Re: rehabilitated words

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-03-10, Peter Moylan wrote:

> For now I can't see any way to rehabilitate "slut" -- has it ever had a
> respectable meaning? -- but for me the primary meaning of "faggot"
> continues to be the "bundle of sticks" meaning. Certainly I've heard the
> word applied to a homosexual male, but it hasn't stuck in the way that
> words like "poofter" have stuck.

Just spotted this brains-pork-faggots confluence:

http://ow.ly/i/vHGR


--
When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him
whose? --- Don Marquis

[Nicko]

On Mar 15, 1:56 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-03-10, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> > For now I can't see any way to rehabilitate "slut" -- has it ever had a
> > respectable meaning? -- but for me the primary meaning of "faggot"
> > continues to be the "bundle of sticks" meaning. Certainly I've heard the
> > word applied to a homosexual male, but it hasn't stuck in the way that
> > words like "poofter" have stuck.
>
> Just spotted this brains-pork-faggots confluence:
>
> http://ow.ly/i/vHGR

The Scottish version is called Haggis Fags.

[bar...@bookpro.com]

Surely--surely--there must be a band by that name somewhere.

BW

[R H Draney]

bar...@bookpro.com filted:

Not yet, perhaps, but give it time...Google gives "about 74 results" for the
phrase, many of them repostings of a sentence containing the excerpt:

"meat (annoying if you are vegetarian), and 5% believe that traditional British
dishes as haggis, fags, cake Game content and oxtail meat all."

Others seem to have it as a derogatory reference to some group of people I can't
quite identify....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Adam Funk]

doing a cover of "Smokin'"


--
Nam Sibbyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla
pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: beable beable beable; respondebat
illa: doidy doidy doidy. [plorkwort]

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-03-18, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Mar 17, 11:47 pm, António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:

>> This isn't being sent to sic.physics, is it?
>
> Is that a typo for soc.physics, which, on the basis of the occasional
> soc.* posting that slips in here, would be a place where physicists
> try to viciously attack, and to defend their discipline against, say,
> chemists?

That would be sci.physics.advocacy; sic.physics is for discussing
typos in physics books.


--
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.
[Ambrose Bierce]

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-03-23, R H Draney wrote:

> I remember the first "Earth Day" in 1970 because I ruined a pair of good shoes
> with mud on the cleanup detail I was assigned to with no advance warning....r

Hmm, what proportion of earth does mud have to contain, and what does
it become if you add too much water?


--
Anything invented before your 15th birthday is the order of nature.
Anything invented between your 15th and 35th birthday is new and
exciting. Anything invented after that day, however, is against
nature and should be prohibited. [Douglas Adams]

[R H Draney]

Adam Funk filted:

>
>On 2012-03-23, R H Draney wrote:
>
>>I remember the first "Earth Day" in 1970 because I ruined a pair of good shoes
>> with mud on the cleanup detail I was assigned to with no advance warning....r
>
>Hmm, what proportion of earth does mud have to contain, and what does
>it become if you add too much water?

This was on the outskirts of Seattle, where the phrase "too much water" is
considered nonsensical....r

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-03-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Mar 17, 1:58 am, "pauljk" <paul.kr...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

>> Every single time you post, it is completely under your control which
>> group, or groups, your message goes to.
>>
>> :-)
>
> It would be very rude to post a reply to a group where the replyee
> wouldn't see it!

Noted.


--
But the government always tries to coax well-known writers into the
Establishment; it makes them feel educated. [Robert Graves]

[António Marques]

Adam Funk wrote (27-03-2012 19:01):
> On 2012-03-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> On Mar 17, 1:58 am, "pauljk"<paul.kr...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>> Every single time you post, it is completely under your control which
>>> group, or groups, your message goes to.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> It would be very rude to post a reply to a group where the replyee
>> wouldn't see it!
>
> Noted.

For every X such that X is rude, X is only rude if it's unwarranted.

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Can the Funkster

How mature --- your teachers must be so proud of you!


