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John F. Winston

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Mar 17, 2001, 9:35:29 AM3/17/01
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Subject: Foot In Mouth Disease. Mar. 16, 2001.

Some people may say that I have foot-in-the-mouth disease but that
is just disinformation. For the last 10 or more years I have been
a card-carrying. died in the wool, vegetarian. Before that I was
a road-kill artist. If you don't know what that is then please
don't ask. The following information is from a person who doesn't
think it is a good idea to eat meat. This information is pretty
gross so if you plan to eat meat in the future you might be advised
to not read the following. I do eat fish. Let's now see what he has
to say.

.....................................................................
.....................................................................

From: Y
Subject: Mad Cowboy
http://www.madcowboy.com/
excerpt (first 3 pages)
MAD COWBOY

Plain Truth From the Cattlerancher Who Won't Eat Meat by HOWARD LYMAN
with Glen Merzer

I am a fourth-generation dairy farmer and cattle rancher. I grew up
on a dairy farm in Montana, & I ran a feed lot operation there for
20 years. I know firsthand how cattle are raised and how meat is
produced in this country.
Today I am president of EarthSave International, an organization that
promotes plant-based eating.
Sure, I used to enjoy my steaks as much as the next guy. But if
you knew what I know about what goes into them and what they can do
to you, you'd probably be a vegetarian like me. And believe it or not,
as a pure vegetarian now who consumes no animal products at all, I can
tell you that these days I enjoy eating more than ever. If you're a
meat-eater in America, you have a right to know that you have something
in common with most of the cows you've eaten. They've eaten meat, too.
When a cow is slaughtered, about half of it by weight is not eaten by
humans: the intestines and their contents, the head, hooves, and horns,
as well as bones and blood. These are dumped into giant grinders at
rendering plants, as are the entire bodies of cows and other farm
animals known to be diseased. Rendering is a $2.4 billion-a-year
industry, processing forty billion pounds of dead animals a year. There
is simply no such thing in America as an animal too ravaged by disease,
too ca-cerous, or too putrid to be welcomed by the embracing arms of
the renderer. Another staple of the renderer's diet, in addition to farm
animals, is euthanized pets - the six or seven million dogs and cats
that are killed in animal shelters every year. The city of Los Angeles
alone, for example, sends some two hundred tons of euthanized cats and
dogs to a rendering plant every month. Added to the blend are the
euthanized catch of animal control agencies, and roadkill. (Roadkill is
not collected daily, and in the summer, the better roadkill collection
crews can generally smell it before they can see it.) When the gruesome
mix is ground and steam-cooked, the lighter, fatty material floating to
the top gets refined for use in such products as cosmetics, lubricants,
soaps, candles, and waxes. The heavier protein material is dried and
pulverized into a brown powder - about a quarter of which consists of
fecal material. The powder is used as an additive to almost all pet food
as well as to livestock feed. Farmers call it "protein concentrates." In
1995, five million tons of processed slaughterhouse leftovers were sold
for animal feed in the United States. I used to feed tons of the stuff
to my own livestock. It never concerned me that I was feeding cattle to
cattle.
In August 1997, in response to growing concern about the spread of
bovine spongiform encephalopathy (or Mad Cow disease), the F-A issued a
new regulation that bans the feeding of ruminant protein (protein from
cud-chewing animals) to ruminants; therefore, to the extent that the
regulation is actually enforced, cattle are no longer quite the
cannibals that we had made them into. They are no longer eating solid
parts of other cattle, or sheep, or goats. They still munch, however, on
ground-up dead horses, dogs, cats, pigs, chickens, and turkeys, as well
as bl-od and fecal matter of their own species and that of chickens.
About 75 percent of the ninety million beef cattle in America are
routinely given feed that has been "enriched" with rendered animal
parts. The use of animal excrement in feed is common as well, as
livestock operators have found it to be an efficient way of disposing of
a portion of the 1.6 million tons of livestock wastes generated annually
by their industry. In Arkansas, for example, the average farm feeds over
fifty tons of chicken litter to cattle every year. One Arkansas cattle
farmer was quoted in U.S. News & World Report as having recently
purchased 745 tons of litter collected from the floors of local
chicken-raising operations. After mixing it with small amounts of
soybean bran, he then feeds it to his eight hundred head of cattle,
making them, in his words, "fat as butterballs." He explained, "If I
didn't have chicken litter, I'd have to sell half my heard. Other feeds
are too expensive." If you are a meat-eater, understand that this is the
food of your food.
We don't know all there is to know about the extent to which the
consumption of diseased or unhealthy animals causes diseases in humans,
but we do know that some diseases - rabies, for example - are
transmitted from the host animal to humans. We know that the common food
poisonings brought on by such organisms as the prevalent E. Coli
bacteria, which results from fecal contamination of food, causes the
death of nine thousand Americans a year and that about 80 percent of
food poisonings come from tainted meat. And now we can also be virtually
certain, from the tragedy that has already afflicted Britain, that Mad
Cow disease can "jump species" and give rise to a new variant of the
always fatal, brain-wasting Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. For all
too many humans, the first decision they consciously make about their
health is the stark one between by-pass surgery and angioplasty, or
between chemotherapy and radiation. In reality, however, we knowingly
make choices every day that can either lead us toward these grim
options, or else toward happier ones. We do so, of course, every time we
decide what fuel to put in our bodies.
To make our choices informed ones, we have to start with the facts.
Scribner Publishing, June '98; 2nd printing Feb '00. Available at some
Barnes & Noble, Borders & Whole Foods stores, or buy the book on this
site. For autographed copies send $-0 plus $- postage to: Voice for a
Viable Future, 11288 Ventura Blvd., #202A, Studio City, CA 91604.
818-509-1255
For over 200 hundred years, our country's legal systems have refused
to recognize "product libel." People can maliciously libel a human
being and be required to pay damages; but not inanimate products such as
Corvairs, Pinto fuel tanks, asbestos, the Dalkon Shield, fruits,
vegetables and meat products. Robust debate and criticism have turned
surmises and suspicions and anathemas into discoveries or recognition of
facts and truths. One has only to look back at our history and see
how the dissenters of the past -- criticizing tobacco, coal dust,
useless over-the-counter drugs and a variety of health-damaging food
additives and pesticides -- have been proven right again and again. Now,
it seems, corporations want to do what King George III, foreign
dictators and bad domestic political bosses were unable to do -- shut up
the American people. The realistic objective of the frivolous
"veggie-libel" statutes and lawsuits is not money; it is to send a
chilling message to millions of people that they better keep their
opinions to themselves.
---Ralph Nader 4/29/98
http://www.madcowboy.com/
Of One Heart

