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> Teresita is proven to have lied, claiming she called Foxe's Book of
> Martyrs "Foxe's Book of Heretics" because she was merely referring to
> the Albigenses of the Reformation.
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> Government harrassment
> http://www.angelfire.com/extreme/harassment/index.html
> WHAT DO THEY MEAN TO YOU? DO YOU CARE ABOUT THEM??
>
> Dear friends:
>
> Here we are again with an urgent appeal to you. Things have gotten so
> out of hand, that we wonder why even try. Viewing that the issues at
> hand involve much blood however, we have to ask again and try again.
> It is not a pleasant task, but we have to do it.
>
> As I and Brother Ted (Ted McMillan/TedM), Trevor Dixon and others have
> presented before, the very latest major episode that took place over
> the internet on the newsgroups was when Ted Seeber condemned whole
> races of people to persecution and death boldly. He was not jesting
> when he did this, and no sane person would excuse someone for even
> joking along these lines. I don't know if any of you people reading
> this thinks this is a joke. It is not! The man belongs to a very
> powerful organization that is considered very reputable in our time.
> He is in league with millions more who believe just as he does. We
> have been exposing such people, and, in this case with Ted Seeber,
> Brother McMillan exposed him in a most remarkable way. YES, A MAN HAS
> CONDEMNED WHOLE RACES OF PEOPLE TO PERSECUTION AND DEATH ON THE
> INTERNET! The problem however, doesn't just rest with this man. Many
> others believe the same way! Many others protected him and came out
> to defend him!
>
> Brother Ted M. (Ted McMillan) is a very remarkable individual. He is
> the editor of my posts and he acts like an advisor. He entered
> debates and saw much commotion, but he is witty enough to see through
> all the commotion and come up with the right answers. He also has an
> uncanny ability to be able to show answers to debates in simple terms
> so others can understand often using simple imagery. He encountered
> many strange individuals who encouraged confusion for the purpose of
> ultimately making their ideas dominate in every forum. When there was
> confusion, they prospered. Brother McMillan entered in and had the
> habit of clearing up all the confusion. He constantly asked people
> questions they couldn't afford to answer, for to answer would more
> than prove their ideas wrong AND WHO THEY ARE. Because of that, they
> hated him and did everything they could to take him out of the way and
> get rid of him. Here was the beginning of our adventure.
>
> A number of times these strange individuals made key errors and
> blunders in their posts. We are here to use those blunders and their
> behavior in a most powerful set of evidence showing things you need to
> know. We are not talking about great and difficult studies here to
> present to you. Neither are we talking about debateable events that
> no one can understand. This will be made simple... WE HOPE! These do
> have to be somewhat tailored even for the TV minded, although we found
> this difficult to accomplish indeed! We will also add documentation
> from contemporary and historical writers, showing you what is going
> on. We are showing you what's happening behind the scenes using what
> we feel is the most powerful way to reveal it: through actual
> dialogues with the people behind it. We are going to introduce to you
> the most heinous super-criminals in the world today! You think Osama
> Bin Laden is bad? He is a little school boy compared to these!
>
> Since the time Ted Seeber condemned whole races of people to
> persecution and death, the most amazing and deceitful people have
> approached Brother Ted to attack him and to falsify and cover up what
> he has exposed. This is not the first time such a thing has happened
> and the same amazing tactics were used where they constantly had the
> word HATE pointed at him. They swarmed upon him coming from all
> sides! They are determined that TedM drop the subject entirely of
> what Ted Seeber has done and posted on these newsgroups even though it
> involves such immense issues EVEN TO THE CONDEMNATION OF THEIR OWN
> LIVES. Most of those who responded and attacked Brother McMillan were
> some of the ones who were condemned by Ted Seeber! They have directly
> ORDERED Brother McMillan to drop it. TedM rightfully refuses to drop
> it. So most everybody else posting on these newsgroups have insulted,
> attacked and slandered TedM, constantly accusing him of hatred in
> order to reverse what he revealed. These people have become so bold
> that they now seem to see no limit to how they should show their true
> colors. They are demonstrating that they know something about you,
> your society, your government, YOUR FUTURE! for they post boldly on
> public forums with expectation of being watched! But realize one
> thing: it is not the intelligence of Brother Ted that they are
> insulting when they make outrageous statements on these newsgroups and
> reveal their true colors. They know that he can see right through
> their unscrupulous and super-terroristic souls. IT IS YOUR
> INTELLIGENCE THEY ARE INSULTING!
>
> Ted Seeber made a cataclysmic statement on November 5, 2001, and the
> issues surrounding his remarks, along with the reactions that came
> after them, ARE NOT TO BE IGNORED BY ANYONE WHO RESPECTS LIFE, LIMB,
> PROPERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Remember, we are in a climate
> where terrorism is a very big issue. We have revealed that Ted Seeber
> is the very worst kind of terrorist to be found on the planet today.
> We call him a super-terrorist, as we will show why in a moment.
>
> The very first circumstance we realized that took place was that for
> months and probably years, Ted Seeber has been openly and boldly
> speaking out against freedom and the Constitution of the United
> States. HE WAS BY FAR NOT THE ONLY ONE showing some form of animosity
> to that divinely created document. Others have done the same, though
> in more subtle ways. Ted Seeber was clearly more bold and careless
> till he really messed up and did something really cataclysmic!
> Cataclysmic enough for even himself to realize! He has been speaking
> out against the American Constitution, liberty, the rights to privacy,
> etc. for a long time boldly now. WELL BEFORE September 11, 2001! How
> could he accomplish such a thing for so long?
>
> IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS VIRTUALLY UNOPPOSED!!
>
> And who are all these people who were involved in these escapades?
> Who is Ted Seeber? THEY WERE ALL PROFESSING CHRISTIANS!! TED SEEBER
> HIMSELF IS CATHOLIC! While on the internet Ted Seeber was defending
> Catholicism. Why then was he condemning liberty and the American
> Constitution? ALL SUCH PEOPLE came in with the delusion that they
> were posting to defend and allow free expression of all ideas. In
> other words, they were here to DEFEND FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. They claim
> this is necessary for healthy thought, preservation of freedom and the
> highest potential of man. All of them--even Ted Seeber--loves to
> accuse those who can outwit them in debate of not allowing others to
> disagree. And attack liberty at the same time? THESE PEOPLE CAN DO
> THAT!! Through experience, we found that they had come to actually
> perform the opposite of what they claimed they were pushing, and were
> really there to destroy free expression and all freedom. They were
> trained to do it step-by-step and little-by-little. To cover this up,
> they always had the habit of accusing us who were exposing them of
> getting angry with them just because they disagree with us as if
> they're the sole defenders of the rights to disagree. This is a
> landmark habit of theirs consistently to make it appear that we had
> their training to be despots and tyrants and they had ours to love
> liberty.
>
> Immediately we were able to tell that anyone who condemns either
> liberty or the principles of the American Constitution is a profound
> killer. We don't care who they are or where they're from. The rule
> of thumb is that anyone who condemns the principles of liberty is a
> killer! We knew that all along. Ted Seeber was just one who labored
> to make everyone believe that a person can hate the US Constitution
> and just be another debater merely having a different opinion posting
> and participating on forums. WE KNEW BETTER FROM THE BEGINNING. The
> problem was how to show it and how to let you be aware of this fact.
> Even though they are trained to hide their true colors, we already
> knew they were killers. Ted Seeber proved that before all our eyes.
> SO DID THE OTHERS WHO DEFENDED HIM!
>
> That's right! Ted Seeber is Catholic, and professing Christians were
> all around him who witnessed what he was posting. It didn't bother
> them a bit!! But then something did wind up bothering them immensely.
> Brother McMillan reproved and exposed the monster, Ted Seeber! That
> was the beginning of D-Day FIRE! One after another and all at once
> these professing Christians have been doing everything possible to
> attack Ted McMillan and protect Ted Seeber. They approached claiming
> that they had to address a great injustice because Ted Seeber (being
> exposed as a super-terrorist) was treated rudely while totally missing
> the Constitution being attacked for at least months that guarantees
> the rights and well being of millions! They couldn't see that
> injustice to this day, not even with us screaming about it. They all
> attacked claiming that Ted McMillan was hateful having a problem with
> love. They laid out this charge in the most cunning ways without
> letup indicating much training in the art of deceit AND INDICATING FAR
> MORE FOR THE FUTURE THAN YOU CAN EVER KNOW RIGHT NOW. They portrayed
> it a great crime that Ted Seeber was exposed. Some even ventured to
> lie and tell us that Seeber didn't do what we proved he did.
