we don't have a bible to
give us permission to threaten other people. Curiously, my Christian
friends say the bible doesn't give *them permission to be rude, either.
>
> Like Paul the Apostle, Art Bulla the Apostle is trying to get people to
> understand the truth. He's trying to save them from the devil and his
> angels. As with the Greeks of old, this is no easy task. As it is written,
No he's not. He trying to grow a cult. He wants sex, money, and power.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
>
<snip>
>
> > > Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool.
> In
> > > fact it is a criterion to judge whether a man is warring the true
> Christian
> > > warfare. For if he is not persecuted you can be sure that he is not
> living
> > > "godly in Christ Jesus".
> >
> > Interesting theology, apparently Osama Bin Laden is living "Godly in
> > Christ Jesus. Yet a person who is following Jesus advice to live
> > peaceably with all men, and acheives it, is not.
> >
> > --
> > Shane
> > The truth wills et you free.
> >
>
> The 2+2=5 subjective truth of Evolution
Amusingly ironic here. You claim that visions only Art can hear is
objective, and you claim a model to explain data available to anyone is
subjective.
Is War also Peace, Ignorance Knowledge, and Freedom Slavery?
> will set you free to be evil, like Osama.
Chemistry sets me free to be shallow like Brittany.
Astrophysics sets me free to be greedy, like Scrooge.
Botany sets me free to run and play like Huckleberry!
>Throw out the garbage from any Dr. Strangelove that propagandizes
> Evolution.
Sure, OK.
> Dr. Richard Dawkins, etc. These are wolves in sheep's clothing.
> They are not interested at all in 2+2=4 objective truth, just in worldly
> honors and multiple uppers on their bank accounts. So that they can go
> "missing a lot" like the late George Best, one of the greatest soccer
> players ever as well as a notoriously profligate chap, whom Prime Minister
> Tony Blair called a "football genius".
>
> "I went missing a lot during my career. Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom,
> Miss World, all of them." George Best, the genius footballer from Northern
> Ireland.
>
> At least Bestie could thrill the masses and the royals with his amazing
> soccer skills (when he's not doing it with Stevie Nicks), but Dr. Dawkins
> has gotten the same gain without being useful in any way whatsoever to
> anyone.
>
Ummm...
<backs away slowly>
> ***
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
>
> He married Marian Stamp on August 19, 1967, but they divorced in 1984. On
> June 1 the same year, Dawkins married Eve Barham, by whom he had a daughter,
> Juliet, but they, too, divorced; she subsequently died. He married his third
> wife, actress Lalla Ward, in 1992, after having been introduced to her by
> Douglas Adams (who was a colleague of hers on the production team of Doctor
> Who; Dawkins and Adams had quickly become friends after he'd written a fan
> letter to Adams).
> ***
Ronald Reagan was married twice. Does that make him 2/3 as evil as
Dawkins, or one half (if the last wife doesn't count)? I was never good
at math...
>
> 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted
> after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with
> many sorrows.
>
> (New Testament | 1 Timothy 6:10)
So, you are saying that no evil comes from lust, or hatred, or
jealousy, or pride, of stubbornness, or gluttony, or anger?
The Love of Money only?
>
> --
> "We find that Anaximander of Miletus (611 B.C.-546 B.C.) advanced the
> traditional evolutionary idea, already quite common in his day, that life
> first evolved from a type of pre-biotic soup, helped along a bit by the rays
> of the sun. He believed that the first animals developed from sea slime
> which had been evaporated by the suns rays. He also believed that men were
> descended from fish.(9) ... 9. In Colliers Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, pp.480, in
> the article Evolution, William Stansfield wrote: 'The ancient Greek
> philosopher Anaximander is
> generally credited as being the earliest evolutionist.' " James M. Foard.
> "The Nebulous Hypothesis: A Study of the Philosophical and Historical
> Implications of Darwinian Theory" (1996)
Believe it or not, there have been some advances in evolutionary
science in the last 2,551 years.
>
> The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
> http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3
>
> http://www.artbulla.com
>
> Jong Kim
Kermit
RetroProphet
>> The Order was restored in modern times and a very large number
>> of Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have come and gone over
>> the course of nearly 175 years, but only a trifling number of
>> them could possibly have been killed by evil people before
>> having an opportunity to demonstrate their scientific prowess.
>>
>> How then to explain that as a group their record of scientific
>> achievement does not greatly exceed the norm? In fact, considering
>> that the past 175 years has been a period of unprecedented increase
>> in scientific knowledge, and yet scientific prowess may be
>> easily demonstrated to originate from people of all sorts,
>> including women, argues strongly against your premise.
