Any guesses on who molested Marie Osmond?
R. L. Measures
that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
--
- Rich... 805.386.3734.
www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
Kimberly Harrington
I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help. What
would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group, country,
community.... and so forth. *shrug*
K Harrington
Kimberly Harrington
I have been MUDDing off and on for ten years. I have yet to find other
mormons who are also mudders. Are you out there?
K Harrington
Margareta Jansson
tell everyone who it was,let it be then. Some girls,that have been raped,
are in a way ashamed and very often blame themselves for the incident.
Margareta Jansson
Kimberly Harrington skrev i meddelandet <3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu>...
Bill Williams
"Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> Good Morning.
>
> I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
> molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
> putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
What
> would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
> exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group,
country,
> community.... and so forth. *shrug*
Something IS gained by reporting such offenses to the authorities, in
particular to the police. That way the person may be prosecuted, and
prevented from committing such crimes in the future. Bad things happen,
sure, but why not reduce them as much as possible?
Bill Williams
Jim Allison
MUDDers? Is that like playing those "Multi User Dungeon" type games? If
so, I used to play Medievia for a while, but lost interest in it. I do alot
of StarCraft now, also got hooked on Mankind.
Nathan Packer
<catl...@worldonline.se> wrote:
> Please,do not accuse anyone without proof. And if she not come forward and
>tell everyone who it was,let it be then. Some girls,that have been raped,
>are in a way ashamed and very often blame themselves for the incident.
>Margareta Jansson
I sometimes feel the lone skeptic when it comes to these suddenly
remembered/voiced tales of molestation. I cannot say that Marie was
not molested, but until the time and the place is determined and
somehow the man confesses - or there is other corroborating evidence,
this is possibly the imaginings of a sometimes distressed woman.
>Kimberly Harrington skrev i meddelandet <3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu>...
>>Good Morning.
>>
>>I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
>>molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
>>putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
>What
>>would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
>>exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group,
>country,
>>community.... and so forth. *shrug*
>>
>>K Harrington
>>
>>"R. L. Measures" wrote:
>>
>>> Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
>>> that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
>>> pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Rich... 805.386.3734.
>>> www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
>>
>
>
Nathan (I think, therefore, I must be around here someplace) Packer
Glenn Thigpen
> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> > Good Morning.
> >
> > I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
> > molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
> > putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
> What
> > would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
> > exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group,
> country,
> > community.... and so forth. *shrug*
>
> Something IS gained by reporting such offenses to the authorities, in
> particular to the police. That way the person may be prosecuted, and
> prevented from committing such crimes in the future. Bad things happen,
> sure, but why not reduce them as much as possible?
>
> Bill Williams
However, until Marie does do so, is it not irresponsible for anyone to start
guessing whom it might be? What does that help?
Glenn
Tim Heise
Bigelow
Nathan Packer <nat...@tctc.com> wrote in message
news:3ace3dfa...@news.tctc.com...
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:31:34 +0200, "Margareta Jansson"
> <catl...@worldonline.se> wrote:
>
> > Please,do not accuse anyone without proof. And if she not come forward
and
> >tell everyone who it was,let it be then. Some girls,that have been raped,
> >are in a way ashamed and very often blame themselves for the incident.
> >Margareta Jansson
>
> I sometimes feel the lone skeptic when it comes to these suddenly
> remembered/voiced tales of molestation. I cannot say that Marie was
> not molested, but until the time and the place is determined and
> somehow the man confesses - or there is other corroborating evidence,
> this is possibly the imaginings of a sometimes distressed woman.
On the other hand, if she was molested, it can partially explain some of her
poor choices and later overcompensation for them. It would help explain some
of her personal relationship problems in her past. Not that I know anything
more about her than what is reported on the news or what she has come out
and stated publicly.
>
> >Kimberly Harrington skrev i meddelandet <3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu>...
> >>Good Morning.
