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Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 7:29:53 AM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.


Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?


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Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-05, Robert Bannister wrote:

> On 5/12/12 1:04 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Dec 4, 9:15 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in messagenews:3a734ee2-44a3-4870...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> What is a "grammarian"?
>>>
>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grammariansays:
>>>
>>> 1. a specialist or expert in grammar.
>>
>> What is "grammar"?
>>
>> (Hint: The word is at least triply ambiguous within linguistics.)
>
> [Hand up] Please sir, please sir, I know. It's a kind of magic and used
> to be spelt "glamour".


The grammar in the grimoire has the tools to make rules?


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Peter T. Daniels

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Dec 5, 2012, 8:34:21 AM12/5/12
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On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>
> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?

Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
sci.lang? Given how many of _these_ degenerate into inanity, how great
must be the quotient in their home country!

Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 8:50:52 AM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>>
>> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>
> Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
> but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
> sci.lang?

It's your choice to be a google-grouper. A proper news client would
allow you to filter.


> Given how many of _these_ degenerate into inanity, how great
> must be the quotient in their home country!

You've got the sampling bias the wrong way around.


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Peter T. Daniels

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Dec 5, 2012, 9:02:09 AM12/5/12
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On Dec 5, 8:50 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>
> >> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>
> > Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
> > but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
> > sci.lang?
>
> It's your choice to be a google-grouper.  A proper news client would
> allow you to filter.

Yet once again: How is the "filter" supposed to know when a thread
might veer back to the mildly relevant or even interesting?

> > Given how many of _these_ degenerate into inanity, how great
> > must be the quotient in their home country!
>
> You've got the sampling bias the wrong way around.

Hardly.

tony cooper

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Must not comment on who the General of Degeneration is...must not.


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David DeLaney

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Dec 5, 2012, 11:49:56 AM12/5/12
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Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>On 2012-12-05, Robert Bannister wrote:
>> On 5/12/12 1:04 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Dec 4, 9:15 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote
>>>>> What is a "grammarian"?
>>>>
>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grammariansays:
>>>>
>>>> 1. a specialist or expert in grammar.
>>>
>>> What is "grammar"?
>>>
>>> (Hint: The word is at least triply ambiguous within linguistics.)
>>
>> [Hand up] Please sir, please sir, I know. It's a kind of magic and used
>> to be spelt "glamour".
>
>The grammar in the grimoire has the tools to make rules?

But the gramarye in your gramma does her witchin' in the kitchen!

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Dr. HotSalt

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Dec 5, 2012, 3:26:36 PM12/5/12
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On Dec 5, 5:50 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.

Curious. When I find something to be "boring", I find something else
upon which to focus my attention.

> >> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>
> > Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
> > but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
> > sci.lang?
>
> It's your choice to be a google-grouper.  A proper news client would
> allow you to filter.

Now now, Adam, as I have pointed out previously, even Google Groups
permits its users to see which groups a crossposted thread is
crossposted to (for instance, I am reading this thread through Google
Groups, and I see quite clearly that it is crossposted to sci.lang,
alt.religion.kibology, and alt.usage.english). Obviously therefore, I
am reading (at least part of) all three groups. Also obviously
therefore, so are all other participants in this branch of the thread.

Of course, as you noted, Google Groups does not offer a filtering
function.

However, newsgroup filters are simply an extension of the user's
mind; a limited sort of robot that can be programmed to perform a
function its operator desires to be performed, in this instance
remembering not to open certain threads or to read certain poster's
messages if the user found them to be "boring", for instance.

As a Google Groups user I occasionally open threads in which I
decide I do not wish to participate, and since no robotic "ignore"
function is available, I simply *remember* that fact and do not open
the thread again; in other words I perform the task for myself. Of
course, if I were to find only part of a thread boring, I would note
the name of the poster appearing at the start of the boring branch,
and not open any posts in that branch.

I am occasionally astonished that others find these simple tasks
difficult to imagine, or to perform. This is one such instance.

> > Given how many of _these_ degenerate into inanity, how great
> > must be the quotient in their home country!
>
> You've got the sampling bias the wrong way around.

inane

1: empty, insubstantial

2: lacking significance, meaning, or point : silly <inane comments>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inane

It could be argued that pointing out that an activity one is
participating is inane, is itself inane.

> A lot of people never use their intiative because no-one
> told them to.                                 --- Banksy

What a remarkably apropos sig file.


Dr. HotSalt

Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 3:55:37 PM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 5, 9:33 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> [alt.religion.kibology removed]
>>
>> "Adam Funk"  wrote in messagenews:1br3p9x...@news.ducksburg.com...
>> > On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>> > Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>>
>> He says he doesn't read a.u.e, which makes me wonder how he's able to
>> pronounce on how boring the threads are.
>
> As I made perfectly clear, the few crossposted threads, which
> nominally begin with an interesting topic, frequently degenerate into
> boring. How much more so must it be for threads that aren't even
> crossposted (and are this presumably of no linguistic interest at all).


sampling bias whoosh


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Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 3:47:28 PM12/5/12
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Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 3:53:50 PM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Dr. HotSalt wrote:

> However, newsgroup filters are simply an extension of the user's
> mind; a limited sort of robot that can be programmed to perform a
> function its operator desires to be performed, in this instance
> remembering not to open certain threads or to read certain poster's
> messages if the user found them to be "boring", for instance.
>
> As a Google Groups user I occasionally open threads in which I
> decide I do not wish to participate, and since no robotic "ignore"
> function is available, I simply *remember* that fact and do not open
> the thread again; in other words I perform the task for myself. Of
> course, if I were to find only part of a thread boring, I would note
> the name of the poster appearing at the start of the boring branch,
> and not open any posts in that branch.
>
> I am occasionally astonished that others find these simple tasks
> difficult to imagine, or to perform. This is one such instance.

Apparently the cognitive load is too high for some people.


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Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 3:52:36 PM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 5, 8:50 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> >> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>>
>> >> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>>
>> > Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
>> > but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
>> > sci.lang?
>>
>> It's your choice to be a google-grouper.  A proper news client would
>> allow you to filter.
>
> Yet once again: How is the "filter" supposed to know when a thread
> might veer back to the mildly relevant or even interesting?

I'm sure you could look this up on the WWW, but I'll explain it for
you. Every message on the USERNET has headers like From, Newsgroups,
and Subject; you configure your news client to add or subtract points
to messages or threads based on matching patterns, and to mark
messages as especially worth reading, normal, mark-as-read, and
don't-even-show-me according to score ranges. So you could set it to
-10 for being from someone you don't like, -10 for being crossposted
to AUE, +30 for having "Hittite" in the subject; total +10, therefore
highlight as worth noting.


>> > Given how many of _these_ degenerate into inanity, how great
>> > must be the quotient in their home country!
>>
>> You've got the sampling bias the wrong way around.
>
> Hardly.

Since you admit you don't read AUE apart from the crossposts, and you
moan about some of the biggest contributors to SL, you're not in a
position to judge.


