INFORMATION ABOUT UFOs
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Let the games begin. The only rule is that there are no rules.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
if we can get everybody talking again.
Welcome to everyone including Rich, Glenda, Blondie and all Earthlings.
John Winsoton.
THE SHADOW
People of the city of Rome, lend me your ears.... I have not come to praise
John Winston but to bury him. The citizen wish blood and I shall give them
some.{Shadow pulls sword from his sheath}. Take this ye handler of the alien
devils......{gore,blood and other fun time stuff pours from the body!!!}
Take this you worm of a dog and I laugh at your puny thread. May he who
has the courage attack me.....I am the new king of Rome,long live The
Shadow.......
The Shadow takes a nice long swig of Space Syrup(tm) and bows to the crowd{
most boo this piece of slime others have no idea what the hell he means and
walk off to their homes....the rest, just stand in awe at this figure holding
a glowing sword!}......
Who is this Shadow? Why does he hold a glowing sword? What is this
Space syrup he keeps pouring down his throat? And what the hell is he babbling
about? Find these out in the next exciting show of.... Shadow:New Age Creep!.
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Signed The Shadow
THE SHADOW
>John Winsoton.
Look! A new rock group! Boy,dig that crazy sound!!:)
Signed The Shadow
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And look, John wrote the words to their new hit song... Everybody's talking!
I don't think it will beat out Space Syrup for the number 2 spot this week
but hey, dare we dream!!
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> People of the city of Rome, lend me your ears.... I have not come to praise
>John Winston but to bury him. The citizen wish blood and I shall give them
>some.{Shadow pulls sword from his sheath}. Take this ye handler of the alien
>devils......{gore,blood and other fun time stuff pours from the body!!!}
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I wonder what Blondie has been up to lately? She has not posted for a
while.
Perhaps she's been abducted... (like she wanted)
>John Winsoton.
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John_-_...@cup.portal.com
I have been submitting the questions to the people from the future
on a regular basis but there has also been a few questions asked to
me personally that I will now address. Hold on here we go and some
of you probably already know most of this information. I hope I do
not insult your intelligence.........................................
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First question.
Who are the Greys? I see them mentioned quite a bit on the Net.
Answer: The Greys are a group of space people who have a grey color to
their skin, thus they are referred to by us as Greys. They come mostly
from the third planet of the star Zeta Recticuli Two. People think
that they are doing most of the abductions of our people.
Second question.
What would any space people want to trade with us for? What do we have
that they would possibly want?
Answer: The Grey have reproduced by cloning or scientific means for so
long that they can no longer procreate in the normal way. They are very
logical and emotionless. They operate on a group mind level. They have
been given permission and help from the guardian type space people and
our government to mate with our people. They now have succeeded in doing
this and have some children that have the good characteristics of both
races (they are more emotional than the Greys, smarter than us, operate
half way as a group and also as an individual), and they are beautiful.
Third question.
What is the photon belt?
Answer: The Photon Belt is an area of the universe that we go through
twice every 26,000 years. It is a place where we will have total light
everywhere. It's mentioned in a lot of places such as the Bible. Man
and Womenkind have a tendency to wipe themselves out about ever 5,000
years so some of us don't remember going through it before.
That's all folks.
John Winston.
Edward Flaherty
>
> What is the photon belt?
>
> Answer: The Photon Belt is an area of the universe that we go through
> twice every 26,000 years. It is a place where we will have total light
> everywhere. It's mentioned in a lot of places such as the Bible. Man
> and Womenkind have a tendency to wipe themselves out about ever 5,000
> years so some of us don't remember going through it before.
>
> That's all folks.
>
> John Winston.
J.W. is so amazingly full of shit. The sun resides in the Orion
belt of the Milky Way, and "orbits" the center of the galaxy about once
every 250 million years. Unless you're inside a star or in a tightly
packed globular cluster, there are no places where there is "total light
everywhere." Not to mention that such a belt would show up rather
conspicuously in a telescopic scan of the night skies, under any light
filter.
John either needs to tell us if this garbage is entertainment, in
which case it's not garbage but a gem, or whether he thinks it's for real,
in which case he is, of course, full of big bowels o' shit.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Here is some information from my friend who is in contact from the future
people.
Hi John; I'll try to get answers for all questions over the weekend and
get them to you as soon as I can. The questions seem typical from what I
have seen from 1st timers. They must muddle through skepticism (which is
healthy) and then they'll eventually get to the meat. In addition to the
questions I will also start them talking about Earth's past (as far back
as they can go). How do they know these things? There is a stream of
consciousness which exists, which in old texts or mystical circles is
referred to as the Akashic Records; Edgar Cayce referred to it as a library.
.others who are able to control themselves enough to be able to "touch" it
also refer to it as an all-knowing area. These people can "touch" this
area at will and can read/interpret information from it.
Just to let you know..one of the ways that they have changed is through the
use of genetic engineering.. and population then is around 100,000 people(JW
that doesn't seem logically. Maybe he meant something else).
I'll get a proper answer and post it. This was for you.
r-----.
JW It seems he knows what he talking about to me.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
This is the second part of the discussion about UFOs around Clear Lake,
Calif....................................................................
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The young man I wrote about in the last two issues feels that he was not
abducted by the Greys but by another, more compassionate, race of alien
beings which saved him from being abducted by the Greys, and that is why
his experience was a positive one. Though he remembers very little about
the actual experience, this is the intuitive impression he had of the
incident.
Lots of UFOs have been photographed and filmed by local UFO researchers
and investigators at Clear Lake. It is also believed by some investigators
that there is a plan between the government and the aliens. These events
regarding the aliens and our government remind me of the events discussed
by a man named Jorge Martin from Puerto Rico. I heard Martin speak at a
UFO conference in Springfield, Missouri about numerous varied sightings
of UFOs in Puerto Rico. Martin stated that when the UFOs are around there
are also many U.S. government planes, jets and helicopters in the air. Most
of the time there is no "chase" activity going on, instead, there appears to
be a cooperative effort between the aliens and the U.S. government.
I have heard from two people from the Marysvile area with some interesting
UFO sightings. For those of you without a California map, Maryville is
located about 40 miles north of Sacramento and, interestingly enough, about
60 miles due west of Clear Lake. One woman called me on January 5th at 8:40
p.m. She lives in Marysville and wanted me to know about a sighting that had
just happened! At about 8:30 that evening (just minutes before she called
me) she had seen three lights positioned in a triangle (perhaps on the bottom
of a triangle-shaped craft?) in the sky, which appeared to be travelling much
faster than a plane. It was coming in from the south, then scooped toward
the east and disappeared.
She said the craft made no noise at all and flew right over her head. The
three lights were an amber/orange color and were not blinking, as is
traditional with low-flying aircraft. Its movements were not those of a
normal airplane or even a jet, at least none that she knew of. She was sure
this was not one of the experimental craft tested at the Beal Air Force base,
a few miles east of Marysville.
It is possible that this women's report may be of experimental craft owned
by the U.S. government, as the craft returned in the direction of the local
Air Force base. On the other had, military bases are where UFOs have been
sighted since the 1940s. I believe it is possible she saw a real UFO, and
that our military has contact with some of the E.T. technology and is
experimenting with it.
The same week I received this phone call, I happened to have a conversation
with a friend who told me a story about her mother who lives in Marysville.
She'd possibly witnessed a UFO 12 years ago. "These are simiple farming
folks," my friend told me, "and never in a milion years would they believe
in a UFO unless it bit them on the nose." Actually, it crashed in the
neighbor's yard with a brilliant explosiion of light. The neighbors were
not home and, when she spoke with them the next day, they shrugged it off as
a "small fire" and told her to forget it. Several other neighbors witnessed
the incident as well, though no real evidence of it remained after the
incident.
These are but a few of the stories I have collected about the greater
Sacramento area sightings. My husband has seen several large UFOs in
broad daylight near Fairfield, located between Berkeley and Vacaville on
Highway 80. Each time he has seen them, he has been driving his car. He
looks around to see if anyone else is looking, but says everyone seems to
be in their own world in a trance-like state-missing some of the most
exciting shows on Earth! (Share your UFO-related experiences by writing
to Raphaelle Tamura c/o "UFO Report," Psychic Reader, 2210 Harold Way,
Berkeley, CA 94704-1425.)
The End. Part 2.
Source Of Information: March 1994, Psychic Reader.
John Winston.
Callan Jacobson
: Subject: Answers To Comments.
: I have been submitting the questions to the people from the future
: on a regular basis but there has also been a few questions asked to
: me personally that I will now address. Hold on here we go and some
: of you probably already know most of this information. I hope I do
: not insult your intelligence.........................................
Too late.
: First question.
: Who are the Greys? I see them mentioned quite a bit on the Net.
And on the backs of milk cartons.
: Answer: The Greys are a group of space people who have a grey color to
: their skin, thus they are referred to by us as Greys. They come mostly
: from the third planet of the star Zeta Recticuli Two. People think
: that they are doing most of the abductions of our people.
When it actually is a couple of guys named "Vinnie".
: Second question.
: What would any space people want to trade with us for? What do we have
: that they would possibly want?
The secret ingredient in Coke.
: Answer: The Grey have reproduced by cloning or scientific means for so
: long that they can no longer procreate in the normal way. They are very
: logical and emotionless. They operate on a group mind level. They have
: been given permission and help from the guardian type space people and
: our government to mate with our people. They now have succeeded in doing
: this and have some children that have the good characteristics of both
: races (they are more emotional than the Greys, smarter than us, operate
: half way as a group and also as an individual), and they are beautiful.
The kind of beautiful you see after tripping on Peyote and Jaegermeister,
right "John"?
: Third question.
: What is the photon belt?
Much like the "cotton belt" or the "corn belt", the photon belt is a
region of space from which photon torpedoes are harvested by the Federation.
: Answer: The Photon Belt is an area of the universe that we go through
: twice every 26,000 years. It is a place where we will have total light
: everywhere. It's mentioned in a lot of places such as the Bible. Man
: and Womenkind have a tendency to wipe themselves out about ever 5,000
: years so some of us don't remember going through it before.
Except "John": he was a bullshitter in his previous lives, too.
: That's all folks.
Oh, we should be so lucky.
Folks, if you believe this garbage than you fit the stereotypical
UFO-believer profile so often displayed in the entertainment industry.
BUT: let me just say that I am not debunking UFOlogy as a whole.
Cal J.
No former life.
No spirits in my body.
No aliens in my backyard.
No problem.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Yesterday while going over to Fry's Electronics in the heart of Silcon
Valley, I chanced to search for a picture of Kibo in a magazine called
Wired. I checked with the salesperson in charge and he said that he
had never heard of such a magazine. I then checked with two intelligent
looking people and their response was the same. Then not 20 more feet down
the magazine rack I found it, a copy of Wired. I couldn't find the picture
for it must have been in an earlier issue. On with the futile search.
John Winston.
Info Sys Operations
>Subject: INFORMATION ABOUT UFOs
>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 17:19:14 PST
>Dear People Of Earth: I hereby start this new thread or collection.
>Let the games begin. The only rule is that there are no rules.
>John Winston.
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Who the F$#K is this JOHN_-_WINSTON ,Where is he from ? Does HE WALK
society FREELY (sp?) might I request A little back ground info on this
guy from somebody who 's belief in alien visitor's isn't based on info
from sh*t tabloid's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank's in advance
J>B.
Andrew Hime
Info Sys Operations (ais...@utdallas.edu) wrote:
Tell me you don't run the machine you posted from.
: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You can get rid of those two lines right there.
: Who the F$#K is this JOHN_-_WINSTON ,Where is he from ? Does HE WALK
fuck John_-_Winston? Where is he from? Does he walk
: society FREELY (sp?) might I request A little back ground info on this
freely? Might I request a little background info on this
: guy from somebody who 's belief in alien visitor's isn't based on info
whose visitors
: from sh*t tabloid's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit tabloids? ^^^This can be deleted also.
: Thank's in advance
Thanks in advance, or advTHANKSance.
: J>B.
J.B.
Remember kids: When you pluralize something, you DO NOT add an apostrophe!
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
I would now like to discuss the Mantell Case from the prospective of a
person from Earth watching it and then from the prospective of the space
people who were involved in the incident. Now on with the story as told
by the person who witnessed it, Richard Miller.................................
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On January 7, 1948, I happened to be in the Operation's Room at Scott
Air Force Base in Belleville, Illinois. Now in the military we had what
was called an Air Defense Sector and Scott Air Force Base was part of such
an Air Defence Sector: the same one that involves Fort Knox in Kentucky --
and on this particular day a UFO had appeared in the Fort Knox area. I
should mention that the air space over Fort Knox is restricted. In other
words, private aircraft and military aircraft do not fly over Fort Knox.
Therefore, an unidentified flying object over Fort Knox created quite a
stir. All of the air bases in that Air Defense Sector were alerted. I
happened to be in the Operation's Room when the alert came through. All of
the various air bases in the sector were tied together on a common
communications link so that all such bases could hear what was going on, and
the action was taking place at Godman (JW That may be Goodman for all I
know) Air Force Base in Kentucky on that day. The tower operators at Godman
AFB suddenly viewed a UFO flying in the near vicinity of Fort Knox. It was
observed first with binoculars by the tower control personnel. They
immediatly alerted the base commander at Godman and got him to come to
base headquarters. Then, the alert went out to all the air bases in the
sector, because at that time we did not have very many jet interceptors
around, but we did have the fastest thing in the Air Force at that time
that was commonly availabe, the F-51 Fighter, a propeller dirven aircraft.
About the time of this UFO sighting a squadron of four F-51's was flying
near Godman AFB. The tower operator called them on his radio and asked
them to pursue this object and attempt to identify it. The pilot in charge
of the flight was Captain Thomas Mantell. At Scott AfB we were listening to
the radio traffic between Godman tower, Captain Mantell amd three other
aircraft that were with him. the first alert occurred at 1:50 in the
afternoon, and at 2:30 P.M., Captain Mantell's flight was alerted to start
the pursuit.
My notes of this incident say that Captain Mantell's flight was running
low on fuel; so his three wingmen asked permission at various stages of
the pursuit, to land at Godman AFB for refueling and to take on oxygen
equipment. None of these planes were equipped with oxygen as this was a
routine low level flight.
Captain Mantell was the only one who did not report back to the base for
refueling or for oxygen. After spotting the object, Mantell called Godman
tower and said, "I see it. It's above and ahead of me and I'm still
climbing."
One of his wingmen who was still with him at that time asked, "What the
h--- are we looking for?" He hadn't seen the object. Mantell answered him
and said, "The object is directly ahead and above me," thus directing the
other pilot's attention to its location. That was at 2:45 P.M.
At 3:05 P.M., Mantell again called in on his radio and said, "I've sighted
the thing. It's metalic and tremendous in size; it's starting to climb
higher." Now at this time both the object and Mantell and one fighter plane
still with him were being observed, through binoculars, by the tower
personnel.
At 3:10 P.M., five minutes later, Mantell again called in and said, "It's
climbing still higher. It's twelve o'clock high, making half my speed. I'll
try and close in." At that time, the remaining pilot with him, a Lt.
Hammond, called him and sid, "Level Off, Captain, until I regain visual
contact." Mantell's F-51 was clibling so rapidly that even his wingman was
having a hard time keeping up witm, and had lost sight of him. His wingman
then reported that he had lost sight of Mantell.
Part 1.
Source Of Information: Star Wards, Welcome Home Earthman, by Richard Miller.
John Winston.
David DeLaney
John_-_Winston (Dear People Who Breath Air: ):
Believes semi-passionately in alien visitors and UFOs; hangs out at those
newsgroups a lot in consequence thereof, as well as sci.skeptic. This in
itself would not distinguish him, but he frequently crossposts
"interesting" articles into alt.religion.kibology, in the teeth of He Who
Greps. This if nothing else qualifies him for "legendary" status. Likes
(or believes!) the X-Files for some reason.