> >>
> >>I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
> >>molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
> >>putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
> >What
> >>would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad
people
> >>exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group,
> >country,
> >>community.... and so forth. *shrug*
> >>
> >>K Harrington
> >>
> >>"R. L. Measures" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She
says
> >>> that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> >>> pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> - Rich... 805.386.3734.
> >>> www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> Nathan (I think, therefore, I must be around here someplace) Packer
Posted from NetWORLD Connections, Inc.
Evert van Dijk
find a good MUD that also has a good ping to Perth, Western Australia
Feel free to recommend one, I might just meet you there
Evert
R. L. Measures
<harr...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> Good Morning.
>
> I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
> molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it.
€ Kimberly -- Were you a child when the rape occurred?
>Then I went about
> putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
€ I know of no case where a rapist changed hobbies.
>What would be gained by pointing the finger?
€ Possibly, publicity for god's one true church.
> For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
> exist.
€ Alas.
cheers
R. L. Measures
Jansson" <catl...@worldonline.se> wrote:
> Please,do not accuse anyone without proof. And if she not come forward and
> tell everyone who it was,let it be then.
€ The guilty party deserves to be exposed.
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
€ There must be a reason why she is protecting the guilty. In the RCC,
children are taught that they will burn in Hell for reporting a pedophile
priest.
cheers, Glenn
R. L. Measures
<tbh...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> What if it was Donny? I don't think so.......
\
€ Donny is a family member.
Clovis Lark
Rugger Resigns Over Rectal Fouls
Matt Alsdorf, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network
Wednesday, April 4, 2001 / 05:51 PM
Digital penetration of opposing players while on the field was
deemed "unsportsmanlike interference" by Australian rugby's
governing body, and the offending player has been forced to
resign.
An Australian pro rugby player who resigned this weekend after
being caught sticking his finger in opposing players' anuses
during a match is now considering taking legal action against
the New Zealand Cancer Society (NZCS) for using his picture in
an advertisement for prostate cancer checks.
John Hopoate, a winger for the Australian National Rugby
League's West Tigers club, received a 12-week suspension from
the NRL judiciary last week for "unsportsmanlike interference"
with three North Queensland players whom he digitally
penetrated. The Associated Press reported that the resignation
came after team management met to consider calls for his
removal.
Hopoate said he believed his decision was in the best interest
of the club and its fans, according to Agence France Presse. "I
sincerely regret that anything I may have done has caused
stress, anxiety and disappointment to everyone involved with the
West Tigers," AFP quoted Hopoate as saying in a statement he
released through his manager.
NZCS took out an advertisement in New Zealand's The Dominion
newspaper with a color close-up of Hopoate apparently sticking
his finger in North Queensland captain Paul Bowman's anus.
According to the Australian Associated Press (AAP), the
accompanying text reads, "A bloke's chances of developing
prostate cancer increases as he gets older. If you have symptoms
that you're concerned about, consult your local doctor. It won't
hurt a bit -- promise."
The AAP reports that Hopoate and his manager say they were not
consulted by NZCS about use of the image and are "looking at the
legal ramifications." NRL chief executive David Moffett said the
ad was "appalling."
But NZCS's Roger Taylor was quoted by New Zealand's One News as
saying, "It's a difficult message to get across for a difficult
disease ... and we felt our normal health promotion doesn't work
that well and that this was a topical issue that would perhaps
get it out there."
According to AFP, Hopoate, a 27-year-old teetotalling Mormon
father of five, had faced the NRL's disciplinary commission
seven times in the past four years, primarily for fighting.
Clovis Lark
> In article <3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu>, Kimberly Harrington
> <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>> Good Morning.
>>
>> I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
>> molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it.
Good, so far.
> € Kimberly -- Were you a child when the rape occurred?
>>Then I went about
>> putting my life, slowly, back together.
Also good.
>> I hope that he has sought help.
Bad. You think he thinks like you? Big mistake.
> € I know of no case where a rapist changed hobbies.
>>What would be gained by pointing the finger?
Stopping other women from having to put their lives back together like you
did?
> € Possibly, publicity for god's one true church.