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Robert Bannister

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On 5/12/12 8:26 PM, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Robert Bannister wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/12 1:04 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Dec 4, 9:15 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in messagenews:3a734ee2-44a3-4870...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> What is a "grammarian"?
>>>>
>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grammariansays:
>>>>
>>>> 1. a specialist or expert in grammar.
>>>
>>> What is "grammar"?
>>>
>>> (Hint: The word is at least triply ambiguous within linguistics.)
>>
>> [Hand up] Please sir, please sir, I know. It's a kind of magic and used
>> to be spelt "glamour".
>
>
> The grammar in the grimoire has the tools to make rules?

<very good>
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Peter T. Daniels

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Dec 5, 2012, 5:55:45 PM12/5/12
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On Dec 5, 3:52 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 8:50 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 5, 7:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2012-12-04, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >> >> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>
> >> >> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?
>
> >> > Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am _not_reading aue,
> >> > but of it only the handful of threads that are crossposted to
> >> > sci.lang?
>
> >> It's your choice to be a google-grouper.  A proper news client would
> >> allow you to filter.
>
> > Yet once again: How is the "filter" supposed to know when a thread
> > might veer back to the mildly relevant or even interesting?
>
> I'm sure you could look this up on the WWW, but I'll explain it for
> you.  Every message on the USERNET has headers like From, Newsgroups,
> and Subject; you configure your news client to add or subtract points
> to messages or threads based on matching patterns, and to mark
> messages as especially worth reading, normal, mark-as-read, and
> don't-even-show-me according to score ranges.  So you could set it to
> -10 for being from someone you don't like, -10 for being crossposted
> to AUE, +30 for having "Hittite" in the subject; total +10, therefore
> highlight as worth noting.

In case you hadn't noticed, headers rarely match content.

Adam Funk

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Dec 5, 2012, 5:59:59 PM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Katy Jennison wrote:

> On 05/12/2012 20:56, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2012-12-05, Guy Barry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "musika" wrote in message news:k9nsnv$4hm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>> Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I believe that "behoove" is the AmE equivalent of BrE "behove".
>>>
>>>> Interesting. Do you know when, or how, it got the extra "o"?
>>>
>>> The noun is spelt "behoof"
>>
>> That's what the mystery tool on SwAKs is for, isn't it?
>>
>
><like>


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Reinhold {Rey} Aman

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Dec 5, 2012, 8:34:26 PM12/5/12
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Adam Funk wrote:
>
> ... bring your own horse.
>
Isn't that what Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells his friends?

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Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 5, 3:52 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

>> I'm sure you could look this up on the WWW, but I'll explain it for
>> you.  Every message on the USERNET has headers like From, Newsgroups,
>> and Subject; you configure your news client to add or subtract points
>> to messages or threads based on matching patterns, and to mark
>> messages as especially worth reading, normal, mark-as-read, and
>> don't-even-show-me according to score ranges.  So you could set it to
>> -10 for being from someone you don't like, -10 for being crossposted
>> to AUE, +30 for having "Hittite" in the subject; total +10, therefore
>> highlight as worth noting.

And when you spot threads that seem interesting, you can flag them to
be scored up, mark them as unread, and start following them.


> In case you hadn't noticed, headers rarely match content.

Says someone who moans about AUE threads, which are clearly marked
by the Newsgroups and Xref headers.


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CDB

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Frivolity is a customary response here to pompous equivocation.


Peter T. Daniels

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On Dec 6, 5:13 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5, 3:52 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> I'm sure you could look this up on the WWW, but I'll explain it for
> >> you.  Every message on the USERNET has headers like From, Newsgroups,
> >> and Subject; you configure your news client to add or subtract points
> >> to messages or threads based on matching patterns, and to mark
> >> messages as especially worth reading, normal, mark-as-read, and
> >> don't-even-show-me according to score ranges.  So you could set it to
> >> -10 for being from someone you don't like, -10 for being crossposted
> >> to AUE, +30 for having "Hittite" in the subject; total +10, therefore
> >> highlight as worth noting.
>
> And when you spot threads that seem interesting, you can flag them to
> be scored up, mark them as unread, and start following them.
>
> > In case you hadn't noticed, headers rarely match content.
>
> Says someone who moans about AUE threads, which are clearly marked
> by the Newsgroups and Xref headers.

Can you say "non sequitur"? Every thread _has_ a header. Headers
rarely match content.

David DeLaney

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Dec 6, 2012, 8:51:29 AM12/6/12
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Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
Right, because headers that say a post is from Peter T. Daniels are so
rarely correct. Usually they're from the bot that impersonates him.

Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-06, David DeLaney wrote:

> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>On Dec 6, 5:13 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>>> > In case you hadn't noticed, headers rarely match content.
>>>
>>> Says someone who moans about AUE threads, which are clearly marked
>>> by the Newsgroups and Xref headers.
>>
>>Can you say "non sequitur"? Every thread _has_ a header. Headers
>>rarely match content.
>
> Right, because headers that say a post is from Peter T. Daniels are so
> rarely correct. Usually they're from the bot that impersonates him.


And doesn't know what USERNET headers are.


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On 12/5/2012 1:53 PM, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-12-05, Dr. HotSalt wrote:
>
>> However, newsgroup filters are simply an extension of the user's
>> mind; a limited sort of robot that can be programmed to perform a
>> function its operator desires to be performed, in this instance
>> remembering not to open certain threads or to read certain poster's
>> messages if the user found them to be "boring", for instance.
>>
>> As a Google Groups user I occasionally open threads in which I
>> decide I do not wish to participate, and since no robotic "ignore"
>> function is available, I simply *remember* that fact and do not open
>> the thread again; in other words I perform the task for myself. Of
>> course, if I were to find only part of a thread boring, I would note
>> the name of the poster appearing at the start of the boring branch,
>> and not open any posts in that branch.
>>
>> I am occasionally astonished that others find these simple tasks
>> difficult to imagine, or to perform. This is one such instance.
>
> Apparently the cognitive load is too high for some people.

Load represents a weight. Even if you winch the load up on a pulley,
being higher or lower does not increase or reduce the weight.

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I don't give you enough
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And when the rope snaps and the load comes crashing down on PTD's
head, like a piano in a cartoon, hilarity ensues.

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CDB

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On 10/12/2012 8:48 AM, bar...@bookpro.com wrote:
> Lord Infomouse <kremv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gravity-reduction through gravity.


Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-12, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 11, 9:05 pm, Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>> The comment by PTD suggests that he thinks that there is only one
>> header, namely the "Subject:" header. Furthermore, it appears that he
>> believes that that line remains consistent for the lifetime of the
>> thread. What does GG do if the subject line changes in the middle of a
>> thread? I presume that it wouldn't be silly enough to break the thread
>> at that point and lose the references to the preceding articles in the
>> thread.
>
> So it turns out you don't, in fact, have the slightest idea of what
> you're talking about.