>>
>
>4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the
>TIME of the END: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE
>INCREASED.
>
>(Old Testament | Daniel 12:4)
>
>In order for the Scriptural "fulness of the Gentiles" to be fulfilled in
>these the last days, the Lord Jesus led scientists, primarily of Europe and
>North America, by His Spirit (though they knew it not, for the most part) to
>develop physical sciences and genetic engineering as they stand now, so that
>Babylon the great is built up and thereby make full her cup of iniquity, and
>then shall the Lord return "as a thief in the night", the inhabitants of the
>earth having dwindled in unbelief, primarily because of the mentally
>debilitating sorcery of anti-Christ Evolutionism.
>
Again, you fail to present evidence of unusually astute
scientific knowledge among the Priests of the Order
of Melchizedec since the restoration in modern times
-- that was Art's premise, remember? It's the main point
of the thread he started.
Instead, now the story is that Lord Jesus led
NON-MELCHIZEDEC scientists to the advancements
of the past 175 years -- the opposite of Art's premise!
One of these advancements is Evolution, which stands
as firmly as any of the other scientific advances you
claim were revealed to NON-MELCHIZEDEC scientists
-- yet you proclaim it to be false.
You MELCHIZEDEC scientists cannot overturn it,
yet you proclaim it to be erroneous science.
You MELCHIZEDEC scientists, who are all privy
to all scientific knowledge and are in common
cause with Lord Jesus and directly inspired by
Lord Jesus, are stymied -- how can this be?
And stymied by "sorcery" no less! Scientists are
not stymied by sorcery -- but scientists who
supposedly get to crib from a deity are so stymied?
Finally, whose side is your Lord Jesus on?
You make it sound like Lord Jesus is more interested
in helping to create a predicted evil empire.
If man has been misled to believe in Evolution,
how is it not the fault of Lord Jesus for allowing
this supposed error to be continually reinforced
by more and more evidence...scientists don't hold
for Evolution being true because they are evil,
but because it makes sense of the evidence.
>
>> It is also curious, given the import you place on how
>> "Evolution" is not only bad science but also evil,
>> that Priests of the Order of Melchizedec have been
>> utterly unable to use their powers to fight this evil,
>> and overturn it with their indisputably correct science.
>>
>
>"Even so, come, Lord Jesus." John the Revelator. (Revelation 22:20)
>
>Darwinism has engendered the twin evils of Eugenics and Social Darwinism,
>and the rest is history, since the time of Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of
>Charles Darwin. Natural Selection is more correctly labeled Unnatural
>Selection, since the reality esp. in modern times has been a reduction of
>the diversity of species. The denizens of talk.origins are merely dupes,
>those that believe Evolution happened. Either that or some of them have axes
>to grind.
What on earth are you talking about?
Do you even read what you are responding to?
You are the most brain-washed person I have ever
discoursed with; you repeat mantra-like statements
and don't even attempt to use reason to craft a
rebuttal. You substitute slogans for thought.
YOU do not BELIEVE Evolution happens, but Evolution
is not a theological doctrine to be believed or not;
it is an observable phenomenon, and by the way, one
that you don't really have a firm understanding of,
and you recast what it actually posits as if you were
mischaracterizing a rival religious doctrine. This is
priestcrafting, not science.
Further,
Evolution is NOT falsified by denouncing Eugenics.
Evolution is NOT falsified by denouncing Social Darwinism.
Evolution can only be falsified by overturning it on
the scientific merits -- and if the Priests of the Order
of Melchizedec are unable to do this, I don't see why
anybody in their right mind would accept the claims
that you and Art make here on their behalf.
And, if they can't do this, why shouldn't one conclude
that Evolution is one of the true science revelations
bestowed by Lord Jesus along with all the others that
still stand as true -- for indeed you are as unable
to overturn it as you are unable to overturn electricity,
radio & television transmission, and nuclear power.
RetroProphet
Art's own response; your defense
of the claims he made is poor if
not non-existent.
John Manning
> This fellow is a liar.
Nope. These quotes can be found by doing a
search in Google Groups in alt.religion.mormon.
Taoshan
> Jesus taught that a man's enemies would be those of his own household.
> Jesus is own brothers and sisters thought he was "wacko" as well, fool.
Would that be the same Jesus who taught this?
'But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you
will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you
will be liable to the council; and if you say, 'You fool,' you will
be liable to the hell of fire.' (Matthew 5.22)