>> For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
>> exist.
Sure they do. Passivity gives them a full field to play in. Lots of
other get to "put their lives back together". A terrible sentence from
someone who's been there already. Your personal experience and strength
are not the general rule. YOu will hear that minute group of ex-heroin
users who kicked the habit and got back into mainstream life sucessfully
make the same type of argument concerning the vast majority who are
hooked. In both cases, a nightmare continues via passive response and
future victims will have their lives turned inside out. Accepting "bad
people"'s behavior ain't going to cut the mustard.
CommUnitarian
meas...@vcnet.com (R. L. Measures) writes:
>Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
>that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
>pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>
>--
>- Rich... 805.386.3734.
Being that the population of Utah contains a significant nonLDS contingent, it
is just as possible to create innuendo that Marie was molested by a protestant.
I just hope you never lived anywhere near Utah, Rich, if you believe the
mystery will be solved by innuendo. The proud inventor of the guillotine died
on it.
Raleigh
Do you see persons wise in their own eyes?
There is more hope for fools than for them.
--Proverbs 26:12 NRSV
TheJordan6
>Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 18:13 EDT
>Message-id: <3ace3dfa...@news.tctc.com>
>
>On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:31:34 +0200, "Margareta Jansson"
><catl...@worldonline.se> wrote:
>
>> Please,do not accuse anyone without proof. And if she not come forward and
>>tell everyone who it was,let it be then. Some girls,that have been raped,
>>are in a way ashamed and very often blame themselves for the incident.
>>Margareta Jansson
>
>I sometimes feel the lone skeptic when it comes to these suddenly
>remembered/voiced tales of molestation. I cannot say that Marie was
>not molested, but until the time and the place is determined and
>somehow the man confesses - or there is other corroborating evidence,
>this is possibly the imaginings of a sometimes distressed woman.
Or of a woman whose talk show was canceled, so she had time to write a book
about herself that would sell enough copies to keep her in the news and the
dough for another couple of years.
Randy J.
TheJordan6
>Date: Sat, Apr 7, 2001 09:27 EDT
>Message-id: <20010407092737...@nso-fm.news.cs.com>
>
>In article <meas+ures-060...@port48.dial.vcnet.com>,
>meas...@vcnet.com (R. L. Measures) writes:
>
>>Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
>>that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
>>pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>>
>>--
>>- Rich... 805.386.3734.
>
>Being that the population of Utah contains a significant nonLDS contingent,
>it
>is just as possible to create innuendo that Marie was molested by a
>protestant.
Yeah, maybe Andy Williams caressed her a little too fondly while she was
sitting on his lap singing that song when she was 3. He did seem to have a
wicked grin on his face at the time. I'd say that the evidence pretty much
cinches it---Andy Williams, proven pedophile.
Randy J.
TheJordan6
>Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
>Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
By recounting the alleged experience, Marie herself is responsible for
speculation as to the perpetrator. She has made certain statements as to who
the perp was or wasn't, so that naturally narrows the list of suspects down
somewhat. Seeing as how Mormons, especially those in Utah in the 1960's,
including the Osmonds, were an extremely cloistered society, it stands to
reason that the perp was likely a Mormon. He didn't have to be a "leader,"
just someone who had access to her for whatever period of time.
By alleging the incident without naming the perp, the relatives and friends of
every man who was an adult in Marie Osmond's childhood experience will now
wonder if he was "the one."
Randy J.
Robert Crawford
do not want help, they just want it over. Once it is over they see no
compelling reason to re-surface the issue. In my case it has been
almost 30 years and I sure as hell do not want anything to do with this
person, not even to bring charges. I would expect others feel the
same.
CommUnitarian
(TheJordan6) writes:
>By recounting the alleged experience, Marie herself is responsible for
>speculation as to the perpetrator. She has made certain statements as to who
>the perp was or wasn't, so that naturally narrows the list of suspects down
>somewhat. Seeing as how Mormons, especially those in Utah in the 1960's,
>including the Osmonds, were an extremely cloistered society, it stands to
>reason that the perp was likely a Mormon. He didn't have to be a "leader,"
>just someone who had access to her for whatever period of time.