OH THE IRONY!


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Adam Funk

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Dec 14, 2012, 9:22:25 AM12/14/12
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On 2012-12-13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 13, 12:58 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-12, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> > On 13/12/12 04:51, António Marques wrote:
>> >> I still don't get what Adam thinks Peter's problem is. As stated by
>> >> Peter, it is that one can't deduce the interestingness of a message by
>> >> looking at anything other than the contents of the message itself.
>>
>> > Somebody -- it might have been Adam -- suggested that that problem could
>> > be solved by
>> >  (a) killfiling those people whose posts he doesn't like reading;
>> >  (b) killfiling anything that's cross-posted.
>>
>> > The catch, of course, is that GG does not have support for killfiles, or
>> > indeed for any sort of filtering.
>>
>> Bingo!  PTD complains about being "forced" to wade through unwanted
>> (by him) posts.  In this case, the saying "a poor workman blames his
>> tools" doesn't apply, and he should consider finding better tools.
>
> Why are you unable to comprehend that _no_ "killfile" has the ability
> to determine what is or is not interesting to any particular person?
>
> True, it would be convenient to "killfile" certain of the trolls you
> like to drag here from that time-wasting newsgroup you so frequently

Ah, more of your offensive filth. You'll learn.

> crosspost to, but it's conceivable that even "barb" or "hot NaCl"
> might somehow have something relevant to contribute on some topic. And
> if I "killfiled' the Brooks entity, I would have to backtrack to find
> out what asininity it had committed earlier in a thread that was
> trying desperately to educate it.
>
> I suppose you use sledgehammers to swat flies, and I suppose you
> operate under the adage "To someone who only has a hammer, everything
> looks like a nail."
>
>> > However, it has been suggested that a
>> > partial solution would be to look at the header lines before reading the
>> > body of the message.
>>
>> And some tools can be used to score them.
>>
>> >> However, supposedly literate people in these groups look at that plain
>> >> statement and come up with cumbrous explanations of why Peter
>> >> supposedly can't grasp the specifics of NNTP. If this were an isolated
>> >> incident, it wouldn't be remarkable, but as things stand it just looks
>> >> like several of these people have communication impairments.
>>
>> > The main thing that is stopping Peter from looking at the headers is
>> > that, as clearly shown by some of his responses here, he doesn't know
>> > what a header is.
>>
>> I don't think he needs to understand how the NNTP protocol works, but
>> if he doesn't understand the format of the messages, he's not
>> qualified to complain.
>
> You seem to be referring to the screensful of gobbledygook that appear
> when one clicks "Show original." Do tell me what the list of machines
> a message may have been passed through, and the identity of its
> encoding, etc., would tell me about the content of the message.

I'm surprised this notion of numeric prioritizing is over your head.


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Dr. HotSalt

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On Dec 14, 6:22 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 12:58 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-12, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> >> > On 13/12/12 04:51, António Marques wrote:
> >> >> I still don't get what Adam thinks Peter's problem is. As stated by
> >> >> Peter, it is that one can't deduce the interestingness of a message by
> >> >> looking at anything other than the contents of the message itself.

This subthread appears to be about how one might determine whether
the contents of a post are "interesting" (according to unstated
criteria), yet the title still refers to words excluded from the
Oxford Dictionary (if I have unpacked OxDic correctly).

I have no idea who might find either actual topic interesting, but
obviously one has to read a post to see what's actually in it
regardless of title.

> >> > Somebody -- it might have been Adam -- suggested that that problem could
> >> > be solved by
> >> >  (a) killfiling those people whose posts he doesn't like reading;
> >> >  (b) killfiling anything that's cross-posted.
>
> >> > The catch, of course, is that GG does not have support for killfiles, or
> >> > indeed for any sort of filtering.
>
> >> Bingo!  PTD complains about being "forced" to wade through unwanted
> >> (by him) posts.  In this case, the saying "a poor workman blames his
> >> tools" doesn't apply, and he should consider finding better tools.
>
> > Why are you unable to comprehend that _no_ "killfile" has the ability
> > to determine what is or is not interesting to any particular person?

Of course no such capacity exists in a mere killfile program.
However, when one notes that a particular poster tends not to be
"interesting" (again, depending on unstated criteria) one can
certainly easily avoid reading anything posted by that person.

If one finds certain topics "uninteresting", one can also avoid
reading posts which have titles containing words referring to those
topics.

These last two capabilities are of course not available in Google
Groups, but there exists a perfectly functional killfile add-on for
reading Google groups via Firefox:

http://www.penney.org/ggkiller.html

It requires the installation of Greasemonkey, but it's so simple
that even I can do it.

> > True, it would be convenient to "killfile" certain of the trolls you
> > like to drag here from that time-wasting newsgroup you so frequently
>
> Ah, more of your offensive filth.  You'll learn.

I am slightly curious that PTD considers certain groups to be "time-
wasters" when from all appearances, his participation in this thread
is a huge waste of his time in that his objective (not wasting his
time) is not being met.

> > crosspost to, but it's conceivable that even "barb" or "hot NaCl"
> > might somehow have something relevant to contribute on some topic.

I *think* I've been complimented. Well, I did point out the
existence of a killfile for Thunderbird. Again.

Now, if only those the information was provided for would take
advantage of it...

> > And if I "killfiled' the Brooks entity, I would have to backtrack to find
> > out what asininity it had committed earlier in a thread that was
> > trying desperately to educate it.

What a strange way to spend one's time. Well, it *is* his time to
spend.

> > I suppose you use sledgehammers to swat flies, and I suppose you
> > operate under the adage "To someone who only has a hammer, everything
> > looks like a nail."
>
> >> > However, it has been suggested that a
> >> > partial solution would be to look at the header lines before reading the
> >> > body of the message.
>
> >> And some tools can be used to score them.
>
> >> >> However, supposedly literate people in these groups look at that plain
> >> >> statement and come up with cumbrous explanations of why Peter
> >> >> supposedly can't grasp the specifics of NNTP. If this were an isolated
> >> >> incident, it wouldn't be remarkable, but as things stand it just looks
> >> >> like several of these people have communication impairments.
>
> >> > The main thing that is stopping Peter from looking at the headers is
> >> > that, as clearly shown by some of his responses here, he doesn't know
> >> > what a header is.
>
> >> I don't think he needs to understand how the NNTP protocol works, but
> >> if he doesn't understand the format of the messages, he's not
> >> qualified to complain.
>
> > You seem to be referring to the screensful of gobbledygook that appear
> > when one clicks "Show original." Do tell me what the list of machines
> > a message may have been passed through, and the identity of its
> > encoding, etc., would tell me about the content of the message.
>
> I'm surprised this notion of numeric prioritizing is over your head.

That's not it at all. Clearly, PTD simply wants the world to work
the way he wants it to without any effort on his part.

Firefox, Greasemonkey, ggkiller, and he need not even know that
headers exist. Perhaps he finds that path to be "uninteresting", even
though it would save him the time "wasted" reading certain posts.


