Why had to leave WTS.
Mr. Bean
reasoning the WTS is using and I do not recall if I ever heard reasoning
like this one.
When I was dobbed, elders came to my home and they were concerned
with one question.
Do you still believe that the WTS is 'holy spirit directed God's
organization'???
Now I do fully understand stupidity of remaining JW's and my own.
For God's sake, all evidences are against that statement!!!
More than 150 false predictions and prophecies, lunatics like Russell with
his
pyramids, self proclaimed drunkard 'judge' Rutherford, House of Princess
etc, etc...
NO SINGLE EVIDENCE THAT WTS IS HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTED!!!
It is like the WTS forcing others to believe that red is black, despite
obvious
evidences. It is awful totalitaryzm and absolutism.
On one web page I've just read that the biggest drug known to man is desire
of power. it is like a most powerful drug. That's what these monsters at
the WTS enjoying! Heaps of money, expensive cars and nearly unlimited power
over few millions of unsuspecting JW's.
That is the key to this phenomena. these guys are after an absolute power.
And I was an absolute idiot, who has devoted few thousand hours of hard
work,
20 of my best years for their lust for the power! And I've prepared and
baptized
10 new suckers, had several public talks and I was bloody ministerial
servant!
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
I can live with that, but I have to tell you one very sad event, which still
hurts me
like a thorn at my back. My bellowed father was a brave man and very kind
person.
I can't tell the same about my mother.<g> He had the cancer. When I had to
leave my country,
he didn't talked to me because than I was a stupid JW. He was suffering so
much,
because I was wasting my education, youth, good name and simply my way was
an
idiotic one. He never was able to get any decent 'apostate' material to get
me out.
I was happy because I was... suffering for Jehovah!!!
I never saw him again. We never visited our country because we lost our
families
to that cruel stupid cult and we did not have any desire to see our
families. My poor
father suffered a lot before he died from the cancer. I never saw his grave.
He never
wrote me a letter after I've left my country 18 years ago.
When he died, I've cried a little, hoping that I will se him very soon
because Armageddon
was so close. When I have realized how stupid I was and how I was deceived,
that I really
cried and still do sometimes, because I was so cruel toward my own father
:-(
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU THAT, YOU CRUEL, EVIL, POWER HUNGRY
DEVIL'S OWN ORGANIZATION!!!
I'm going to hurt you back! And I will able to do it efficiently soon.
When right time will come.
Peace to all people of good will....
Rida
I know how you feel. Betrayal, especially self-betrayal, is a terrible
thing. But life is a perpetual school. We gain a great wisdom through loss,
pain and suffering. I hope you won't cease writing about your experience for
everyone to learn.
God bless,
Rida
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Barb Hoy
father. Although I didn't spend as much time as you did as a JW, my mother
and my brother and I left my father's house because he was a non-believer
and my mother said she couldn't live with him anymore. Although we were
able to somewhat patch our relationship together again after I left the KH,
our relationship was never the same again. Too much pain, too much
alienation. My father and I were never able to regain the close
relationship we had before I started studying. He died 5 years ago and I
still miss him very much.
At least for me, I was able to ask him for forgiveness for the way we
treated him. I wish it could have been the same for you. But I now believe
my father is looking down at me and I talk to him often. Maybe that will
help you. Let go of your anger, it will only eat away at you. 20 years
later, I have finally been able to let go of mine. It took awhile for me,
because I didn't really face up to it until just recently. But since I have
let it go, my outlook on my own life has changed quite a bit. I realize how
lucky I was to have my father in my life, and how lucky I am to be free of
the WTBS.
I hope you can find peace.
Barb
Mr. Bean <mrb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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X-racer
"Mr. Bean" wrote:
> That is the key to this phenomena. these guys are after an absolute power.
They had such "absolute power" in this readers mind that he/she left of
one's own free will.
A contradiction of conviction, wouldn't you say?
> I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU THAT, YOU CRUEL, EVIL, POWER HUNGRY DEVIL'S OWN
> ORGANIZATION!!!
Too bad, too bad this person didn't name GOD'S OWN ORGANIZATION!!!
Then we might actual see a credible argument.
X-racer
_____________________
Manufacture of public opinion.
Ralph Waldo Emerson - "Success," Society and Solitude
Mr. Bean
I just wonder how many families were devastated, destroyed, broken up
because one member got indoctrinated with that dangerous BS of the WTS.
Some members of families are trying very hard to convince intoxicated
members that they are getting into trouble and maybe they some times going
to far. But, they doing it because they do love their beloved ones.
Sometimes they even go to the extend to getting baptized and serve for while
as publishers.