--
From the a.r.k FAQ: "IS JOHN_-_WINSTON SERIOUS? AND WHAT'S WITH THE `_-_'?"
I'd like to answer that question in two parts. First, John_-_ is a
perfectly normal alt.religion.kibology household word. And second, the _-_
is actually a single letter in Chippewa meaning, approximately, "sideways
schwa". How this relates contextually to the information he posts about
UFOs is something only the Reptoids from Behind The Green Galaxy can tell us.
--
Posts from John_-_...@cup.portal.com .
Dave "You asked for it, you got it: cup_-_porrrr-tal" DeLaney
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standing." - S. Capsuto; Disclaimer: IMNSHO; Thinking about this disclaimer __
may cause headaches, offense, brain seizure, or particle physics. VR beable \/
http://enigma.phys.utk.edu for the net.legends FAQ, middle of page, public ftp
Evolve or Perish
> Who the F$#K is this JOHN_-_WINSTON ,Where is he from ? Does HE WALK
> society FREELY (sp?) might I request A little back ground info on this
> guy from somebody who 's belief in alien visitor's isn't based on info
> from sh*t tabloid's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Thank's in advance
Please take your apostrophes out of alt.religion.kibology.
IHNJH, IJLS: "sh*t tabloid's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
b r e t t
--
I am one mean bastard / with lighter fluid / instead of brains.
I am a lightning rod for being a lighter-fluid-brain-man, and one
mean bastard, instead of brains.
- Joy Joy Joy
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Here is some more information from my friend who communicates with
the people from the future..........................................
The first statements are my comments to him then he responds to me.
>> Dear Raymon: Here comes another question to ask. John Winston While
>> your asking them you might ask another one for me and it's kinda
>> long. 1. If you people come back here in time and live a long time
>> then die of old age in this time, do you sometime reincarnate in this
>> time and not remember when your born again that you are from the
>> future. Thanks, John Winston.
Hello John; I'll be having a session tonight to get all the answers
to questions so far. I'll ask this one as well but to my knowledge
they don't come here and live and die. They only communicate with
us via this mode.
However..there are those, in our own time, who live here that are
not from here. They are here mostly for study..sociology,etc.
These people that we converse with do not live in our time...they
live in their own time and live a long time.
r-----.
JW So we get a information from time to time.
John Winston.
Jeremy Reimer
>I've decided to be nice and edit your little post for you.
>Info Sys Operations (ais...@utdallas.edu) wrote:
>Tell me you don't run the machine you posted from.
>: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>You can get rid of those two lines right there.
But WHY???
>: Who the F$#K is this JOHN_-_WINSTON ,Where is he from ? Does HE WALK
> fuck John_-_Winston? Where is he from? Does he walk
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
This is the PROPER way to do it!!!! READ CLOSELY!
>: society FREELY (sp?) might I request A little back ground info on this
F----- b--- g-----
>: guy from somebody who 's belief in alien visitor's isn't based on info
w----- v--------
>: from sh*t tabloid's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit t-------- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111
>: Thank's in advance
> Thanks in advance, or advTHANKSance.
>: J>B.
> J.B.
>Remember kids: When you pluralize something, you DO NOT add an apostrophe!
'Yes 'you 'do!'!'
--
Jeremy "OS/2ibo" Reimer
Promoting Better Netting Through Mediocrity since 1989.
"This is the snobbery of the people on the Mayflower looking down
their noses at the people who came over ON THE SECOND BOAT!"
- Mitch Kapor, on Usenet elitism
lmcc...@freya.cs.umass.edu
> Yesterday while going over to Fry's Electronics in the heart of Silcon
>Valley, I chanced to search for a picture of Kibo in a magazine called Wired.
Did you _really_ expect to find Kibo in a functional Egyptian temple posing as
a suburban computer supplies store ?
Try somewhere a little less obvious next time; good luck in your quest !
-Lewis
"In this life, you're on your own. And if the elevator tries to
bring you down...go crazy ! (Punch a higher number)" -Prince
John Dunlevy
....
: Third question.
: What is the photon belt?
: Answer: The Photon Belt is an area of the universe that we go through
: twice every 26,000 years. It is a place where we will have total light
: everywhere. It's mentioned in a lot of places such as the Bible. Man
: and Womenkind have a tendency to wipe themselves out about ever 5,000
: years so some of us don't remember going through it before.
That's funny, I heard we passed through the Photon Belt once every 13,000
years.
--
John Dunlevy
h935...@idefix.wu-wien.ac.at
Info Sys Operations
>From: hi...@ocf.nms.unt.edu (Andrew Hime)
>Subject: Re: INFORMATION ABOUT UFOs
>Date: 7 Mar 1994 21:59:19 GMT
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F#$K YOU POINDEXTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
part of the UFO Report. The second part came through already.
Subject: UFO Report. Clear Lake UFOs.
Here is some information about UFOs that was given to me by a friend. I
thought I would share it with you........................................
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Is the Greatest Show on Earth Performed by Extraterrestrials?
For the last two months, Raphaelle has been discussing UFO/alien activity
occurring around the Clear Lake region of California. Her last two articles
have referred to the case of a young friend of hers who had an interesting
alien experience near Clear Lake. Raphaelle continues to gather more area-
related informaiton in this month's article.
I recently found an article in UFO magazine entitled UFO Sightings Over
Clearlake. (Clearlake is a small town located on the southeast side of
Clear Lake.) It discusses events that are happening around this California
lake and states that this area is quickly becoming a major UFO investigation
point. According to the article, the sightings around that area have been
going on for decades, but the most recent "UFO flap" started in the spring of
1993 (the month of my young friend's experience), UFO investigations
dramatically increased. If you are in the Clear Lake area, it seems that
you have a good chance of seeing a UFO if you go out between 2:30 a.m. and
sunrise.
The article describes the Greys as the type of alien entity most seen
around that area and cites an incredible amount of government activity as
well. The Greys have the reputation for being one of the primary races of
aliens that tend to abduct humans. The main reason for these abductions
seems to be some sort of genetic experimentaion and rsearch which includes
probing the humans, taking tissue, sperm and ova samples, and performing
other insidious physical invasions.
Part 1.
Source Of Information. March 1994 Psychic Reader.
John Winston.
john baez
>: Third question.
>: What is the photon belt?
>
>: Answer: The Photon Belt is an area of the universe that we go through
>: twice every 26,000 years. It is a place where we will have total light
>: everywhere.
No, we pass through the Photon Belt approximately every 24 hours. I
try my best to avoid it but am occaisionally caught unawares.
Recently heard at a local 24-hour store: "Hi! Better watch out! We're
approaching the Photon Belt!"
Steve Frost
And the only rule for those who don't wish to play is:
Let's pretend, and then let's pretend we're not pretending
Opinions I pretend are those of my own, not my employer's.
- Steve Frost . . . . . . . char...@qm.wv.tek.com
" . . . and who knew if the shadow of the butterfly
did not terrify the poor caterpillar as much as did
that of the bird." - Whitley Strieber
Andrew Hime
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Uhhuh, my editor just did something wacky and funky. So, are you B1FF's
older brother perchance? We've been looking for him since he took away
the VIC-20.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Now we go into the second part of our story of Richard Miller seeing a
UFO being pursued by Captain Mantell....................................
........................................................................
At 3:15 P.M., just a few minutes later, Mantell called in again and said,
"It's still above me making my spped or better. I am going up to 20,000
feet. If I'm no closer then, I'll abandon chase."
This is where the official Air Force account ends. However, there was one
further radio transmission from Mantell at 3:18 that afernoon. His last
statement has been stricken from all of the official records. He said: "My
God. I see people in this thing." That was his last actual comment.
After that, the tower lost sight of Mantell and the object. They called
Mantell repeatedly on the radio but he didn't answer.
At 5:50 that evening, some two hours later, Godman Tower received a
telephone call from Staniford Air Force Base. They had received a phone
report from a farmer in Franklin, Kentucky that a plane with a certain
serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The crash has
occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
About 6:00 P.M. the alert was cancelled. The object had disappeared,
Mantell had crashed; Captain Mantell was dead.
The next morning there was a briefing on what was now the "Mantell
Case." I won't go into all of the details of that briefing other than to
say that Mantell's plane had flown for one hour and twenty minutes
beyond his avialable fuel supply. No one could account for that. Captain
Mantell met his death as a result of exceeding 12,000 feet without oxygen.
He blacked out, lost control of the aircraft and crashed. However, this
presented the investigators with a major problem. If he was balcked out and
unconscious, which would have occurred at appproximately 3:25 P.M., how did
the aircraft continue to fly for an hour and twenty-five minutes with an
unconcious pilot at the controls? And with no fuel in the tanks.
There was another mysterious happening in the Mantell Case which raised
tremendous questions. An aircraft falling from that height, about 20,000
feet, out of control, would normally go into a spin condition. This
was a stick controlled aircraft. All of you have seen pictures of such
old planes where the pilot has this control stick between his knees. Had
he been unconcious he would have let loose of the stick, his feet would have
relaxed and the rudder pedals, and the plane would have gone into a spin,
particularly an F-51.
That being the case, when the aricraft hit the ground in a spinning
condition, it should have bored a hole in the ground some fifteen to
twenty feet deep. Mantell's plane hit the ground perfectly flat and the
earth beneath the aircraft was only compressed two inches.
Part 2.
Source Of Information: Star Wards by Richard Miller.
John Winston.
Andrew Hime
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Dean Adams
just a few comments, for the hell of it...
> My notes of this incident say that Captain Mantell's flight was running
>low on fuel; so his three wingmen asked permission at various stages of
>the pursuit, to land at Godman AFB for refueling and to take on oxygen
>equipment. None of these planes were equipped with oxygen as this was a
>routine low level flight.
Actually, the P-51/F-51 has a built-in oxygen system. For an aircraft
certified for up to a 40,000+ ft. service ceiling, this is mandatory.
> At 3:15 P.M., just a few minutes later, Mantell called in again and
said,
>"It's still above me making my spped or better. I am going up to 20,000
>feet. If I'm no closer then, I'll abandon chase."
If he had no O2, then he would not try flying to FL 200...
> At 5:50 that evening, some two hours later, Godman Tower received a
>telephone call from Staniford Air Force Base. They had received a phone
>report from a farmer in Franklin, Kentucky that a plane with a certain
>serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The crash has
>occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
"NG-3869" is not a standard AF serial number format.
>Mantell met his death as a result of exceeding 12,000 feet without oxygen.
>He blacked out, lost control of the aircraft and crashed.
So your account is that he committed suicide? He never would have
said "going to 20,000" in the first place, so that casts quite a
bit of doubt on this whole account.
> That being the case, when the aricraft hit the ground in a spinning
>condition, it should have bored a hole in the ground some fifteen to
>twenty feet deep.
Heh, heh... No, not by a longshot. A P-51 is not a "drill", and its
certainly not made of LEAD! A light aircraft like the P-51 could do
anything like that, and "spinning" certainly has nothing to do with it.
>Mantell's plane hit the ground perfectly flat and the
>earth beneath the aircraft was only compressed two inches.
Sounds fairly reasonable. Its possible for these things to
almost disintegrate when hitting the ground out of control.
gw...@csupomona.edu
+>
+> Here is some more information from my friend who communicates with
+> the people from the future..........................................
+>
+> The first statements are my comments to him then he responds to me.
+>
+>>> Dear Raymon: Here comes another question to ask. John Winston While
+>>> your asking them you might ask another one for me and it's kinda
+>>> long. 1. If you people come back here in time and live a long time
+>>> then die of old age in this time, do you sometime reincarnate in this
+>>> time and not remember when your born again that you are from the
+>>> future. Thanks, John Winston.
+>
+> .............[stuff deleted]
+>
+> JW So we get a information from time to time.
+>
+> John Winston.
Mr. Winston,
I take it that you didn't read any of the posts with the subject line
"Re: Answers From a Spaceperson."..... Otherwise, why didn't you ask any of the
questions we had?
Please answer at least one of them soon. Thank you.
Glenn Wang <GW...@vmsb.is.CSUPomona.edu>
Alistair M Henderson
dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) wrote:
>>...plane with a certain
>>serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The crash has
>>occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
>"NG-3869" is not a standard AF serial number format.
This certainly isn't a USAF serial number but it sounds to me like a 'buzz-number'.
These were put on the sides of USAF aircraft at around that time, presumably to
allow their identification by ppl on the ground. These took the form of two
letters followed by a dash and, I think, 4 numbers.
Alistair Henderson.
Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, Scotland.
Email: cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk
Dean Adams
In article <CMG3B...@cee.hw.ac.uk> cee...@bdgd4c3.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Alistair M Henderson) writes:
>dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) wrote:
>>>...plane with a certain
>>>serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The crash has
>>>occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
>
>>"NG-3869" is not a standard AF serial number format.
>
>This certainly isn't a USAF serial number but it sounds to me like a 'buzz-number'.
>These were put on the sides of USAF aircraft at around that time, presumably to
>allow their identification by ppl on the ground. These took the form of two
>letters followed by a dash and, I think, 4 numbers.
Don't worry, I thought of that. :)
Buzz numbers used a two-letter prefix, followed by THREE digits,
normally the last three of the aircraft serial number.
The correct buzz prefix for a F-51 is "FF" (previously it was "PF").
"NG" is not a valid code, except for some limited later use by
national guard aircraft. Therefore "NG-3869" sounds like it was
probably just made up...
Chuck Turnitsa
>
> dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) wrote:
>
> >>occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
>
> >"NG-3869" is not a standard AF serial number format.
>
> These were put on the sides of USAF aircraft at around that time, presumably to
> allow their identification by ppl on the ground. These took the form of two
> letters followed by a dash and, I think, 4 numbers.
>
> Alistair Henderson.
>
> Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> Email: cee...@cee.hw.ac.uk
>
The number, as any fan of My Favorite Martian could tell you, was the
serial number of Martin's saucer.
We were wondering where that got to. . .
chuck
c.d.tu...@larc.nasa.gov
famouse hollywood ddddirektooor
Phil Hayward
> Actually, the P-51/F-51 has a built-in oxygen system. For an aircraft
> certified for up to a 40,000+ ft. service ceiling, this is mandatory.
I think the implication was that the oxygen bottle(s) were either empty or not
fitted on this occasion.
Phil
--
Phil Hayward
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
I will now attempt to put this information in again. Please don't read it
if you have already seen it.
Subject: The Mantell Incident. Part 3.
We are now to part three of the case of the crash of Captain Mantell.....
...........................................................................
The investigators found that hard to believe with one exception, the
eyewitness report of the farmer on whose farm the plane crashed. He saw
the plane coming down in a spin, but he then made a statement which just
literally blew everybody's mind. He said as the aircraft reached treetop
level, it was enveloped by a brilliant white flash of light. This light
was so bright it was like looking at the sun. The aircraft appeared
to fall out of this light and pancake into the ground. Now whatever this
brilliant light was, it brought the aircraft out of a spin, and slowed
its rate of descent. Normally, an aircraft falling from that height would
have scattered wreckage over a wide area on impact. All that happened to
Mantell's plane was that the fuselage, the tail assembly, the rear empinage
and the wings broke off on impact. The tail assembly was less than a foot
away from the rest of the aircraft. The wings were only inches away from
the fuselage. If it hadn't been for the farmer's eyewitness report, it would
have looked as if a giant crane had picked the aircraft and then dropped
it in a flat position. It would have created the same type of damage. Some
mysterious force had somehow interfered with the crash of this aircraft.
When the plane hit the ground Captain Mantell's shoulder straps broke,
he flew forward over the control stick and it impaled him through the
chest. That is how Captain Mantell died.
The aircraft, contrary to many stories, was not found to be radio-
active. Also, there was not unusual magnetic phenomena about the aircraft.
That is, no parts were mysteriously magnetized, contrary to some writ-
ers. The aircraft had funtioned perfectly and had experinced not mal-
functions of any kind. All electrical and mechanical systems were
checked out at the crash site and the aircraft had been in perfect fly-
in condition. But, the fuel tanks were dry and there was no spillage
of fuel on the ground at the crash site, again verifying that the tanks
were dry.