> Eventually they had to confess that he did condemn whole races of
> people to death, but they then worked to make everyone believe it was
> of no consequence while myself and Brother McMillan exposing him was a
> great crime. Professing Christians claiming to come from various
> denominations moved in, made their entrance, and then systematically
> found the place to accuse Ted Mac of hatred.
>
> From our studies of the events and from our personal experiences with
> people like Ted Seeber, we have CONFIRMED the horrifying fact that
> there are MILLIONS more such people, and that they're all throughout
> our society. We have had much exposure to them on the internet, and
> they literally taunt us with what appears to be our feeble attempts to
> alert the public who do not realize the issues crucial to their very
> existence that are just right around the corner! Insiders have told
> us that these strange people believe the general public is stupid.
> Most do not know who they actually are or what they are capable of.
> We have brought this evidence with our appeals to the Catholic
> newsgroups. We brought it to the Adventist newsgroups; to the Baptist
> newsgroups; to the Lutheran newsgroups; to the Jewish newsgroups and
> even to those newsgroups that deal with freedom and government issues.
> So far virtually NO ONE has even ventured to comment or show any
> concern!!
>
> Remember Communists? Remember Nazis? They never existed? OH! THEY
> DID EXIST! Remember what they were capable of? Remember that
> millions of them existed? Ok then, if they existed, where are they
> now and what has happened to them? Did you remember that such people
> could never be taught that their philosophies are wrong? Remember
> that they had no conscience and were supremely hard-headed? Where
> are they now? You think they had a change of heart? You think they
> just vanished into thin air? You think communism has really fallen?
> Ever thought about how it would be to have a conversation with such
> dangerous people? Did you ever even become curious and think to
> yourselves what it would be like if you were to merely have interviews
> with Karl Marx or Stalin in order to probe their minds, maybe even
> under some futile fantasy imagining that you can touch their hearts?
> Well that's what has been happening with us for a while now. YOU WILL
> SEE THOSE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE HERE ON THE INTERNET!! WE ARE NOT
> KIDDING!! We are going to demonstrate using what we believe will be
> the most powerful eye-opening evidence: ACTUAL DIALOGUES FROM THESE
> PEOPLE!
>
> Here is the crucial dialogue where Ted Seeber made a very supreme
> blunder and condemned whole races of people to death:
>
>
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> Brother Ted made the statement in defense of liberty and the
> Constitution:
>
> > But you did understand how to hang people in chains. And your
> > founding Fathers also can't tell the difference between shedding the
> > blood of millions of bible-believers in the most unbelievable ways
> > for their descendants to now presume upon the world to teach them what
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> > the definition of love, hate and plagiarism.
>
> What's happening here is that Seeber fought against the principles of
> liberty and the Constitution. He then told Brother Ted (McMillan)
> that true freedom is seen when people are persecuted and held in
> chains and can demonstrate the power to still be themselves. He is
> telling us that this is what he wants while constantly supporting
> Roman Catholicism! Thing is, he is not talking about all Christians
> being persecuted this way. HE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT TRUE PROTESTANTS
> OR BIBLE BELIEVERS, claiming that they should be persecuted! In
> another post, he claimed that persecution was biblical! Brother Ted
> responded by saying he should be more concerned about the brutal
> slayings of millions of Christians than in plagiarism (they constantly
> attack our church, claiming that one of its founders was a plagiarist
> more than a hundred years ago and that this great crime denies them
> sleep. They magnify this as a major crime with emotion and relentless
> attack. When we bring up the brutal killings of bible-believers, they
> constantly and callously laugh this off and treat it as nothing then
> wind up accusing us of hatred for bringing up the atrocities of
> history). Brother McMillan is therefore here saying that Seeber's
> judgment is corrupted since he goes emotional over what he claims is
> plagiarism, but he constantly ignores the most brutal atrocities of
> history against bible-believing Christians.
>
> This is what Ted Seeber replied to Brother McMillan:
>
> ================
>
> Can you really be said to be believing in the Bible if you don't live
> it?
>
> NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible.
> They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible.
>
> ================
>
> BINGO!!
>
> NOTICE HOW HE IS SPEAKING IN APPROVAL OF WHAT WAS DONE! THIS IS JUST
> THE BEGINNING OF THE CRIMES OF THE MAN TED SEEBER!
>
> Here is the clincher that forced Ted Seeber to flee from posting on
> the newsgroups. Brother McMillan responded by saying:
>
> Ted McMillan:
> "NO WONDER YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ME BRINGING BACK YOUR RECORD OF
> HORRIBLE ATROCITIES! They were not even living the bible! Why even
> worry about them!"
>
> [Now, you're ready for this?? This is what Brother McMillan then
> said]...
>
> "WERE THE 5 TO 6 THOUSANDS WHO WERE KILLED BY THE TERRORIST ATTACKS
> LIVING THE BIBLE?"
>
> [Friends, remember the date of the terrorist attacks: September 11,
> 2001. Now look at the date of Ted Seeber's remarks!! Prime Minister
> Tony Blair had not long prior given a definition of a terrorist, and
> Seeber walked right in and fulfilled it worse than Osama Bin Laden!
> Osama claims that many must die because America did something against
> his race and/or religion. Seeber condemned everyone BECAUSE THEY'RE
> NOT CATHOLIC!! That's why we call him a super-terrorist!
> Brother McMillan continues]...
>
> "You don't have any consistent principles, if you even know the
> meaning of the word! Your principles change only for you to even look
> like you are winning an argument."
>
> ===========================
>
> As simple and as striking as these words are, allow me to show you
> first that even these don't stand alone to prove anything. With this
> statement the man has been condemning the American Constitution and
> all liberty. He told us that "liberty is useless, and only causes
> schism." Ironically, he gave COMPLETE confidence to our current
> national leaders, even telling us we should willingly provide them
> with absolutely all our private information and obey EVERYTHING
> President Bush says whether or not it goes against the Constitution.
> He said he had no problem doing that SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO
> HIDE. He said the Constitution and the principles of liberty are,
> "incredibly stupid and outdated" in concert with the Bush
> Administration telling us that the US Counter-terrorism system was
> "outdated" before regressing the principles of the Constitution as a
> response to 911. At the same time, Seeber expressed disdain and
> hatred for our national forefathers. He referred to our system of
> liberty as the "Protestant rebellion," showing his mind is exactly the
> same as the Inquisitors centuries ago!
>
> Seeber said boldly that he works within America to destroy the
> principles of liberty it now has and says he is within acceptable
> confines to attack it from the inside. He claimed it was his purpose
> to make sure through reinterpretation, that the principles of the
> Constitution should actually be enforced OPPOSITE to the way they are
> interpreted and enforced today. WE ARE NOT KIDDING!! Where were
> others who witnessed all of this? They were right there attacking
> Brother McMillan for exposing and reproving the super-terrorist!
>
> The man Seeber has shown complete indifference to atrocities against
> bible-believers but went nuts when those atrocities were exposed or
> when we exposed who he and his friends were! All of them, claiming to
> come from various Christian denominations--and even one claiming to be
> a Wiccan or Witch--had this terrible documented Vatican disease!
>
>
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> In this link above Seeber actually tells us that PERSECUTION IS
> BIBLICAL! He tells us that the bible sanctions persecuting Christians
> for not seeing religious matters as he does!
>
> Where then are our priorities? Which is worse: to persecute? or to be
> exposed for doing that? Constantly strange people demanding change of
> our churches and government system approached Brother McMillan,
> constantly issuing the word HATE at him while constantly clothing
> their actions with the word LOVE! They constantly demand that the
> Adventist Church change in concert with others demanding that the US
> government change and who are forcing these organizations to do this.
>
> The conflicting issues in the discussions that took place on the
> internet dealing with love and hate, can mainly be summed up by the
> words of one highly unscrupulous person posting by the name of Will
> Nordymeyer. He hated Brother McMillan immediately upon noting what he
> had done to Ted Seeber, and so he moved in with attacks using tactics
> we had often encountered by these strange killers: always on the basis
> of love in Christianity. He was speaking to Brother Ted McMillan when
> he leveled the typical accusation:
>
>
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> > You are once again being hateful and non-Christian.