JW They don't call them slaughter houses for nothing.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com


David Pacheco

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Mar 17, 2001, 2:05:39 PM3/17/01
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In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.1010317063041.13656A-
100...@shell.mlode.com>, john...@mlode.com said, quoting
someone else:
[snip yucky details on animal rendering]

> When the gruesome
> mix is ground and steam-cooked, the lighter, fatty material floating to
> the top gets refined for use in such products as cosmetics, lubricants,
> soaps, candles, and waxes.

Yeesh, forget vegetarianism... I'm never BATHING again!

Hmmm... cosmetics, lubricants, soaps, candles and waxes... guess
I'm never having sex again either.

> The heavier protein material is dried and
> pulverized into a brown powder - about a quarter of which consists of
> fecal material.

Hopefully not the quarter that eats.

> The powder is used as an additive to almost all pet food
> as well as to livestock feed. Farmers call it "protein concentrates."

Advertisers call it "Dehydrated McSlurry". Or "Bovein".

Or "Tang".

> In
> 1995, five million tons of processed slaughterhouse leftovers were sold
> for animal feed in the United States. I used to feed tons of the stuff
> to my own livestock. It never concerned me that I was feeding cattle to
> cattle.

Until that fateful night when the cows' taste for flesh became
greater than my ability to provide for them. And that was the
night I met Ed Gein.

