Euphemism for tip/dump

[Adam Funk]

We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

As you were, comrades.


--
Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn
nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from what
happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view.
---Chad C. Mulligan

[phil]

On 14/06/2021 14:13, Adam Funk wrote:
> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>
> As you were, comrades.
>
>

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but nowadays
it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does seem more honest.

[HVS]

On 14 Jun 2021, phil wrote

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather than a
"HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally as "the tip",
that always slightly unsettles me.

A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood, garden
waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical appliances,
etc. and one for general household stuff that can't be recycled.

But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a landfill
site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being shaped by JCBs
or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't refer
to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

[Janet]

In article <b91kphx...@news.ducksburg.com>, a24...@ducksburg.com
says...

>
> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>
> As you were, comrades.

If you went to one, you'd find "Waste management park " is far from a
dump; it's its a transition zone where useful waste is delivered and
sorted into numerous categories for specialist recycling.
If you're on friendly terms with the staff it's an endless free source
of useful material for upcycling, DIY projects etc.

Janet.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <b91kphx...@news.ducksburg.com>,

Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>
> As you were, comrades.

In the USA, Waste Management Park is more than likely to be a stadium,
sponsored by the Waste Management Company.

Or a PGA tournament site, "Stadium Course at TPC Scottsdale."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Open>

[occam]

On 14/06/2021 16:13, HVS wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2021, phil wrote
>
>> On 14/06/2021 14:13, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
>>> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>>>
>>> As you were, comrades.
>>>
>> It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
>> nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does seem
>> more honest.
>
> That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather than a
> "HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally as "the tip",
> that always slightly unsettles me.
>
> A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood, garden
> waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical appliances,
> etc. and one for general household stuff that can't be recycled.
>
> But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a landfill
> site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being shaped by JCBs
> or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains of
rubbish?

>
> All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't refer
> to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are those
open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting centres) , while
tips are places where lorry drivers take assorted lorry-loads for dumping.

>

[occam]

In Luxembourg, you do not need to be on friendly terms with anyone in
order to do that. Pre-COVID, there was a special room where people could
deposit their unwanted (but perfectly good) stuff, e.g. childrens' toys,
CDs, picture frames, vases, etc, for others to pick through.

When my kids were very young, they would jump at the opportunity to come
with me to recycling. While I was busy throwing away paper/bottle/metal/
wood objects, they would come away with all sorts of toys. (The latter
would normally return to the recycle centre a few weeks later...)


>

[Adam Funk]

I've been to "household waste recycling centres"; I didn't mean "dump"
as an insult.


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the place where two gangs of bandits got too exhausted to kill each
other anymore and signed a treaty. Patriotism is the delusion that one
of these gangs of bandits is better than all the others." --R A Wilson

[HVS]

On 14 Jun 2021, occam wrote

A reasonable distinction, but our HWRS will take at least some
commercial vehicles for a fee; there's no charge for private
vehicles, unless you're dumping building rubble, which attracts a
£2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]

I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip" (informally,
as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd say "I need to
take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let alone "to the
Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I need to take some
stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]

[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle -- say
you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them that
you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.

[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better than
the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope they
keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
disappear.

--
Cheers, Harvey

[soup]

On 14/06/2021 17:51, HVS wrote:

>
> [1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle -- say
> you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them that
> you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.

Here (Balerno , Edinburgh, Scotland [we use the Sighthill recycling
centre])if you are in a liveried van there is no convincing anyone, you
ARE a company (get yee to Seafield where trade waste can be unloaded for
a fee). If you have had to hire a van you must show the rental
agreement to prove it is a rented van (yes even if it has Hertz van
rental on the side) if you want to be treated as a resident and get free
waste services

> [2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
> so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better than
> the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope they
> keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
> disappear.

We too have a booking system .You have to jump through all these hoops
and carry a piece of paper containing you appointment details and a
reference number . Then the chap(s) at the site just wave you through
no checing of anything (they do seem to look at the registration number
of the car so perhaps their i-Pads (other tablets are available) show
GH65 NHG arriving at 10:30 so if you are about that time they just
assume everything else is correct
>

[J. J. Lodder]

Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
after the company that built it.
They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
It attracts racing cyclists from far away,

Jan

[Ken Blake]

It should also be noted that "Waste Management" is a company name.


--
Ken

[Peter Moylan]

On 15/06/21 00:13, Adam Funk wrote:

> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>
> As you were, comrades.