Quite an investigation took place that evening at the crash site.
The next morning a briefing took place in which all the factors I'm
divulging were brought out. That briefing looked like the end of it.
A report, as a result of this briefing, was forwarded to the Air Force
Intelligence Command (ATIC) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base -- with
the conclusion that Captain Mantell had met his death pursuing an intel-
ligently controlled unidentified flying object. We couldn't explain
anything else.
Part 3.
Source Of Information: Star Wards, by Richard Miller.
John Winston.
Part 3.
Source Of Information: Star Wards, by Richard Miller.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
As I have mentioned in the past, a person from Half Moon Bay, Calif. has
been saying that we will have a mass landing of the good type space people
some time between the spring of 1995 and the fall of 1996. He is trying to
get people to be hoping that this will happen. I just got some infromation
back from him and I'll now share it with you...............................
...........................................................................
FIRST CONTACT
EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT AND HUMAN EVOLUTION
A biographical Sketch
* Personal
Sheldon E. Nidle was born in New York city and moved to Buffalo, New York at
the age of three. His first extraterrestrial (ET) and UFO experiences began
in 1955 with various modes of phenomena and contact manifestations, e.g.
Light form phenomena, extraterrestrial visitations, teaching sessions,
telepathic communications, and direct core knowledge inserts. He has had
numerous craft sightings throughout the years. The educational content of
these contacts deal with: ancient and future extraterrestrial evolutionary
influences, celestial, and terrestrial history, spiritual dimensions,
concepts of time and space, and the transformation of the Earth.
At about 14 years old, Sheldon demanded the ETs to stop communicating with
him because he felt that their knowledge ran counter to contemporay
scientific reasoning . they left but told him they would be back. In high
school, he was place in advanced science programs such as physics, chemistry,
and calculus. As a teenager, he was part of a team that invented the field
ion microscope. As an undergraduate at the State University of New York at
Buffalo, he was vice president of the Amateur Astromers Club.
Due to Sheldon's education and research in the sciences, social sciences,
anthropology, and alternative technology Tesla et al., he is able to bring an
astute rational and scientific approach to this controversial subject.
*Education
M.A. in Southeast Asian Government, Ohio University (1970)
M.A. in American Politics and International Public Administration,
University of Southern California where he was also a Ph.D. candidate (1974-
1976).
* Occupation
In the 1970's, he was vice president for scientific programming for Syntar
Productions where he created a documentary on the life and accomplishments
of Nikola Tesla, the genius who invented the technology of the twentieth
century. All throughout the 1970's up to the mid-1980`s he was involved
in scientific research on alternative sources of electrical energy. In the
mid-1980's, his ET contacts reappeared and subsequently led him to the
information that is provided in the First Contact..newletters and his
lectures.
Lectures, Seminars, and Consultations.
*Lectures
Contact versus Abductions; Methods of Contact and Communication; Separating
informtion from fantasy; Et Missions and Objectives; Where are they from;
The Federation: Good Guys and Bad Guys; Extraterrestrial Contact - The
Gensis Story
* Seminars
Planetary Seeding and Celestial Evolution; the Dynamics of Bio-Forming;
Solar History and ET Influences; Celestial Navigation and Star Travel;
ET Origins and Cosmology; ET Species and Racial Types; Ets and the
Millenium; Advocate Groups
* Cosultations
Sheldon is availabel for private consultatins dealing with: Star origins,
clearing unconscious memory of contact and abductions, healing confusion
between earth spirituality concepts and ET\UFO phenomena, preparing
individuals for the upcoming Earth Frequency Shift.
Sheldon E. Nidle Representative and lecturer for Galactic Federation can be
reached at P.O. Box 811, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, Phone # (415) 726-2827
JW That is all I have time to put down for now.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
I had better wind this discussion up now, so I shorten this by using
my own words..............................................................
..........................................................................
After they examined Captain Mantell's plane a scientist by the name of
Dr. J. Allen Hynek from Northwestern University was brought in and he told
all they people that Captain Mantell mistakenly thought he was pursuing an
unidentified flying object. In reality, he was either chasing the reflection
of the planet Venus on the canopy of his aircraft or he was chasing the
planet Veus which was visible low on the horizon on the afternoon of this
incident. Mantell could not possibly have been chasing a UFO, nor was
there any UFO involved in this incident. The Air Force people were then
told to forget all of the follishness about the UFO and ordered not to
discuss the case with civilians or with the press.
Several years later, Dr. Hynek admitted, publically, that the Air Force
had pressured him into writing that particular report and conclusion.
.........................................................................
Now to the explanation from the perspective of the space people who were
flying the UFO. I read some information that was not from Richard Miller
from another source that was dealing what the space people said about the
incident. I can't remember what the source was, who wrote it and I don't
know who the space people were that said it but here is about the way it
went....... We saw Captain Mantell coming towards us and knew he didn't
wish us any harm, so we let him come closer. Due to the fact that his
plane had sharp edges on it's wings and other areas, when his plane came
in comtact with our protective force field, it penetrated the force field
rather than bouncing off like our round surfaced craft with force fields
normally do. As his plane came into our force field it was acted on and
cause the lose of the person's life and the stopping of the plane. We
regret this and will not make the same mistake again.
So there you have part of the rest of the story.
The End. Part 4.
Source Of Information: Star Wards, by Richard Miller.
John Winston.
dana galatea cooper
dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) emits:
>
>In article <CMG3B...@cee.hw.ac.uk> cee...@bdgd4c3.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Alis
>>dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) wrote:
>>>...plane with a certain
>>>serial number (NG-3869) had crashed on this man's farm. The crash has
>>>occurred at 4:45 in the afternoon.
>>
>
>Don't worry, I thought of that. :)
>
>Buzz numbers used a two-letter prefix, followed by THREE digits,
>normally the last three of the aircraft serial number.
>
>The correct buzz prefix for a F-51 is "FF" (previously it was "PF").
>"NG" is not a valid code, except for some limited later use by
>national guard aircraft. Therefore "NG-3869" sounds like it was
>probably just made up...
I was under the impression that a USAF buzz prefix was a shorthand for
the craft's home base. Am I wrong? It's just something I inferred
from a few air shots of planes whose bases were known. I could never
argue with Mr Adams's expert knowledge, of course, on any topic.
"Now you can install your new kernel and try it out."
-- SunOS 4.1.3, config(1)
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
be the same one that was listed in TV guide. Tonight's was a rerun where
they talked about cattle mutilation and it was about genetic engineering.
Next week is supposed to be the one about the "Miracle Man" The agents
investigate a faith healer who seems to use his power for both good and
evil.
John Winston.
Dean Adams
>dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) emits:
> >Buzz numbers used a two-letter prefix, followed by THREE digits,
> >normally the last three of the aircraft serial number.
> >The correct buzz prefix for a F-51 is "FF" (previously it was "PF").
> >"NG" is not a valid code, except for some limited later use by
> >national guard aircraft. Therefore "NG-3869" sounds like it was
> >probably just made up...
>
>I was under the impression that a USAF buzz prefix was a shorthand for
>the craft's home base.
No, that is the current system used today of two-letter tail codes.
Buzz number prefix letters were assigned to specific aircraft types.
For example: "FX" was assigned to the YF-12, and "FG" to the F-104.
Using buzz markings was phased out over 20 years ago however.
>It's just something I inferred from a few air shots of planes
> whose bases were known.
Thats what you see now days. For example the F-117 used to have "TR",
when based at Tonopah, and today "HO" for Holloman would be correct.
Some others are "ED" for Edwards, DM for Davis-Monthan, etc. You will
also find many Air National Guard units with tail codes the same as
their two-letter state abbreviation...
>I could never argue with Mr Adams's expert knowledge,
>of course, on any topic.
heh, heh... thats never stopped anyone before! :-)
Callan Jacobson
"Fantasy Hour with 'John _-\|/-_ Winston'"
Let's take another look at "John"'s ravings, shall we?
BTW: Why do I do this? Skim past my commentary and I'll tell you why...
John_-_...@flake.o.rama.com wrote:
: Subject: Mass Landings Of UFOs.
: As I have mentioned in the past, a person from Half Moon Bay, Calif. has
: been saying that we will have a mass landing of the good type space people
: some time between the spring of 1995 and the fall of 1996. He is trying to
: get people to be hoping that this will happen. I just got some infromation
: back from him and I'll now share it with you...............................
Oh, joy.
: FIRST CONTACT
: EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT AND HUMAN EVOLUTION
Or, "What I Did With Humankind Over Summer Vacation"
: Sheldon E. Nidle was born in New York city and moved to Buffalo, New York at
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does this sound like an anagram to anybody else?
: the age of three. His first extraterrestrial (ET) and UFO experiences began
: in 1955 with various modes of phenomena and contact manifestations, e.g.
: Light form phenomena, extraterrestrial visitations, teaching sessions,
: telepathic communications, and direct core knowledge inserts. He has had
...electroshock therapy yet still claims to have had...
: numerous craft sightings throughout the years. The educational content of
: these contacts deal with: ancient and future extraterrestrial evolutionary
: influences, celestial, and terrestrial history, spiritual dimensions,
: concepts of time and space, and the transformation of the Earth.
Wow! The Earth transforms! Wait until Hasbro gets a-hold of that idea! The
kids will LOVE it!
: At about 14 years old, Sheldon demanded the ETs to stop communicating with
: him because he felt that their knowledge ran counter to contemporay
: scientific reasoning . they left but told him they would be back. In high
: school, he was place in advanced science programs such as physics, chemistry,
: and calculus. As a teenager, he was part of a team that invented the field
: ion microscope.
<snort> right!
: As an undergraduate at the State University of New York at
: Buffalo, he was vice president of the Amateur Astromers Club.
: Due to Sheldon's education and research in the sciences, social sciences,
: anthropology, and alternative technology Tesla et al., he is able to bring an
: astute rational and scientific approach to this controversial subject.
: M.A. in Southeast Asian Government, Ohio University (1970)
: M.A. in American Politics and International Public Administration,
: University of Southern California where he was also a Ph.D. candidate (1974-
: 1976).
Sounds like a draft-dodger to me!
: In the 1970's, he was vice president for scientific programming for Syntar
: Productions where he created a documentary on the life and accomplishments
: of Nikola Tesla, the genius who invented the technology of the twentieth
: century. All throughout the 1970's up to the mid-1980`s he was involved
: in scientific research on alternative sources of electrical energy. In the
: mid-1980's, his ET contacts reappeared and subsequently led him to the
: information that is provided in the First Contact..newletters and his
: lectures.
Yet, this scientific genius has not produced any technical wonders since
then, and he remains unknown. Amazing!
: [Lectures:]
: Contact versus Abductions; Methods of Contact and Communication; Separating
: informtion from fantasy; Et Missions and Objectives; Where are they from;
: The Federation: Good Guys and Bad Guys; Extraterrestrial Contact - The
: Gensis Story
Sounds like he gave a summary of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
: * Seminars
: Planetary Seeding and Celestial Evolution; the Dynamics of Bio-Forming;
: Solar History and ET Influences; Celestial Navigation and Star Travel;
: ET Origins and Cosmology; ET Species and Racial Types; Ets and the
: Millenium; Advocate Groups
Yeah, now that you mention it, I think I saw him on an infomercial right
after Letterman.
: * Cosultations
: Sheldon is availabel for private consultatins dealing with: Star origins,
: clearing unconscious memory of contact and abductions, healing confusion
: between earth spirituality concepts and ET\UFO phenomena, preparing
: individuals for the upcoming Earth Frequency Shift.
Earth Frequency Shift?!? Does that mean I have to buy a new radio?
Or will the number of Earths increase? Will smoking be permitted on these
new Earths?
: Sheldon E. Nidle Representative and lecturer for Galactic Federation can be
: reached at P.O. Box 811, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, Phone # (415) 726-2827
Roscoe P. Coltrane, Sherriff and lawman of Hazard County can be reached by
carrier pigeon.
Anyone want to bother calling that number? I won't waste *my* money.
: JW That is all I have time to put down for now.
Awww, darn!
Once again I have targeted "John" for ridicule. Some of you may wonder
why I am doing this, while I still claim to be an "open-minded skeptic"
(a term some out there feel is an oxymoron).
Personally, I believe that life exists elsewhere in our galaxy. Very
probably intelligent life; possibly a lot of it. There is a good chance
that one or more of these intelligent species still exist (think about
it: given the age of the universe and the age of our solar
system/planet/species as compared to other stars and their unseen
planetary systems, what are the chances that homo sapiens and another
sentient race have existed within a million years of each other? Look at
the dinosaurs--although not intelligent, they thrived on this planet for
hundreds of millions of years yet mankind never encountered them as he
came to be far too late).
Whew. What a mouthful. Still with me? Ok...
I'll even accept that perhaps sometime in the course of human history
that the planet has been visited by another race (I have no problems
accepting FTL travel...*that's* just a matter of time, money, and
ingenuity). But to tell me that planet Earth is some kind of alien
Mecca, or some planetary anthropology project for the galaxy...I find
that hard to swallow.
I can accept an alien race from Zeta Reticuli (sp?). Mankind has been
emitting artificially-generated electromagnetic waves for about the last
100 years, meaning that someone with ears 'round 100 ly out can
theoretically detect us. No problem there.
But when I hear people like "John" using terms like 'Federation,' 'good
aliens,' 'bad aliens,' 'photon belt' and the like, it sounds like the
pulp fiction out of the 1950s. Come on, if you're going to lie to me
then make it believeable. If you're telling me the truth then you should
be able to be more specific.
It is not my intention to be on this group to flame people. I sincerely
believe that the majority of folks here have serious questions and
serious answers to the questions of others. I, too, am curious and want
to seek out what is true. If you are one of these people and have been
offended by my jabs at "John," then I apologize.
But I will not stop. Nor will I make such comments regarding the posts
of anyone else. "John" has become my favorite target because, after
lurking around this group for a couple of months now I have noticed that
he has, time and again, done more harm to the cause of serious UFO study
than anyone else I have seen, with his ludicrous messages.
I attempt to leave his posts intact when I include them in my responses;
when examined paragraph-by-paragraph, they ring false.
'Nuff said.
Cal J.
Callan Jacobson
John_-_...@peyote.buttons.edu wrote:
: Subject: The Mantell Incident. Part 4.
: I had better wind this discussion up now, so I shorten this by using
: my own words..............................................................
I do so hope that he talks about the "good aliens" again...
: After they examined Captain Mantell's plane a scientist by the name of
: Dr. J. Allen Hynek from Northwestern University was brought in and he told
: all they people that Captain Mantell mistakenly thought he was pursuing an
: unidentified flying object. In reality, he was either chasing the reflection
: of the planet Venus on the canopy of his aircraft or he was chasing the
: planet Veus which was visible low on the horizon on the afternoon of this
: incident. Mantell could not possibly have been chasing a UFO, nor was
: there any UFO involved in this incident. The Air Force people were then
: told to forget all of the follishness about the UFO and ordered not to
: discuss the case with civilians or with the press.
Of course. Again, the evil, evil government shines through.
: Several years later, Dr. Hynek admitted, publically, that the Air Force
: had pressured him into writing that particular report and conclusion.
: Now to the explanation from the perspective of the space people who were
: flying the UFO.
The thing is, "John," if you had stopped right there I *might* have believed
your story. Oh, well...let's see what THEY had to say...
: I read some information that was not from Richard Miller
: from another source that was dealing what the space people said about the
: incident. I can't remember what the source was, who wrote it and I don't
: know who the space people were that said it but here is about the way it
: went.......
Ok, ok, ok...let me get this straight. You don't know:
a) the name of the source
b) The author of the source
c) the type of aliens you're going to quote
...but we're supposed to believe you. Okay. Just wanted to get that all
sorted out. Carry on.