>
> This comment came because Brother McMillan exposed Ted Seeber and all
> who aided and abbetted him. Brother Ted then wrote from a previous
> post:
>
> > > A Super-terrorist has condemned all non-Catholics.
>
> Will Nordmeyer responded:
>
> > And Ted continues to call people names.
>
> This is the direct response he gave after Brother Ted commented about
> Ted Seeber condemning all non-Catholics to persecution and death!
>
> Notice that Will Nordmeyer didn't bother to deny the claim? He
> instead presents what he claims is a greater concern! This is typical
> of most all of them, and they always charge those who expose them with
> mental problems. They then keep moving in telling us about some
> Gospel we are going to HAVE TO accept whether we like it or not. They
> are constanly giving us hints that some climactic crisis is ahead that
> will force everyone to view matters the way they do OR ELSE! THEY ARE
> ALREADY TALKING AS IF SOCIETY IS GOING TO DEMAND THAT WE ACCEPT THEIR
> DEMANDS!!
>
> You think this is an isolated case where professed Christians by their
> actions claim that to name-call is worse than to brutally slay many
> people and even bible-believers? We'll show you more!
>
> We are Seventh-day Adventists, and as such we are constantly
> undergoing strange circumstances and attacks by our fellow brethren in
> the church. We later went on the internet and found out that the same
> struggle and same strange people are there also. That's where we met
> Ted Seeber and all the rest who moved in to help him from different
> Christian denominations and from Witchdom! A friend alerted us to
> strange things happening on the Seventh-day Adventist internet
> discussion forums. We'd like you to see what went on and what still
> goes on there. What does this have to do with you? YOU HAD BETTER
> TAKE NOTES OF THE BEHAVIOR YOU ARE WITNESSING, FOR BY THAT YOU WILL BE
> ABLE TO PREDICT THE FUTURE... YOUR FUTURE!!
>
> There are several Adventist discussion forums around. We went to
> investigate them and found that almost every single one of them as
> Adventist discussion forums specialize in attacking Adventism and the
> Adventist Church. They were all overburdened with posters who made a
> constant and relentless attack upon the church often attacking with
> every post. Almost all of them make relentless attack against one of
> its key pioneering leaders: Ellen G. White. They all also had some
> very noticeable similarities with Ted Seeber and the people who
> defended him on the newsgroups. Is there a connection between these on
> the Adventist discussion forums claiming to be Adventists and former
> Adventists and the others we found on the newsgroups with Ted Seeber?
> We are trying to show you there is an indelible connection!
>
> How can this happen with the Adventist owners of the forums and
> moderators there you ask? How is it they can tolerate the Adventist
> Church and Ellen White being constantly and viciously attacked ON
> THEIR OWN ADVENTIST FORUMS till those forums are dominated by such
> attacks? The owners claim to be Adventists! Anyone browsing the
> internet to even find out about Adventism sees most every Adventist
> forum in existence constantly attacking it and misrepresenting it!
> Those who attack claim that the forums are free and they therefore can
> post anything they want regarding Adventism. The owners of the forum
> come back and say the same things, giving condonance to what is going
> on. They tell us the forums are free, they're not going to do
> anything about it, and the reason we don't like the constant attacks
> is because we hate people who disagree with us--JUST LIKE THE STRANGE
> PEOPLE ON THE NEWSGROUPS!! We keep asking them who can be allowed to
> disagree with their tyrannical accusations and they keep making the
> accusations and ignoring our questions.
>
> Why do the Adventist discussion forum owners allow these things? It
> is because they actually hate Adventism also as we will show. THEY
> HAVE ALL ALSO REVEALED THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE ADVENTIST CHURCH
> TO CHANGE! We discovered that they actually weren't Adventists at
> all! What does this have to do with Ted Seeber? What does this have
> to do with you? Let's find out one step at a time to do it justice.
> Not wanting to bore you, let's get to the dialogues.
>
> We went into discussion with these strange people. One of the owners
> of one "Adventist" discussion forum, J. R. Layman, the owner of the
> Atomorrow "Adventist" forums, commented this about Brother Ted and the
> other "Adventist" forums. This is one of those who claims he is
> against censorship and wants all ideas to be freely expressed to
> enhance our potential. If we post anything in any conclusive manner,
> he supports the idea that we must add that it is just our personal
> opinions, or at least behave as if that is the case. He has a
> terrible agenda to CHANGE the Adventist Church in concert with the cry
> for CHANGE in our government as well, claiming this is on the basis
> that the church doesn't allow free expression of ideas. He then
> enters into constant battle against all who do not think like he does
> as do all the other strange participants on the internet, not allowing
> others to disagree. In his attacks, this is what he says against
> Brother McMillan who disagrees with him. He says about his Adventist
> internet discussion forum to Brother McMillan:
>
> "Even funnier is the FACT that this is the ONLY Adventist orientated
> forum which continues to allow you to post your baloney...."
>
> Baloney? According to J. R. Layman? In his opinion? (the expression
> they like to use against those who differ with them) Are these the
> ones fighting for freedom of ideas and beliefs? He continues:
>
> The fact that your post are frequently pruned and pasted
> here.............is simply IMO good forum management. So you don't
> ruin the atmosphere for all posters/members. EVERY OTHER REPUTABLE
> FORUM WHICH ATTRACTS ADVENTIST FROM ALL SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM HAVE
> THROWN YOU OFF!!!!!!!!! Is that not true?" [Caps here are J. R.
> Layman's own].
>
> Whenever Brother Ted comes on J. R. Layman's forum or anyone who
> opposes his agenda, he moves their posts and inquiring questions to
> different places on the forum and typically may label them as on some
> of the other forums: "The Dump", "Ted's Place," or anything he wants
> while claiming to favor free expression. This he does to all who
> effectively irritates him by giving questions he and his equally
> strange friends know they dare not answer. But then I must let you
> know that it is true that Brother Ted was kicked off of practically
> every "Adventist" forum decrying censorship and claiming to support
> free expression of every idea. We are going to really show you why!
>
> Our first exhibit is found here below. When you go there...
>
> PLEASE WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU HAVE NOTICED WITH THEIR BEHAVIOR. WE ARE
> NOT KIDDING!!
>
> YOU NEED TO DO THIS!!
>
>
> Please go now to the following webpage AND COME BACK ONCE YOU HAVE
> FINISHED READING!! WE HAVE A MAJOR SURPRISE FOR YOU JUST AFTER!!
> This is one of the major "Adventist" internet discusson forums called
> ClubAdventist:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/JesuitPara.html
>
> Notice how Brother Ted was kicked off. He began asking them very
> convicting questions the strange people knew they couldn't afford to
> answer. He tormented them with these questions. Though the questions
> were always ignored for obvious reasons, it was clear that they had
> their affect. Nobody else were asking the questions Brother Ted was
> asking.
>
> These posters brought every form of deceit. Brother Ted revealed what
> the deception was. He then asked them questions. How are they going
> to answer? It is clear that they can't answer. In this case the
> problem was why Stan Jensen always allowed a huge attack on the
> Adventist Church to dominate his forum continually claiming this is
> the price of liberty and freedom, but when Brother Ted brought up the
> subject of Jesuit infiltration into the Adventist Church, the US
> government, media, educational systems, etc., he had to shut it down.
> What then can Stan Jensen do? Apologize? To do so means he will have
> to either stop the constant attack against the Adventist Church on his
> system, or else allow the subject of the problem--Jesuit
> infiltration--to be discussed. From thence it is clear he cannot do
> this. So he has to follow one of the major codes of the Jesuits in
> order to accomplish what he must do for his agenda. One of the major
> principles of the Jesuit Oath is, "The End Justifies the Means!"
> Being pushed to the wall and with an imperative to continue his work
> against Adventism, the only thing he could do was to hypocritize
> against his own principles and kick Brother McMillan off the forum.
> That is what he did WITHOUT WARNING! He was asked about his actions,
> but just babbled over the inquiries and made everyone to know that
> there's nothing they can do about it!