Some of the people who drive the garbage trucks here like to call
themselves garbologists.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Adam Funk]

You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
park, though?

The waste management park I mentioned was still in use for waste
management.


--
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the freaks said,
man, those cats can really swing!

[CDB]

On 6/14/2021 12:51 PM, HVS wrote:
> occam wrote
>> HVS wrote:
>>> phil wrote

> Ł2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]

> I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
> (informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd say
> "I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let alone "to
> the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I need to take
> some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]

> [1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle --
> say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them
> that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.

> [2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
> so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better
> than the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope
> they keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
> disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff to
the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"

that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection service
takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/ compostable food
waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the Recycle on our
behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the waste stream.

--
Recyclers work so near the dump
That almost every day
Enlightened labourers can look out
On rats and gulls at play.

[HVS]

On 14 Jun 2021, soup wrote

> On 14/06/2021 17:51, HVS wrote:
>

-snip-

>> [2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
>> off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
>> better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
>> and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
>> restrictions finally disappear.
>
> We too have a booking system .You have to jump through all these
> hoops and carry a piece of paper containing you appointment
> details and a reference number . Then the chap(s) at the site
> just wave you through no checing of anything (they do seem to look
> at the registration number of the car so perhaps their i-Pads
> (other tablets are available) show GH65 NHG arriving at 10:30 so
> if you are about that time they just assume everything else is
> correct

Oddly enough, our guys are quite studious about checking that you're on
the list. It probably depends on whether the contract has any
penalties for letting un-booked vehicles through (although I don't know
how that might work).

--
Cheers, Harvey

[HVS]

On 15 Jun 2021, CDB wrote

> On 6/14/2021 12:51 PM, HVS wrote:

-snip-

>
>> I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
>> (informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd
>> say "I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let
>> alone "to the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I
>> need to take some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]
>
>> [1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle --
>> say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them
>> that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do
>> that.
>
>> [2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
>> off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
>> better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
>> and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
>> restrictions finally disappear.
>
> Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some
> stuff to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
>
> that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
> service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
> compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or
> the Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes
> into the waste stream.

It varies quite remarkably between local councils. Ours does
something similar every fortnight for glass, paper, cardboard, and
garden waste -- grass clippings and pruning, mainly (for which we pay
an extra fee) -- but there's no food waste service.

Every month or two, though, we seem to discard enough stuff to merit
a tip trip -- broken things, miscellaneous bits of metal and wood,
and larger garden waste (bushes that my wife the gardener has given
up on, or broken/discarded plant pots -- there are only so many
shards of terracotta that we can make use of).

--
Cheers,
Harvey

[Lewis]

We have two large wheelie bins, one is black and is picked up every week
and contains garbage. The other is purple and contains recycling, but is
only picked up every other week.

Our purple bin is always stuffed to overfilling, and it takes about 4
weeks to fill the black one, on overage.

By default the purple bin is half the size of the black one, but we
requested a larger one, so ours are basically the same size though
slightly different shapes.

Our purple bin takes all the recycling except for wood, so is filled
with cans, paper, cardboard, and most plastic containers.

There is a recycling drop-off a mile or three from our house which we
have used when we have a lot of cardboard for some reason. The actual
garbage dump is quite a long way away and you have to pay for anything
you bring. We used it once for a load of yard waste in a full-sized
pickup truck. The charge was, to my mind, excessive and we would have
been better off parceling it out over a few weeks in the garbage can.

We have some large juniper bushes near the house that we want to get rid
of, but getting rid of the several tons of dead juniper waste is one of the
critical problems with this.

--
"Why, you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking... NERFHERDER!"
"Who's Scruffy looking?"

[Quinn C]

* Adam Funk:

> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>
> As you were, comrades.

Germany did you one better there since the 1980s or so:
"Entsorgungspark". "Disposal park" (no waste mentioned), but if you only
listen with half an ear, it may suggest "get-rid-of-your-sorrows park".
This became especially poignant when it was also used for nuclear waste
disposal sites. Many have mocked it, but the word isn't entirely gone.

--
Nancy had bitten her tongue to keep from asking any questions.
She was deeply afraid that Lundy would attempt to answer them,
and then her head might actually explode.
-- Seanan McGuire, Every Heart a Doorway

[Quinn C]

* Peter Moylan:

> On 15/06/21 00:13, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
>> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>>
>> As you were, comrades.
>
> Some of the people who drive the garbage trucks here like to call
> themselves garbologists.

