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Tom McDaniels

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:28:21 PM11/21/09
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It has come to my attention that there still exists a large knowledge
gap among some bozos as to the differences of meat vs. metal. While I
can see that the similar beginning letter sounds might cause some
initial confusion, I had hoped that classes would continue during my
absence.
Alas, it appears as if there has been no substitute teachers around
these parts lately.
HOWEVER! You are in luck! I have made arrangements for my regular
students to begin basic primary color identification with another so
that I may be available for your lesson today.

Lesson 1- Section 4
Metal: A substance that is inedible to most organic life forms upon
this planet. (Urth) There is a rumor that life forms outside this
system can safely digest some metals but that rumor is, to date,
completely unsubstantiated. Unless of course you ask Larry King. Larry
may not be able to substantiate the rumors but he can discuss how to
blend in a metal eating world using fashion tips gained from Michael
Jackson & Paris Hilton interviews.
Meat: A horrible, red, oozing and smelly substance which comprises
the majority of organic Urth life forms strung together over a
complex system of even grosser tendons and grosser than gross skeletal
bones. Inexplicably, some of these meat covered organic forms don’t
seem to mind eating other organic meat forms. But at this point we
enter into the rather sensitive topic of cannibalism which is a
lesson for another day and will be covered in: “ Low Carb Cooking &
Cannibalism”, scheduled for the Spring Semester to run concurrently
with :
The Abacus”: Counting from 1 through 10”.
Here is your 10 question quiz. Complete it in the remaining 5
classroom minutes and lay it face down on the empty desk as you leave
the room.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

--Kinder student: My head is gonna 'slode!
Me: Okay. Just don't make a mess.
------------sound of crickets-----------------
Kids are such liars.

pete

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Nov 21, 2009, 11:51:19 PM11/21/09
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Tom McDaniels wrote:

> the differences of meat vs. metal.

> Lesson 1- Section 4
> Metal:

> Meat: A horrible, red,

Seriously, that color in meat, comes from iron.

--
pete

TimC

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Nov 22, 2009, 12:27:57 AM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Tom McDaniels (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> It has come to my attention that there still exists a large knowledge
> gap among some bozos as to the differences of meat vs. metal.

... snip lessons ...

So which is Meat Terri and which is Robot Terri?

--
TimC
"American 999, Heathrow Approach. Descend and maintain 4,000 feet, QNH 1011."
"Uhhh Heathrow Approach, could you give us that in inches?"
"American 999, descend and maintain 48,000 inches, QNH 1011." --ptomblin in ASR

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:26:31 AM11/22/09
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I'm skeptical. Iron is grey when unrusted, and, well, rust-colored
when it _is_ rusted. So how can I believe that bright red color comes
from iron?

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:37:38 AM11/22/09
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A-HA!

"The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Hemoglobin)

I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-
founded.

TimC

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:38:32 AM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22, Piet de Arcilla (aka Bruce)

was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

And Mars is red because of all the mudcrabs that are teaming on the
Martian beaches.

--
TimC
> Time is nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't happen at once.
And space is so that it doesn't all happen to you.
-- Matthew L. Martin and John D Salt in ARK

Mark

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:28:17 AM11/22/09
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On Nov 21, 8:28 pm, Tom McDaniels <ptui.terring...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It has come to my attention that there still exists a large knowledge
> gap among some bozos as to the differences of meat vs.  metal.


A blacksmith beats metal.

----
Mark

David DeLaney

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:56:13 AM11/22/09
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Piet de Arcilla <dear...@gmail.com> wrote:

You knew someone was gonna point this out:

>the porphyrin moiety

BAND NAAAAAAME!

>I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-founded.

Hemoglobin is a molecule that's actually not that different from chlorophyll,
which slurps up, and later spits out, the oxygen molecules. It's made up of
four pieces that fold together like origami, which was illustrated with
colored ribbons in the very Wikipedia article you GOT the phrase from, over
on the right side. It's apparently called a moiety when it's flat... and the
meaning of THAT is, "it's love makes the world go round!" ... er, I mean, that
the color's from the molecule surrounding the iron atom trapped at the center,
not from the iron atom itself, which is sitting there ionized (not ironized,
nor yet ironicized).