: We saw Captain Mantell coming towards us and knew he didn't
: wish us any harm, so we let him come closer. Due to the fact that his
: plane had sharp edges on it's wings and other areas, when his plane came
: in comtact with our protective force field, it penetrated the force field
: rather than bouncing off like our round surfaced craft with force fields
: normally do.
Kinda makes you wonder what the hell a force field was for, if anything
"sharp" can penetrate it....
: As his plane came into our force field it was acted on and
: cause the lose of the person's life and the stopping of the plane. We
: regret this and will not make the same mistake again.
As their NEW force fields are made out of kevlar (tm).
: So there you have part of the rest of the story.
Thanks, Paul Harvey.
: The End. Part 4.
: Source Of Information: Star Wards, by Richard Miller.
I take it that this wasn't the source for the alien quote, right?
<sigh>
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
by the name of Sheldon Nidle. He is the person who says the good type
space people will have a mass landing of Earth between the spring of 1995
and the fall of 1996. He is a very intelligent person and I hope that he
is right.
John Winston.
Ken L. Holder
>Subject: Image Of The Great Kibo.
>
[SNIP]
>for it must have been in an earlier issue. On with the futile search.
>
>John Winston.
>
The Sacred Photograph appears on Pages 26 and 27 (mostly on p. 27) of the
September/October 1993 issue of Wired (picture of William Gibson on cover).
Be warned: intimate personal details are revealed (sorta).
I'll sell you my copy for $500.00.
--
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| Ken L. Holder | The world is not governed by facts or logic. |
|-----------------------| It is governed by BS (belief systems). |
| kenh...@delphi.com | -- Robert Anton Wilson, COSMIC TRIGGER 2 |
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John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Someone has asked of the Net, what is the Photon Belt? I wil now attempt
to answer that question from some information I just received from Sheldon
Nidle, a person who believes the good type space people will land soon. I
am aware of many people who try to say when there wo;; be landings and many
if not all of them were wrong. I know many will accuse me of crying wolf
too many times and people will not believe me in anyway but I feel that it
is important that we be informed of the different information that is coming
our way at the present time. I can't say that I believe or disbelieve the
information put out by Sheldon but I sure hope he knows what he is talking
about. So here we go with his informaiton about the Photon Belt...........
...........................................................................
THE PHOTON BELT
An Analysis
In the 1990's, our solar system is being threatened by the arrival of an
unusual energy belt. It is the purpose of this article to describe this
danger and how it will affect us.
Historical Background
This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation. A photon particle is
the result of a collision between an anti-electron or positron and an
electron. These split second collisions cause the charges of the particles
to cancel and the resultant mass is converted into energy in the form of
photons. In the first quarter of this century, the English physicist
Paul Dirac had postulated that for every particle an anti-particle will exist.
In 1932, Carl David Anderson discovered the first anti-particle-the positron.
By the 1950's the anti-proton and the anti-neutron had been discovered. The
importance of these discoveries was not just the fact that Dirac's theory
had been proven. More importantly, a new and unprecedented from of energy
had been discovered. This energy of mass annihilation is known as photon
energy and it promises to be a major source for our energy requirements in
the very near future.
The photon belt's discovery was due to a series of studies of the
Pleiades that began in the days of the famous British Astronomer, Sir Edmund
Halley (1656-1742). Halley discovered that at least three of the stars in
this star group were not in the same positions recorded by the Greeks. The
difference was so great that it was impossible that either the Greeks or
Halley were wrong. Halley concluded tht the Pleiades moved witin a
prescribed sytem of motion.
This concept was proven by Fredrick Wilhelm Bessel with his discovery
that the stars in the Pleiades had a proper motion of 5.5 seconds of arc per
century.(JW We are then referred to a chart that I can't show you). Jose
Comas Sola further postulated that the Pleiades and a number of other stars
formed a distinct system and that all apparently had their own planetary
systems. Paul Otto Hesse also studied this system and descovered at
absolute right angles to the movement of the stars, a photon belt or manasic
ring with a thickness of approximately 2000 light years. Up to this time,
scientists have been unable to recreate this phenomena in the laboratory.
Part 1.
John Winston.
Dean Adams
In article <106...@cup.portal.com> John_-_...@cup.portal.com writes:
> This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
>vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation.
Oh, really? And which "satelite" might that have been?
> A photon particle is the result of a collision between an anti-electron
> or positron and an electron. These split second collisions cause the
> charges of the particles to cancel and the resultant mass is converted
> into energy in the form of >photons.
A photon is a particle of LIGHT!! Anyone afraid of "photons" should
just lock themselves in a dark closet, or perhaps wear a really dark
pair of sunglasses (and a good sunscreen!) and they'll be just FINE!
> This energy of mass annihilation is known as photon energy and it
> promises to be a major source for our energy requirements in
>the very near future.
I guess you must be talking about solar power, since that
is the method employed to utilize "photon energy"...
Lewis McCarthy
| Paul Otto Hesse also studied this system and descovered at
| absolute right angles to the movement of the stars, a photon belt or manasic
| ring with a thickness of approximately 2000 light years. Up to this time,
| scientists have been unable to recreate this phenomena in the laboratory.
Only because they haven't yet been able to build a room which would last
for 16 centuries without having its walls turn yellow. If the
supercontracting supercompiler had been built down in New Mexico after all,
respected government scientists would have been able to meld tachyons and
anti-anti-electrons together at a 60 degree angle as desired. But the Grays'
lobby in Congress is far too plush and well-appointed for the "people's
representatives" to stand up for it.
-Lewis
Fawn Fitter (fsqu...@world.std.com) wrote in alt.romance that she
"doesn't care one way or another about facial hair but likes men who can spell"
Rich Payne
>
> Someone has asked of the Net, what is the Photon Belt?
I thought Robert Dinse answered that, it's a belt sold by the Pleiadians
that makes one a being of light. I was rolling on the ground laughing when
I read that, and I have no imagination.
> I wil now attempt
>to answer that question from some information I just received from Sheldon
>Nidle, a person who believes the good type space people will land soon. I
>am aware of many people who try to say when there wo;; be landings and many
>if not all of them were wrong.
Time will tell John, time will tell.
> I know many will accuse me of crying wolf
>too many times and people will not believe me in anyway but I feel that it
>is important that we be informed of the different information that is coming
>our way at the present time.
Most of it is bullshit John, and I am not referring to your posts so much
as the barrage of information we are constantly bombarded with. We need
some way to categorize and process the information or we will burn out.
I seem to burn out every two years now, and am having more trouble recovering
every time. But you know what they say, no RISC, no gain.
> I can't say that I believe or disbelieve the
>information put out by Sheldon but I sure hope he knows what he is talking
>about. So here we go with his informaiton about the Photon Belt...........
>...........................................................................
>
> THE PHOTON BELT
> An Analysis
>
> In the 1990's, our solar system is being threatened by the arrival of an
>unusual energy belt. It is the purpose of this article to describe this
>danger and how it will affect us.
>
>Historical Background
>
> This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
>vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation. A photon particle is
>the result of a collision between an anti-electron or positron and an
>electron.
Which can also result in the production of secondary particles. Photons are
given off by electrons jumping to a lower energy level as well, which is the
cause of 99.99999999999999999999999% of the photons produced in the universe,
there being very little anti-matter. Then there is Cherenkov radiation,
photons produced by particles moving through a medium at a speed faster
than the speed of light in that medium, which probably produces the rest of
the photons.
If the lightest particle and it's anti-particle collide, the energy
(.511MEV + .511 MEV) is enough to produce gamma radiation. Now the
various gamma-ray detectors in orbit (and the gamma-ray telescope, a
wonderful bit of engineering) have detected no constant gamma sources,
although they have detected gamma-ray bursters, which do not repeat in
the same location. The source of these has not yet been determined, not
even theoretically.
> These split second collisions cause the charges of the particles
>to cancel and the resultant mass is converted into energy in the form of
>photons.
Or photons and particles.
> In the first quarter of this century, the English physicist
>Paul Dirac had postulated that for every particle an anti-particle will exist.
>In 1932, Carl David Anderson discovered the first anti-particle-the positron.
It is a great cosmological puzzle why there are not equal amounts of matter
and anti-matter, but you should be thankful that there is no anti-matter in
local space, we would not be here is there was a significant amount of
anti-matter.
>By the 1950's the anti-proton and the anti-neutron had been discovered. The
>importance of these discoveries was not just the fact that Dirac's theory
>had been proven.
The above is badly stated. It is not true that for every particle there is
a corresponding anti-particle, at least not locally. What Dirac meant was
that anti-particles exist, not how many of them there were.
> More importantly, a new and unprecedented from of energy
>had been discovered. This energy of mass annihilation is known as photon
>energy and it promises to be a major source for our energy requirements in
>the very near future.
Hey, it powers the Enterprise, right?
> The photon belt's discovery was due to a series of studies of the
>Pleiades that began in the days of the famous British Astronomer, Sir Edmund
>Halley (1656-1742). Halley discovered that at least three of the stars in
>this star group were not in the same positions recorded by the Greeks. The
>difference was so great that it was impossible that either the Greeks or
>Halley were wrong. Halley concluded tht the Pleiades moved witin a
>prescribed sytem of motion.
Eh?
> This concept was proven by Fredrick Wilhelm Bessel with his discovery
>that the stars in the Pleiades had a proper motion of 5.5 seconds of arc per
>century.(JW We are then referred to a chart that I can't show you). Jose
>Comas Sola further postulated that the Pleiades and a number of other stars
>formed a distinct system and that all apparently had their own planetary
>systems. Paul Otto Hesse also studied this system and descovered at
>absolute right angles to the movement of the stars, a photon belt or manasic
>ring with a thickness of approximately 2000 light years. Up to this time,
>scientists have been unable to recreate this phenomena in the laboratory.
I am having trouble extracting meaning from this. I cannot find any references
to Hesse in the references at hand, anybody heard of him?
>Part 1.
>
>John Winston.
Rich
<this is a fake sig, I am embarrased to be sig impaired>
--
Edward Flaherty
Oh give me a break, John. The Pleiades (I always thought the name
was a good one for a rock group) are about 600? light years away (600 may
not be precise, but it's what I recall from my college astronomy classes).
So even if this photon belt (or us, or both) were travelling at the speed
of light toward each other, it would be quite a long, long time before
such a belt would intersect us. But then there is the problem that there
IS NO photon belt.
Really, John, what kind of drugs do you do, and where can I get
some?
Rich Payne
>
> Oh give me a break, John. The Pleiades (I always thought the name
>was a good one for a rock group) are about 600? light years away (600 may
>not be precise, but it's what I recall from my college astronomy classes).
Close, 415 light years, more or less.
>So even if this photon belt (or us, or both) were travelling at the speed
>of light toward each other, it would be quite a long, long time before
>such a belt would intersect us. But then there is the problem that there
>IS NO photon belt.
You endanger yourself when you attempt to impose reality in the way of other
peoples fantasies Edward.
> Really, John, what kind of drugs do you do, and where can I get
>some?
Rich
--
Callan Jacobson
Are you all as eager as I to read "John"'s daily rantings?
Let's not wait any longer, and dive right in!
John_-_...@cup.portal.com wrote:
: Subject: Photon Belt.
: Someone has asked of the Net, what is the Photon Belt? I wil now attempt
: to answer that question from some information I just received from Sheldon
: Nidle, a person who believes the good type space people will land soon.
I'm sure he also belives the JFK "No Gunman" Theory: It was a suicide.
: I am aware of many people who try to say when there wo;; be landings
: and many if not all of them were wrong. I know many will accuse me of
: crying wolf too many times and people will not believe me in anyway
They don't think you're crying wolf, "John," they KNOW you're talking bull.
: but I feel that it is important that we be informed of the different
: information that is coming our way at the present time. I can't say that
: I believe or disbelieve the information put out by Sheldon
THIS JUST IN: HELL FREEZES OVER! And in a related story, "John Winston"
expressed a bit of healthy skepticism on the Net today....
: but I sure hope he knows what he is talking
: about. So here we go with his informaiton about the Photon Belt...........
: THE PHOTON BELT
: An Analysis
OR
"Mankind's Deadly Enemy: Light!"
: In the 1990's, our solar system is being threatened by the arrival of an
: unusual energy belt. It is the purpose of this article to describe this
: danger and how it will affect us.
TWO WORDS: IT WON'T.
: Historical Background
: This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
: vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation.
Zowie! A satellite that can detect LIGHT! In the 60s even!
: A photon particle is
: the result of a collision between an anti-electron or positron and an
: electron. These split second collisions cause the charges of the particles
: to cancel and the resultant mass is converted into energy in the form of
: photons. In the first quarter of this century, the English physicist
: Paul Dirac had postulated that for every particle an anti-particle will exist.
Dirac once demonstrated this to his students by having his evil twin
brother, Carid Luap, collide with him at high speeds, resulting in an
incredible release of energy and the destruction of half the campus.
: In 1932, Carl David Anderson discovered the first anti-particle-the positron.
Come to find out, he had had it all the time, lodged in his belly-button,
hidden in all that lint!
(BTW: Both Dirac and Anderson are real people...surprisingly, their
biographies have been accurate)
: By the 1950's the anti-proton and the anti-neutron had been discovered. The
: importance of these discoveries was not just the fact that Dirac's theory
: had been proven. More importantly, a new and unprecedented from of energy
: had been discovered. This energy of mass annihilation is known as photon
: energy and it promises to be a major source for our energy requirements in
: the very near future.
And you'll be seeing an increase in your electric bill because of it.
: The photon belt's discovery was due to a series of studies of the
: Pleiades that began in the days of the famous British Astronomer, Sir Edmund
: Halley (1656-1742). Halley discovered that at least three of the stars in
: this star group were not in the same positions recorded by the Greeks.
Exactly WHY Halley was studying Greek positions is beyond me. His commentary
on the Kama Sutra is very interesting, though.
: The difference was so great that it was impossible that either the Greeks or
: Halley were wrong. Halley concluded tht the Pleiades moved witin a
: prescribed sytem of motion.
: This concept was proven by Fredrick Wilhelm Bessel with his discovery
: that the stars in the Pleiades had a proper motion of 5.5 seconds of arc per
: century.(JW We are then referred to a chart that I can't show you).
I now refer to a finger I can't show YOU.
(Oh, my...that was childish. But I couldn't resist!)
: Jose Comas Sola further postulated that the Pleiades and a number of
: other stars formed a distinct system and that all apparently had their
: own planetary systems.
Funny then how I can't find him in two encyclopedias, my Astronomy
textbook, Carl Sagan's "The Cosmic Connection", or Stephen Hawking's "A
Brief History of Time" (tho' I didn't expect to find it there anyway)
: Paul Otto Hesse also studied this system and descovered at
: absolute right angles to the movement of the stars, a photon belt or
: manasic ring with a thickness of approximately 2000 light years.
He must have worked with Jose Comas Sola, because I can't find him either.
: Up to this time, scientists have been unable to recreate this phenomena in the
: laboratory.
Gee, I wonder why.
: Part 1.
: John Winston.
Thanks "John," you've shared another pearl of wisdom with us little people.
James Kibo Parry
Ken L. Holder <kenh...@delphi.com> wrote:
> John_-_Winston writes (or is it John-_-Winston? I forget):
>
> >Subject: Image Of The Great Kibo.
> >
> The Sacred Photograph appears on Pages 26 and 27 (mostly on p. 27) of the
> September/October 1993 issue of Wired (picture of William Gibson on cover).
> Be warned: intimate personal details are revealed (sorta).
Intimate? Ha! I wouldn't let the photographer, talented as he was,
cajole me into posing nude. (I did agree to take off my shirt for a
couple of the shots, mainly because I was sure Wired would be too
revolted to use those.) The photo that was used is one of the best of
the bunch, although I would have preferred one of the ones in the gas
mask. The photographer, incidentally, is Webb Chappell in the Boston
area and is highly recommended.