>
>By alleging the incident without naming the perp, the relatives and friends
>of
>every man who was an adult in Marie Osmond's childhood experience will now
>wonder if he was "the one."
>
>Randy J.
When Marie says she was molested, the prejudice of the human mind never
supposes for once that the perpetrator might have been a female, any more than
a southern jury would believe that any rape had ever been committed by a white
man.
Don Johnson's baby-sitter committed statutory rape of him when he was 14, and
the perverseness of our times has him still believing in middle age that he
"got lucky."
Innuendo is like throwing a croquet ball up into the stands at a stadium.
It is unfair because the folks in the lower seats have a better chance of being
hit, and the lower they sit, the greater the damage is likely to be. It is
inequality at its worst.
Glenn Thigpen
> In article <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill Williams wrote:
> >
> > > "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> > > > Good Morning.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the curriosity however some people don't reveal their
> > > > molesters. I was raped six years ago. I reported it. Then I went about
> > > > putting my life, slowly, back together. I hope that he has sought help.
> > > What
> > > > would be gained by pointing the finger? For me? Well, nothing. Bad people
> > > > exist. Bad things happen. In every culture, religion, ethnic group,
> > > country,
> > > > community.... and so forth. *shrug*
> > >
> > > Something IS gained by reporting such offenses to the authorities, in
> > > particular to the police. That way the person may be prosecuted, and
> > > prevented from committing such crimes in the future. Bad things happen,
> > > sure, but why not reduce them as much as possible?
> > >
> > > Bill Williams
> >
> > However, until Marie does do so, is it not irresponsible for anyone
> to start
> > guessing whom it might be? What does that help?
> >
> ? There must be a reason why she is protecting the guilty. In the RCC,
> children are taught that they will burn in Hell for reporting a pedophile
> priest.
>
> cheers, Glenn
Rich, you do not know that her reason is to protect the guilty. Whatever your
persona; biases are against the LDS or RCC, you have nothing substantial on which
to base your speculation. What do you REALLY know? Nothing more than what you have
heard. There are no cheers on this one Rich.
Please think about this a bit.
Glenn
Glenn Thigpen
>
I know very little about Marie's childhood life, however knowing of the
publicity that has surrounded the OSmonds for so many years, one would hardly cme
to the conclusion that her life would have been of the cloistered variety. It
was Rich who was speculating about it being an LDS leader, with absolutely no
basis on which to extend this juicy tidbit for others to pounce on,. That is my
point, that such speculation is irresponsible.
>
>
> By alleging the incident without naming the perp, the relatives and friends of
> every man who was an adult in Marie Osmond's childhood experience will now
> wonder if he was "the one."
>
> Randy J.
That may or may not be true. Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
Glenn
Bill Williams
"Glenn Thigpen" <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote in message
news:3AD081D9...@beaufortco.com...
The original story on this is a bit of a mystery to me. Instead of Marie
announcing to the world that she had been molested but refusing to name the
molester, it would have made more sense if she had privately reported the
matter to the authorities, AND to the church, if some member was involved.
What was achieved by the approach she used?
Bill Williams
Bill Williams
"Robert Crawford" <rob...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:3ACFE629...@snowcrest.net...
> Some people just want it over, they do not want to talk about it, they
> do not want help, they just want it over. Once it is over they see no
> compelling reason to re-surface the issue.
But then why put it in a book, which is promoted to go to as many people as
possible?
Bill Williams
FAWNSCRIBE
to.Maybe she will come forth later on this stuff..some of these women do
eventually..if she was molested rest assured those who were in contact with her
are probably quaking in their boots....I have never been in her situation thank
God, but know women who have...and sometimes it takes YEARS for them to come
forth with all the information after counseling...ESPECIALLY if the person was
an authority figure in their life.
She has excluded family already.