> come up with any legitimate reason whatsoever for
> that "another short" thread (a) to have been crossposted to sci.lang
> in the first place, or (b) for its continued crossposting hither?

Just pointing out your ongoing inconsistency.


--
...the reason why so many professional artists drink a lot is not
necessarily very much to do with the artistic temperament, etc. It is
simply that they can afford to, because they can normally take a large
part of a day off to deal with the ravages. [Amis _On Drink_]

[António Marques]

Adam Funk wrote (17-05-2012 14:22):
> On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

Look... 17-05-2012 minus 2012-03-27 is beyond the acceptable for a reply
that has nothing especially remarkable about it.

[Peter T. Daniels]

I've repeatedly noted that I don't reply to the Funkster's two-month-
old rejoinders.

[David DeLaney]

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't invert that operation right now."

Dave, convert it to shillings and pence, then export to Laputa
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 17, 9:52 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> B?QW50w7NuaW8gTWFycXVlcw==?= <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
> >Adam Funk wrote (17-05-2012 14:22):
> >> On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >Look... 17-05-2012 minus 2012-03-27 is beyond the acceptable for a reply
> >that has nothing especially remarkable about it.
>
> "I'm sorry Dave, I can't invert that operation right now."
>
> Dave, convert it to shillings and pence, then export to Laputa

Oh, jeez, I failed to notice that I'd been shanghaied into the
kibblers again.

[Dr. HotSalt]

On May 17, 8:43 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 17, 9:52 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>
> > B?QW50w7NuaW8gTWFycXVlcw==?= <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
> > >Adam Funk wrote (17-05-2012 14:22):
> > >> On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > >Look... 17-05-2012 minus 2012-03-27 is beyond the acceptable for a reply
> > >that has nothing especially remarkable about it.
>
> > "I'm sorry Dave, I can't invert that operation right now."
>
> > Dave, convert it to shillings and pence, then export to Laputa

We could nest obscure references all day but who would hatch them?

Can one say "Diagrams of recursive sentences have loops which have
loops which have loops which have..." in languages other than English,
as succinctly as in English?

> Oh, jeez, I failed to notice that I'd been shanghaied into the
> kibblers again.

Seems ambiguous; did you fail to notice that you'd been shanghaied,
or that it exposed you inner "kibbler" (sic), or that neither of the
foregoing was a first?


Dr. Hot"vertently yours"Salt

[bar...@bookpro.com]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:20 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Oh, jeez, I failed to notice that I'd been shanghaied into the
>kibblers again.

Well, there's a first: PTD admits to doing something stupid.

BW

[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 18, 8:38 am, barb...@bookpro.com wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:20 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>

> <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Oh, jeez, I failed to notice that I'd been shanghaied into the
> >kibblers again.
>
> Well, there's a first: PTD admits to doing something stupid.

No, notices that The Funkster did something offensive once again.

[David DeLaney]

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

Someday... someday you will realize that what your fingers are about to
vocalize has Great Comic Potential, and you will stop yourself in time.

Current betting pool has the over-under at 12 years.

Dave

[Adam Funk]

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>> "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> > António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>> >> benli...@ihug.co.nz wrote:

>> >>> You seem to misunderstand. His entire point (right or wrong) is that the
>> >>> absence of this feature in Piraha shows that those who claim it as a
>> >>> "fundamental property of human language" are mistaken. Everett's position
>> >>> makes sense only on the assumption that the Piraha _are_ human and their
>> >>> language is a human language.
>>
>> >> Given that no other known languages exhibits such absence AND that such
>> >> absence severly conditions the use you can put the language to, the two
>> >> issues cannot be decoupled.
>>
>> > Who's suggesting "decoupling" them, whatever that means? I'm just
>> > pointing out that Peter misrepresents Everett's position.
>>
>> (NB when A claims X about B, then D are free to say that claim makes B into
>> K as long as X is generally considered a trait of K, even if what A is
>> trying to say is that X isn't a trait of K. What weighs is not B's category
>> nor A's understanding, but the degree to which it is generally considered
>> whether X implies K. In some cases it may be a surmountable degree, but not
>> in all.)
>
> Did you ask yourself why the Funkster didn't mock Nathan's "exotic"
> and "have no past tense"?