> In August 1997, in response to growing concern about the spread of
> bovine spongiform encephalopathy (or Mad Cow disease), the F-A issued a
> new regulation that bans the feeding of ruminant protein (protein from
> cud-chewing animals) to ruminants; therefore, to the extent that the
> regulation is actually enforced, cattle are no longer quite the
> cannibals that we had made them into.

Now they are only the cannibals that they were before. Talk to
any cattle rancher who has lost a finger or a bite-sized chunk of
leg.

> They are no longer eating solid
> parts of other cattle, or sheep, or goats. They still munch, however, on
> ground-up dead horses, dogs, cats, pigs, chickens, and turkeys, as well
> as bl-od and fecal matter of their own species and that of chickens.

So cows eat hot dogs too?

Cows have the boold of dead animals in their teeth. One theory
is that is why I rarely kiss cows.

> About 75 percent of the ninety million beef cattle in America are
> routinely given feed that has been "enriched" with rendered animal
> parts.

[ Insert joke misinterpreting the the intended meaning of the
word "rendered" as referring to a computer graphics program. ]

HAW HAW GROUND-UP COOTER!

> The use of animal excrement in feed is common as well, as

millions of people who visit the NBC cafteria find out, where

> livestock operators have found it to be an efficient way of disposing of

viewers who watch CBS. Bill Gates' groups donate to charity

> a portion of the 1.6 million tons of livestock wastes generated annually

by Microsoft PowerPoint. A population of idiots is impressed

> by their industry. In Arkansas, for example, the average farm feeds over
> fifty tons of chicken litter to cattle every year. One Arkansas cattle

representative said "Moo!" in surprise when a

> farmer was quoted in U.S. News & World Report as having recently

tipped 14 cows over as retribution for having

> purchased 745 tons of litter collected from the floors of local

Denny's. Having completed their barns, the Amish turned to

> chicken-raising operations. After mixing it with small amounts of

superstition and fear, a new religion was formed based on

> soybean bran, he then feeds it to his eight hundred head of cattle,

(as he commonly refers to his wife's extended family),

> making them, in his words, "fat as butterballs." He explained, "If I

could while away the hours, conferring with the flowers, if I

> didn't have chicken litter, I'd have to sell half my heard. Other feeds

don't get the Spice Channel, and on Cox Cable HBO and Cinemax

> are too expensive." If you are a meat-eater, understand that this is the
> food of your food.

Blood of my blood, flesh of my flesh. Christians are GOD-EATERS!

What Would Jesus Eat?

[snip book sales pitch]


> For over 200 hundred years, our country's legal systems have refused
> to recognize "product libel."

Good Lord! 200 HUNDRED years! So this was a legal precedent set
by what, Neanderthals?

"Og say fire broken. Nug tell untrue about fire! Fire burn!
Fire not cure ache of head! Fire not cure Og's erectile
dysfunction!"

> People can maliciously libel a human
> being and be required to pay damages; but not inanimate products such as
> Corvairs, Pinto fuel tanks, asbestos, the Dalkon Shield, fruits,
> vegetables and meat products.

And fire! Don't forget fire! Fire started it all!

There's nothing more dangerous in this world than a woman driving
a Corvair and wearing a Dalkon Shield that's on fire. Especially
if that woman is a clown.

-dp.
In bed.

Beable van Polasm

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Mar 17, 2001, 4:35:43 PM3/17/01
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"John F. Winston" <john...@mlode.com> writes:
> Subject: Foot In Mouth Disease. Mar. 16, 2001.
>
> Some people may say that I have foot-in-the-mouth disease but that
> is just disinformation. For the last 10 or more years I have been
> a card-carrying. died in the wool, vegetarian.

"DIED IN THE WOOL"!!

> Before that I was a road-kill artist. If you don't know what that
> is then please don't ask.

GIF! GIF! What is that John? Did you paint pictures of dead animals?

> I do eat fish.