Dr. HotSalt

Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-14, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 14, 9:22 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> > Why are you unable to comprehend that _no_ "killfile" has the ability
>> > to determine what is or is not interesting to any particular person?
>
> No answer, of course.

You complain repeatedly about specific people's posts. No-one is
forcing you to read them.


>> > True, it would be convenient to "killfile" certain of the trolls you
>> > like to drag here from that time-wasting newsgroup you so frequently
>>
>> Ah, more of your offensive filth.  You'll learn.
>
> It's not I who constantly crossposts to the offensive group.
>
> It's not surprising that the funkster immediately tattled, is it.

Oh, compared to your rude treatment of people you expected not to see
your comments behind their backs?


>> > I suppose you use sledgehammers to swat flies, and I suppose you
>> > operate under the adage "To someone who only has a hammer, everything
>> > looks like a nail."
>
> No comment, of course.

Well, your only tool is GG, so every problem has to be blamed on
someone else.


>> > You seem to be referring to the screensful of gobbledygook that appear
>> > when one clicks "Show original." Do tell me what the list of machines
>> > a message may have been passed through, and the identity of its
>> > encoding, etc., would tell me about the content of the message.
>>
>> I'm surprised this notion of numeric prioritizing is over your head.
>
> Instead of trying to show off with jargon, say what you mean.

You don't have to read every post. You let the news client score
posts so the posts or threads that are more likely (not certain, but
more likely) to interest you appear at the top of the list, possibly
with higher numbers or diferent colours (depending on the news
client). The ones less likely to interest you are at the bottom. You
let the tool help you choose what to read more efficiently.


> How, EXACTLY, does showing those screenfuls of stuff enhance someone's
> ability to know whether the content of the posting is interesting?

You don't read that stuff every time; you tell the news client to use
it as above, to make scanning the groups easier and more customized.


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Adam Funk

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I think his main objective is just trying to be a dictator.


>> > crosspost to, but it's conceivable that even "barb" or "hot NaCl"
>> > might somehow have something relevant to contribute on some topic.
>
> I *think* I've been complimented. Well, I did point out the
> existence of a killfile for Thunderbird. Again.
>
> Now, if only those the information was provided for would take
> advantage of it...

You can lead a horse to water.


>> > And if I "killfiled' the Brooks entity, I would have to backtrack to find
>> > out what asininity it had committed earlier in a thread that was
>> > trying desperately to educate it.
>
> What a strange way to spend one's time. Well, it *is* his time to
> spend.

No! These evil USERNET users are forcing him to waste time!

...
> That's not it at all. Clearly, PTD simply wants the world to work
> the way he wants it to without any effort on his part.

Bazinga!


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Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-14, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 14, 9:22 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Peter T. Daniels"  wrote in messagenews:070e0acb-916b-45b3...@hf3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > How long does it take to accumulate 1000 new postings on aue?
>>
>> It varies, but Google Groups says there were 7674 posts last month, so that
>> would suggest about four days.  The previous month there were 9698,
>> suggesting about three days.
>>
>> > At sci.lang, for a few minutes 3-4 times a day, if there are a dozen new
>> > messages, it's been a lively period.
>>
>> Google Groups only lists 482 posts for sci.lang last month, but this seems
>> to be atypical.  The previous month there were 3152.  Could this be
>> something to do with the volume of crossposts?
>
> The crossposted threads do tend to swell (usually with irrelevancies)
> very quickly, but note that Nathan, who is responsible for dragging
> out many of the vitriolic arguments here, has been almost entirely
> absent for several weeks.

Oh the irony! You're the worst vitriol-slinger around here.


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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:22:25 +0000, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dangling there like a safe on a cartoon piano on a cable that is
starting to fray ...

BW

bar...@bookpro.com

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On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:59:25 -0500, bar...@bookpro.com wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:22:25 +0000, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>I'm surprised this notion of numeric prioritizing is over your head.
>
>Dangling there like a safe on a cartoon piano on a cable that is
>starting to fray ...

Er, rather: Dangling there like a cartoon safe or piano on a cable

pauljk

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<bar...@bookpro.com> wrote in message
news:044qc81476qna2n40...@4ax.com...
Ha! Too late. I already spent time trying to make sense of what you
said earlier. I decided I knew what it was and now you're telling me
I was wrong?

pjk


R H Draney

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bar...@bookpro.com filted:
>
>Er, rather: Dangling there like a cartoon safe or piano on a cable
>that is starting to fray ...

The holy trinity (dare I say the acme?) of falling cartoon objects: safe, piano,
anvil...in my youth, I seldom considered that there could be any other use for a
safe or an anvil than to have it drop on someone from a great height....r


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On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:36:45 +1300, "pauljk" <paul....@xtra.co.nz>
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Maybe you were right the first time and I was wrong to fix it.

BW

Les Cargill

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R H Draney wrote:
> bar...@bookpro.com filted:
>>
>> Er, rather: Dangling there like a cartoon safe or piano on a cable
>> that is starting to fray ...
>
> The holy trinity (dare I say the acme?)

I think you should.

> of falling cartoon objects: safe, piano,
> anvil...in my youth, I seldom considered that there could be any other use for a
> safe or an anvil than to have it drop on someone from a great height....r
>
>

http://www.megawavs.com/play.aspx?id=17135

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R H Draney

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Les Cargill filted:
I'll extend the subject: how old were you before you discovered that a rolling
pin could be used for something besides hitting a misbehaving husband over the
head?...r

Dr Nick

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And one of those truncated-pyramidal weights labelled "10 tons". Known
to the extent that I've seen them used in quite sensible diagrams to
mean "put a weight on here".

CDB

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On 15/12/2012 7:36 PM, pauljk wrote:
> <bar...@bookpro.com> wrote:
>> bar...@bookpro.com wrote:
>>> Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> I'm surprised this notion of numeric prioritizing is over your head.

>>> Dangling there like a safe on a cartoon piano on a cable that is
>>> starting to fray ...

>> Er, rather: Dangling there like a cartoon safe or piano on a cable
>> that is starting to fray ...

> Ha! Too late. I already spent time trying to make sense of what you
> said earlier. I decided I knew what it was and now you're telling me
> I was wrong?

They would certainly prevent disease, once the rope broke.


Les Cargill

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Dunno - there was always pie.

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Dr. HotSalt

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On Dec 16, 9:42 am, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.com> wrote:
> R H Draney wrote:
> > Les Cargill filted:
>
> >> R H Draney wrote:
> >>> barb...@bookpro.com filted:
>
> >>>> Er, rather: Dangling there like a cartoon safe or piano on a cable
> >>>> that is starting to fray ...
>
> >>> The holy trinity (dare I say the acme?)
>
> >> I think you should.
>
> >>> of falling cartoon objects: safe, piano,
> >>> anvil...in my youth, I seldom considered that there could be any other use for a
> >>> safe or an anvil than to have it drop on someone from a great height....r
>
> >>http://www.megawavs.com/play.aspx?id=17135
>
> > I'll extend the subject: how old were you before you discovered that a rolling
> > pin could be used for something besides hitting a misbehaving husband over the
> > head?...r
>
> Dunno - there was always pie.