Huh? What does that have to do with anything?


--
No right of private conversation was enumerated in the Constitution.
I don't suppose it occurred to anyone at the time that it could be
prevented. [Whitfield Diffie]

[bar...@bookpro.com]

So you think that failing to notice was a smart thing to do. Okay, I
wouldn't have thought you would consider it so, but I stand corrected.

BW

[bar...@bookpro.com]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 15:32:17 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>> Ant�nio Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>> "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

>>> > Ant�nio Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>>> >> benli...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>
>>> >>> You seem to misunderstand. His entire point (right or wrong) is that the
>>> >>> absence of this feature in Piraha shows that those who claim it as a
>>> >>> "fundamental property of human language" are mistaken. Everett's position
>>> >>> makes sense only on the assumption that the Piraha _are_ human and their
>>> >>> language is a human language.
>>>
>>> >> Given that no other known languages exhibits such absence AND that such
>>> >> absence severly conditions the use you can put the language to, the two
>>> >> issues cannot be decoupled.
>>>
>>> > Who's suggesting "decoupling" them, whatever that means? I'm just
>>> > pointing out that Peter misrepresents Everett's position.
>>>
>>> (NB when A claims X about B, then D are free to say that claim makes B into
>>> K as long as X is generally considered a trait of K, even if what A is
>>> trying to say is that X isn't a trait of K. What weighs is not B's category
>>> nor A's understanding, but the degree to which it is generally considered
>>> whether X implies K. In some cases it may be a surmountable degree, but not
>>> in all.)
>>
>> Did you ask yourself why the Funkster didn't mock Nathan's "exotic"
>> and "have no past tense"?
>
>Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

No matter. I did ask myself why and was completely satisfied with my
answer.

BW

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On May 17, 9:37 am, António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>> Adam Funk wrote (17-05-2012 14:22):
>>
>> > On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Look... 17-05-2012 minus 2012-03-27 is beyond the acceptable for a reply
>> that has nothing especially remarkable about it.

Google *frequently* piles up its users posts and burps them onto the
USENET with a delay. Why don't you complain about that?

> I've repeatedly noted that I don't reply to the Funkster's two-month-
> old rejoinders.

But you'll reply to a re-rejoinder.

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-21, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On May 21, 10:29 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-05-17, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > On May 17, 9:37 am, António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt> wrote:
>> >> Adam Funk wrote (17-05-2012 14:22):
>>
>> >> > On 2012-03-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> >> Look... 17-05-2012 minus 2012-03-27 is beyond the acceptable for a reply
>> >> that has nothing especially remarkable about it.
>>
>> Google *frequently* piles up its users posts and burps them onto the
>> USENET with a delay.  Why don't you complain about that?
>

> Define "*frequently*."
>
> Define "delay."
>
> Someone at rec.puzzles.crosswords about two weeks ago blamed a two-day
> absence of postings from all but the google-users on google, but that
> seems unlikely.

How would you be able to tell?

>> > I've repeatedly noted that I don't reply to the Funkster's two-month-
>> > old rejoinders.
>>
>> But you'll reply to a re-rejoinder.
>

> In a timely fashion, of course.

Define "timely".


--
Classical Greek lent itself to the promulgation of a rich culture,
indeed, to Western civilization. Computer languages bring us
doorbells that chime with thirty-two tunes, alt.sex.bestiality, and
Tetris clones. (Stoll 1995)

[Adam Funk]

The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.
And a hypocrite.

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-23, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:

> On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> There's a simpler test. Was _any_ non-Google user cut off from the
>> discussions while the Google server was down?
>
> You've missed my point. If Google normally sent posts *only* to
> Giganews to be distributed to the rest of Usenet, then it could have
> been the Giganews server that was down.
>
> Now that we know Google also sends posts directly to (at least)
> Individual.net, we can conclude that it's more likely the outage was at
> Google's end.


You've missed PTD's point: the entire USERNET revolves around him.