Best thing about the photo that Wired selected is that I look like I'm
bald and have sprayed the top of my head with black GLH-7 paint, as all
the detail in the hair (blackish) vanished into the background during
the double exposure. Webb worked very hard to get the double exposure
just right, but my hair didn't seem to want to play along.
-- K.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Now we go into the second part of Sheldon Nidle's information about the
Photon Belt...............................................................
..........................................................................
If the results of the observations of Jose Comas Sola and Paul Otto Hesse
about the Pleiades are correct, our star (the Sun) is in a 24000 year cycle
with the Pleiadean Photon Belt. At present we are poised to enter the belt
and pass through the 2000 light year manasic ring before the end of this
century. The question to be asked is what is the significance of this event
to our planetary civilization?
What is happening now?
Before we answer that question let us describe some of the fore running
events and allied phenomena that occur before we enter the belt. At the
edge of the belt is a null zone. As we have crept closer, the planet has
become subjected to an increase in seismic activity and volcanism. Further,
we have seen an alteration of traditional weather patterns that permits the
formation of extremely severe typhoons, hurricanes and tornadoes. There is
also the added stress placed on the upper atmosphere which could have aided
the formation of the ozone holes. The Sun has responded by an increase in
solar flare activity and in a general stellar cooling. It must be
remembered that the null zone is the place where the photon energy in the
belt is created. It is a place where all particles of matter and anti-matter
are annihilated. Hence, there is a vast pressure on our solar system. This
pressure builds up graadually and does not climb in an exponential manner
until we pass into the zone. We are now in the position of near entry into
the belt (entry will occur sometime before the end of this decade). To
aid us in this shift, the Federation has commissioned two projects. First
the Federation altered the basic polarity of the Sun. This feat will allow
the Sun as it enters the belt to maintain the integrity of the Sun's
planetary system. Second, the Federation has put into posituon ships that
are designed to lessen the effects of the belt on our atmosphere and to help
repair any passive Ozone breaches that may occur in the first few hours of
entering this belt.
Description of Photon Belt
The Photon belt consists of three major elements. (JW He refers us to
Figure 2 of which we don't have in this posting). First, there is the
aforementioned null zone. This zone is where the particles of matter and
antimatter collide to form the belt's immense photon streams. This area is
also where the electromagnetic fields of this star system will be nullified.
Gravitational fields and related photon energy fields will be altered. This
alteration will cause all atoms and molecules in this star system to be
unusually excited. This process will alter our state of consciousness and
force us to look at our universe in new and unique ways. The next segment
is a flux field between the photon stream and the inner edge of the null zone.
Here, we will encounter a space/time distortion that has the possibility to
hurl our system into another and higher dimension. After we have entered the
photon stream proper, we will be able to utilize photon beam energy and
inter dimensional space travel of all types imaginable will become possible.
It could well be the "Golden Age" that the Bible and other religious tracts
have spoken about. Biblical and various tribal myths throughout this planet
talk of a period in which men were different than they are now and we had
a bridge to the stars. Such a time of vast change is upon us. This period
of change will last for about 2000 years.
Part 2.
Source Of Informaiton: Beyond Wisdom, which is a newsletter written by
Shelton Nidle, October/November 1992. P.O. Box 811, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019,
Phone # (415-2827).
John Winston.
John Winston.
Len Bucuvalas x54781
Callan Jacobson <cal...@comtch.iea.com> wrote:
>That's right, ladies and gents, it's once again time for...
>
> "Fantasy Hour with 'John _-\|/-_ Winston'"
>
>Let's take another look at "John"'s ravings, shall we?
>BTW: Why do I do this? Skim past my commentary and I'll tell you why...
>
>John_-_...@flake.o.rama.com wrote:
>: Subject: Mass Landings Of UFOs.
>: As I have mentioned in the past, a person from Half Moon Bay, Calif. has
>: been saying that we will have a mass landing of the good type space people
>: some time between the spring of 1995 and the fall of 1996. He is trying to
>: get people to be hoping that this will happen. I just got some infromation
>: back from him and I'll now share it with you...............................
>
>Oh, joy.
>
>: FIRST CONTACT
>: EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT AND HUMAN EVOLUTION
>
>Or, "What I Did With Humankind Over Summer Vacation"
>
>
>: Sheldon E. Nidle was born in New York city and moved to Buffalo, New York at
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Does this sound like an anagram to anybody else?
>
>: the age of three. His first extraterrestrial (ET) and UFO experiences began
>: in 1955 with various modes of phenomena and contact manifestations, e.g.
>: Light form phenomena, extraterrestrial visitations, teaching sessions,
>: telepathic communications, and direct core knowledge inserts. He has had
>
>...electroshock therapy yet still claims to have had...
>
>: numerous craft sightings throughout the years. The educational content of
>: these contacts deal with: ancient and future extraterrestrial evolutionary
>: influences, celestial, and terrestrial history, spiritual dimensions,
>: concepts of time and space, and the transformation of the Earth.
>
>Wow! The Earth transforms! Wait until Hasbro gets a-hold of that idea! The
>kids will LOVE it!
Ridicule is not information. Comment invalid...negate. Provide information.
>
>: At about 14 years old, Sheldon demanded the ETs to stop communicating with
>: him because he felt that their knowledge ran counter to contemporay
>: scientific reasoning . they left but told him they would be back. In high
>: school, he was place in advanced science programs such as physics, chemistry,
>: and calculus. As a teenager, he was part of a team that invented the field
>: ion microscope.
>
><snort> right!
Ridicule is not information. Provide information.
>
>: As an undergraduate at the State University of New York at
>: Buffalo, he was vice president of the Amateur Astromers Club.
>: Due to Sheldon's education and research in the sciences, social sciences,
>: anthropology, and alternative technology Tesla et al., he is able to bring an
>: astute rational and scientific approach to this controversial subject.
>: M.A. in Southeast Asian Government, Ohio University (1970)
>: M.A. in American Politics and International Public Administration,
>: University of Southern California where he was also a Ph.D. candidate (1974-
>: 1976).
>
>Sounds like a draft-dodger to me!
Ridicule is not information. Provide information.
>
>: In the 1970's, he was vice president for scientific programming for Syntar
>: Productions where he created a documentary on the life and accomplishments
>: of Nikola Tesla, the genius who invented the technology of the twentieth
>: century. All throughout the 1970's up to the mid-1980`s he was involved
>: in scientific research on alternative sources of electrical energy. In the
>: mid-1980's, his ET contacts reappeared and subsequently led him to the
>: information that is provided in the First Contact..newletters and his
>: lectures.
>
>Yet, this scientific genius has not produced any technical wonders since
>then, and he remains unknown. Amazing!
Ridicule is not information. Provide information.
>
>: [Lectures:]
>: Contact versus Abductions; Methods of Contact and Communication; Separating
>: informtion from fantasy; Et Missions and Objectives; Where are they from;
>: The Federation: Good Guys and Bad Guys; Extraterrestrial Contact - The
>: Gensis Story
>
>Sounds like he gave a summary of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
I'm getting bored...Ridicule is not information..provide information.
>
>: * Seminars
>: Planetary Seeding and Celestial Evolution; the Dynamics of Bio-Forming;
>: Solar History and ET Influences; Celestial Navigation and Star Travel;
>: ET Origins and Cosmology; ET Species and Racial Types; Ets and the
>: Millenium; Advocate Groups
>
>Yeah, now that you mention it, I think I saw him on an infomercial right
>after Letterman.
ditto....re: ridicule....now YOU are getting BORING!
>
>: * Cosultations
>: Sheldon is availabel for private consultatins dealing with: Star origins,
>: clearing unconscious memory of contact and abductions, healing confusion
>: between earth spirituality concepts and ET\UFO phenomena, preparing
>: individuals for the upcoming Earth Frequency Shift.
>
>Earth Frequency Shift?!? Does that mean I have to buy a new radio?
>Or will the number of Earths increase? Will smoking be permitted on these
>new Earths?
Are you familiar with the frequency of the geomagnetic field that surrounds
the planet? Guess not BECAUSE: Ridicule is not information..provide information.
>
>: Sheldon E. Nidle Representative and lecturer for Galactic Federation can be
>: reached at P.O. Box 811, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, Phone # (415) 726-2827
>
[rest of fertilizer from cal j deleted for space and sanity]
>Cal J.
>
Cal J...YOU ARE BORING. Dont give up your day job dude! AT least John is
entetaining...AND further IF you honestly believe that whatever goes down
on this newsgroup affects UFO research to the slightest degree...you are
not only BORING....but NAIVE, UNINFORMED, AND MISDIRECTED.
In short....put a lid on it.
DISCLAIMER: My opinions...not my employer(s)
Len
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Here is something that a friend of mine sent me..........................
...........................................................................
John, I have received a diskette from 'R-----' with an email to you. I'll
try to send it later today. Also, we discussed the Roswell Incident again
recently and you should pick up a copy of Omni Magazine. In fact, for the
next 6 months, Omni will be running special articles on the Government coverup
of this incident and some others. We all know that it wasn't a weather
baloon they found but we have not substantiated proof of whatever it was,
either. I really don't think the answer will be found at Groom Lake, either.
Although, the recent acquisition of 3900 more acres around there seems to
indicate the government does_not_want_us_to_know what they are up to. We
still have grounds to find out - In the Constitution, We are not allowed to
have a standing Army unless War Time. The War was over. Period. The
agency that should have handled the Roswell Incident was the Federal Bureau
of Investigation - not the un-authorized military force. Also, it will do
no good as we have seen by CAUS (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy) and Stanton
Freidman to file federal suits against our government, they will still tell
l--- and try their d------- to remain secret with Roswell. The Omni did
however, report one minor inaccuracy in its report. All investigations never
did mention Tim Proctor (the child with Brazel) in any accountable way -
Omni does in its article. There is a relatively new book out on the market
about the Roswell Incident and it contains what the government does not want
you to hear - names, addresses, etc. Over 250 of them! Can that many people
at one crash be wrong? I doubt it seriously. What we have is an Extra
terrestrial craft - the others sighted were looking for one of their own
(the one that crashed). The rash of sightings however, were mostly hoaxes/
l--- due to the increased media attention of Roswell. Let's just say that
it wasn't a V-2 Rocket Mac found at Corona, NM, nor a weather balloon - his
story does not follow - He admits to finding many weather balloons - yet
this one he didn't know? Let's get serious. Anyway, read OMNI and I'll
send you the mail I got from 'R----' this weekend.
---
-P------
(JW So that's what the fellow said).
John Winston.
Alan Greig
>
> In article <106...@cup.portal.com> John_-_...@cup.portal.com writes:
>> This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
>>vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation.
>
> Oh, really? And which "satelite" might that have been?
Attact the spelling because your technical knowledge isn't up to
attacking the post any other way.
>
> A photon is a particle of LIGHT!! Anyone afraid of "photons" should
> just lock themselves in a dark closet, or perhaps wear a really dark
> pair of sunglasses (and a good sunscreen!) and they'll be just FINE!
So you would be perfectly happy inside a microwave oven or perhaps
standing around a nuclear bomb I take it. After all microwave energy
and gamma radiation -- well -- it's just photons isn't it.
>
> > This energy of mass annihilation is known as photon energy and it
> > promises to be a major source for our energy requirements in
> >the very near future.
>
> I guess you must be talking about solar power, since that
> is the method employed to utilize "photon energy"...
No I thought it was quite clear he was talking about matter/anti-matter
collisions producing energy.
>
--
Alan Greig Janet: A.G...@uk.ac.dct
Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.G...@dct.ac.uk
Tel: (0382) 308810 Int +44 382 308810
-- Pavlov's dog: the runt of the litter? --
Joe Fagan
> about the Pleiades are correct, our star (the Sun) is in a 24000 year cycle
> with the Pleiadean Photon Belt. At present we are poised to enter the belt
> and pass through the 2000 light year manasic ring before the end of this
> century. The question to be asked is what is the significance of this event
> to our planetary civilization?
Sorry we asked ! ... biggest bunch of non-sense i've ever seen, *even
for JW*
the Federation has commissioned two projects. First
> the Federation altered the basic polarity of the Sun. This feat will allow
> the Sun as it enters the belt to maintain the integrity of the Sun's
> planetary system. Second, the Federation has put into posituon ships that
> are designed to lessen the effects of the belt on our atmosphere and to help
> repair any passive Ozone breaches that may occur in the first few hours of
> entering this belt.
Federation .... stop watching star-trek, and get a life....
john baez
>In article <2m0lue$5...@mailer.fsu.edu> efla...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Edward Flaherty) writes:
>> Oh give me a break, John. The Pleiades (I always thought the name
>>was a good one for a rock group) are about 600? light years away (600 may
>>not be precise, but it's what I recall from my college astronomy classes).
>Close, 415 light years, more or less.
My god!!! They're closing in fast!!! When did you take you astronomy
class, Flaherty, so we can estimate when they'll get here??? I am
buying sunglasses just in case that photon belt is for real, anyway.
David Sternlight
pornographic and obscene representation is a clear attempt to discredit the
many who know the wonder and majesty of Kibo through the fresco of him by
Michelangelo in the cloakroom of the Sistine Chapel.
Has Wired no shame? This affront to civil libertarians, PGP fans, and
Clipper opponents everywhere cannot be tolerated.
The only recourse is to get even with Wired by subscribing to that filthy
rag. That'll teach 'em.
As for me, I've decided an even stronger protest is necessary, so I've
decided to cancel my subscription to Model Railroading.
David
--
David Sternlight The views expressed in this message do not necessarily
represent those of the author, who reserves the right
to modify, amend, withdraw, or attack them at any time.
gw...@csupomona.edu
Hey, John.... I'm sorry, I mean, Mr. Winston... Why do you need to _hope_ that
your friend Sheldon Nidle is right?
Couldn't you simply ask your friend's friend, whom you claim to claim to be
from the future?
I mean, how hard can it be? Since your friend's friend is from the future,
he/she/it can check his/her/its history books and find out if there really
would be a mass landing between the spring of 1995 and the fall of 1996. All
your friend's friend has to do is answer a simple "yes" or "no".
Or do you care to admit that what you posted about a person from the future
were all just lies?
Glenn Wang
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++I just read some postings of people arguing over my existence... Perhaps++
++I'm imagining all this?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ian Dixon
>John Winston.
Well John, if you're in contact with some dude from the future - how come he
didn't tell you in advance that episode would be a rerun....but WAIT, he did
tell you about next week's episode - how could you possibly know that
in advance? Some skeptic heretic unbelievers would come up with some
"logical" explanation, like you've got a TV Guide - but WE know better,
don't we?
Rajit Coksahga (professional Howard Olson watcher)
--
############################################################################
# #
# Hastings 1066 : Not enough Saxon Violence. #
# Ian Dixon - ian...@scorch.hna.com.au #
# TIP 190 Newcastle, Australia #
############################################################################
Lewis McCarthy
>THIS JUST IN: HELL FREEZES OVER!
What is a `HELL' and where can I get one ?
>TWO WORDS: IT WON'T.
Five words: "won't" is a contraction.
>Zowie! A satellite that can detect LIGHT!
David must be awfully proud !
> In the 60s even!
The mother must have been awfully surprised !
>brother, Carid Luap, collide with him at high speeds, resulting in an
~~~~~~~~~~
hey ! isn't this an anagram ?
>And you'll be seeing an increase in your electric bill because of it.
How did you know my GF keeps leaving her vibrator on overnight ?
>I now refer to a finger I can't show YOU.
>(Oh, my...that was childish. But I couldn't resist!)
Hmm, a pointer to a pointer. Get your sense of humor out of
comp.lang.c !!!