FISH IS A VEGETABLE! Hey you don't want to know what fish eat.
Never go into a pet shop. What you see MAY DISTURB YOU!

> In Arkansas, for example, the average farm feeds over fifty tons of
> chicken litter to cattle every year. One Arkansas cattle farmer was
> quoted in U.S. News & World Report as having recently purchased 745
> tons of litter collected from the floors of local chicken-raising
> operations. After mixing it with small amounts of soybean bran, he
> then feeds it to his eight hundred head of cattle, making them, in
> his words, "fat as butterballs." He explained, "If I didn't have
> chicken litter, I'd have to sell half my heard. Other feeds are too
> expensive." If you are a meat-eater, understand that this is the
> food of your food.

And if you eat vegetables with that steak, you should know that lots
of PLANTS eat "chicken litter" too. There's no way around it, one
way or another you're going to end up eating chicken litter. Mmmmmmm
LITTERY!

cheers
Beable van Polasm
--
We're not ATTACKING you, -- Red
we're KISSING you with our FISTS. -- Karlo
IQC 78189333
http://members.nbci.com/_______/index.html

Chrid

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Mar 17, 2001, 5:24:34 PM3/17/01
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:35:43 GMT, Beable van Polasm
<bea...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>And if you eat vegetables with that steak, you should know that lots
>of PLANTS eat "chicken litter" too. There's no way around it, one
>way or another you're going to end up eating chicken litter. Mmmmmmm
>LITTERY!
>
>cheers
>Beable van Polasm
>--
> We're not ATTACKING you, -- Red
> we're KISSING you with our FISTS. -- Karlo
> IQC 78189333
> http://members.nbci.com/_______/index.html


It's true!! Most food is the result of the metabolism of SHIT
somewhere along the way. I say YAY!! SHIT!! I am very grateful for
any organism that can change POOP into FOOD.

HEY!! HERE IS MY CHALLENGE!! Can you change POOP into FOOD? Fill in
the missing letters!!

POOP
----
----
FOOD

If you can do this, you are at least as clever as bacteria!!!!

By the way, I shall not mention where I came out of when I was born.
Suffice to say, it was really icky. If you know about how babies are
made, you wouldn't ever be bornded, beleive me. It's just toooooo
icky.

Chrid

Mark Hill

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Mar 17, 2001, 6:19:17 PM3/17/01
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chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk (Chrid) writes:
> POOP
> ----
> ----
> FOOD


POOP
LOOP
FOOP
FOOD

naah.


POOP
OOOP
OOOD
FOOD

naah

POOP
POOF
FOOF
FOOD

naah.

POOP
PROP
PLOP
FOOD

naah.

Those aminals who turn POOP into FOOD are smarter than they look!

Jonathan Matthew

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Mar 17, 2001, 6:48:08 PM3/17/01
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chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk (Chrid) wrote in
<3ab3e27a...@news.ntlworld.com>:

>It's true!! Most food is the result of the metabolism of SHIT
>somewhere along the way. I say YAY!! SHIT!! I am very grateful for
>any organism that can change POOP into FOOD.
>
>HEY!! HERE IS MY CHALLENGE!! Can you change POOP into FOOD? Fill in
>the missing letters!!
>
>POOP

PROP
PREP (/usr/dict/words says it's a word)
GREP (it has to be)
GRIP
GRID
GRAD
GOAD
GOOD


>FOOD
>
>If you can do this, you are at least as clever as bacteria!!!!

HOORAY!! Now I can throw away this bulky university degree, my
academic record, and these annoying certificates of achievement,
and use this as proof that I AM AT LEAST AS CLEVER AS BACTERIA!

but can bacteria turn it from food back into poop?

satchi

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Mar 17, 2001, 9:31:13 PM3/17/01
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Stick it in an ebola with some milk...that should work.

Satchi
http://www.bombhumor.com

revjack

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Mar 17, 2001, 7:04:46 PM3/17/01
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Chrid <chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk> wrote:

: HEY!! HERE IS MY CHALLENGE!! Can you change POOP into FOOD? Fill in
: the missing letters!!