Id say just pray if it happened as she says..then the one who did it gets
brought to justice no matter WHO they are ( I am NO advocate of keeping stuff
like this hush hush to keep a nice PR going)....if it didnt? And say she is
just going for more news to gain sympathy for a failed career?
That probably will come out too.
Either way...to speculate ad nauseum on what could have been a painful
experience for her is just gossip
Fawn
TheJordan6
>Date: 4/8/2001 12:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010408002227...@nso-cd.news.cs.com>
>
>In article <20010407233813...@ng-ci1.aol.com>, thejo...@aol.com
>(TheJordan6) writes:
>
>>By recounting the alleged experience, Marie herself is responsible for
>>speculation as to the perpetrator. She has made certain statements as to who
>>the perp was or wasn't, so that naturally narrows the list of suspects down
>>somewhat. Seeing as how Mormons, especially those in Utah in the 1960's,
>>including the Osmonds, were an extremely cloistered society, it stands to
>>reason that the perp was likely a Mormon. He didn't have to be a "leader,"
>>just someone who had access to her for whatever period of time.
>>
>>By alleging the incident without naming the perp, the relatives and friends
>>of
>>every man who was an adult in Marie Osmond's childhood experience will now
>>wonder if he was "the one."
>>
>>Randy J.
>
>
> When Marie says she was molested, the prejudice of the human mind never
>supposes for once that the perpetrator might have been a female, any more
>than
>a southern jury would believe that any rape had ever been committed by a
>white
>man.
Are you implying that dear old Sister Glissmeyer---the "sweet-spirited" Primary
pianist who never married, because she couldn't find a mate who was "just
right" for her---might have been Marie's molester?
>Don Johnson's baby-sitter committed statutory rape of him when he was 14, and
>the perverseness of our times has him still believing in middle age that he
>"got lucky."
Yeah, well, the same thing happened to Kirk Douglas, and he seemed pretty
satisfied with the situation, as I speculate most 14-year-old boys would,
depending on what the babysitter looked like. :-)
Randy J.
TheJordan6
>> >start
>> >guessing whom it might be? What does that help?
>> >
>> >Glenn
>>
>> By recounting the alleged experience, Marie herself is responsible for
>> speculation as to the perpetrator. She has made certain statements as to
>who
>> the perp was or wasn't, so that naturally narrows the list of suspects down
>> somewhat. Seeing as how Mormons, especially those in Utah in the 1960's,
>> including the Osmonds, were an extremely cloistered society, it stands to
>> reason that the perp was likely a Mormon. He didn't have to be a "leader,"
>> just someone who had access to her for whatever period of time.
> I know very little about Marie's childhood life, however knowing of the
>publicity that has surrounded the OSmonds for so many years, one would hardly
>cme
>to the conclusion that her life would have been of the cloistered variety.
Much has been written about the Osmonds' childhood years, and it is obvious
that their lives were centered around LDS activity, as most Utah Mormon
childrens' were. I would estimate that in the 1960's, Orem, Utah was about 80
or 90% Mormon, so it's not a stretch to speculate that the perp was a Mormon.
>It
>was Rich who was speculating about it being an LDS leader, with absolutely no
>basis on which to extend this juicy tidbit for others to pounce on. That is
>my
>point, that such speculation is irresponsible.
About one-third of all LDS men eventually become some sort of "leader" on the
ward or stake level, so it's not stretching things to speculate that her
molester may have indeed been a "church leader," whether he was a stake
president or a ward executive secretary. And of course, local LDS leaders are
installed and released on a regular basis, so someone who is a lowly nobody one
week can be a "leader" the next.
Surely you don't believe that local LDS church leaders are immune from
committing sexual sins. If you do, you might be the most naive person on the
planet (after Woody, that is.)
>> By alleging the incident without naming the perp, the relatives and friends
>of
>> every man who was an adult in Marie Osmond's childhood experience will now
>> wonder if he was "the one."
>>
>> Randy J.