>
> Since they always pretended the questions were not asked and were
> RELENTLESS in covering over them and taunting around them, Brother Ted
> kept re-asking those questions just as often. There then comes a time
> when they can't take it anymore, so the Jesuit owners of those forums
> kick him off and then go into a campaign of babbling over their
> censorship and pretending that's not what they're doing. They
> constantly post in that Brother Ted is hateful as a common tactic and
> use that to ignore the questions that he brings. They claim he is
> hateful WITHOUT ALLOWING ANYONE TO DISAGREE. They keep posting about
> the crime of accusing, personally attacking and "name-calling," since
> Brother Ted exposed them as Jesuits: something they claim is a
> name-call. AFTER THEY KICK HIM OFF, THEY STILL LEAVE HIS CONVICTING
> QUESTIONS UNANSWERED, SHOWING THEY ONLY USED THE ACCUSATION AND
> NAME-CALLING OF HATE AS A MEANS TO KICK HIM OFF. They all throughout,
> name-call and personally attack him, endeavoring to teach him to avoid
> uncivil posts by posting without civility to him.
>
> When any Adventist talked about their church being destroyed through
> infiltration from the inside, the Jesuits among them constantly worked
> to quiet their concerns by telling them that Christ was in control of
> everything and that Christ could handle any problem. They asked us
> whether or not Christ was big enough to handle all problems within the
> church and everywhere else. They told us to just relax, let go and
> let God handle everything. Forget about any consideration of the
> Jesuits. They said that good always wins out in the end and that we
> must not accept a "works religion" where we move to the battle,
> because the battle is the Lord's. Even if Jesuits do exist, they say,
> don't try to fight them: God will!
>
> Brother Ted then replied to them that they shouldn't worry about a
> woman dead almost a hundred years by the name of Ellen White. He
> tells them they are going to have to understand that God can handle
> the poor little "false profit." They therefore don't have to
> constantly infiltrate, post attacks, write books, create elaborate
> websites that now far outnumber websites that support Ellen White!
> They understood the meaning of these replies, so they just continued
> ignoring, name-calling, accusing, slandering and insulting Brother Ted
> and mix their constant teachings against these evils before, during
> and after they do it! They continue to repeat their lies.
>
> Have you heard some of these expressions before? Do they sound
> familiar to you? PLEASE TAKE NOTES OF THE BEHAVIORS WE ARE SHOWING
> YOU. WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IS FAR
> MORE THAN JUST OUR PLIGHT!!
>
> Knowing who they were, Brother Ted kept asking them questions they
> couldn't answer so all would see how they were years trained to
> deceive and divert from probing questions on topic and avoid them.
> They claimed that we must only concentrate on Christ, but Brother Ted
> reveals that they were trained in far more than Christ! Since these
> people present themselves as so sensitive to "hate" and love, and
> since they constantly posted what they claimed are the hideous crimes
> of the Adventist Church that bothers the Christian life out of them,
> Brother Ted intentionally posts some of the worst atrocities that were
> done against Christians in the past BY ROME. Brother Ted knew this
> would touch a very sensitive cord within the infiltrators. He posted
> documents that caused our hairs to stand on end because they were the
> most heinous and hateful things we have ever heard--including
> documents containing the mandate that all non-Catholics MUST die, and
> we saw that his purpose for doing that is to show others the nature of
> these people!! All these postings made the strange people just yawn.
> The strange posters then kept posting with constant emotion HOW WE ARE
> HATEFUL FOR POSTING THEM! They did everything possible to show that
> we are hateful for posting about the atrocities to avoid condemning
> the atrocities themselves. THEY REFUSED TO CONDEMN EVEN ONE OF THOSE
> ATROCITIES. As they issued these condemnations, as always, they gave
> no allowance for anyone to disagree with their lies, but kept posting
> how we don't allow others to disagree with us. It is time to show you
> some of these dialogues so that you can get a shocking glimpse of how
> this may impact you! What documents are we talking about? Well one
> document in particular is what we call, "The Jesuit Oath." You can
> find that Oath at the following URL:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/JesOath.htm
>
> Understand however that there are different such oaths. Though they
> are a few of them, they are all very similar. We are here referring
> to the one in the link above.
>
> --The first two paragraphs talk about how the Jesuits are supposed to
> infiltrate to the point where they are supposed to condemn the Vatican
> and the Pope as part of the process of gaining the confidence of their
> enemies they are infiltrating. No one would think they are Jesuits if
> they even condemn Catholicism.
>
> --The next two paragraphs talk about how they are supposed to
> infiltrate governments which are even opposed to each other. And work
> to cause contentions among them to the point of causing bloodshed and
> war. In that it says they are supposed to even put on a show of being
> opposed to other Jesuits in different governments having a show of
> contrasting political principles and agendas when they are actually
> working for a unified underlying purpose for Rome behind the scenes.
>
> --The fifth paragraph shows all the areas of life they are supposed to
> infiltrate: all areas BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY AREAS OF POWER, INFLUENCE
> AND CONTROL. Here is where you will find them always in the greatest
> concentration. As they do that they are supposed to act like spies
> and to gather as much INFORMATION about what's going on around them as
> possible and about those whom they meet.
>
> --The seventh paragraph appears to have an initiation: killing a
> heretic to qualify for the office.
>
> --The eighth paragraph is a promise to wage RELENTLESS war against all
> Protestants and liberals (or who believe in the principles of freedom:
> not the "liberals" we are accustomed to understanding in our society
> today) and to ultimately annihilate them from off the earth even to
> the point of ripping up the wombs of their women or crushing their
> infants heads against walls. In other words to destroy their enemies
> along with any possibility of them being reproduced through
> procreation!
>
> --The ninth paragraph shows what is to be done if annihilating their
> enemies cannot be accomplished openly. They are to do it secretly
> THROUGH EVEN USING POISONS!
>
> IS THIS OATH TRUE? IS IT TRUE THAT JESUITS AND OTHER ORDERS OF THE
> PAPACY MAKE SUCH OATHS?? Let's examine this.
>
> They have moved heaven and hell to try to show us that the Jesuit Oath
> (or at least this one) is a hoax and is a "fake document" on the
> google newsgroup records. They then claim that they CANNOT CONDEMN A
> FAKE DOCUMENT. From the beginning we asked them to condemn the
> atrocities we post LIKE THEY CONDEMN US. We did this knowing who they
> are and knowing, as then, they cannot afford to do this, and THEY ARE
> STILL IN FAVOR OF SUCH ATROCITIES. When they lie to us telling us
> they cannot condemn a fake document, we asked them whether or not they
> have condemned Protestant writings such as Foxe's Book of Martyrs.
> That is an extensive and conservative record of the atrocities of Rome
> against the Protestants throughout the Christian age. They didn't
> answer the question, knowing that they have often condemned that work.
> We then asked them why Foxe's Book of Martyrs is true since they can
> condemn it. They ignored our question.
>
> Here is one such thread where they did everything to try and convince
> us that these Oaths are fakes:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=lsmd
2v45sb54rq2fr2vmi3e0jacf820djl%404ax.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dg:thl2168
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>
> Notice how persistently and relentlessly they posted, trailing all our
> posts with even repetitive messages as if to address some emergency!
> THEY REFUSE TO EVEN JUST CONDEMN THE WORDS OF HATE IN THE JESUIT OATH
> LIKE THEY CONDEMN US. They frequently posted to each other that we
> post nonsense, were mentally ill and should be ignored or "killfiled"
> (meaning put on their ignore lists [if not anything else literally!]).
> The problem is, contrary to their admonitions to ignore us, the Jesuit
> Oath demands RELENTLESS warfare against their enemies. WHICH IS GOING
> TO WIN OUT? You got it! The Jesuit Oath! So they constantly post
> without letup and trail our posts. We constantly ask them why they
> keep trailing the posts of mentally ill people, and they ignore us and
> continue to follow the Jesuit Oath by relentlessly posting against us.
>
> But then we brought up another issue, and that is the Ustashis of
> WWII. Who were they? They were the most brutal killers known to man
> in the 20th century! They were Catholics, and, as for centuries
> historically--though still denied--they demanded that all others
> convert to Catholicism or die often in the most heinous and disgusting
> ways! What would be the response about the atrocities committed by
> the Ustashis? They told us that the Jesuit Oath is fake and they
> therefore cannot condemn something that is untrue. Can they say that
> the Ustashis did not exist? They absolutely refused to condemn the
> Ustashis also!