[António Marques]

Adam Funk wrote (28-05-2012 12:48):
> On 2012-05-23, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> There's a simpler test. Was _any_ non-Google user cut off from the
>>> discussions while the Google server was down?
>>
>> You've missed my point. If Google normally sent posts *only* to
>> Giganews to be distributed to the rest of Usenet, then it could have
>> been the Giganews server that was down.
>>
>> Now that we know Google also sends posts directly to (at least)
>> Individual.net, we can conclude that it's more likely the outage was at
>> Google's end.
>
>
> You've missed PTD's point: the entire USERNET revolves around him.

Could it be that, in your desire to say something about PTD, you read 'Peter
Moylan' as 'PTD'?

[Dr. HotSalt]

On May 28, 4:48 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2012-05-18, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > On May 18, 8:38 am, barb...@bookpro.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:20 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>
> >> <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >Oh, jeez, I failed to notice that I'd been shanghaied into the
> >> >kibblers again.
>
> >> Well, there's a first: PTD admits to doing something stupid.
>
> > No, notices that The Funkster did something offensive once again.
>
> The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.

Well, yes. But it's OK because you can't insult something with no
redeeming features, you see.

> And a hypocrite.

Nah, he just doesn't understand the concept of vertency.


Dr. HotSalt

[Adam Funk]

No, I specifically wrote 'PTD' rather than 'Peter' because I didn't
want Peter Moylan to think I meant him.


--
Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results,
but that's not why we do it. [Richard Feynman]

[António Marques]

Adam Funk wrote (29-05-2012 12:54):
> On 2012-05-28, António Marques wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk wrote (28-05-2012 12:48):
>>> On 2012-05-23, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>> There's a simpler test. Was _any_ non-Google user cut off from the
>>>>> discussions while the Google server was down?
>>>>
>>>> You've missed my point. If Google normally sent posts *only* to
>>>> Giganews to be distributed to the rest of Usenet, then it could have
>>>> been the Giganews server that was down.
>>>>
>>>> Now that we know Google also sends posts directly to (at least)
>>>> Individual.net, we can conclude that it's more likely the outage was at
>>>> Google's end.
>>>
>>>
>>> You've missed PTD's point: the entire USERNET revolves around him.
>>
>> Could it be that, in your desire to say something about PTD, you read 'Peter
>> Moylan' as 'PTD'?
>
>
> No, I specifically wrote 'PTD' rather than 'Peter' because I didn't
> want Peter Moylan to think I meant him.

So your remark had no connection at all to anything?

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-28, Jared wrote:

> On 5/28/2012 8:17 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>> On May 28, 7:48 am, Adam Funk<a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.
>>> And a hypocrite.
>>

>> Why wouldn't someone with a "kibology" fantasy not be called a kibbler?
>
> What's a kibology fantasy? I thought kibology was the study and/or
> worship of Kibo.


You're dealing with someone who probably thinks tribology is connected
with Star Trek.


--
Bob just used 'canonical' in the canonical way. [Guy Steele]

[Peter Moylan]

Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-05-28, António Marques wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk wrote (28-05-2012 12:48):
>>> On 2012-05-23, Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>> There's a simpler test. Was _any_ non-Google user cut off from the
>>>>> discussions while the Google server was down?
>>>> You've missed my point. If Google normally sent posts *only* to
>>>> Giganews to be distributed to the rest of Usenet, then it could have
>>>> been the Giganews server that was down.
>>>>
>>>> Now that we know Google also sends posts directly to (at least)
>>>> Individual.net, we can conclude that it's more likely the outage was at
>>>> Google's end.
>>>
>>> You've missed PTD's point: the entire USERNET revolves around him.
>> Could it be that, in your desire to say something about PTD, you read 'Peter
>> Moylan' as 'PTD'?
>
>
> No, I specifically wrote 'PTD' rather than 'Peter' because I didn't
> want Peter Moylan to think I meant him.
>
>

That's a huge relief. I've been wondering whether I should change my name.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

[Peter Moylan]

Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2012-05-28, Jared wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2012 8:17 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On May 28, 7:48 am, Adam Funk<a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.
>>>> And a hypocrite.
>>> Why wouldn't someone with a "kibology" fantasy not be called a kibbler?
>> What's a kibology fantasy? I thought kibology was the study and/or
>> worship of Kibo.
>
> You're dealing with someone who probably thinks tribology is connected
> with Star Trek.