> That may or may not be true. Again my point is that it is irresponsible
>for
>anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
>
>Glenn
And again, my point is that Marie made the allegation (conveniently to sell a
new book), so she is responsible for any speculation arising from it. If she
hadn't wanted any speculation, she shouldn't have teased her fans and potential
book buyers with the allegation.
Randy J.
CommUnitarian
(TheJordan6) writes:
>
>Yeah, well, the same thing happened to Kirk Douglas, and he seemed pretty
>satisfied with the situation, as I speculate most 14-year-old boys would,
>depending on what the babysitter looked like. :-)
>
>Randy J.
So the crime committed by Marie's molester boils down to this: she didn't
enjoy it. My God, most of the husbands of the women I work with should be in
jail, considering how they describe their marital relations.
Kimberly Harrington
I look for them as well. But I have found some wonderful friends at
dino.idyllmtn.com 6250
It is filled with crass dinos and very little role playing. It is the only
one I hang out on now, though
Kimberly
R. L. Measures
grale...@cs.comRLDS (CommUnitarian) wrote:
> In article <meas+ures-060...@port48.dial.vcnet.com>,
> meas...@vcnet.com (R. L. Measures) writes:
>
> >Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
> >that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> >pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
> >
> >--
> >- Rich... 805.386.3734.
>
> Being that the population of Utah contains a significant nonLDS contingent, it
> is just as possible to create innuendo that Marie was molested by a
protestant....
€ I doubt that Marie would have been trained to withold incriminating
info about members of other churches.
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> "R. L. Measures" wrote:
>
> > In article <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>........
> Rich, you do not know that her reason is to protect the guilty.
* However, we know for sure that she protects the guilty.
> Whatever your
> persona; biases are against the LDS or RCC, you have nothing substantial
on which
> to base your speculation. What do you REALLY know?
€ I know what molestees of RCC priests have told me. In both the RC
and LDS churches, children are trained to not report molestation by
higher-ups.
> Nothing more than what you have
> heard. There are no cheers on this one Rich.
€ amen.
> Please think about this a bit.
>
€ I did. My younger brother was molested by two females in my family.
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> TheJordan6 wrote:
>
> > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
> > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
> > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
> > >
> > >Bill Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> > >> > Good Morning.
> > >> >......
> ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
> anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
>
€ The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
Clovis Lark
>> TheJordan6 wrote:
>>
>> > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
>> > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
>> > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
>> > >
>> > >Bill Williams wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
>> > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
>> > >> > Good Morning.
>> > >> >......
>> ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
>> anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
>>
> € The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
> things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
R. L. Measures
<cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> R. L. Measures <meas...@vcnet.com> wrote:
> > In article <3AD0844A...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>
> >> TheJordan6 wrote:
> >>
> >> > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
> >> > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
> >> > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
> >> > >
> >> > >Bill Williams wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> >> > >> > Good Morning.
> >> > >> >......
> >> ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
> >> anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
> >>
> > € The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
> > things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
>
> In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
>
€ Good point. The burn in Hell angle is unique to organized religions,
Bigelow
admitted to living in the Provo area.
R. L. Measures <meas...@vcnet.com> wrote in message
news:meas+ures-060...@port48.dial.vcnet.com...
> Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
> that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>
> --
> - Rich... 805.386.3734.
> www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
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Glenn Thigpen
> In article <3AD081D9...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>
> > "R. L. Measures" wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> > > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> >........
> > Rich, you do not know that her reason is to protect the guilty.
>
> * However, we know for sure that she protects the guilty.
>
> > Whatever your
> > persona; biases are against the LDS or RCC, you have nothing substantial
> on which
> > to base your speculation. What do you REALLY know?
>
> ? I know what molestees of RCC priests have told me. In both the RC
> and LDS churches, children are trained to not report molestation by
> higher-ups.
I do not know about the RCC Rich. But that is not true of the LDS Church.
>
>
> > Nothing more than what you have
> > heard. There are no cheers on this one Rich.
>
> ? amen.
>
> > Please think about this a bit.
> >
> ? I did. My younger brother was molested by two females in my family.