-Lewis
Fawn Fitter (fsqu...@world.std.com) wrote in alt.romance that she
"doesn't care one way or another about facial hair but likes men who can spell"
Lewis McCarthy
>John, I have received a diskette from 'R-----'
eader's_-_Digest
>does_not_want_us_to_know
You misspelled "does_-_not_-_want_-_us_-_to_-_know"
>Freidman to file federal suits against our government, they will still tell
>l--- and try their d------- to remain secret with Roswell. The Omni did
ox efendants
>l--- due to the increased media attention of Roswell. Let's just say that
abia
-Lewis
P.S. john d. (jo...@bga.com) wrote:
"Adding a 'PS' while in your editor? That's real corny."
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
It seems like a lot of people know quite a bit about Gaia. Here
is some information that was sent to me...........................
..................................................................
February 24, 1994
289 Triangle St.
Amherst, MA 01002
(413) 253-9448
neut...@educ.umass.edu
To Whom It May Concern:
I am looking for a publisher for my doctoral dissertation in
Future Studies from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst,
GAIA, THE PLANETARY RELIGION: THE SACRED MARRIAGE OF ART AND
SCIENCE. This is not your typical dissertation in that it was
truly a work of love to create it, while many dissertations are
written in order to fulfill degree requirements. In fact, the
dissertation was inspired by the idea that the planet Earth is on
the verge of reproduction by the creation of closed-ecosystem
environments such as Biosphere 2 and Outspace Arcologies.
The dissertation was written not only for the general
population, but for scholars in numerous disciplines. The Gaia
Religion is a theory of architecture which is why the Neutopian
plan outlined in the dissertation could solve so many of our
pressing planetary problems. I feel the Gaia Religion is the
crowning theory needed to make the various progressive social
movements such as ecology, feminism, socialism, and certain
spiritual movements to come together to form a holistic plan of
action. Finally, the dissertation explores Cyberspace and the way
the Gaia Religion of erotic love could make a new world far, far
greater than the matriarchal/patriarchal Capitalist nightmare that
we are living into today.
It is my strongest belief that the ideas expressed in the
dissertation are critical for the human race. Thus, it is critical
that people be exposed it it. So, please consider this publishing
project a book for the future of humanity. Architectural theory
deals with every aspect of our lives and our relationship with
nature. It is a very serious subject and needs to be addressed if
we are to end war, starvation, pestilence, and all the other
ancient ills of civilization.
The public is starving for visionary thinkers. So please help
me deliver this beautiful vision to the masses, both to the rich
and to the poor. Enclosed are the title pages. Upon request I
would be glad to send you a PC disc copy or if you are connected to
the Internet you can access a public copy at the ftp site
bertha.pyramid.com /pub/leri/Neutopia.
Sincerely yours,
Doctress Neutopia
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ABSTRACT
GAIA, THE PLANETARY RELIGION:
THE SACRED MARRIAGE OF ART AND SCIENCE
FEBRUARY 1994
DOCTRESS NEUTOPIA, B.A., UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST
M.A., UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST
Ed.D., UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST
Directed by: Professor Robert Wellman
As the human race approaches the 21st Century, the world's
spiritual, political, social, economic, educational, and
scientific philosophies appear out of balance with the emerging
global consciousness brought forth by today's advancing
technologies. Former President Bush's New World Order is really
the same old nation state order of international anarchy. All
the ancient problems seem to have reached a critical point. Now,
a critical idealism in education, which is a call for spiritual
action, is necessary in order to have the power to bond
like-minds to cure our ancient social diseases. The scientific
and social movement which scientist James Lovelock named the Gaia
theory, named after the Greek Goddess of the Earth, is on the
verge of creating world-wide evolutionary change. My
dissertation attempts to help create a Gaian philosophy of
planetary education based on love between the sexes by analyzing
the function of epic poetry.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Page
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . v
ABSTRACT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .vi
CHAPTER
1. THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
Background of the Study . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Aim of the Study . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .16
Guiding Question. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .18
2. A NEUTOPIAN ALTERNATIVE:
TRANSFORMING THE GLOBAL SHOPPING MALL. . . . . . . . 23
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .23
The Need for a Long-term Vision . . . . . . . . . . .24
The Good City ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .26
Slavery to the House. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .27
A New Communal Architecture.. . . . . . . . . . . . .30
Planet Metropolis.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .31
Lust for Isolation. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .33
Alienation of the Built Environment.. . . . . . . . .35
An Ecological Revolution. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .36
The Neutopia Vision.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .39
A Holistic World View.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .41
Where are the Social Healers?.. . . . . . . . . . . .42
Neutopia vs. the Global Corporations. . . . . . . . .44
Time for Millenarian Activity . . . . . . . . . . . .45
The Role of the Prophetess/Prophet. . . . . . . . . .49
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .53
3. NEUTOPIA: A FEMINIST THEORY OF ARCHITECTURE. . . . .54
Introduction. ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .54
The Division of Space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .57
Making History. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .59
Creating a Balanced System of Child-Rearing . . . . .65
The Wall Around Paradise. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .67
Ancient Totalitarianism: Chinese Architecture. . . .68
The Industrial Revolution and the Home. . . . . . . .72
The Connection-Separation Question. . . . . . . . . .75
Women and the Architectural Profession. . . . . . . .79
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .86
4. ARCHITECTURAL ARCHETYPES. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .87
Introduction. ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .87
Our Earliest Dwellings. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .88
The Primitive Hut.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .89
The Trap. . . ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .92
Structures of Power . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .93
The Goddess Civilizaton.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .95
The First Temples.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .96
Archetypal Theory.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 103
Megalithic Architecture.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 105
The Column. . ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 112
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 114
5. THE FAILURE OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE
AND THE VISIONS OF ECOCITIES. . . . . . . . . . . . 116
Introduction. ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 116
The Rule of Symmetry. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 116
Slaves to Market Forces . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 118
Visions of Ecocities. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 126
Intelligent Architecture. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 132
The Need for a Lovolution . . . . . . . . . . . . . 133
World of Arcologies.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 136
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140
6. HOW CHILDREN VISUALIZE HOME:
A STUDY OF AN ARCHETYPE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 142
Introduction. ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 142
The American Dream. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 142
Universal Patterns. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 147
The Image of Home.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 149
The Changing Laws of Art. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 153
Drawing Development.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 156
Logos and Mythos. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 161
Mythos and Love . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 163
The Origins of Art. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 165
Primitive and Modern Artists. . . . . . . . . . . . 166
The Collective Wisdom.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 174
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 177
7. THE FUNCTION OF EVOLUTIONARY LOVE . . . . . . . . . 178
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 178
The Ways of Aphrodite and Eros. . . . . . . . . . . 180
A World of Juno and Genius. . . . . . . . . . . . . 185
Metaphysics of Sex. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 187
Poetry as Leader. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191
One World Mind. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 194
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 198
8. VIRGIN MOTHER AND THE DIVINE CRONE. . . . . . . . . 199
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 199
Breaking the Incest Barrier . . . . . . . . . . . . 198
The Divine Role of the Crone. . . . . . . . . . . . 201
The Relationship Between the Hera and the Hero. . . 203
Returning to the Garden . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 209
Men's Part in Reproduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . 210
Mother Mary and Mary Magdalen . . . . . . . . . . . 213
The Secret Sexual Knowledge . . . . . . . . . . . . 217
Christian Clones. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 219
The Brain Cells of Gaia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 222
Power of Ideas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225
Gaia is the Supreme Being(s). . . . . . . . . . . . 229
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 232
9. WORLD-ARRANGING BEAUTY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 234
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 234
The Organic World . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 234
The Steady-State vs the Ever-Growing Model. . . . . 238
Will We Have a Metamorphosis? . . . . . . . . . . . 241
A Call for a Love Magician. . . . . . . . . . . . . 248
A Royal Marriage of True Minds. . . . . . . . . . . 250
The Position of the Philosopheress/Philosopher. . . 254
The End of History. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 256
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 260
10. THE INFORMATION LOVOLUTION. . . . . . . . . . . . . 262
Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 262
The Oral Defense. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 262
The Internet Connection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 265
The Global Network Academy. . . . . . . . . . . . . 270
The Architectural Plan of UU-GNA. . . . . . . . . . 275
The Suppressive Regime of UU-GNA. . . . . . . . . . 277
An Alternative: Neutopian Transversity . . . . . . 279
Student-Teacher Relationship. . . . . . . . . . . . 281
The Mission of Neutopian Transversity . . . . . . . 282
The Neutopian Administration. . . . . . . . . . . . 286
Architectural Plan of the Neutopian Transversity. . 287
The Neutopian Rituals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 290
Summary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 290
BIBLIOGRAPHY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
JW Sounds like this might help out the females on this planet.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Here is some information from the Sirian space people. These people I
think are from Sirius the Dog Star. I'm serious they are from Sirius.....
...........................................................................
MESSAGE FROM THE SIRIAN GOVERNING COUNCIL
Greetings!
We are glad to address you at this time and to convey our joy that your
progress toward first contact is going well. As you read this document, our
units assigned to the joint scientific evaluation team have just given this
council a series of positive reports.
Some general guidelines
Some of our attempts from the earliest periods of human civilization
to teach you the way to higher consciousness and a peace oriented tradition
have been waylaid by forces unfriendly to star system. The activities of
these unfriendly forces have created the disruptive conditions that now run
rampant on your planet. It is the sincere belief of the Governing Council
that these trends can be corrected by our joint actions.
Our assistance will be given in accordance with those direct interference
rules that we are pledged to uphold. The Council has instructed our personnel
to institute procedures that will give a complete description of our purposes.
The first aspect of this plan is to develop a way to get your attention. We
have ordered that units of the Pleiadean Sirian joint science command begin
by warning important persons on your planet of the true extent of your
environmental crisis.
To highlight these actions, we began to put crop circles world wide and
implimented sightings and near landings of our observation vehicles. We
also ordered our ships to conduct contacts with preselected persons that
convey our messages of peace and assistance in the coming planetary crisis.
The Photon Belt is coming
The arrival of the Pleiadean Photon Belt leads your star system into
circumstances that will facilatate first contact. The Photon Belt will alter
your civilization's concept of itself and also change the physical and spatial
perimenters of you star system.
Part 1.
Source Of Information: Beyond Wizdom (JW not wisdom), Vol. 1, No.2, Oct/ Nov.
1992. P.O. Box 811, Half Moon Bay, Calif. 94019. 415-726-2827.
John Winston.
Theo Mora - MSI Visitor w/Prof. Sweedler
>In article <dadamsCM...@netcom.com>, dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) writes:
>>
>> In article <106...@cup.portal.com> John_-_...@cup.portal.com writes:
>>> This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
>>>vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation.
>>
>> Oh, really? And which "satelite" might that have been?
>
>Attact the spelling because your technical knowledge isn't up to
>attacking the post any other way.
>
What else are you doing `ccdargian'? Or do you want to deny the
massacre of 2.5 million photons by armenian spell-checkers?
Teo
Dean Adams
>>>vicinity of the Pleiades by satelite instrumentation.
>>
>> Oh, really? And which "satelite" might that have been?
>
>Attact the spelling because your technical knowledge isn't up to
>attacking the post any other way.
Get a clue! (and get yourself to alt.flame, where you belong!)
You are clearly lacking quite a bit of knowledge, and as for any "Attact",
there was none. I was asking exactly WHAT "satelite/satellite instrument"
he was refering to in that statement. Once again, GET A CLUE!
>So you would be perfectly happy inside a microwave oven or perhaps
>standing around a nuclear bomb I take it. After all microwave energy
>and gamma radiation -- well -- it's just photons isn't it.
heh, heh... sorry, i'm not going to waste time explaining
the EMF spectrum to such a silly little flamer as yourself.
>No I thought it was quite clear he was talking about matter/anti-matter
>collisions producing energy.
Nope, the only thing "quite clear" about John is that he's nuts! :->
its interesting that you seem to think he makes so much sense though.
I guess that means I shouldn't take anything you say very seriously.
Dean Adams
>In article <106...@cup.portal.com>
>John_-_...@cup.portal.com writes:
>> The question to be asked is what is the significance of this event
>> to our planetary civilization?
>
>Sorry we asked ! ... biggest bunch of non-sense i've ever seen, *even
>for JW*
Don't worry, he seems to always strive to outdo himself on that front.
>Federation .... stop watching star-trek, and get a life....
"get a life", yes... stop watching s-t? NEVER!! :->
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Here is some information sent to me by a friend that is supposed to be
from a space person. Some of the ideas contradict some of my pet theories
but I will let you know what he said anyway. He may be right and I'm wrong.
............................................................................
Dear Mr. Winston:
I finally have some time to greet you from an absence of over a month. I
remember offering you some inkling of an account that would take place in
your area that would give you insight to what I already know about you and
the course of history that humankind will face. There's a great stall of
time where earth will remain stagnant of any new technological advancings
and as a result the study of your people will also slow to a very limited
project. I know you are aware of the Majestic 12 whom was originally the
group of 12 leaders to study and research the true possibility of the UFO
sightings across your United States. President Truman and his groups did
create the Project. The 12 were referred to many times as the Unholy 13.
This reference is contained in many documents which are now de-classified
material at your disposal. If you will notice upon reading them, several
vague comments are made by Truman and later President Eisenhower. We have
had to watch with idle hands as over 20 of our kind were whisked from the
crash sights at the hands of merciless, evil government employees who lie
and deceive many innocent human beings. Our intelligence has been widely
insulted and we know that the United States Government is active in using
technology to store our beings until human advances in understanding with
discovered biomedical and scientific methods are injested into you social
structure. We as living beings are in many ways, alike. It is my honest
hope that we too, will find answers to some of our most perplexing and at
least not explainable questions we have at present. We will continue our
present time line and aging process while we are visitors of your planet,
Earth. I know your great interest in beings from another world appear to
be valid and in context, however you are somewhat gullible at given times
causing you to lose credibility among your peers and superiors.
My memory is near photographic and I now recall an instance where someone
sent you email telling you about my previous post that I must have been a
little under-developed mentally in my ability to explain where I am from.
Let me suggest again that as mankind will eventually discover, There is a
planet that is in an ecliptical orbit - not eliptical around Barnard Star
that has not been discovered yet by humankind. This star is constantly a
shadow to Barnards' Star from your Planet Earth. It is an eclipse planet
and its orbit is eccentric (eliptical) as well. To your satisfaction and
others, what I am saying is that you will never see it from Planet Earth.
I am sure you have heard or read about a planet thought to exist with the
name "Clarion". This planet does not exist but the story is similar with
what I explained above. Your science has very fruitfully discounted what
some thought to exist in an opposite conjunction with Earth. Clarion was
never a planet in your star system.
I am only at liberty to say now, that your interest in unexplained sights
of aerial nature may land you the opportunity some day to meet travellers
from another star system. What I can not say, is your ability to prove a
sighting as your government is very well prepared to debunk any theory of
UFO's from an extra- terrestrial source as psychological in nature. They
(the governments) exist and will only exist if a government can inspire a
confusion to its' people with wars, taxes and laws.
I will offer something in evidence to you so that it will give you and to
some extent, others, the opportunity to cross examine my motives and also
my beliefs. Someone much closer to me than you are now believes that the
crash sight at Corona, New Mexico is true and that the government is what
is stopping mankind from learning the truth. A flying disc did not crash
at Corona. This is the confusion your government is creating. Confusion
effectively halts any flow of true information. With some people who can
believe this incident are others who do not. The story has been told. I
recall what really crashed however, was not a weather balloon. The force
that recovered the objects there thought a story that would introduce any
confusion would be better than an outright story of denial. Thus, we see
the ARMY AIR FORCE news-release as being a flying disc. Yet, next day, a
new release found its' way to the world press. This time, denying all of
the previous days' answers. The press is the evil that controls most all
of the Planet Earths' political power. The press must be destroyed as it
was on our planet. Think about what I have told you and gather questions
you would like to ask me. I'll answer them. We will meet again soon.
R----
JW Well, that's what my friend said the spaceman said.
John Winston.
Alan Greig
> In article <1994Mar14....@zippy.dct.ac.uk> ccd...@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
> You are clearly lacking quite a bit of knowledge, and as for any "Attact",
> there was none. I was asking exactly WHAT "satelite/satellite instrument"
> he was refering to in that statement. Once again, GET A CLUE!