: POOP
: ----
: ----
: FOOD

POOP
LOOP
LOAD
FOAD
FOOD


--
___________________
rev...@revjack.net

brent jackson

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Mar 17, 2001, 8:26:59 PM3/17/01
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In article <3ab3e27a...@news.ntlworld.com>,

Chrid <chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk> wrote:
>It's true!! Most food is the result of the metabolism of SHIT
>somewhere along the way. I say YAY!! SHIT!! I am very grateful for
>any organism that can change POOP into FOOD.
>
>HEY!! HERE IS MY CHALLENGE!! Can you change POOP into FOOD? Fill in
>the missing letters!!
>
>POOP
>----
>----
>FOOD
>
>If you can do this, you are at least as clever as bacteria!!!!

poop
hoop
hood
food

too easy. you could also stick poot's foot in between the poop and the food,
but he might not appreciate that. your party guests definitely won't.

anyway, here's a better one:

tale
----
----
----
----
----
----
----
----
spaf

-brent
kibo, kilo, kill, fill, full, furl, furr

gorski

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Mar 18, 2001, 12:41:44 AM3/18/01
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Mark Hill <mh...@epicentre.net> spake:

}chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk (Chrid) writes:
}> POOP
}> ----
}> ----
}> FOOD
{snip}

}
}POOP
}POOF
}FOOF
}FOOD
}
}naah.

...almost, but the next to last one's really spelled F00F.
HTH, HAND.

}POOP
}PROP
}PLOP
}FOOD

...much better.

--me

David DeLaney

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Mar 18, 2001, 3:11:56 AM3/18/01
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Beable van Polasm <bea...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>"John F. Winston" <john...@mlode.com> writes:
>> I do eat fish.
>
>FISH IS A VEGETABLE!

Yeah, yeah, and cows are a dairy product, we know.

>Hey you don't want to know what fish eat.

Or worse, what they drink.

>Never go into a pet shop. What you see MAY DISTURB YOU!

Oh, here in Amurrica they make sure the animals don't do that (or that)
where impressionable youngsters might see.

Dave "winning the litterally" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

Xcott Craver

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Mar 18, 2001, 8:09:10 AM3/18/01
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Beable van Polasm <bea...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>"John F. Winston" <john...@mlode.com> writes:
>
>> I do eat fish.
>
>FISH IS A VEGETABLE!

FISH IS MADE OUT OF *PEOPLE*!
-S

Chrid

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Mar 18, 2001, 3:27:11 PM3/18/01
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:26:59 GMT, br...@katie.vnet.net (brent jackson)
wrote:

Of course it was easy. I quote from my original post:


>>If you can do this, you are at least as clever as bacteria!!!!

Thus you are MORE CLEVERER than bacteria.
By the way, you cannot fool me. You are not 'brent jackson', you are
'brent spiner' a.k.a. LT CMDR DATA from STAR WARS!!! Thus you CHEAT
because you are a Robot.

HA!!

Chrid

Dean Lenort

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Mar 20, 2001, 8:34:30 AM3/20/01
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, br...@katie.vnet.net (brent jackson) beabled:

> In article <3ab3e27a...@news.ntlworld.com>,
> Chrid <chrid/removespamblock/@chridmeister.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >HEY!! HERE IS MY CHALLENGE!! Can you change POOP into FOOD? Fill in
> >the missing letters!!
> >
> >POOP
> >----
> >----
> >FOOD
>

> kibo, kilo, kill, fill, full, furl, furr

Sheesh, why bother to list the dwarves out at all if you're going to leave
out Thorin? I'll bet you sing out the "And the rest" version of the
opening credits of _Gilligan's Island_ too.

So now let's see if you can list out the Ainur. I'll get you started.

Manwich...
--
Dean Lenort dean....@att.net
European: 'American culture is all crap'
American: 'Why don't you come over here and say that and I'll KICK YOUR ASS'
- Tom Thornhill in alt.religion.kibology on cultural differences

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