The janitor at my son's elementary school had a sign on his door
declaring him an "orthomopologist" (or some equivalent - in French,
anyway).

--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP

[Peter Moylan]

On 15/06/21 22:09, CDB wrote:

> Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff
> to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
>
> that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
> service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
> compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the
> Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the
> waste stream.

Most Australian cities run a three-bin system, but there's a catch. A
year or so ago China decided to stop taking our recyclables for sorting.
There aren't enough Australian companies doing the same thing, so I
suspect that a lot of recyclable waste goes straight into landfill.

Our local council does seem to be doing a good job of converting green
waste - including food scraps, but excluding oyster shells - into
compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
cans, plastic containers, etc.

Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
unread.)

[Lewis]

In message <sabm7n$hhc$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
> the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
> unread.)

And most of it is very difficult and expensive to recycle, AIUI.


--
This man was clearly mad, but at the heart of his madness was a cold,
dreadful sanity, a core of pure interstellar ice in the centre of
the furnace. She'd thought him weak under a thin shell of
strength, but it went a lot further than that. Somewhere deep
inside his mind, somewhere beyond the event horizon of
rationality, the sheer pressure of insanity had hammered his
madness into something harder than diamond. --Wyrd Sisters

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-16, Quinn C wrote:

> * Adam Funk:
>
>> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
>> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>>
>> As you were, comrades.
>
> Germany did you one better there since the 1980s or so:
> "Entsorgungspark". "Disposal park" (no waste mentioned), but if you only
> listen with half an ear, it may suggest "get-rid-of-your-sorrows park".

Funny.

> This became especially poignant when it was also used for nuclear waste
> disposal sites. Many have mocked it, but the word isn't entirely gone.

Well, I think more nuclear power (not using the traditional reactors)
is what the world needs.


--
By filing this bug report, you have challenged my
my honor. Prepare to die!
---Klingon Programmer's Guide

[J. J. Lodder]

Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2021-06-16, Quinn C wrote:
>
> > * Adam Funk:
> >
> >> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> >> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
> >>
> >> As you were, comrades.
> >
> > Germany did you one better there since the 1980s or so:
> > "Entsorgungspark". "Disposal park" (no waste mentioned), but if you only
> > listen with half an ear, it may suggest "get-rid-of-your-sorrows park".
>
> Funny.
>
> > This became especially poignant when it was also used for nuclear waste
> > disposal sites. Many have mocked it, but the word isn't entirely gone.
>
> Well, I think more nuclear power (not using the traditional reactors)
> is what the world needs.

The best energy source is always the one you don't have,

Jan

[CDB]

On 6/15/2021 9:47 AM, HVS wrote:
> CDB wrote

Our food waste was originally scheduled for biweekly pickup, but a
public outcry forced them to make it weekly.

[CDB]

On 6/15/2021 9:55 AM, Lewis wrote:

I forgot to mention that our composters take garden waste during the
warm season, and fir-trees one week after Twelfth Night.

Many people now keep those until Spring, though, as shelter for our wee
brethren and sistern, and any other wee siblern there perchance may be.

[Lewis]

In message <sacuil$1noe$1...@gioia.aioe.org> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I forgot to mention that our composters take garden waste during the
> warm season, and fir-trees one week after Twelfth Night.

We have a compost service, but it is a very small can, you have to pay
an extra charge for that can, and it is picked up only once a month. It
is intended for kitchen waste, I think as it's not large enough even to
hold grass clippings.

They WILL pick up some yard waste, branches and such, if they are tied
into bundles no more than 5' long, but only some, and only sometimes.

There is a period of time in late December and early January where they
will pickup christmas trees, but since this is right after we put ours
up, we’ve never taken advantage of this service. I believe they have
stopped picking up by Twelfth night, but our tree is up at least
through the end of January.

> Many people now keep those until Spring, though, as shelter for our wee
> brethren and sistern, and any other wee siblern there perchance may be.

--
The Steve is seen, rightly or wrongly, as the visionary, the leader,
the savant. Bill is the Boswell to The Steve's Johnson, but
lacking Boswell's wit, charm, and dynamic personality.

[Anders D. Nygaard]

Den 16-06-2021 kl. 03:04 skrev Peter Moylan:
> Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,

The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

> but there's a catch. A
> year or so ago China decided to stop taking our recyclables for sorting.
> There aren't enough Australian companies doing the same thing, so I
> suspect that a lot of recyclable waste goes straight into landfill.