>
> The record of atrocities done by the Ustashis included pushing their
> victims off of cliffs, pushing them live into furnaces, and one
> popular atrocity against their victims was to gourge their eyes out of
> their sockets! Reading these hateful crimes was futile to the strange
> people posting on the internet who were very sensitive to
> "name-calling." Not only did they show apathy, THEY ALWAYS REVERTED
> THE FORCE OF THE CRIMES BACK UPON US WHO REVEALED THEM, claiming that
> they only see supreme hatred in us, and how we were demonic and evil.
> They did everything to divert from what was shown. THEY DID
> EVERYTHING TO AVOID CONDEMNING THOSE ACTIONS!! TO THIS DAY THEY
> CONDEMNED NONE OF THE ATROCITIES BROUGHT BEFORE THEM! Yet another
> point mentioned in the Grigozono letter below that the Ustashis did
> was that they CRUSHED INFANTS HEADS AGAINST WALLS!! This is following
> the exact wording of the Jesuit Oath! The Ustashis, in order to show
> their delight in their mass murders, ACTUALLY PHOTOGRAPHED THEMSELVES
> TO SHOW THEIR JOY TO THEIR SUPERIORS WHOSE ORDERS THEY WERE CARRYING
> OUT TO CRUCIFY ALL NATURAL AFFECTION IN ORDER TO CARRYOUT THEIR
> COMMANDS! Want to see some? Try this link:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Grizogono.htm
>
> Privislav Grigozono was a Catholic Croat who in the link above details
> conservatively the crimes of the Ustashis. ALL THIS TOOK PLACE IN THE
> 1940s AND SERVE AS A CONTINUATION OF EVENTS DOCUMENTED IN PROTESTANT
> HISTORICAL RECORDS!
>
> HERE IS A VERY KEY POINT THAT ULTIMATELY WILL AFFECT YOU! THEY
> REFUSED TO CONDEMN THE ATROCITIES OF THE USTASHIS, THE ATROCITIES
> DOCUMENTED IN THE JESUIT OATH, AND LASTLY, THEY REFUSED TO CONDEMN TED
> SEEBER FOR APPROVING OF THE MASSACRE OF ALL NON-CATHOLICS! TO THIS
> DAY EVEN THE "ADVENTISTS" THAT ENTERED TO ATTACK BROTHER MCMILLAN,
> REFUSED TO EVEN CONTRADICT OR CONDEMN SEEBER'S ATTACKS AGAINST LIBERTY
> AND THE CONSTITUTION, WHILE CONSTANTLY ACCUSING US OF NOT ALLOWING
> OTHERS TO DISAGREE WITH US! They have condemned Catholic doctrines
> before, but they absolutely could not bring themselves to publicly
> condemn the atrocities we brought before them detailing the attitudes
> of the killers with each action! WHY? Let's find out!
>
> Let's see what EVEN THE NAZIS thought about the atrocities of the
> Ustashis IN COMPARISON TO THESE POSTERS ON THE NEWSGROUPS:
>
> Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations, Europe, edition 1995, page 91,
> entry: Croatia
> Quote:
> Slavko Kvaternik [the second in command to the Croatian WWII fuehrer,
> Dr Ante Pavelic] explained [on the day of formation of the WWII
> "Independent State of Croatia", on April 10, 1941] HOW PURE CROATIA
> SHOULD BE BUILT - by forcing one third of the Serbs to leave Croatia,
> one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third to be EXTERMINATED.
> Soon Ustasha bands initiated a BLOODY ORGY of mass murder of Serbs
> unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time. THE
> ENORMITY OF SUCH CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR SHOCKED EVEN THE CONSCIENCE OF
> GERMAN COMMANDERS...
> (End quote)
>
> So terrible were the crimes that were done by the Ustashis, that when
> THE NAZIS heard of them, they were cut to the heart! BUT THE POSTERS
> ON THE INTERNET YAWNED THEM OFF AND REVERTED ALL CONDEMNATION UPON
> US!! NOT EVEN A SINGLE MENTION OF REGRET OR CONSTERNATION WAS SHOWN!
> THEY DIDN'T DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THE USTASHIS! They continued to
> constantly post that we hated "all Catholics" shown by our condemning
> the Ustashis. We objected and asked why the Ustashis are
> representatives of "all Catholics." We said we don't think all
> Catholics would want the Ustashis to be their representatives. They,
> claiming to come from different denominations, still continued to
> complain in the air constantly how we hate and condemn ALL Catholics
> because we expose the Ustashis or EVERYBODY who disagrees with us.
> They continued their activities without letup!
>
> They then brought in another lying concept. They kept telling us that
> they couldn't condemn the Ustashis because the victims of the Ustashis
> also killed some of the Ustashis, and therefore no one could pinpoint
> who is to blame! That is actually just an assumption. It is assumed
> that a few of the Ustashis were killed by their victims during that
> terrible period of modern barbarism. They brought in a new lie that
> BLAME IS SHARED and kept posting this lie! They did this over and
> over again repetitively. Is this lie true?
>
> How do we know that was a lie? This was proven false just by their
> actions on the forums and Brother Ted was again witty enough to point
> them out. They claim we must never name-call and that we are evil for
> doing it. We were constantly name-called by these people telling us
> not to do that. Since both sides indulged in this, no one can
> pinpoint blame? Why then do they ONLY attack us for this exceeding
> great crime of hate to them called name-calling? Brother Ted then
> kept reminding them about the US response to 911, and asked if they
> before had presented their case about blame being shared against the
> Bush Administration since it took blood in response to 911 in
> Afghanistan. Of course, they had to ignore this question also and go
> to the next lie! Lastly, we brought out how, if they couldn't figure
> out which side was the cause of the problem or actually thought that
> blame was shared, THE NAZIS SURELY WERE ABLE TO! They were shocked at
> the brutality of the Ustashis, BUT NOT ABOUT ANY BRUTALITY OF THEIR
> VICTIMS. The quote above demonstrates where the problem in that
> conflict lay showing how the Ustashis planned to make their country
> 100% Catholic.
>
> The strange posters even earlier defended the Ustashis, telling us
> that PICTURES CAN BE FAKED, to coverup the unbelievable history:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20000830000
327.27082.00000006%40nso-cm.aol.com&rnum=2
>
> (They called Brother McMillan the "Anti-Ted" because Ted Seeber also
> had the same first name.)
>
> This they did after already easily condemning David Koresh and the
> Branch Davidians based upon what they claimed were the pictures that
> were shown on TV. They saw the necessity of bringing up this new
> concept that pictures can be faked after the Ustashis, who made David
> Koresh look like Pee Wee Herman, were being discussed.
>
> Therefore to this date, NOT ONE ATROCITY WAS CONDEMNED BY THEM, NOT
> ONE STATEMENT AGAINST LIBERTY AND THE CONSTITUTION WAS CONDEMNED OR
> OPPOSED BY THEM, BUT THEY FROTHED AT THE MOUTH TO EASILY CONDEMN US
> FOR EXPOSING THOSE THINGS, CONSTANTLY LABELING US WITH THE WORD
> "HATE!" We are trying to show you there is a reason for this that is
> linked with the future. There is a reason for their constantly
> attaching the accusation of hate against us. It is actually a death
> wish against us for the future!
>
> But now again, the question is why there seems to be a movement to
> conceal past atrocities. Again, why did they do these things? Why
> was it so important to make sure not one condemnation of atrocities
> was found to come from them? Hold on to your hats now and brace
> yourselves for this one! The reason why they did this was...
>
> HOMELAND SECURITY/ANTI-TERRORISM!!
>
> YOU HEARD RIGHT FOLKS!!
>
> Brother Ted has constantly been irritated at those who sided with the
> government after September 11th when they moved in to again attack the
> liberties of the people claiming such liberties had to be limited for
> security. We heard that before in the history of brutal regimes. He
> was constantly irritated when he heard many agreeing to be deceived
> into the thought that they don't have to worry about the government
> snooping out their personal information just so long as they have
> nothing to hide.