Pie is for the front of the head, rolling pins for the top, and
mallets for the back.


Dr.Hot"nyuk nyuk"Salt

R H Draney

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Dr Nick filted:
Those didn't impress me as prevalent in cartoons...weights were more often in
the form of dumbbells, with fixed spherical weights on each end and the weight
painted on each (or sometimes with the number on one sphere and "LBS" on the
other)....r

Dr Nick

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I just typed >cartoon weight< into google, and the first result
(although this was on the general results, not the images) was of
images, and of these, the first is of the sort I suggested ("16 tons"),
the next is a set of five items: a piano, a safe, an anvil, a weight
("20 lbs. tons" [sic]), and a rock, and the next three are of people
with (non-spherical) dumbells, two out of the three are bending under
the weight.

R H Draney

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A somewhat canonical set of falling objects lands on the bulldog in Tex Avery's
"Bad Luck Blackie"...in order:

two flowerpots, in separate incidents
a trunk
a piano
a stereotypical bomb with burning fuse (falls into his hands before exploding)
a cash register
four horseshoes and a dazed-looking horse, one by one
a fire hydrant
a safe
a load of bricks
an anvil
a kitchen sink
a bathtub
another piano
a steamroller
an airplane
a school bus
a battleship

Knowing Tex Avery, this could have continued for much longer....r

Lord Infomouse

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On 12/16/2012 3:14 PM, R H Draney wrote:
> A somewhat canonical set of falling objects lands on the bulldog in Tex Avery's
> "Bad Luck Blackie"...in order:
>
> two flowerpots, in separate incidents
> a trunk
> a piano
> a stereotypical bomb with burning fuse (falls into his hands before exploding)

What is a bulldog doing with hands? Is he going to eat them later?

Mark IV

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OK, now I'm feeling anxious. Is the safe securely affixed to the piano or not? There is very little friction between flat steel and polished mahogany, and I fear it will slip loose prematurely causing a weight shift resulting in one of the piano legs getting entangled in the cable. Also, did anyone remember to light the dynamite in the safe?

Concerned,

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R H Draney

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Lord Infomouse filted:
>
>On 12/16/2012 3:14 PM, R H Draney wrote:
>>A somewhat canonical set of falling objects lands on the bulldog in Tex Avery's
>> "Bad Luck Blackie"...in order:
>>
>> two flowerpots, in separate incidents
>> a trunk
>> a piano
>>a stereotypical bomb with burning fuse (falls into his hands before exploding)
>
>What is a bulldog doing with hands? Is he going to eat them later?

What is a cat doing wearing a hat, or blowing a whistle?...it's a cartoon....r

Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

>> Using a scoring news client is not rocket science.  I'm neither happy
>> nor unhappy about other people's ability to do that *unless* they moan
>> ignorantly about being forced to read posts they don't want to read.
>
> Do you have an example of such "moaning"?

All your posts in this thread complaining about specific people whose
posts you don't like, crossposts with newsgroups you don't like,
thread drift, your childish name-calling, etc.


> Do you in fact have microphones in everyone's computers, so that you
> can hear when they are moaning?

Keep your comments to yourself then.


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Peter T. Daniels

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On Dec 17, 3:42 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> Using a scoring news client is not rocket science.  I'm neither happy
> >> nor unhappy about other people's ability to do that *unless* they moan
> >> ignorantly about being forced to read posts they don't want to read.
>
> > Do you have an example of such "moaning"?
>
> All your posts in this thread complaining about specific people whose
> posts you don't like, crossposts with newsgroups you don't like,
> thread drift, your childish name-calling, etc.

Produce an example.

Produce an example of me saying I was forced to read a message.

(And then, I ask once again, show what information in the "header"
could have forestalled me from reading a message I wasn't interested
in.)

Produce an example of "moaning."

> > Do you in fact have microphones in everyone's computers, so that you
> > can hear when they are moaning?
>
> Keep your comments to yourself then.

Produce an example of a comment that is "moaning."

António Marques

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Isn't 'moaning' what women are supposed to do when they're having a
good time?

Lord Infomouse

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Produce fifty dollars.

Mark IV

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Produce fruits and vegetables.

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Adam Funk

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«Produce de France»


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Dr. HotSalt

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On Dec 18, 6:52 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-18, Mark IV wrote:
>
> > On Monday, December 17, 2012 3:54:55 PM UTC-5, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> Produce an example of a comment that is "moaning."
>
> > Produce fruits and vegetables.
>
> «Produce de France»

Produce Il Duce


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David DeLaney

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REDUCE! RECUSE! DILUTE! OK!

Dave, generalissimo francisco franco is still dead. at least as of 5am.
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Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-19, Peter Brooks wrote:

> On Dec 19, 10:44 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-19, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 19, 8:46 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2012-12-19, Guy Barry wrote:
>> >> > I'm not sure who he's referring to, but I would point out that you have
>> >> > initiated cross-posts from sci.lang to a.u.e in the past, such as the
>> >> > "Olympic questions" thread, which must hold some sort of record for the
>> >> > number of sub-threads spawned.
>>
>> >> There you go: it's OK when he does it, because Google Groups revolves
>> >> around him.
>>
>> > Your perpetual personal vendetta grows increasingly tiresome and
>> > irksome.
>>
>> Grow up & apologize for your history of offensive remarks then.
>>
> Be reasonable. How on earth, at his age, can you expect poor PTD to
> 'grow up' or 'apologise'? If he was capable of either, he'd have done
> both a very long time ago. The poor chap clearly thinks, because he is
> old, the he has grown up.

You may have a point there.

> I think it is really cruel to persecute those who clearly haven't the
> intellectual or emotional capacity to be normal.

Surely the ISPs should protect them (as well as us) from themselves?


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It's SHAKE-N-BAKE. (And I helped!)

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Peter Brooks

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On Dec 19, 11:52 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-19, Peter Brooks wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 10:44 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-19, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 19, 8:46 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2012-12-19, Guy Barry wrote:
> >> >> > I'm not sure who he's referring to, but I would point out that you have
> >> >> > initiated cross-posts from sci.lang to a.u.e in the past, such as the
> >> >> > "Olympic questions" thread, which must hold some sort of record for the
> >> >> > number of sub-threads spawned.
>
> >> >> There you go: it's OK when he does it, because Google Groups revolves
> >> >> around him.
>
> >> > Your perpetual personal vendetta grows increasingly tiresome and
> >> > irksome.
>
> >> Grow up & apologize for your history of offensive remarks then.
>
> > Be reasonable. How on earth, at his age, can you expect poor PTD to
> > 'grow up' or 'apologise'? If he was capable of either, he'd have done
> > both a very long time ago. The poor chap clearly thinks, because he is
> > old, the he has grown up.
>
> You may have a point there.
>
> > I think it is really cruel to persecute those who clearly haven't the
> > intellectual or emotional capacity to be normal.
>
> Surely the ISPs should protect them (as well as us) from themselves?
>
That'd e like banning tramps from the library.