Thanks God for the Internet and people like Randy, Kent, Jan, Jim and few
other (Hi Doc Bob!) I forgotten because their work stopped quiet efficiently
progress of that evil organization. Every time I talk to some one who has
this kind of problem, I just giving them few links and the job is done.
I've wrote before, that I prepared 10 persons to be baptized. 6 years after
that, and 7 is all ready out. Other three want talk to me! ;-P I do feel bad
about it.
Several people were referred to me for help and I think I prevented at least
5 serious Kingdom Hall goers from being baptized. ;-D
I have seen many mixed families on meetings were members were calling them
Philistines etc. One elder had 30 years of happy marriage and his poor
wife was putting up through more than 15 years with his devotion to WTS and
time he has spending with WTS being an elder. He was very nice guy. When he
has retired from his well paid government job, he has decided to be full
time pioneer. His wife could not put up with this idea and they were
divorced. She had enough. She thought that he will spend now more time with
here and she needed him because menopause etc.
Very sad story.
"X-racer" <GoS...@Racer.go> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Mr. Bean" wrote:
>
> > That is the key to this phenomena. these guys are after an absolute
power.
>
> They had such "absolute power" in this readers mind that he/she left
of
> one's own free will.
>
> A contradiction of conviction, wouldn't you say?
I don't think it is a contradiction at all. When terrorist gets you as a
hostage and you are not tied up, you are still free to go. He may shot you
or you will be lucky escapee.
In case of this terrorist organization, you do have similar freedom. You can
go, but you may loose your job (If rely on JW's or you are employed by
one.), loose your wife, husband, whole family and possibly all friends.
World will avoid you because they think you are and idiot -JW.You could be
tottaly alone in the whole world!
I know many JW who do not belive at all and because of their families, they
stay and sometimes they go to the meetings, fiill these stupid records card
putting utter rubbish there as a casual preching. ;-P That way reports are
still high.
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU THAT, O HAUGHTY WATCHTOWER, CRUEL, EVIL, THE POWER
HUNGRY DEVIL'S OWN ORGANIZATION!!!
That's better!? ;-P
> Too bad, too bad this person didn't name GOD'S OWN ORGANIZATION!!!
>
> Then we might actual see a credible argument.
Peace... Not to WTS!
BTW. Why do I hate them? Because, after reading Franz' books and some
experiences, I know that the governing body do lie with full, well detailed
knowledge of it. They are not indoctrinated at all. (Most of them anyway)
1770
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>
>
Maybe he thought it would just be common sense, obviously not for the likes
of you. So here it is...
"Spiritual Israel" which the JW's around here told me "they are". HUH! It is
not called "Solid Israel". No man created church is truly God Organisation.
Comments like yours are just plain primary school. Get re-educated!
1770
V.A
I am still a JW but hasn't done anything in it for a couple of years now.
I don't like the doctrine and they have made me unsure of both God and
forgiveness. I hate to admit it, but if there is a shred of truth that maybe
they hold the mark to survive, I have to maybe not quit the organisation
per se, just in case. It still sticks that it can be the only ticket to eternal life,
I don't really doubt the bible when it talks about armageddon and all that.
I know God has been hard and judgeful before, and can be it again.
One day all will culminate, and who else talks about this relentlessly but
the JW? I don't want to talk to the elderly, and my JW mom treats me
nice (she decided to after realising going around resentful against me,
as she should according to the doctrine). But of course she has this
picture of me being a flaming sinner and sleeping with everything that
walks. She thinks anybody who's departed are like that. She doesn't
even say that I should expell myself from the organisation, I think she
wants to leave hope that I will survive so it's best I be 'in' it...
Veronica
Lassie's Tim
Mr. Bean, all of us XJW's have our hurts, our memories that haunt the
nights when we cannot sleep, the loved ones torn from us for no reason
other than the need for a few self-deluded overlords to mainatin
absolute control over our lives. That said, however, the time for
letting go comes. It's been 16 years for me since i left the WT. I was
an elder, a former pioneer, i had given up a lot for that nonsensical
religion. But when it came down to it: they were choices I made. I
chose to pass up college scholarships, I chose to get married in a
pre-approved loveless arrangement, I chose to disfellowship people for
stuffing leaves into their motuh and lighting them. I made bad
choices. Then one day i made a good one. Getting the hell out of
there.
I know the anger that you feel and your desire to hurt them. But they
are beyond your efforts. They are madmen. They are also not worth it.
There is a big wonderful world around you filled with joy and love and
people who will really care about you. Don't waste your life seeking
vengeance on a false religion. It's like spending your time being
angry at the Nazi's. The war is over. Rebuild. Let ehm rot in the hell
they have chosen to live in. You chose life. Now live.
Peace.