>
> Now comes the awesome conclusion and awesome fact many did not
> understand. Any free government under change that transforms to a
> tyrannical one WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY INTERESTED IN WHO EVERYONE IS
> AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OR HOW THEY THINK. When we warred against the
> strange posters on the Adventist discussion forums, they were very
> quickly into our profiles and complained that we provided very little
> information there. That was always a profound interest to them even
> though they constantly told us our focus was to always only be upon
> Christ. WHY?
> BECAUSE WHEN A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT IS FULLY MANIFESTED, ITS FIRST
> MISSION IS TO...
>
> DEAL WITH ITS ENEMIES!! We're not talking about dealing with its
> enemies over their behavior AFTER the new tyrannical government is
> established. We're talking about a tyrannical government GOING INTO
> PAST RECORDS DURING TIMES WHEN A FREE GOVERNMENT EXISTED IN ORDER TO
> KNOW WHO MIGHT GIVE THEM TROUBLE OR WHO WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH!
>
> Such a government WILL SEEK THROUGH RECORDS TO DETECT PAST ACTIONS OF
> THOSE WHO LIVED UNDER A FREE GOVERNMENT. IT WILL THEN PENALIZE SUCH
> INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR PAST ACTIONS OR STATEMENTS!
>
> YOU DON'T GET IT??? The following is what Brother McMillan posted on
> the alt.religion.christian.adventist newsgroup, September 23, 2001,
> under the title, "Re: SECURITY VS. PRIVACY". In this and other
> threads, Brother McMillan was contending against Ted Seeber who was
> condemning the American Constitution AND YET SHOWING CONFIDENCE TO OUR
> NATIONAL LEADERS:
>
> Well those are the issues with government. Government positions are
> now filled with globalists as these internet media and forums are
> filled with them. The Communists and the Nazis were globalists. How
> can anyone in common sense seeing that our government is becoming more
> and more tyrannical, come to the conclusion that they have nothing to
> worry about with their privacy because they are not doing anything
> wrong today? If you even post that you favor liberty in any way
> [liberty as we know it today], YOU ARE AN OUTLAW TOMORROW!
>
> We're talking about CONSTITUTIONAL liberty here. The enemies to it
> believe what they are supporting is liberty also just as Seeber does,
> BUT IN THEIR VERSION OF IT! Remember Seeber telling us what true
> liberty is? Remember he said he wants the ability to bind people in
> chains so they can demonstrate their liberty?
>
> "The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor,
> liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World,
> April, 1870.)
>
> But actually if you support the present CONSTITUTIONAL liberty, you
> are a POTENTIAL outlaw tomorrow. If you condemn the atrocities and
> detail the sub-animalistic and hateful qualities of the killers, YOU
> WILL BE A POTENTIAL VICTIM OF THE NEW GOVERNMENT TO COME AS THEY SIFT
> THROUGH RECORDS OF ALL YOU SAID OR WROTE IN OUR PRESENT AND FREE
> GOVERNMENT. FOR THOSE ATROCITIES WILL AGAIN BECOME A WAY OF LIFE (OR
> DEATH)! BUT THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THOSE VATICANS POSTING ALSO
> CONDEMNED ATROCITIES THAT ARE PLANNED TO RETURN? IF THOSE VATICANS
> POSTING DID THE SAME THINGS...
>
> THEY WOULD BE THREATENED TO BE CONDEMNED ALSO!! They therefore
> couldn't afford to do this! That would jeopardize their lives and
> curtail the killings of innocent people soon to come as had always
> been the historical practice of any Vatican-dominated environment
> where there were no reprisals for them to worry about! The killers
> will not want to be forced to exterminate their own!
>
> Think this is a lie? Well just look at the facts:
>
> We know that after September 11th, the Bush Administration moved
> swiftly to show us that the Constitution of the United States was the
> enemy! They told us that they had to update their anti-terrorism
> policy by seeking to do what they had been seeking to do for a long
> time before September 11: limit or eradicate the liberties of the
> people.
>
> WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID IN UPDATING THEIR ANTI-TERRORISM POLICIES WAS
> TO NOT UPDATE BUT REGRESS THE CONSTITUTION!
>
> THAT WAS JUST ABOUT ALL THEY DID!
>
> They then put their ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT snooping devices
> CREATED WELL BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11! Remember the FBI even insisted that
> Carnivore, a powerful system created to snoop and archive all email
> and other internet transmissions, was legal for them to build and
> implement WELL BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11 AND UNDER MUCH OPPOSITION FROM TRUE
> AMERICANS! Such a device was never created before. Why? BECAUSE IT
> WAS ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO BUILD OR IMPLEMENT!! Now the
> government worked to legally use this and other unconstitutional
> devices. If they were legal already to use, they would not have
> needed September 11th to claim they can now use it. THEY HAVE ALWAYS
> BEEN USING IT, but not legally! People have opposed them even on the
> internet for their unconstitutional behavior. It was reported that
> inquirng posts were deleted or bleeped as is the constant habit of the
> strange posters and owners of the "Adventist" internet discusssion
> forums!
>
> However in the Anti-terrorism bill proposed by the Bush
> Administration, they were showing us what was the enemy to national
> security. They proposed that the government be given the ability to
> declare who is a terrorist. They claimed that judicial review should
> not be allowed--EVEN JUDGES COULD NOT REVIEW THEIR ACTIONS!! That was
> another enemy to national security also. Such a provision would not
> be needed if actions are expected to be Constitutional or correct.
> They claimed that any person accused by the government of terrorism
> would be not given the ability to defend himself. It would not even
> be required that he face his accusers nor answer for himself. That
> was another enemy to national security according to them. In this
> they claimed that the accused could be tried and condemned in secret
> without even knowing what he is being accused of! This, they claimed,
> was necessary FOR NATIONAL SECURITY lest by trials the government is
> forced to reveal classified information that may threaten their
> foreign policy or national security. Anyone remotely accused of
> aiding one declared to be a terrorist by the government even in the
> most innocent of fashions could be like punished! YOU REALLY NEED TO
> STUDY THE INQUISITIONS PEOPLE!!
>
> Senator Orin Hatch was among those fighting against the right for
> "terrorists" to have due process of law. Why did I put the word
> "terrorists" in quotation marks? Well let's find out:
>
> He claimed that no "terrorist" should have due process of law or a
> trial of any kind. The problem was what made a terrorist classified
> as a terrorist. What made the terrorist a terrorist? The answer WAS
> THAT THE PERSON WAS SO ACCUSED BY THE GOVERNMENT!! After that, no
> trial, no ability to defend himself. The person would then disappear
> off the face of the map without anyone knowing what happened to him
> JUST LIKE THE INQUISITIONS!! In this they struggled to fool the
> American people! How do you know he is a terrorist if he is not
> tried? According to these people, ONLY THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO KNOW HE
> IS A TERRORIST!! "WE THE PEOPLE" now has a new meaning!
>
> We have shown that this is not the first time clearly Nazi principles
> were shown to be the secret pet of our now converted national leaders.
> Long before September 11th there has always been a terrible war
> between the government and people who love the Constitution and know
> what she is doing. True Americans have been found hanging around
> sources of media that presents things they never hear from the
> national media. These private sources equip them with information AND
> QUESTIONS FOR OUR NATIONAL LEADERS that they know they dare not
> address! This is the same scenario we encounter on the internet. But
> as regards national security in Anti-terrorism, principles very
> similar were also proposed by the Clinton Administration under the
> same concern: terrorism. They also were proposing that the enemy is
> the Constitution of the United States. See the evidence here:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/CommonAntiterrorism.htm
>
> All of our forgotten history taught us that no American would even
> have such dreams IN THEIR SLEEP AND BE AMERICAN!! No person who knows
> what it is to be American would even dream of such provisions in his
> sleep! We got all intense against the threat against liberty, but
> then wound up detaining people suspected of terrorism without giving
> them any rights? It was all done as if the government couldn't wait
> to show her true colors AFTER ALREADY KNOWING ABOUT THE DISTRUST OF
> GOVERNMENT! SORRY! True Americans would not dream in their sleep to
> be tyrannical, nor would any form of paranoia compel them to do these
> things. You have to already be tyrannical to do tyrannical things!
> All Americans used to know that any such are enemies to this
> Republic!! These are not the same people in control now who were in
> control during WWII! I keep hearing a comparison with America during
> WWII to America now. I tell you, THERE IS NO COMPARISON!! It gets
> worse as time goes on!