We had similar teething problems with the local systems, and the
consolidation is intended to allow sufficient scale to make investments
in recycling plants (even more) wortwhile.

> Our local council does seem to be doing a good job of converting green
> waste - including food scraps, but excluding oyster shells - into
> compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
> cans, plastic containers, etc.

Talk to the Danish embassy; I'm sure they will be more than happy to
set up contacts for technology and knowledge transfer.

> Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
> the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
> unread.)

We have for a long time now had a system where households can declare
(at the post office) that they do not want these pamphlets, and get
a sticker to attach to your letter-box stating that declaration.
These stickers are by now almost fully respected, even by the 13-year
olds who deliver the reams of useless paper.
(Full disclosure: We have such a sticker)

/Anders, Denmark

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-16, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 15/06/21 22:09, CDB wrote:
>
>> Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff
>> to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
>>
>> that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
>> service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
>> compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the
>> Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the
>> waste stream.
>
> Most Australian cities run a three-bin system, but there's a catch. A
> year or so ago China decided to stop taking our recyclables for sorting.
> There aren't enough Australian companies doing the same thing, so I
> suspect that a lot of recyclable waste goes straight into landfill.
>
> Our local council does seem to be doing a good job of converting green
> waste - including food scraps, but excluding oyster shells - into

Interesting exclusion: what about clam shells?

> compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
> cans, plastic containers, etc.
>
> Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
> the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
> unread.)
>


--

My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a
whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's
hardly any difference. ---Harry S Truman

[soup]

On 16/06/2021 20:55, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
> Den 16-06-2021 kl. 03:04 skrev Peter Moylan:
>> Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,
>
> The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
> system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
> various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

Ten bins for each household?

There will be no space for anything with ten bins each.
We are in a cul-de-sac 18 houses in this cul-de-sac alone 180 bins ,
nah!

Must be something that uses less plastic (and space).

Big metal dumptser things (rather than individual bins) would be too
expensive, and we already have one of the highest community charges.

Maybe the car park down the road could be adapted sort of a mini
recycling centre with ten skips/dumptsers/containers and the whole
village could use it, only way I can see this working.

Ten skips in rural areas yeah, ten buckets per household, nah!





BTW I live in a village on the outskirts of Edinburgh (Balerno) it is
actually three miles beyond the Edinburgh bypass but it is (officially
at least) part of Edinburgh city

https://postimg.cc/CRC06Bks

[Anders D. Nygaard]

Den 17-06-2021 kl. 13:12 skrev soup:
> On 16/06/2021 20:55, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>> Den 16-06-2021 kl. 03:04 skrev Peter Moylan:
>>> Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,
>>
>> The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
>> system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
>> various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.
>
> Ten bins for each household?

No, more like three bins, possibly subdivided, for the most common
fractions, and communal skips or similar for the less used.

We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
anyway; we mostly sort at the site of production. Annoying at first
(lots of "what goes where" questions), but it has become a habit.

I think we have eight buckets or similar in appropriate places around
the flat (bio, plastic, cardboard, paper, batteries, "everything else",
glass, bottles/cans); the remaining fractions we either do not produce
(branches and others from the garden), or produce rarely enough that
we find room for them by the door (chemicals, furniture, ...) and take
them down when convenient.
(No; these are not the exact ten fractions I mentioned, but close
enough to convey the spirit)

>  There will be no space for anything with ten bins each.
> We are in a cul-de-sac 18 houses in this cul-de-sac alone 180 bins ,
> nah!

Sure, but you might be able to find room for 50 bins and 7 skips.

> Must be something that uses less plastic (and space).
>
> Big metal dumptser things (rather than individual bins)  would be too
> expensive, and we already have one of the highest community charges.
>
> Maybe the car park down the road could be adapted sort of a mini
> recycling centre with ten skips/dumptsers/containers and the whole
> village could use it,  only way I can see this working.
>
> Ten skips in rural areas yeah, ten buckets per household, nah!

Agree, and this is what we have ironed out by trying various setups
over the years with various N-bin systems.

[Lewis]

In message <sagfo9$151$1...@dont-email.me> Anders D. Nygaard <news2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Den 17-06-2021 kl. 13:12 skrev soup:
>> On 16/06/2021 20:55, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>>> Den 16-06-2021 kl. 03:04 skrev Peter Moylan:
>>>> Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,
>>>
>>> The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
>>> system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
>>> various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.
>>
>> Ten bins for each household?