Dave "and yes, I changed a that to a which while writing. Pedantry ROCKETH!"
DeLaney
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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David DeLaney

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:57:09 AM11/22/09
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TimC <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>Piet de Arcilla (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> "The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
>> which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
>> wiki/Hemoglobin)
>>
>> I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-founded.
>
>And Mars is red because of all the mudcrabs that are teaming on the
>Martian beaches.

"Did you mean, _mudkips_?"

Dave "Google Memes: I see a great need" DeLaney

pete

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:52:30 AM11/22/09
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David DeLaney wrote:
> TimC <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>Piet de Arcilla (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>
>>>"The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
>>>which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
>>>wiki/Hemoglobin)
>>>
>>>I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-founded.

It's total bullshit.

The only two differences between chlorophyll and hemoglobin
are metal ion and color.

1 hemoglobin has iron, chlorophyll has magnesium
2 hemoglobin is red, chlorophyll is green.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heme.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chlorophyll_a.svg

--
pete

pete

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:54:50 AM11/22/09
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Metal drills rock.
Rock crushes blacksmith.

--
pete

Doctroid

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:07:20 AM11/22/09
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In article <slrnhgihn...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> ... er, I mean, that
> the color's from the molecule surrounding the iron atom trapped at the center,
> not from the iron atom itself

Because an iron atom is BLUE. Everyone knows that.

Hydrogen atoms are yellow, and oxygen atoms are red.

--
Sig available on request.

- Doctroid

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:09:37 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 9:52 am, pete <pfil...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> David DeLaney wrote:

> > TimC <tconn...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >>Piet de Arcilla (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> >>>"The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
> >>>which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
> >>>wiki/Hemoglobin)
>
> >>>I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-founded.
>
> It's total bullshit.
>
> The only two differences between chlorophyll and hemoglobin
> are metal ion and color.
>
> 1   hemoglobin has iron, chlorophyll has magnesium
> 2   hemoglobin  is red,  chlorophyll  is green.

But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.

Tom McDaniels

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:41:14 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 21, 10:27 pm, TimC <tconn...@no.spam.accepted.here-

astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2009-11-22, Tom McDaniels (aka Bruce)
>   was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> > It has come to my attention that there still exists a large knowledge
> > gap among some bozos as to the differences of meat vs.  metal.
>
> ... snip lessons ...
>
> So which is Meat Terri and which is Robot Terri?

Higgledy piggledy
Food for thought
One oils her joints
And the other ‘s doth rot


--
"Daddy picked them up and looked underneath. I think it's printed on
the bottom." 5 year old
on determining sex of kittens.

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:13:11 AM11/23/09
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On Nov 22, 5:38 am, TimC <tconn...@no.spam.accepted.here-

astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2009-11-22, Piet de Arcilla (aka Bruce)
>   was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 1:26 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 21, 11:51 pm, pete <pfil...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> > Seriously, that color in meat, comes from iron.
>
> >> I'm skeptical. Iron is grey when unrusted, and, well, rust-colored
> >> when it _is_ rusted. So how can I believe that bright red color comes
> >> from iron?
>
> > A-HA!
>
> > "The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
> > which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
> > wiki/Hemoglobin)
>
> > I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-
> > founded.
>
> And Mars is red because of all the mudcrabs that are teaming on the
> Martian beaches.

Mars is in fact _not_ red; it's orangy-rust colored. So why would iron
ever be bright red?

pete

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:32:12 AM11/23/09
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Piet de Arcilla wrote:

> But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
> something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.

I wouldn't get too hung up over anything that was said on a.r.k.

--
pete

Bryce Utting

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:07:45 AM11/23/09
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Piet de Arcilla <dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-
>> > founded.
>>
>> And Mars is red because of all the mudcrabs that are teaming on the
>> Martian beaches.
>
> Mars is in fact _not_ red; it's orangy-rust colored. So why would iron
> ever be bright red?

tha's cos it's not all iron oxides. there's the gold oxides as well,
just for starters.


butting

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I'm not sure if it's irony, or a request for irony objects from
orbit.
-- Dave Hughes

David DeLaney

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:08:35 AM11/23/09
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you never saw MARS?