>
> cheers, Glenn
How is speculation about who might have been the perpetrator going to help
either your brother or Marie? It may possibly be as you say, and then it just
as well may not be. Casting aspersions without any evidence helps no one and
quite possibly could hurt some innocent people.
Glenn
Glenn Thigpen
> In article <3AD0844A...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>
> > TheJordan6 wrote:
> >
> > > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
> > > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
> > > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
> > > >
> > > >Bill Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> > > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> > > >> > Good Morning.
> > > >> >......
> > ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
> > anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
> >
> ? The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
> things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
>
> cheers, Glenn
Undoubtedly? If you know that to be the truth, please turn in those who
teach such.
Glenn
Glenn Thigpen
> In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
Clovis, I do not think that is really true in today's society. I do agree
that such was probably the case up until maybe the eighties when so many
cases were exposed. And along with that exposure, were some innocent people
who got caught up in a general abuse hysteria.
Glenn
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> "R. L. Measures" wrote:
>
> > In article <3AD081D9...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "R. L. Measures" wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> > > > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> > >........
> > > Rich, you do not know that her reason is to protect the guilty.
> >
> > * However, we know for sure that she protects the guilty.
> >
> > > Whatever your
> > > persona; biases are against the LDS or RCC, you have nothing substantial
> > on which
> > > to base your speculation. What do you REALLY know?
> >
> > ? I know what molestees of RCC priests have told me. In both the RC
> > and LDS churches, children are trained to not report molestation by
> > higher-ups.
>
> I do not know about the RCC Rich. But that is not true of the LDS Church.
>
€ You have heard of cases where pedophilia by a leader was discussed
freely?..
> >
....>
> How is speculation about who might have been the perpetrator going to help
> either your brother or Marie?
€ Nothing can erase the misfortunate events of the past. However, talking
helps.
>:It may possibly be as you say, and then it just
> as well may not be. Casting aspersions without any evidence helps no one and
> quite possibly could hurt some innocent people.
>
€ I mentioned no name.
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
€ Oral teachings without videotape are not evidence. The RCC privately
teaches children not to talk about priestly pedophilia.
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> who got caught up in a general.
€ "abuse hysteria": Abusers' favorite line of defence.
Clovis Lark
> In article <9avcvj$3tr$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, Clovis Lark
> <cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>> R. L. Measures <meas...@vcnet.com> wrote:
>> > In article <3AD0844A...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
>> > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> TheJordan6 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
>> >> > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
>> >> > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Bill Williams wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
>> >> > >> > Good Morning.
>> >> > >> >......
>> >> ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
>> >> anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
>> >>
>> > € The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
>> > things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
>>
>> In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
>>
> € Good point. The burn in Hell angle is unique to organized religions,
It ain't fer nuthin' that socials feature fried chickin...
Clovis Lark
Even today, exposure of such acts is difficult because of the taboo nature
of the subject. You are left with non-reporting or hysterical false
claims by the paranoid. Kids involved with sex abuse are at the mercy of
an authority figure and obedience is the norm.
> Glenn
R. L. Measures
<cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> R. L. Measures <meas...@vcnet.com> wrote:
> > In article <9avcvj$3tr$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, Clovis Lark
> > <cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> >> R. L. Measures <meas...@vcnet.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <3AD0844A...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> >> > <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> TheJordan6 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > >From: Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com>
> >> >> > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001 20:43 EDT
> >> >> > >Message-id: <3ACE62B6...@beaufortco.com>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Bill Williams wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> "Kimberly Harrington" <harr...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> >> >> > >> news:3ACDEAC6...@purdue.edu...
> >> >> > >> > Good Morning.
> >> >> > >> >......
> >> >> ..... Again my pointis that it is irresponsible for
> >> >> anyone to start proffering baseless speculation.
> >> >>
> >> > € The lds church undoubtedly trains children not to talk about such
> >> > things when a lds church leader is the perpetrator. .