Can I ask where I've demonstrated that I am "clearly lacking quite a bit
of knowledge"?
>
>>So you would be perfectly happy inside a microwave oven or perhaps
>>standing around a nuclear bomb I take it. After all microwave energy
>>and gamma radiation -- well -- it's just photons isn't it.
>
> heh, heh... sorry, i'm not going to waste time explaining
> the EMF spectrum to such a silly little flamer as yourself.
Perhaps because you can't? I'd just love to hear you explain.
>
> Nope, the only thing "quite clear" about John is that he's nuts! :->
> its interesting that you seem to think he makes so much sense though.
> I guess that means I shouldn't take anything you say very seriously.
By all means ignore everything I say.
Alan Greig
> ``Attact'' the spelling?
> What else are you doing `ccdargian'? Or do you want to deny the
> massacre of 2.5 million photons by armenian spell-checkers?
You know I'd love to claim I intended to write "Attact" but am
sure I actually wrote "Attack". I blame high energy photons
(probably funded by the Turkish government) flipping over bits
"howling in the wires".
>
> Teo
Thad Floryan
| from a space person. Some of the ideas contradict some of my pet theories
| but I will let you know what he said anyway. He may be right and I'm wrong.
| ............................................................................
|
| Dear Mr. Winston:
|
| sent you email telling you about my previous post that I must have been a
| little under-developed mentally in my ability to explain where I am from.
| Let me suggest again that as mankind will eventually discover, There is a
| planet that is in an ecliptical orbit - not eliptical around Barnard Star
| that has not been discovered yet by humankind. This star is constantly a
| shadow to Barnards' Star from your Planet Earth. It is an eclipse planet
| and its orbit is eccentric (eliptical) as well. To your satisfaction and
| others, what I am saying is that you will never see it from Planet Earth.
Somebody please buy Mr. Winston's correspondent a dictionary. Here's why:
| "There is a planet that is in an ecliptical orbit - not eliptical around
| Barnard Star ... It is an eclipse planet and its orbit is eccentric
| (eliptical) as well."
Howzat?
The ECLIPTIC is the orbital plane of the _EARTH_ with respect to the center
of the Sun, because the earth is our point of reference.
I suppose that as we explore other systems in the future, the ecliptic of
those systems will be defined to be the orbital plane of some significant
planet/body/whatever in those systems.
An ECLIPSE is the dimming or elimination of light reaching an observer from
a heavenly body because "something" is between the emitter and observer. To
wit:
lunar eclipse: (SUN) (EARTH) (MOON)
solar eclipse: (SUN) (MOON) (EARTH)
An ELLIPSE (note two "L") is a plane curve such that the sums of the distances
from any point on the curve to two fixed points (foci) is a constant.
A CIRCLE is an ellipse whose two foci are coincident at the circle's center.
Beginning an article with such basic flaws renders everything else in the
article suspect (especially since the information source is a "space[d]"
person who, presumably, should understand basic geometry and the mathematics
required for celestial navigation and the calculation or orbital dynamics.
Thad Floryan [ th...@btr.com, th...@cup.portal.com, th...@netcom.com ]
Alan Greig
> heh, heh... sorry, i'm not going to waste time explaining
> the EMF spectrum to such a silly little flamer as yourself.
Silly me. Missed that one. What does 'voltage' have to do with
anything?
And I still want to hear your version of dreamworld physics
in which photons can only be visible light.
If you're going to jump on John Winston (or anyone else) at least
try and say something coherent. Otherwise *you* are just as guilty as
you think JW is of wasting bandwidth with nonsense.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
I will now answer a peson on the Net.
Question:
Though some people who want attention poke fun at this news, I find
it to be a very serious matter. It's not everyday that aliens land. Oh,
maybe it is.
I was wondering if the aliens have pets. I'd like to have an alien
pet.
Answer: Yes most of the space people have pets. They treat them mostly as
companions because they know how to talk telepathically to animals. All
animals are telepathic even here on Earth. Only a few humans are telepathic
so that they can communicate with animals. Some of the space people have
dogs that are as big as horses and grown people can ride them, but most of the
dogs are just pretty big. Sometimes space beings bring along an fur covered
human looking creature that is used for protection. These beings are very
strong and can fight like everything.
I was surprised to hear from the person who was in South America with
Shirley M. that some of the space people that live in the snow covered
peaks around the area where they filmed the T.V. miniseries, don't have
pets. They say they come form and place that is about like the snow and
ice covered peaks of that place on Earth. So I would recommend that you
ask for a dog if a space person offers to give you a pet.
John Winston.
Lewis McCarthy
|joe_...@quickmail.cis.yale.edu (Joe Fagan) writes:
|>Federation .... stop watching star-trek, and get a life....
|
|"get a life", yes... stop watching s-t? NEVER!! :->
I only stopped watching "Get A Life" because they cancelled it.
otherwise, not a chance...
(Their choice of theme song was spot-on, n'est-ce pas ?)
I have temporarily stopped watching ST and its derivatives
because I have temporarily stopped watching TV.
-Lewis
"The sleeping pill I took was just a waste of time" -the 5th Dimension
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
People have suggested that I read this months issue of Omni magazine.
I looke at it a little bit on the news stand and it appears to cover
a lot of things that I have already discussed on the Net. He is what
one of my friends said about it......................................
.....................................................................
I just wanted to let you all know the OMNI Magazine (April 1994)
has a whole issue dedicated to UFO's.
Titles to Stories:
"Cosmic Conspiracy: Six Decades of Government UFO Cover-ups, Part 1"
"Inside the Military UFO Underground"
"Soviet Saucers"
G------ S-----
JW That is the sum total of what was said.
John Winston
Dean Adams
>In article <dadamsCM...@netcom.com>, dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) writes:
>> In article <1994Mar14....@zippy.dct.ac.uk> ccd...@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>
>> You are clearly lacking quite a bit of knowledge, and as for any "Attact",
>> there was none. I was asking exactly WHAT "satelite/satellite instrument"
>> he was refering to in that statement. Once again, GET A CLUE!
>
>Can I ask where I've demonstrated that I am "clearly lacking quite a bit
>of knowledge"?
Just go back and look at your last post and/or "Attact".
Its all there in black and white (depending on your monitor).
This most recent offering was also rather "lacking" though.
You're not even a very good flamer, and of course you have
nothing to contribute that could actually be "on topic".
Oh, well. Such is life! Later, kid...
Callan Jacobson
Amazing! Where does "John" get this stuff??
Included here is a recent post by "John Winston", along with my comments
included for the sake of 'equal time'.
John_-_...@flake.flake.flake.edu wrote:
: Dear Folks:
: Here is some information sent to me by a friend that is supposed to be
: from a space person.
FROM a space person?
: Some of the ideas contradict some of my pet theories
: but I will let you know what he said anyway. He may be right and I'm wrong.
Or maybe you're BOTH wrong. If extraterrestrials wanted to talk to mankind,
they certainly wouldn't talk to you "John"...you have no credibility.
: Dear Mr. Winston:
:
: I finally have some time to greet you from an absence of over a month. I
: remember offering you some inkling of an account that would take place in
: your area that would give you insight to what I already know about you and
: the course of history that humankind will face. There's a great stall of
: time where earth will remain stagnant of any new technological advancings
: and as a result the study of your people will also slow to a very limited
: project. I know you are aware of the Majestic 12 whom was originally the
: group of 12 leaders to study and research the true possibility of the UFO
: sightings across your United States.
And here I thought Majestic 12 was a card game. Oh, well.
(Yes, yes, I *really* know what Majestic 12 supposedly is...)
: President Truman and his groups did
: create the Project. The 12 were referred to many times as the Unholy 13.
Did somebody mis-count?
: This reference is contained in many documents which are now de-classified
: material at your disposal. If you will notice upon reading them, several
: vague comments are made by Truman and later President Eisenhower. We have
: had to watch with idle hands as over 20 of our kind were whisked from the
: crash sights at the hands of merciless, evil government employees who lie
: and deceive many innocent human beings.
Hmm. Sounds like our "space person" is really a disgruntled postal worker.
And besides, if you really want to get down to it, weren't these aliens
trespassing into United States airspace? If (during the Cold War) the
Soviets had had a new spy plane of theirs crash in the U.S., do YOU think
we'd give it back to them, at least before examining it thuroughly?
Clue: remember Gary Powers and the U-2.
And if the pilot(s) were something that had never been seen on this planet,
obviously possessing intelligence and obviously DEAD, wouldn't you take a
good long look at it? Besides, what are you going to do: SHIP THE BODY
HOME? Oh, pleeeeeeeease.
: Our intelligence has been widely
: insulted
And ours is just beginning to be.
: and we know that the United States Government is active in using
: technology to store our beings until human advances in understanding with
: discovered biomedical and scientific methods are injested into you social
: structure. We as living beings are in many ways, alike. It is my honest
: hope that we too, will find answers to some of our most perplexing and at
: least not explainable questions we have at present. We will continue our
: present time line and aging process while we are visitors of your planet,
: Earth. I know your great interest in beings from another world appear to
: be valid and in context, however you are somewhat gullible at given times
: causing you to lose credibility among your peers and superiors.
Well you don't have to be from another planet to realize that about "John".
: My memory is near photographic and I now recall an instance where someone
: sent you email telling you about my previous post that I must have been a
: little under-developed mentally in my ability to explain where I am from.
I think he's the guy from Half Moon Bay, California having a bad acid trip.
: Let me suggest again that as mankind will eventually discover, There is a
: planet that is in an ecliptical orbit - not eliptical around Barnard Star
Huh?
: that has not been discovered yet by humankind. This star is constantly a
: shadow to Barnards' Star from your Planet Earth. It is an eclipse planet
: and its orbit is eccentric (eliptical) as well. To your satisfaction and
: others, what I am saying is that you will never see it from Planet Earth.
NOT! I know that much from Astronomy 101.
(Folks, try working out how two orbiting planets around different stars
would have to behave for this to happen.)
: I am sure you have heard or read about a planet thought to exist with the
: name "Clarion". This planet does not exist but the story is similar with
: what I explained above. Your science has very fruitfully discounted what
: some thought to exist in an opposite conjunction with Earth. Clarion was
: never a planet in your star system.
No, but isn't it a type of hair spray?
: I am only at liberty to say now, that your interest in unexplained sights
: of aerial nature may land you the opportunity some day to meet travellers
: from another star system.
And they will bring you a gift: a lovely white coat.
: What I can not say, is your ability to prove a
: sighting as your government is very well prepared to debunk any theory of
: UFO's from an extra- terrestrial source as psychological in nature. They
: (the governments) exist and will only exist if a government can inspire a
: confusion to its' people with wars, taxes and laws.
Ah, our "spaceman" is an anarchist. How advanced of him.
: I will offer something in evidence to you so that it will give you and to
: some extent, others, the opportunity to cross examine my motives and also
: my beliefs. Someone much closer to me than you are now believes that the
: crash sight at Corona, New Mexico is true and that the government is what
: is stopping mankind from learning the truth. A flying disc did not crash
: at Corona. This is the confusion your government is creating. Confusion
: effectively halts any flow of true information.
Well by that token, you two must be incredibly befuddled.
: With some people who can
: believe this incident are others who do not. The story has been told. I
: recall what really crashed however, was not a weather balloon. The force
: that recovered the objects there thought a story that would introduce any
: confusion would be better than an outright story of denial. Thus, we see
: the ARMY AIR FORCE news-release as being a flying disc. Yet, next day, a
: new release found its' way to the world press. This time, denying all of
: the previous days' answers.
Well, you know, if they hadn't said anything at all, there probably wouldn't
be such a large interest in UFOs today, now would there?
: The press is the evil that controls most all
: of the Planet Earths' political power.
Well I can't argue with that fact. Just look at the 1992 Presidential
election.
: The press must be destroyed as it
: was on our planet.
See, what did I tell you? He's an anarchist.
Or a fascist. You be the judge.
: Think about what I have told you and gather questions
: you would like to ask me. I'll answer them. We will meet again soon.
Yes, of course. And all of "John"'s questions and all of "Spaceman
Spiff"'s answers will be incredibly vague.
<YAWN> Already seen this one, "John". Try giving us dates, places,
names, huh?
: JW Well, that's what my friend said the spaceman said.
Yeah, a non-stop cavalcade of information.
: John Winston.
Cal Jacobson
şş I'm not a spaceman, but I play one on the Internet--NOT. şş
Robert Dinse
> > This belt of photon particles was first discovered in the 1960's in
>
> Oh, really? And which "satelite" might that have been?
>
> > or positron and an electron. These split second collisions cause the
> > charges of the particles to cancel and the resultant mass is converted
> > into energy in the form of >photons.
>
> A photon is a particle of LIGHT!! Anyone afraid of "photons" should
> just lock themselves in a dark closet, or perhaps wear a really dark
> pair of sunglasses (and a good sunscreen!) and they'll be just FINE!
The photons created in a positron-electron annihlation I believe would be
a fairly stiff gamma ray, ie, pretty energetic, enough to be ionizing, breaking
DNA and doing other cellular damage, exposure to a bunch would likely induce
cancer. Maybe you're not afraid of cancer, I'd rather pass on it thank you.
Alan Greig
How long have you had your inferiority complex?
Would you like to talk about it?
Dean Adams
In article <2m8rtp$f...@thor.cs.umass.edu> lmcc...@cs.umass.edu (Lewis McCarthy) writes:
>Dean Adams writes:
>|"get a life", yes... stop watching s-t? NEVER!! :->
>
>I only stopped watching "Get A Life" because they cancelled it.
>otherwise, not a chance...
You shouldn't let that stop you.
I didn't, I have all 35 glorious episodes on tape.
>(Their choice of theme song was spot-on, n'est-ce pas ?)
Yep, a great R.E.M. tune.
>I have temporarily stopped watching ST and its derivatives
>because I have temporarily stopped watching TV.
Aliens hiding in your TV? That still should
not stop you from watching TNG/DSN/B5!
Dean Adams
Hmm... too bad you don't give more "answers".
>
>Answer: Yes most of the space people have pets.
>...
> So I would recommend that you ask for a dog if a
> space person offers to give you a pet.
Yes... and I would recommend that people seek out
these "space persons" at your local animal shelter.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
The followings is a group of answers that you people on the Net have
asked me to ask the people from the future. We now start with part 1.
........................................................................
........................................................................
Here are the Q&A's as asked by you. I hope these are satisfactory
for your net. I have transcribed them as received. This is part I
for now..I'll do more tomorrow..I'm getting tired.
================================================================
q>> How old is the Earth and has it always been in this solar system?
a<< It has been in this solar system for its entire life. The sun is
periodically throwing off more of its children. The placement of
these planets was not in one single burst. This solar system had two
suns in the beginning.. The Earth is 5 and 1/2 times its known age
at this time. The other sun is the dark planet you will discover
within the next decade beyond your ninth planet.
q>> The one that causes all the trouble?
a<< Yes..
q>> The "dark" star?
a<< Yes..
q>> Please tell me a little about yourself ( the entity who you are
asking the questions to.
a<< We are yourselves in the future..3300 years in front of you. We are
re-colonizing and planting this planet. Because of our origins we
have need to replant 86% of this planet to revitalize the
atmosphere.
q>> What happened to our recent probe that we sent up and it stopped
transmitting information?
a>> It was.. intervened with.
q>> How long do you think the Earth will last?
a>> We are here yet 3300 years in your future so there shall be. That is
a brief time for this planet.
q>> They "intervened" with the Mars probe because they didn't want to be
spied upon?
a<< Yes..there are other things happening that they deem none of your
concern.
q>> What is that?
a<< These are things that you will find.
q>> Colonizing?
a<< Yes..terra-forming..it's been 3000 of your years that it's gotten to
the state it is now. They live there.
q>> When will the space people make formal visits to the Earth and be
recognized by Earth people and the whole thing be proven to the
Earth?
a<< Within this decade.