Dave "rust in rocks: red. Or at least rust-colored." DeLaney

Mark Edwards

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Nov 23, 2009, 6:37:52 AM11/23/09
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[So which is Meat Terri and which is Robot Terri?]

No cluons were harmed when Tom McDaniels wrote:
>Higgledy piggledy
>Food for thought
>One oils her joints

>And the other doth rot

With today's advances in ointment technology, this could still apply to
either.


Mark Edwards
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Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

pete

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Nov 23, 2009, 7:33:06 AM11/23/09
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David DeLaney wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:32:12 -0500, pete <pfi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Piet de Arcilla wrote:
>>
>>>But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
>>>something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.
>>
>>I wouldn't get too hung up over anything that was said on a.r.k.
>
>
> you never saw MARS?

put the needle on the record
put the needle on the record
when the song beats go like this

pump up the volume
pump up the volume
pump up the volume
dance dance

mars
needs
women

--
pete

Otto Bahn

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:04:55 PM11/23/09
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"Piet de Arcilla" <dear...@gmail.com> wrote

> >> I'm skeptical. Iron is grey when unrusted, and, well, rust-colored


> >> when it _is_ rusted. So how can I believe that bright red color comes
> >> from iron?
>
> > A-HA!
>
> > "The red [of blood] is due to the porphyrin moiety of hemoglobin to
> > which the iron is bound, not the iron itself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/
> > wiki/Hemoglobin)
>
> > I don't know what that means, but it means my suspicions were well-
> > founded.
>
> And Mars is red because of all the mudcrabs that are teaming on the
> Martian beaches.
<
<Mars is in fact _not_ red; it's orangy-rust colored. So why would iron
>ever be bright red?

When it's embarrassed.

--oTTo--

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:09:11 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 1:08 am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:32:12 -0500, pete <pfil...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >Piet de Arcilla wrote:
> >> But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
> >> something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.
>
> >I wouldn't get too hung up over anything that was said on a.r.k.
>
> you never saw MARS?
>
> Dave "rust in rocks: red. Or at least rust-colored." DeLaney

There's a difference. Mars' reputation as red is based on seeing it as
a bright mote against the black of space, which makes the color look
intense. But when you look at a Hubble photo or one from a space
probe, and it hasn't had the coloring distorted, it's a not-too-red
orangy-brown.

David DeLaney

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Nov 23, 2009, 6:37:20 PM11/23/09
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Piet de Arcilla <dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 1:08�am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>> >Piet de Arcilla wrote:
>> >> But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
>> >> something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.
>>
>> you never saw MARS?
>>
>> Dave "rust in rocks: red. Or at least rust-colored." DeLaney
>
>There's a difference. Mars' reputation as red is based on seeing it as
>a bright mote against the black of space, which makes the color look
>intense. But when you look at a Hubble photo or one from a space
>probe, and it hasn't had the coloring distorted, it's a not-too-red
>orangy-brown.

But that's the same thing, cuz guys can only see four and a half colors
anyway, right? And one of them's "beer".

Dave

Piet de Arcilla

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:24:01 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 6:37 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 23, 1:08 am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> >> >Piet de Arcilla wrote:
> >> >> But I've never seen iron that was red elsewhere. So there must be
> >> >> something else making it red when it's in hemoglobin.
>
> >> you never saw MARS?
>
> >> Dave "rust in rocks: red. Or at least rust-colored." DeLaney
>
> >There's a difference. Mars' reputation as red is based on seeing it as
> >a bright mote against the black of space, which makes the color look
> >intense. But when you look at a Hubble photo or one from a space
> >probe, and it hasn't had the coloring distorted, it's a not-too-red
> >orangy-brown.
>
> But that's the same thing, cuz guys can only see four and a half colors
> anyway, right? And one of them's "beer".

Google ad reminding me the world is insane:

"Iron Oxide
direct from China trusted dealer
Good reputation,just your find"

Otto Bahn

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:04:11 AM11/24/09
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"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote

> But that's the same thing, cuz guys can only see four and a half colors
> anyway, right? And one of them's "beer".

There are, coincidentally, four and a half major food groups.

Red/orange
White/yellow
Brown
Green

and alcohol.

--oTTo--


Adam Funk

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:52:07 AM11/24/09
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Good whisk(e)y count in one and a half groups!


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