> >>
> >> In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
> >>
> > € Good point. The burn in Hell angle is unique to organized religions,
>
> It ain't fer nuthin' that socials feature fried chickin...
>
€ I think I'm gonna throw up.
cheers, Clovis
R. L. Measures
<cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> Glenn Thigpen <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
> > Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> >> In truth, society in general trains children not to report such assaults.
>
> > Clovis, I do not think that is really true in today's society. I do agree
> > that such was probably the case up until maybe the eighties when so many
> > cases were exposed. And along with that exposure, were some innocent people
> > who got caught up in a general abuse hysteria.
>
> Even today, exposure of such acts is difficult because of the taboo nature
> of the subject.
€ When the perpetrator provides food and shelter, the molestee is unlikely
to talk to child protective services.
> You are left with non-reporting or hysterical false
> claims by the paranoid. Kids involved with sex abuse are at the mercy of
> an authority figure and obedience is the norm.
€ alas
Glenn Thigpen
> >:It may possibly be as you say, and then it just
> > as well may not be. Casting aspersions without any evidence helps no one and
> > quite possibly could hurt some innocent people.
> >
It was the very pointed speculation about LDS leaders that I was referring to.
Rich, I am all for anyone who has ever been molested in coming forward and
naming the person(s) involved and that justice be served upon such. It is good
that young children learn what to do at an early age if someone does try to molest
them. Sometimes though the person that should be doing the teaching is the one who
is doing the molesting. Prefessional counseling for those who have been molested,
in my opinion, is the best place to talk about it.
I don't think that it is a good thing for anyone to come forward and tell of
molestation in a public forum without naming the perpretrator and being ready to
follow up. Suspicions and speculation are bound to jump up. Private counseling,
again in my opinion, would be the better way to go if the victim does not want to
name the perpretrator.
Using this n.g. as a forum to discuss the evils of child molestation is not a
bad thing. Making pointed, baseless speculations, in my opinion, is not a good
thing.
Glenn
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
€ So you figure Marie might be trying to protect a Buddist priest?
Glenn Thigpen
>
> ? So you figure Marie might be trying to protect a Buddist priest?
I have no idea whom she might be trying to protect. I could give a long list of
possibilities. But it would be pointless, because I have no credible information
for any who would be on the list.
Glenn
R. L. Measures
<glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
€ Marie was inculcated by only one organized religion.
SatanBoy
or that stake president, some even say that lil' Marie was Gordon B's
sex slave during his wild-and-crazie whorehouse days (see John Manning
for confirmation.) I say, we ALL molested Marie Osmond. Marie was
molested in our place for us, her tight little pink places were
mercilessly probed and penetrated for OUR sins as a generation! Let us
give thanks for the wondrous mercy of the Lord.
Glenn Thigpen
> In article <3AD643C8...@beaufortco.com>, Glenn Thigpen
> <glen...@beaufortco.com> wrote:
>
> > "R. L. Measures" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ? So you figure Marie might be trying to protect a Buddist priest?
> >
> > I have no idea whom she might be trying to protect. I could give a
> long list of
> > possibilities. But it would be pointless, because I have no credible
> information
> > for any who would be on the list.
> >
> ? Marie was inculcated by only one organized religion.
Inculcation, is not molestation.
Glenn
R. L. Measures
Glenn Thigpen
>
> >
> ? Arghh
Anyone know the Heimlich maneuver? Rich seems to be choking?
Glenn
veggi...@gmail.com
JOHNJA...@outlook.com
> Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
> that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>
Dan
JOHNJA...@outlook.com
> What if it was Donny? I don't think so.......
> "R. L. Measures" wrote:
>
> > Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
> > that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> > pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
> >
> > --
> > - Rich... 805.386.3734.
> > www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
JOHNJA...@outlook.com
> Marie says she was sexually molested when she was growing up. She says
> that the molestor was not a family member. Why doesn't she expose the
> pedophile? Perhaps the pedophile is a leader in the one true church?
>
> --
> - Rich... 805.386.3734.
> www.vcnet.com/measures, remove plus from adr.