Adam Funk

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I suppose we wouldn't want to nip the next Poe Ballantine in the bud.


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Adam Funk

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On 2012-12-28, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Dec 27, 5:59 pm, António Marques <ento...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 10:11 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> > On 2012-12-22, Guy Barry wrote:

>> > > For the record, I completed my PhD in computational linguistics at the
>> > > Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh, in 1992.  The title
>> > > was "Derivation and Structure in Categorial Grammar".  I studied under Dr
>> > > Robin Cooper and my external examiner was Professor Mark Steedman.  Look
>> > > them all up.
>>
>> > PTD doesn't think computational & corpus linguistics are real
>> > linguistic fields, but inferior ones to be found in "computer
>> > departments".
>
> Where did you get that lie?

Go on then, illustrate your respect for those fields. And you can say
something complimentary about lexicography while you're at it.


> And he had been so good for the past week.
>
> By keeping his filthy trap shut.

You're the filthy one here.


> I figured he'd met his Joseph Welch -- but it turned out he's a Wayne
> LaPierre..


You're the one short of decency around here.



--
No right of private conversation was enumerated in the Constitution.
I don't suppose it occurred to anyone at the time that it could be
prevented. [Whitfield Diffie]

Adam Funk

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Jan 2, 2013, 8:42:38 AM1/2/13
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On 2013-01-01, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Jan 1, 12:03 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-30, António Marques wrote:
>> > Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2012-12-27, António Marques wrote:
>>
>> >>> So tell us, Adam, outside of polemics against 'PTD', what moved you to
>> >>> rekindle a thread that had already ran its course?
>>
>> >> "Rekindle"?  I've been AFK for most of the week, & despite what your
>> >> Dictator keeps saying, time is NOT of the essence here.
>>
>> > Sonny, as you very well say, time is not the issue. The issue is that a
>> > large part of your output are unprovoked attempts at taking jabs at 'PTD',
>> > in the hope of picking up a fight which will then presumably suggest more
>> > material for polemics, at the same time complaining about the
>> > unpleasantness of these conversations.
>> > So tell us, outside of polemics against 'PTD', what moved you to rekindle a
>> > thread that had already ran its course?
>>
>> Guy mentioned his qualification in computational linguistics, & it's
>> only fair to let him know about PTD's bad attitude towards the field.
>> Note that Peter has *not* replied to my post inviting him to refute
>> that by saying something pleasant about CL.
>
> Here;s something pleasant for you to enjoy in the new year: fuck you.

Well that is certainly a mature response. Clearly higher education &
a computer weren't wasted on you! (Our friend Reinhold could surely
come up with something more erudite or amusing.)

Peter T. Daniels

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Jan 2, 2013, 11:11:50 AM1/2/13
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Fuck off, Funk.

David DeLaney

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Jan 2, 2013, 12:51:02 PM1/2/13
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Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 8:42 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-01-01, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > On Jan 1, 12:03 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2012-12-30, António Marques wrote:
>> >> > Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On 2012-12-27, António Marques wrote:
>> >> >>> So tell us, Adam, outside of polemics against 'PTD', what moved you to
>> >> >>> rekindle a thread that had already ran its course?
>>
>> >> >> "Rekindle"?  I've been AFK for most of the week, & despite what your
>> >> >> Dictator keeps saying, time is NOT of the essence here.
>>
>> >>>Sonny, as you very well say, time is not the issue. The issue is that a
>> >>>large part of your output are unprovoked attempts at taking jabs at 'PTD',
>> >>>in the hope of picking up a fight which will then presumably suggest more
>> >>>material for polemics, at the same time complaining about the
>> >>>unpleasantness of these conversations.

...I believe you're mistaken in who is complaining about those. Adam is
enjoying them. So are we over here.

>> >> Guy mentioned his qualification in computational linguistics, & it's
>> >> only fair to let him know about PTD's bad attitude towards the field.
>> >> Note that Peter has *not* replied to my post inviting him to refute
>> >> that by saying something pleasant about CL.
>>
>> > Here;s something pleasant for you to enjoy in the new year: fuck you.
>>
>> Well that is certainly a mature response.  Clearly higher education &
>> a computer weren't wasted on you!  (Our friend Reinhold could surely
>> come up with something more erudite or amusing.)
>
>Fuck off, Funk.

My bias towards or against certain participants in these conversations is
tipping ever more favorably here! Why, these arguments are concise, pithy,
AND convincing! My opinions, I feel them swaaaaaying!

Dave, also, learn to snip quoted text, people. unabridged is unattractive

António Marques

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Jan 2, 2013, 6:37:07 PM1/2/13
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It's a pity, but Raman's output declined noticeably in creativity starting
a few years ago.
--
Sent from one of my newsreaders

Adam Funk

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Jan 3, 2013, 5:38:59 AM1/3/13
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Seriously man, don't hold back showing us how intellectual you are!


--
The internet is quite simply a glorious place. Where else can you find
bootlegged music and films, questionable women, deep seated xenophobia
and amusing cats all together in the same place? [Tom Belshaw]

Reinhold {Rey} Aman

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Jan 3, 2013, 2:32:19 PM1/3/13
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António Marques wrote:
>
> Adam Funk wrote:
>>
>> (Our friend Reinhold could surely come up
>> with something more erudite or amusing.)
>
> It's a pity, but Raman's output declined noticeably
> in creativity starting a few years ago.
>
May a peeved pelican poop on your prolapsed Portuguese prostate!

--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Rey's my name,
Lashon Hara's my game.

Mandraktophiles

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Jan 3, 2013, 3:40:10 PM1/3/13
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On 1/3/2013 12:32 PM, Reinhold {Rey} Aman wrote:
> António Marques wrote:
>>
>> Adam Funk wrote:
>>>
>>> (Our friend Reinhold could surely come up
>>> with something more erudite or amusing.)
>>
>> It's a pity, but Raman's output declined noticeably
>> in creativity starting a few years ago.
>>
> May a peeved pelican poop on your prolapsed Portuguese prostate!
>

You numbskulled nincompoop of normous nullified
neolithic status! Everyone knows alliteration
comes in groups of fives or threes.

--
This time we will get them all.

António Marques

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Jan 4, 2013, 9:11:43 AM1/4/13
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I have no alliterative poem to contribute, but I must express my admiration
for those who did do it.

Marvin J. Mooney

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Jan 22, 2013, 3:20:13 PM1/22/13
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On 2012-12-22, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Are you (tws -- Guy makes virtually the same comments as you) going to
> try to deny that Adam Funk is _your_ darling boy? Are you going to try
> to deny that "alt.religion.kibology" is about the most disgusting
> thing short of obscenity to be dragged into any sci.lang _or_ aue
> thread?