That's ridiculous. Everyone knows it's the study of tribes.

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-30, Peter Moylan wrote:

> Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2012-05-28, Jared wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2012 8:17 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 7:48 am, Adam Funk<a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.
>>>>> And a hypocrite.
>>>> Why wouldn't someone with a "kibology" fantasy not be called a kibbler?
>>> What's a kibology fantasy? I thought kibology was the study and/or
>>> worship of Kibo.
>>
>> You're dealing with someone who probably thinks tribology is connected
>> with Star Trek.
>
> That's ridiculous. Everyone knows it's the study of tribes.

Yes, with or without tattoos.


--
English has perfect phonetic spelling. It just doesn't have phonetic
pronunciation. [Peter Moylan]

[Peter Brooks]

On May 30, 11:08 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2012-05-30, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Adam Funk wrote:
> >> On 2012-05-28, Jared wrote:
>
> >>> On 5/28/2012 8:17 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> On May 28, 7:48 am, Adam Funk<a24...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> The man who keeps saying "kibblers" is the deliberately offensive one.
> >>>>> And a hypocrite.
> >>>> Why wouldn't someone with a "kibology" fantasy not be called a kibbler?
> >>> What's a kibology fantasy? I thought kibology was the study and/or
> >>> worship of Kibo.
>
> >> You're dealing with someone who probably thinks tribology is connected
> >> with Star Trek.
>
> > That's ridiculous. Everyone knows it's the study of tribes.
>
> Yes, with or without tattoos.
>

Not all scotch tribal tattoos are indelible, the Edinburgh washes out
with rohypnol.

[Adam Funk]

Further up, PTD was taking his usual "I can post, so there's nothing
wrong" line.


--
And remember, while you're out there risking your life and limb
through shot and shell, we'll be in be in here thinking what a
sucker you are. [Rufus T. Firefly]

[António Marques]

Adam Funk wrote (06-06-2012 13:05):
> On 2012-05-29, António Marques wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk wrote (29-05-2012 12:54):
>>> On 2012-05-28, António Marques wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam Funk wrote (28-05-2012 12:48):
>
>>>>> You've missed PTD's point: the entire USERNET revolves around
>>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>> Could it be that, in your desire to say something about PTD, you
>>>> read 'Peter Moylan' as 'PTD'?
>>>
>>> No, I specifically wrote 'PTD' rather than 'Peter' because I didn't
>>> want Peter Moylan to think I meant him.
>>
>> So your remark had no connection at all to anything?
>
> Further up, PTD was taking his usual "I can post, so there's nothing
> wrong" line.

My recollection of this discussion disagrees with you.
(Nor do I agree that that's a 'usual line of PTD's', but that's a separate
matter.)

[Adam Funk]

On 2012-05-29, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> He has formed some preconceptions in his own mind and acts on them
> irrationally.


That's hilarious coming from you. I guess you're still reeling from
the cognitive dissonance of that Caslon specimen with wide
intersentence spacing.


--
Civilization is a race between catastrophe and education.
[H G Wells]

[bar...@bookpro.com]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:09:31 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>On 2012-05-29, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> He has formed some preconceptions in his own mind and acts on them
>> irrationally.
>
>
>That's hilarious coming from you.

Yes, given the preconceptions he has formed (in his own mind, of
course, because he can't form preconceptions in anyone else's mind) of
"kibblers" and how he acts on them irrationally.

BW

[Mark Edwards]

No cluons were harmed when Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> That's hilarious coming from you. I guess you're still reeling from
> the cognitive dissonance of that Caslon specimen with wide
> intersentence spacing.

I'm still reeling from the concept of interspecies sentencing.

--
Proof of sanity forged upon request