>
> =============================
>
>
> The time soon came when FINALLY, they condemned the Jesuit Oath.
> They, however, did it in a very strange way. After calling us
> mentally ill constantly, finally they were able to acknowledge us as
> the trailblazers in condemning the hate found in the Jesuit Oath and
> in the Ustashis, BUT THEY DID IT IN A STRANGE WAY. Take a look below
> and see if you can figure out what the subject is doing.
>
> First comment after the Jesuit Oath was FINALLY condemned, AND THAT
> NOT IN THE WAY WE HAD ASKED AND NOT NEARLY CONDEMNED AS WE ARE
> CONSTANTLY CONDEMNED:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.religion.christian.adventist+ins
ubject:condemn+insubject:the+insubject:Jesuit+insubject:Oath&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT
F-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=it9v1v0cko9t0j3rhh7uj5nakknvd3grk2%404ax.com&rnum=2
>
> Larson is asked to condemn the Jesuit Oath like he condemns us:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.religion.christian.adventist+ins
ubject:condemn+insubject:the+insubject:Jesuit+insubject:Oath&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT
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>
>
> Search Result 4
> From: Susan Williams (salet...@rocketmail.com)
> Subject: #CONDEMN THE JESUIT OATH LIKE YOU CONDEMN US!!
> This is the only article in this thread
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> Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
> Date: 2003-01-31 21:16:03 PST
> On 31 Jan 2003 13:24:01 GMT, "Larson" <mye...@isprivate.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Susan Williams" <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hdrj3vg71n069kf47...@4ax.com...
> >> On 30 Jan 2003 13:19:26 GMT, "Larson" <mye...@isprivate.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> The man has lots of questions to answer that would be committing
> >> suicide, BUT the Jesuit Oath allows provisions to lie and deceive:
> >>
> Larson replies:
> >The Jesuit Oath is a lie.
>
> Susan reiterates:
> Why then do you keep it?
>
> Larson continues:
> >A fabrication.
>
> Susan reiterates since Larson and the rest just constantly repeat
> their lies:
> Why then do you keep it?
>
> Larson continues:
> >It is entered in the
> >Congressional Record as PROOF of wrongdoing by people supporting a
> >non-Catholic candidate against a Catholic candidate in elections in the
> >early 1900s.
>
> Susan reiterates:
> What proof do you have of this? Just because another Catholic says so?
> Where is the evidence?
>
> Now listen to the strange way Larson condemns the Jesuit Oath, still
> with the lie claiming it is a fabrication:
> >I condemn the lie called various things - the Jesuit Oath, the Knights of
> >Columbus Oath, the Priest's Oath in it's entirety and many forms.
>
> Susan requests:
> Tell us about the hate found in it. Expound upon it. You are avoiding
> doing that BECAUSE YOU DO MANY OF THE THINGS PRESCRIBED IN IT!
>
> Larson, speaking to the other killers:
> >Susan
> >won't be satisfied with that.
>
> Susan again responds:
> Not till you stop keeping the Oath!
>
> Larson, speaking to the other killers:
> >Susan thinks that condemning the entire thing
> >isn't good enough, that someone should go through and condemn it line by
> >line.
>
> Susan responds:
> Susan thinks that condemning Susan line by line constantly and
> continually is more than good enough since I killed no one and you all
> pretended to go nuts about hate, but have only been accusing me of it
> and don't go nuts at the horrible words of the most hateful document
> known to man that the Ustashis and others of your colleagues, along
> with yourselves, kept.
>
> Larson now again condemns the Jesuit Oath, still with the lie that it
> is not true. These have told us it is impossible to condemn a fake
> document. Now, well, they changed their minds again and saw the light
> always first recognized by the Vaticanly mentally ill:
> >Fine... I condemn EACH AND EVERY LINE of the many forms of the lie called
> >the Jesuit Oath. The hatred within such a lie is to be completely
condemned.
>
> Susan responds:
> Tell us about those lines as you went through all hell in your
> obedience to the Jesuit Oath to show that we are the most hateful and
> lying people in the world. What sense does it make constantly trailing
> us line by line when we have killed no one?
>
> Larson continues:
> >I further condemn the hatred and malice in the people who manufactured
such
> >a lie.
>
> Susan repeats again:
> Expound upon it and compare those people who made the Oath to the hate
> you all claimed and spent hours line by line trying to show that was
> contained in us for being upset about killers both in history and
> Seeber who just recently condemned human life.
>
>
> In His Grace,
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
>
> Question more forcefully represented in my questions against the
> abominable Stephen Quist:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.religion.christian.adventist+ins
ubject:condemn+insubject:the+insubject:Jesuit+insubject:Oath&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT
F-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=bdrj3vk1ignsva7sqfont0ven6vsn19ihm%404ax.com&rnum=3
>
> TAKE NOTE OF ALL HIS TACTICS!!!
>
> Search Result 3
> From: Susan Williams (salet...@rocketmail.com)
> Subject: #HARD FOR JESUITS TO CONDEMN THE JESUIT OATH!!
> This is the only article in this thread
> View: Original Format
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
> Date: 2003-01-30 19:31:53 PST
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:14:16 -0700, "Stephen Quist"
> <qui...@NmOsSePiA-Mco.com> wrote:
>
> >Susan Williams wrote:
> >:: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:59:37 -0700, "Stephen Quist"
> >:: <qui...@NmOsSePiA-Mco.com> wrote:
> >::
> >::: Susan Williams wrote:
> >::::: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:47:12 -0700, "Stephen Quist"
> >::::: <qui...@NmOsSePiA-Mco.com> wrote:
> >:::::
> >:::::: Susan Williams wrote: [regarding the Jesuit Oath]
> >::::::
> >:::::::: NO REASON HAS BEEN GIVEN YET FOR WHY SO MANY PEOPLE KEEP IT,
> >:::::::: AND WHY THOSE SAME PEOPLE REFUSE TO CONDEMN THE HATE FOUND
> >:::::::: WITHIN IT THOUGH OTHER DOCUMENTS AND OTHER CLAIMS ARE
> >:::::::: CONDEMNED FOR HATE WITHOUT A PROBLEM!
>
> Stephen Quist:
> >:::::: What is it you want?
> >::::::
> >:::::: This?
> >::::::
> >:::::: I condemn the hate found in the so-called Jesuit Oath. I abjure
> >:::::: it. That the Jesuit Oath is a fraud in no way diminishes the
> >:::::: condemnation I give its spirit of hate.
> >::::::
> >:::::: I condemn the hate that drove someone to invent this fraud.
> >::::::
> >:::::: OK?
>
> Susan Williams:
> >::::: Can you be just a little more specific so that the time you used
> >::::: to go nuts over out posts may somehow even hope to match up with
> >::::: the worst and most hateful document found in the world today?
>
> Stephen Quist:
> >::: It stands condemned in its entirety. What is the point of condemning
> >::: each of its vile clauses?
>
> Susan Williams:
> >:: First answer why you damned keepers of the Jesuit Oath found it
> >:: necessary to condemn each and every movement of myself and Brother
> >:: Ted and now reason with your Jesuit Oath selves to ask what is the
> >:: point of condemning THE MOST HATEFUL DOCUMENT KNOWN TO MAN PIECE BY
> >:: PIECE WITH EACH OF ITS VILE CLAUSES??
>
> Stephen Quist using his supreme training in deceit to lengthen out an
> argument continuing to ask the question:
> >But we did condemn it. Entirely. Is there a point to going through
> >it clause by vile clause?
>
> Susan Williams has to repeat herself constantly:
> What is the point going through us with accusations of insanity,
> irrantionality, hate, and mental illness clause by clause again?
>
> I mean, Antichrist Quist, WHY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS WHEN THE JESUIT
> OATH FREES YOU FROM DOING SO?
>
> By the way, why did we have to time you sinister killers by the
> calendar year before you even thought to condemn the most hateful
> document known to man? What was all that stalling by telling us since
> the document is fake it must not be commented upon?
>
> Susan Williams:
> >::::: Why no comment about the damned people who conceived it??
>
> Stephen Quist:
> >::: I did make a comment when I said, "I condemn the hate that drove
> >::: someone to invent this fraud."