I can't define Kibology, but I sure know it when I see it!

Adam Funk

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Jan 22, 2013, 3:28:07 PM1/22/13
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On 2012-12-22, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Are you (tws -- Guy makes virtually the same comments as you) going to
> try to deny that Adam Funk is _your_ darling boy? Are you going to try
> to deny that "alt.religion.kibology" is about the most disgusting
> thing short of obscenity to be dragged into any sci.lang _or_ aue
> thread?


Still digging your offensive hole, eh?


--
They do (play, that is), and nobody gets killed, but Metallic K.O. is
the only rock album I know where you can actually hear hurled beer
bottles breaking against guitar strings. --- Lester Bangs

David DeLaney

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Jan 23, 2013, 12:46:21 AM1/23/13
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...and is Peter T. Daniels actually posting a CHALLENGE with that last
sentence there? Hmmmmm?

Dave

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Jan 23, 2013, 12:07:37 PM1/23/13
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"Marvin J. Mooney" <ms99...@newsfroup.net> wrote

>> Are you (tws -- Guy makes virtually the same comments as you) going to
>> try to deny that Adam Funk is _your_ darling boy? Are you going to try
>> to deny that "alt.religion.[REDACTED]" is about the most disgusting
>> thing short of obscenity to be dragged into any sci.lang _or_ aue
>> thread?
>
> I can't define [REDACTED], but I sure know it when I see it!

Please watch your language. This is a family chatroom.

TIA,

--Tedward


Adam Funk

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Jan 31, 2013, 8:50:01 AM1/31/13
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On 2013-01-23, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Jan 22, 3:28 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-22, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > Are you (tws -- Guy makes virtually the same comments as you) going to
>> > try to deny that Adam Funk is _your_ darling boy? Are you going to try
>> > to deny that "alt.religion.kibology" is about the most disgusting
>> > thing short of obscenity to be dragged into any sci.lang _or_ aue
>> > thread?
>>
>> Still digging your offensive hole, eh?
>
> Not since last year. What's your problem?


Any time you're ready to apologize to my fellow Kibologists, we can
put this all behind us.


--
I don't quite understand this worship of objectivity in
journalism. Now, just flat-out lying is different from being
subjective. --- Hunter S Thompson

Adam Funk

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Jan 31, 2013, 8:51:08 AM1/31/13
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On 2013-01-23, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Jan 23, 12:07 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
> wrote:
>> "Marvin J. Mooney" <ms99c...@newsfroup.net> wrote
> See the bullshit being inflicted on us thanks to Funk?


No, you caused this problem with your offensive remarks. Whenever
you're ready to apologize to ARK, we can let this lie.


--
"It is the role of librarians to keep government running in difficult
times," replied Dramoren. "Librarians are the last line of defence
against chaos." (McMullen 2001)

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Feb 7, 2013, 3:42:26 PM2/7/13
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"Adam Funk" <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote

>>> >> Are you (tws -- Guy makes virtually the same comments as you) going to
>>> >> try to deny that Adam Funk is _your_ darling boy? Are you going to try
>>> >> to deny that "alt.religion.[REDACTED]" is about the most disgusting
>>> >> thing short of obscenity to be dragged into any sci.lang _or_ aue
>>> >> thread?
>>>
>>> > I can't define [REDACTED], but I sure know it when I see it!
>>>
>>> Please watch your language. This is a family chatroom.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> --Tedward
>>
>> See the [REDACTED] being inflicted on us thanks to Funk?
>
>
> No, you caused this problem with your offensive remarks. Whenever
> you're ready to apologize to ARK, we can let this lie.

He still continues to flout his foul language in our family chatroom.

--Tedward


Adam Funk

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Feb 14, 2013, 7:07:05 AM2/14/13
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On 2013-02-07, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote:

> "Adam Funk" <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote

>> No, you caused this problem with your offensive remarks. Whenever
>> you're ready to apologize to ARK, we can let this lie.
>
> He still continues to flout his foul language in our family chatroom.


I keep giving him opportunities to apologize and end this problem, but
he'd rather keep causing trouble.


--
Classical Greek lent itself to the promulgation of a rich culture,
indeed, to Western civilization. Computer languages bring us
doorbells that chime with thirty-two tunes, alt.sex.bestiality, and
Tetris clones. (Stoll 1995)

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Feb 14, 2013, 1:26:47 PM2/14/13
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"Adam Funk" <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> No, you caused this problem with your offensive remarks. Whenever
>>> you're ready to apologize to ARK, we can let this lie.
>>
>> He still continues to flout his foul language in our family chatroom.
>
>
> I keep giving him opportunities to apologize and end this problem, but
> he'd rather keep causing trouble.

I miss the time when sisadmins bothered to police the usenet.

--Tedward


Leo

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Feb 14, 2013, 2:00:19 PM2/14/13
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Paging Joel K. Furr. Usenet needs you.

Glenn Knickerbocker

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Feb 16, 2013, 2:36:26 AM2/16/13
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:26:47 -0500, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
>I miss the time when sisadmins bothered to police the usenet.

Now it's only broadmins.

�R http://users.bestweb.net/~notr You are already too educated stupid to
understand the truth of nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-liter wine cube

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Feb 18, 2013, 12:17:22 PM2/18/13
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"Glenn Knickerbocker" <No...@bestweb.net> wrote

>>I miss the time when sisadmins bothered to police the usenet.
>
> Now it's only broadmins.

Which broads do you post on?

--Tedward


Glenn Knickerbocker

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Feb 18, 2013, 2:30:32 PM2/18/13
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On 2/18/2013 12:17 PM, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> Which broads do you post on?

Only the English ones, of course. The rest you ride Western.

ŹR

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Feb 20, 2013, 4:48:58 PM2/20/13
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"Glenn Knickerbocker" <No...@bestweb.net> wrote

>> Which broads do you post on?
>
> Only the English ones, of course. The rest you ride Western.

That sounds tacky.

--Tedward


Glenn Knickerbocker

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Feb 20, 2013, 6:27:55 PM2/20/13
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Just like pasta, when it sticks it's done.

ŹR

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Feb 21, 2013, 11:33:49 AM2/21/13
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"Glenn Knickerbocker" <No...@bestweb.net> wrote

>>>> Which broads do you post on?
>>> Only the English ones, of course. The rest you ride Western.
>> That sounds tacky.
>
> Just like pasta, when it sticks it's done.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but manes will never hurt me.

--Tedward


Glenn Knickerbocker

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Feb 21, 2013, 1:42:20 PM2/21/13
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On 2/21/2013 11:33 AM, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but manes will never hurt me.

Your Kink Is O.K.

Adam Funk

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Feb 21, 2013, 4:36:07 PM2/21/13
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And he will always be ALLOWED.


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XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve the problem,
use more.