====================================================================
q>> Has there been any major geographical changes of the Earth from now
to their time?
a<< Yes..the western continent will have shrunk 37%..
q>> ..of North America?
a<< Yes..the Northern section will be 28%..Asia or Eur-Asia will be
16-20% of it current size and mass. There will be a tilting of
roughly.. a total of 37 degrees in our time from yours. This did not
help our current situation either.
q>> There was alot of talk regarding the pole-shift and the general
feeling was that it happened before and won't affect them very
much.
a<< It will be approx. 27.859 degrees. This will be calculable by your
year 2000. They will be able to project to our time precisely this
count from readings and observations of your current scientists.
q>> So some of this stuff will take place between now and the year
2000?
a<< Yes...you will be able to calculate the total Earth tilt and the
digression of the poles. This is due to that tenth planet and the
star coming through. It's quite a mass.
q>> So the perturbations by this dark star really throw things out
of kilter?
a<< Yes..the prophecies of alignment of planets and the things of those
sorts for our purposes were, and as you can tell by other times,
..misconceived as the Armageddon..they will feel as if that is what
is happening..yes.
q>> When this happens do the storages of chemicals and radioactive
materials get broken loose and cause more damage?
a<< There was quite a risk but you will overcome this problem..it is not
your main problem.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Eric Tellefsen
What about a water buffalo? Or a gopher(not the internet kind)? Or dare
I say it, a three-fingered sloth?
>
>John Winston.
>
>
Lewis McCarthy
> (Their choice of theme song was spot-on, n'est-ce pas ?)
Dean Adams writes:
$ Yep, a great R.E.M. tune.
Heh heh, that's exactly *not* what I meant.
I would vote "Stand" as one of the 5 most aggravating songs
of the last 10 years (along with N by N's "Hip Hop Hurray"
etc.). Serious `these guys desperately need to get lives' stuff...
-Lewis
*** Please reply to this group because Mike Dahmus reads my email ***
Matt McIrvin
>Aliens hiding in your TV? That still should
>not stop you from watching TNG/DSN/B5!
And don't forget the fourth Star Trek show, Star Trek: Late Night
with Conan O'Brien!
--
Matt 01234567 <-- The original Indent-o-Meter
McIrvin ^ Someday, tab damage will light our homes!
Matt McIrvin
>Just go back and look at your last post and/or "Attact".
>Its all there in black and white (depending on your monitor).
Actually, the Atari 8-bit attact mode was in color.
The machine cycled through different colors to keep the screen
from burning in. It was an early sort of screen saver. The
2600 did this too.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
q>> What is the main problem?
a<< Ecological imbalance, not due to outside influence,..mainly by the
breakdown of food chains. Not determined by any outside influence
again..natural occurence due to these shifts. Don't misunderstand or
mistake them..those are *key* in your forward development.
q>> The breakdown of the food chains?
a<< No..the interpretation of the cause *of* the breakdown. That was our
fault. We felt that the breakdown was due to the impurities and
pollutants..so we sterilized and cleansed as much as possible. As
the problem worsened..we increased our efforts to sterilized and
clean..it wasn't until it was too late that we finally realized that
the over-cleansing was the problem. We removed basic nutrients that
lower life forms needed to survive. All the other parts of the
different chains depend upon these delicate dependencies. The key is
moderation and balance. We created our own toxin...ourselves and our
cleanliness..our need to sterilize because of our indiscretion in
your time and above. We over-killed.. to coin a pun.
q>> What vehicles are used for transportation or are vehicles
obsolete?
a<< Transportation is used. To describe the mode and how it is used is
difficult..it is powered but it is a vehicle of the mind. It is not
astral projection. It has a geometric shape..egg shaped ..more oft
reptile egg-shaped..thin and long..basically eliptical. The "skin"
is seamless ..you enter this through a vibrational key, the
molecular structure of the material is keyed to the individual, and
pass through it to enter...and also is a null field effect within
the capsule. This null field creates a sub-space for yourself within
the capsule. You move freely within your own time and space..and
some alternates as we have found..we are still experimenting also.
q>> In their time have they discovered dimensions past the third
dimension?
a<< Yes..
q>> Judging from current growth in population, it seems likely that the
Earth will be over-populated in the future. Is this the case in
their time? If so, how do they cope with the problem?
a<< No..natural selection will encompass the humanity.
q>> Have you established some type of colonization on other planets?
a<< Yes.
q>> within this solar system?..
a<< Yes..
q>> outside this solar system?
a<< yes..
====================================================================
q>> If they really are people from the future, can they tell us more
detail about the future that we are facing, not to alter them or
anything, but rather as information to know? Like what kind of
process are we going to go through to evolve to their form?
a<< That may take all night..the processes basically are set on the
individual and individuals of one mind..we are of one mind please
enlighten them and understand that we are of one mind even though in
embodiment we are individual and many years have passed since our
inoculation into your substance..that has made us now what we are
but ..slightly individual. Basically we have kept our religion of
unitarian.
q>> What about all those underground nuclear and radioactive units our
military has stored beneath the oceans and the deserts. Did this
have an effect on our planet?
a<< The planet, for the slight blemishes you have placed beneath its
skin, will throw this off. It came from the Earth..it will return to
the Earth as all things do.
===============================================================
q>> One question that comes immediately to mind is what about our
immediate future (i.e. next 10-15 years)? With all of our ancient
prophecies ending around the year 2000 I'm a little concerned about
our future as a race. Is there going to be a major break in our
evolution before we reach the state and time that this future being
comes from?
a<< Yes..it is within yourself to be unified and show the worth of
humanity and its forward motion through time.. its contribution
..its well-being and its well-keeping for itself and others like
them..and others that are not quite like them. That is your turning
point and your goal..it is for yourself that you work for this end
means but if you work for another you may achieve it faster. You
must let us know if our advice is curt or inappropriate..but we are
speaking from the heart.
R-----
JW That all for now.
John Winston
Dean Adams
>
> The followings is a group of answers that you people on the Net have
>asked me to ask the people from the future.
NO, those are OBVIOUSLY not "people's questions from the net"!
That is a continous Q&A "narrative" somebody just churned out
all at once. And not unexpectedly, its a load of gibberish.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
Parts 1 and 2 will probably be printed out two times. Sometimes you just
can't make a nickel.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
.......................................................................
Part 2a.
Hi John; here is the rest of the session. I hope you found it enlightening
and informative? r----.
===========================
q>> Why do they call 'Earth' Leia, in his or her time?
a<< We figured we had called it 'Earth' for so long we'd give it a
personality.
q>> Then there's a joke written here..that maybe you had gotten ahold
of a copy of a videotape of "Star Wars" and figured it was a
metaphor and named it after a famous princess. Just joking.
a<< It contains no context we understand. It's been called many
different names through the various times but they've all spelled
"home".
q>> If you people come back here in time and live a long time then
die of old age in this time, do you sometime reincarnate in this
time and not remember when you're born again that you are from
the future?
a<< If it was possible to die in this time, which would not be
possible..there is no death. Corporal loss is not the end as you
will find. Those who are not aware after they have passed are
those that stay..an entrapment in effect with this sphere. There
is not a possibility of that happening.
q>> Are these questions being submitted to one person or a group of
intelligences?
a<< It depends on where you wish the answer to come from. The group, if
it's necessary for a group answer or consensus and a single one
from a single answer or question.
q>> Is the information being channeled from a physical person or a
spiritual person?
a<< We feel we are spiritual yes..in our own unitarian way. Physical
..we deem ourselves as physical as you feel yourselves are
physical in your time..from our perspective.
q>> Do you people believe in God?
a<< Yes..in a sense. We do not believe we are the end product. We do
believe we are just parts of the end product.. being a total
consciousness wishing to experience all different types of
development. It is a piece of God within each one of us that
experiences each one's own feelings, needs, wants, desires,
trusts, and distrusts, likes, and dislikes, and its intensities.
Each being in itself derives strength from and/or weakness,
sorrow, hatred, anger, indifferent modes. Consider yourself
'sensors' for a greater intelligence..gatherers of information..
the food of life...consciousness.
q>> How do you feel about Jesus Christ?
a<< Jesus Christ is a manifestation in the belief within your culture
for this time frame. It's a tough question..the concept of a god
and/or gods or a specific god does not stop with age. As we
grow we unify in thought. There were many, many more religions
and beliefs before what you have now..many have consolidated,
many have evolved, and many have gone extinct through lack of
worship or understanding. As you move through the ages you develop
awareness's, understandings, intelligences based upon experience.
These will formulate into beliefs and religions. There will be
many more that fall and many more that rise but there are only a
few great truths..and that is you are not alone, you're not the
only, and there is one larger than yourself.
q>> At this time, there is great expectation, anxiety, and prediction
for the year 2000. Looking back from 5300, how has the earth
societies treated the coming and going of the dawn of each
millennium?
a<< As an apocalypse. Through experiencing each, as you would say,
apocalypse or coming, or cleansing..you learn that it is not as
divine as first thought. It is a man-made apocalypse..one forged
in time from the tears, the blood, and the sweat of all those
that came before you. You will evolve through the apocalypse and
it will become more an awareness of time, an awareness of
yourselves, an awareness of each other. You will no longer become
apocalyptic but more evangelistic.
John Winston.
John_-_...@cup.portal.com
our Earth's future.........................................................
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Part 2b.
q>> Have the earth people created more languages between themselves, or
is there a move to a universal language between the earth-people
and other planetary races?
a<< No..not universal..understandable. Technologies have always aided
in this type of communication but friendship and trust are two
languages that are pretty much similar throughout all races.
There are those who are "bad boys" in the universe but the "good
boys" out-weigh them ten-fold. A unified thought..understanding
is pretty automatic as you find in your relationships that you
have with others in your time frame. There are those you trust
immediately and those that you weigh for a time. Understand?
q>> From todays perspective, what is the single most important thing,
idea, or concept that current earth people should be aware?
a<< Compassion.. trust..you are aware of them. Being aware of them
does not always communicate what a people's needs are.
q>> How did this person get in contact with this people?
a<< In the dream state for a start. Then as knowledge, understanding,
maturity, trust, friendship, and intelligence grew we became
more accessible through the mind and in the awake state.
q>> I'm not trying to be rude, but do you honestly believe him?
Why not ask these advanced beings to see if they can do something
about the present situation of earth. Surely with advanced
technology, something can be done to the political/environmental/
psychological situation we are in?
a<< That's why we are here now. For what we can do..we are doing. For
what powers we have to do this with..we are exerting. As again,
because of the advanced technologies we CANNOT divulge any more
than we have..it would cause a cataclysmic effect on the future..
a time-wave effect that could destroy us. Subtle change is the best.
If you weren't so far back we may have been able to do more in a
more rapid time but YOU have responsibility for YOUR time..take
care of it and fix it where you can..don't give up on it just
because there is another technology available. Use yourself as
your resource and don't depend upon anyone else except yourself
for the answer.
q>> I have a hard time believing that another time exists besides
the present...if it does, that means that all times exist and there
should be no way for our consciousness to travel from one moment
to the next and not be able to travel equally backwards.. in
otherwords what would make time one directional if all times are
real and still exist? I believe only in the present moment and
that time does not exist in past or future..past is only memory
and future only imagination. Reality is only here and now..can
these aliens explain that?
a<< Time is not a linear commodity. Time has tones, under-tones, and
over-tones. The vibrations of a bell have a primary vibration
and secondary resonant vibrations. Those tones, because energy is
exerted specifically in one point, will vary these specific nodes
or points of time. The vibrations are time itself because
frequency is time and resonance is frequency. Because you
resonate at a specific basic rate of 8 to 18 Hz..you are
sympathetic with this planet since the planets' mass is more than
yourself. It generates an 11Hz signal. This resonance causes you
to move through time at that frame of second or frame of time. To
move within it..you may..aside of it..below it..atop of it. You
only need to exert a minimal of energy and you will be virtually
slingshot through different dimensional layers. It is like
skimming a stone on a pond. Understand?
q>> Do they have to travel through space to move to the spot where
the earth will be in the future? Or can they time travel from
anywhere and still end up in the right place in the future?
ie: is the time continuum dependent upon spatial (geographical)
location, or independent of it? Eagerly awaiting an answer.
a<< We can pick a point of time and place ourselves there. The time
does not have to be equilateral to where we are in position at
that moment before we make the move. It is independent of it. It
more fluid and flexible than the continuum based upon your
reality.
John Winston
Geoff Lane
: Subject: Answers From The Future. Part 2 of 2.
Nothing that could be verified then?
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Exactly who makes the Tannoy announcements in M*A*S*H? It can't be Radar
and there is never anyone else in the office. (This refers to `classic'
M*A*S*H of course, not M*A*S*H*Lite with all the Radar removed at source.)
Jeremy Reimer
>It's fairy tale time again....
Just ignore John_-_. I know it won't make him go away, but do it anyway.
Except on occasions when you shouldn't.
>John_-_...@peyote.buttons.edu wrote:
[massive deletia]
>: We saw Captain Mantell coming towards us and knew he didn't
>: wish us any harm, so we let him come closer. Due to the fact that his
>: plane had sharp edges on it's wings and other areas, when his plane came
>: in comtact with our protective force field, it penetrated the force field
>: rather than bouncing off like our round surfaced craft with force fields
>: normally do.
>Kinda makes you wonder what the hell a force field was for, if anything
>"sharp" can penetrate it....
THE SLOW BLADE PENETRATES THE SHIELD.
Sheesh! Where've YOU been??
--
Jeremy "OS/2ibo" Reimer
Promoting Better Netting Through Mediocrity since 1989.
"This is the snobbery of the people on the Mayflower looking down
their noses at the people who came over ON THE SECOND BOAT!"
- Mitch Kapor, on Usenet elitism
Dean Adams
> The followings is a group of answers that you people on the Net have
>asked me to ask the people from the future. We now start with part 1.
>
> for your net. I have transcribed them as received.
So... if these are all "asked by us", and you transcribed them as they
were received... how come nearly every question is a "followup" to a
previous ANSWER, but you are only just NOW posting the answers??
Just how were people able to send you all these followup questions,
without ever hearing the *answers* first? :->
Come on john, your fiction is becoming way, WAY too transparent.
Take a few days off and come up with something better...
Such as, just what are the Romulans up to 3300 years from now?
I'm sure they MUST have joined the Federation by that time!
Steven D. Timpson
> Subject: Answers From The Future. Part 1 of 2.
>
> The followings is a group of answers that you people on the Net have
> asked me to ask the people from the future. We now start with part 1.
> ........................................................................
> ........................................................................
>
>
> John Winston.
>
Not a single question from this net was answered.
John, your future buddy has the same grammatical skills as yourself... Funny
eh!
Steve Food_for_the_Greys/Reptoids
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and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own image to be servants
of their human interests.
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>
>In article <106...@cup.portal.com> John_-_...@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Subject: Answers From The Future. Part 1 of 2.
>> The followings is a group of answers that you people on the Net have
>>asked me to ask the people from the future. We now start with part 1.
>>
>> Here are the Q&A's as asked by you. I hope these are satisfactory
>> for your net. I have transcribed them as received.
>
>
>So... if these are all "asked by us", and you transcribed them as they
>were received... how come nearly every question is a "followup" to a
>previous ANSWER, but you are only just NOW posting the answers??
>
>Just how were people able to send you all these followup questions,
>without ever hearing the *answers* first? :->
Well, because both the answers and the questions are from the future.
It is SO obvious... How did you not think of that, Dean_-_Adams?
Teo_-_Mora
Justin G Otto
Q:Dirac once demonstrated this to his students by having his evil twin
Q:brother, Carid Luap, collide with him at high speeds, resulting in an
Q:incredible release of energy and the destruction of half the campus.
Err...
Paul Dirac had a twin brother whose surname was different?!?
I find that a little hard to beable.
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It modified my personality.
To the extent that I was really irritable." - FNM