>
> Susan Williams:
> >:: Why couldn't you have just condemned Brother Ted and myself that way?
> >:: Why couldn't your superb reasoning hold by just saying to your damned
> >:: Jesuit Oath selves: "Ted McMillan and Susan stand condemned in their
> >:: entirety. What is the point of condemning each and everything they
> >:: do and trail their posts?"
>
> Stephen Quist:
> >I don't condemn you.
>
> Susan Williams:
> As I said before you decided to obey the Jesuit Oath again: Why
> couldn't you have just condemned Brother Ted and myself that way?
> Why couldn't your superb reasoning hold by just saying to your damned
> Jesuit Oath selves: "Ted McMillan and Susan stand condemned in their
> entirety. What is the point of condemning each and everything they do
> and trail their posts?"
>
> Stephen Quist:
> >::: I condemn the person or people who
> >::: strove to cast aspersions on faithful Catholics by inventing this
> >::: document which was designed to deceive the ignorant.
>
> Susan Williams:
> >:: You mean like Ted McMillan and me? Why can't you just condemn us in
> >:: our entirety? Why make such...
>
> Stephen Quist cut off the statement in his response in order to more
> put readers in circles by saying:
> >No. I do not believe you wrote that document. Did you?
> >
> >Steve
>
> Susan Williams:
> Again I say,
>
> You mean like Ted McMillan and me? Why can't you just condemn us in
> our entirety SINCE YOU OBEYED THE JESUIT OATH AND LIED SAYING THAT WE
> STROVE TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON FAITHFUL CATHOLICS??
>
> The Jesuit Oath is known to make a man deadly, mean and without
> conscience...
>
> NOWHERE DO WE SEE IT MAKING MEN STUPID UNLESS IT IS WILLINGLY SO!!
>
>
> In His Grace,
>
>
> Susan
>
>
> What are they doing here? Are they really condemning the Jesuit Oath?
> Frankly NO! What they are doing is making it look like it's
> condemned, but they are at the same time protecting themselves from
> the Inquisition to come. They claim that they condemn EVERY HATEFUL
> line in the Jesuit Oath and the Ustashis. The issue then becomes,
> WHAT IN THE JESUIT OATH IS HATEFUL, AND WHAT DID THE USTASHIS EVER DO
> THAT WAS HATEFUL.
>
> <<<<IN STEPHEN QUISTS MIND, HOW MANY HATEFUL THINGS DID THE USTASHIS
> DO? IN STEPHEN QUIST'S DARK MIND, WHAT IN THE JESUIT OATH IS HATEFUL?
> WHAT IN THE ACTIONS OF THE USTASHIS AND IN THE JESUIT OATH IS HATEFUL
> TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER TO COME UNDER UNION WITH ROME??? THE ANSWER
> IS:
>
> NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH! ZIP!
>
> Now watch again the comparison to how these people claimed to have
> condemned the Jesuit Oath, in comparison to how they condemn us. In
> this example we will take a look at Larson again:
>
> Larson despots to us that we do hate Catholics citing our exposes
> about them and going into details he refused to do with the Jesuit
> Oath and the Ustashis. The argument for sharing of blame again fails
> here:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hate+catholics+quist+group:alt.religion.ch
ristian.adventist+author:Larson&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3e43ad8f%24
1_6%40news4.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
>
> ==============================
> From: Larson (mye...@isprivate.com)
> Subject: Re: #WHY CONSTANTLY CONDEMN THE JESUIT OATH??
> View: Complete Thread (113 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
> Date: 2003-02-07 05:19:19 PST
>
> > >> > "? R. L. Measures" <^2...@vc.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:^2-0502030...@207.178.185.100...
> > >> > > In article <3E4049DF...@yahoo.com>, "Tom A."
> > >> > > <meteoric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >...
> > >> > > > >>>** Do Hindus and Jews go to Heaven ?
> > >> > > > >>
> Larson:
> > >> > > > >>They do, if they die with saving grace.
>
> R. L. Measures:
> > >> > > > > ** such as ?
>
> Larson:
> > >> > > > Such as what?
>
> R. L. Measures:
> > >> > > ** what is an example "saving grace"?
>
> Larson:
> > >> > God's blessing on them, welcoming them into Heaven.
>
> R. L. Measures:
> > >> ** so there's even a chance for them damned witches the Church burned
at
> > >> the stake prior to 1830?
>
> Larson:
> > >Actually, generally Protestants burned witches...
>
> R. L. Measures:
> > >There's a chance for everyone Rich.
>
> Susan Williams intervenes:
> > You mean there's a chance for the man who condemned all non-Catholics
> > to persecution and death possessing the same beliefs as the Ustashis?
>
> Larson:
> There is a chance for everyone. The question is do we do what is
> required to accept that chance?
>
> Susan Williams:
> > He just spoke words and committed no crime, but when we reported it,
> > we hated Catholics and were very evil criminals?
>
> Larson:
> You do hate catholics.... you continually post hateful lies about
> Catholics... me, Stephen Quist, and others.
>
>
>
> Notice how he not only gave the condemnation, BUT WENT INTO WHY! He
> said we do hate Catholics, and then went into the BECAUSE! This was
> something he always refused to do with the most hateful specimens of
> human beings known to man.
>
> Brother Ted found a devastating article about Japan trying to cover
> her record of historical atrocities in her textbooks. He then entered
> that article on his website:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Contention.htm
>
> In that article, an old Korean woman who was forced to provide sex for
> Japanese soldiers during WWII strongly protested against the Japanese
> government for doing that. She demanded that the Japanese government
> post her past record of her atrocities. From this, Brother McMillan
> has constantly been asking the strange posters on the internet
> constantly accusing him of hating ALL CATHOLICS, HOW COME THE KOREAN
> WOMAN HATES ALL JAPANESE PEOPLE!! Again, another question they
> constantly ignored. The Korean lady noted one great identifier of her
> persecutors and torturers during WWII WAS THEIR PROFOUND ABILITY AT
> LYING. When she noted Japanese officials having that ability and
> doing their best to cover over their past history of atrocities, SHE
> UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE WERE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME THOUGHTS AND
> CAPABILITIES!
>
> But if you believe that all Christians were like that and just
> outrightly persecuted and tortured like the Vatican has trained her
> servants to do always and as we are being deceived into thinking,
> please study the following webpage:
>
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/RomeProtestantsSame.htm
>
> This link proves that the killings we are talking about with the
> Ustashis and documented in Protestant historical literature WERE
> FUELED BY DOCTRINAL MANDATE!! We can show you written documents where
> they confirm it is a stated mandate of their religion to kill all
> those who differ with them in religion! Such documents cannot be
> found in Protestant literature!
>
> All this was documented on the Jack Chick website where we were warned
> THAT THE INQUISITION IS COMING BACK! The new Anti-terrorism campaign
> IS SECRETLY THE TONGUE OF THE INQUISITION!! Is what we are saying
> real?
>
> WE KNOW YOU WILL HAVE TROUBLE GETTING MANY SUCH PEOPLE TO CONDEMN THE
> ATROCITIES WE HAVE BROUGHT UP PIECE BY PIECE AS SHOWN HERE! WE ARE
> TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE EVEN AROUND YOU! You should work to test out for
> yourselves even people in influence, in positions in church and in
> state to condemn these most hateful of all documented atrocities that
> make Osama Bin Laden look like Gumby! Rome is noted for finally
> making apologies for her unmatched history. She has however done so
> in the same way as the trained killers we have shown you above. There
> is no specific pointing to the actions. There are just basic
> statements about her sins. Is the reason for that because it is
> embarrassing? Not really. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT ROME KNOWS
> THESE THINGS MUST CONTINUED BASED UPON HER NATURE. SHE ACTUALLY
> THINKS THOSE ATROCITIES ARE BOTH DUTY AND PLEASURE!
>
> What has she done historically that she now considers hateful or sins?
> The answer is the same as how many hateful things Stephen Quist
> believes the Ustashis committed and the Jesuit Oath documents. The
> answer is NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH! ZIP! Proof is that we see her
> trained killer scoundrels showing their training on the newsgroups,
> and with that we have documentation that most who are trusted and in
> power and influence are secretly the same!
>
> In His Grace,
>
>
>
> Susan
>
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