> No, more like three bins, possibly subdivided, for the most common
> fractions, and communal skips or similar for the less used.

> We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
> anyway; we mostly sort at the site of production. Annoying at first
> (lots of "what goes where" questions), but it has become a habit.

They used to have separate bins for separate types of recycling, but it
was discovered that the number of people who would sort at all, much
less correctly, was very low, so we have a "single stream" system where
we out ALL out recycling into one container that is then sorted at the
recycling center.

--
Forgive your enemies, but remember their names.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:33:59 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>On 2021-06-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
>>> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
>>
>> There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
>> after the company that built it.
>> They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
>> It attracts racing cyclists from far away,
>
>You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
>park, though?
>

Now that's what I call re-cycling!

>The waste management park I mentioned was still in use for waste
>management.

--

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[J. J. Lodder]

Peter Duncanson [BrE] <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:33:59 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 2021-06-14, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >
> >> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
> >>> "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
> >>
> >> There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
> >> after the company that built it.
> >> They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
> >> It attracts racing cyclists from far away,
> >
> >You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
> >park, though?
> >
> Now that's what I call re-cycling!

Up-cycling even!

Jan

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-18, Stefan Ram wrote:

> "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
>

> The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
> garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
> plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?



> In the Anglo-Saxon world, things are quite different.
> One can read:
>
>|Why Garbage Chutes Are Essential to Apartments
>|
>|Garbage chutes are extremely common to large apartment and
>|condominium buildings, and it's easy to see why.
>|These methods of garbage disposal are really practical for
>|residents and employees who use them, minimizing their time
>|and effort, and maximizing their ability to keep the place
>|they call home clean.
>
>


--
A man can't just sit around.
---Larry Walters

[Peter Moylan]

On 21/06/21 18:46, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2021-06-18, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
>>
>> The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
>> garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
>> plants must be dismantled.
>
> I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
> recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

Probably the same people who flush organic waste down the kitchen sink.

[Mack A. Damia]

Kudos for garbage disposals.

[Quinn C]

* Adam Funk:

> On 2021-06-18, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
>>
>> The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
>> garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
>> plants must be dismantled.
>
> I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
> recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

I associate them with cockroaches - the only time I heard of a building
being shut down for cockroach infestation in Germany, it started in the
garbage chutes, which therefore were going to be shut down. 1990s.

But that doesn't qualify as "environmental grounds".

--
Democracy means government by the uneducated,
while aristocracy means government by the badly educated.
-- G. K. Chesterton

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-21, Stefan Ram wrote:

> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> writes:
>>On 2021-06-18, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>"Anders D. Nygaard" <news2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
>>>The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
>>>garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
>>>plants must be dismantled.
>>I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
>>recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?
>

> The Senate Department of Urban Development said in 2009,
> "Tenants of large apartment complexes with drop-off chutes
> dispose of more residual waste overall than in large
> apartment complexes without drop-off chutes.".
> The high proportion of paper and cardboard waste in the
> residual waste was particularly striking to that department.

That's what I'd expect.

> There also were hygienic and fire safety concerns.

That makes sense.

> However, the Association of Berlin-Brandenburg Housing
> Companies said that they found /less/ residual waste from
> houses with garbage chutes than on average. Overall, this
> issue was contentious. Newer chutes eliminated some of the
> problems of older chutes.

Maybe newer ones have several adjacent chutes for different waste
streams?



--
If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take
a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind,
here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and
meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.
--Gene Roddenberry

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-21, Quinn C wrote:

> * Adam Funk:
>
>> On 2021-06-18, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>>> "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
>>>
>>> The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
>>> garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
>>> plants must be dismantled.
>>
>> I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
>> recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?
>
> I associate them with cockroaches - the only time I heard of a building
> being shut down for cockroach infestation in Germany, it started in the
> garbage chutes, which therefore were going to be shut down. 1990s.
>
> But that doesn't qualify as "environmental grounds".

Pest problems fall under "environmental health" in British jargon, but
I wouldn't assume things would line up similarly in German.


--
To live without killing is a thought which could electrify the world,
if men were only capable of staying awake long enough to let the idea
soak in. ---Henry Miller

[Lewis]

That's what the garbage disposal is for.

--
Blatant mistakes are the best kind. - John W Baxter