Adam Funk

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Mar 8, 2013, 7:28:14 AM3/8/13
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

>> No, you caused this problem with your offensive remarks.
>
> I am neither "Marvin J. Mooney" nor "the undead Edward M. Kennedy" nor
> "tws."

No, but you've been posting in ARK longer than I have.


>> Whenever
>> you're ready to apologize to ARK, we can let this lie.
>
> I am certainly not going to "apologize" for calling out the bullshit
> you are singlehandedly responsible for foisting on this newsgroup.

You have a long history of making offensive remarks about Kibology,
but I am nonetheless offering you a chance to back out gracefully &
make peace.


--
The history of the world is the history of a privileged few.
--- Henry Miller

Adam Funk

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Mar 17, 2013, 12:45:01 PM3/17/13
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:

Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Any time you're ready to apologize to my fellow Kibologists, we can
>> put this all behind us.
>
> "Your fellow Kibologists"???? What the bloody fuck is a "fellow
> Kibologist"? Why the bloody fucking hell would I apologize for their
> disrupting of this newsgroup every time you fucking crosspost a
> message there?


Because you want to make peace & reduce the level of what you consider
disruption, perhaps --- rather than cowering in sci.lang to make
offensive remarks about people you hope won't see them.


--
The kid's a hot prospect. He's got a good head for merchandising, an
agent who can take you downtown and one of the best urine samples I've
seen in a long time. [Dead Kennedys t-shirt]

Dr. HotSalt

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Mar 17, 2013, 1:12:32 PM3/17/13
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On Mar 17, 9:45 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Any time you're ready to apologize to my fellow Kibologists, we can
> >> put this all behind us.
>
> > "Your fellow Kibologists"????  What the bloody fuck is a "fellow
> > Kibologist"?

If you were competent at parsing simple declarative sentences in
English you wouldn't have to ask that question.

> > Why the bloody fucking hell would I apologize for their
> > disrupting of this newsgroup every time you fucking crosspost a
> > message there?

Well gosh, perhaps because you go out of your way to be offensive,
and that's not considered acceptable behavior even in Google Groups?

> Because you want to make peace

If that were the case he would not be so worked up as to use phrases
like "bloody fuck" (footnote), particularly when he doesn't seem to be
particularly British.

> & reduce the level of what you consider disruption, perhaps

Nah, that just gives him the opportunity to be self-righteous.

> rather than cowering in sci.lang to make
> offensive remarks about people you hope won't see them.

It's analogous to the way racists use racially derogatory terms
among themselves, but never in public.

(footnote) BTW, does "bloody fuck" merely combine the specifically
British usage of "bloody" as a curse word with "fuck" for added
emphasis, or does the combination connote the "unclean" aspect of
sexual intercourse during menstruation?

Dr. HotSalt

Dosie Netsee

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Mar 18, 2013, 6:29:18 PM3/18/13
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Show you how to make it bounce like a bad check..

>
>
>
> > No one at aue has a right to complain about boring threads.
>
>
>
>
>
> Is someone standing behind you forcing you to read AUE?

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Mar 19, 2013, 2:40:04 PM3/19/13
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"Dr. HotSalt" <alie...@gmail.com> wrote

>(footnote) BTW, does "bloody fuck" merely combine the specifically
>British usage of "bloody" as a curse word with "fuck" for added
>emphasis, or does the combination connote the "unclean" aspect of
>sexual intercourse during menstruation?

I know an Australian bartender from Vienna. He's says a bloody
fuck is a euro-fag version of the traditional bloody mary. It has
kiwis in it instead of tabasco sauce.

BTW, who the hell is oTTo? The only Otto I knew on usenet died
a tragic death while trying to refurbish a Soviet-era battle tractor.

--Tedward


Zaphod Beeblebrox

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Mar 19, 2013, 3:12:19 PM3/19/13
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On 3/19/2013 2:40 PM, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> "Dr. HotSalt" <alie...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> (footnote) BTW, does "bloody fuck" merely combine the specifically
>> British usage of "bloody" as a curse word with "fuck" for added
>> emphasis, or does the combination connote the "unclean" aspect of
>> sexual intercourse during menstruation?
>
> I know an Australian bartender from Vienna. He's says a bloody
> fuck is a euro-fag version of the traditional bloody mary. It has
> kiwis in it instead of tabasco sauce.
>

For some reason the Australians never liked the Kiwis.

TimC

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Mar 19, 2013, 5:18:40 PM3/19/13
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On 2013-03-19, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> BTW, who the hell is oTTo? The only Otto I knew on usenet died
> a tragic death while trying to refurbish a Soviet-era battle tractor.

Sounds like our oTTo.

--
TimC
we don't have airplanes anymore, we have flying Solaris boxes with a
big bucketful of SCADA controllers -- Cory Doctorow

David DeLaney

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Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:31 AM3/20/13
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TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
>On 2013-03-19, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> BTW, who the hell is oTTo? The only Otto I knew on usenet died
>> a tragic death while trying to refurbish a Soviet-era battle tractor.
>
>Sounds like our oTTo.

Yeah, death isn't really enough to disconnect you from the Hivemind.

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Mar 22, 2013, 5:46:14 PM3/22/13
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"TimC" <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote

>> BTW, who the hell is oTTo? The only Otto I knew on usenet died
>> a tragic death while trying to refurbish a Soviet-era battle tractor.
>
> Sounds like our oTTo.

I am sorry to report that his last words were not, "Hey, watch this!"
He was legally drunk though.

--Tedward


bar...@bookpro.com

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Mar 23, 2013, 10:10:59 AM3/23/13
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:46:14 -0400, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy"
<e...@o.com> wrote:

>He was legally drunk though.

Well, duh.

BW

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Mar 24, 2013, 7:26:17 PM3/24/13
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"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote

>>> BTW, who the hell is oTTo? The only Otto I knew on usenet died
>>> a tragic death while trying to refurbish a Soviet-era battle tractor.
>>
>>Sounds like our oTTo.
>
> Yeah, death isn't really enough to disconnect you from the Hivemind.

Indeed!

--Tedward


Adam Funk

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Mar 25, 2013, 2:43:11 PM3/25/13
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Organization: $CABAL
Followup-To:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> I see the shithead crossposted to the cretin group again.
>
> The cretin who responded has no idea what the problem is and pretended
> to be testing "Old Google Groups" and probably put in "double line
> spacing" by hand.


Hey, look who's showing off his intellectual vocabulary again!


--
Nam Sibbyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla
pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: beable beable beable; respondebat
illa: doidy doidy doidy. [plorkwort]

Pook Took

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Mar 25, 2013, 7:42:44 PM3/25/13
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Did you fuck any glass

Adam Funk

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Mar 27, 2013, 8:18:05 AM3/27/13
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On 2013-03-13, António Marques wrote:

> (Dogfood religion removed.)


Now now, you should be able to see just what sci.lang's Dictator for
Life has accomplished by making offensive remarks.
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