Lassie's Tim
Yeah_right
don't have a problem with serving GOD, but I do have a problem with serving
a man made publishing organization that is the WTS and having so-called
"spritually mature" men exercising complete control over my life. I
refuse to live my life at the wimps of a governing body of "anointed" old
men, wasting away the best years of my life on what any knucklehead if
they're thinking can clearly see is nothing more than a pyramid scheme.
There's not much difference at all between the WTS and Primerica.
I've heard it all over the place and it actually happened to me. When I
decided I needed to go back to school to get better employment, the elders
in the KH came to my home also to "adjust" my thinking. When one implied
that upon finishing that I'd only be making minimum wage, I decided then
that I'd had enough.
Everytime the issue of 1975, ever-changing doctrines, the fluid blood issue,
and the society's past stand on higher education come up, the fast talking
JW's will tell you that these events never happened. They'll tell you that
there is no documentation to support it, but it's there...in their own
material. They'll explain away any change that's negatively affected
millions of people as "new light" getting brighter and that there was just a
lack of faith on the part of those not in or have chosen to leave....that
they were just serving for a time....for selfish purposes.
I still know people in "the trooth" (misspelling intentional), and I still
wonder how they could blindly follow without question what comes down from
that stage. Going in you're encouraged to research and test your current
faith against history and the bible...that is until you're in. After that,
if you question anything in the smallest degree, if your thinking is not
"adjusted" you're quickly labeled a troublemaker and df'd. They'll tell
you that this is for the spiritual health of the congregation, but it's more
to keep the rank and file in line more than anything else.
"Mr. Bean" <mrb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mr. Bean
"Lassie's Tim" <timer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr. Bean" <mrb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Bean, all of us XJW's have our hurts, our memories that haunt the
> nights when we cannot sleep, the loved ones torn from us for no reason
> other than the need for a few self-deluded overlords to mainatin
> absolute control over our lives. That said, however, the time for
> letting go comes. It's been 16 years for me since i left the WT. I was
> an elder, a former pioneer, i had given up a lot for that nonsensical
> religion. But when it came down to it: they were choices I made. I
> chose to pass up college scholarships, I chose to get married in a
> pre-approved loveless arrangement, I chose to disfellowship people for
> stuffing leaves into their motuh and lighting them. I made bad
> choices. Then one day i made a good one. Getting the hell out of
> there.
>
> I know the anger that you feel and your desire to hurt them. But they
> are beyond your efforts. They are madmen. They are also not worth it.
> There is a big wonderful world around you filled with joy and love and
> people who will really care about you. Don't waste your life seeking
> vengeance on a false religion. It's like spending your time being
> angry at the Nazi's. The war is over. Rebuild. Let ehm rot in the hell
> they have chosen to live in. You chose life. Now live.
You are absolutely correct.
However, my revenge going to be a sweet one, for me, others and very bitter
for BOSSES in trooth. (I'm buying the license for it! Yeah_right.) ;-P
It is not so much a revenge. I'm planning to inform as many JW's as possible
about WTS lies, hoping that many will leave. That way I'll rather help JW's
and hurt WTS in the same time. I do care more about helping JW's than
hurting WTS.
It hurting would be the only option, I would leave them alone. I have wasted
enough time with them.
I do hope I'll have an access to world wide media, TV, radio stations etc.
I all ready do have some access but on the horizon is something much bigger
and real. If this will work for me, than WTS will be in big trouble ;-D
Peace...
1770
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Dear Veronica
It sounds like your mother has a hold on you as much as the WT.
Rest assured the WT are not going to save you! You are not missing out!
Just remember this "you cannot serve two masters". In other words you cannot
hold on to the WT "just in case". It does not work like that.
Your situation is difficult because you want to please your mum too. Try to
leave the WT "quietly".
"God has been hard and judgeful before". This is just a fear tactic the WT
uses to keep you in line. God is Love!
Good luck.
Tallyman
Lassie's Tim wrote:
>
> "Mr. Bean" <mrb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<DUCZ7.35949$wD1.2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > 6 years after leaving God's organization I have realized, how twisted
> > reasoning the WTS is using and I do not recall if I ever heard reasoning
> > like this one.
> >
> > When I was dobbed, elders came to my home and they were concerned
> > with one question.
> >
> > Do you still believe that the WTS is 'holy spirit directed God's
> > organization'???
> >
> > Now I do fully understand stupidity of remaining JW's and my own.
> I know the anger that you feel and your desire to hurt them. But they
> are beyond your efforts. They are madmen. They are also not worth it.
> There is a big wonderful world around you filled with joy and love and
> people who will really care about you. Don't waste your life seeking
> vengeance on a false religion. It's like spending your time being
> angry at the Nazi's. The war is over. Rebuild. Let ehm rot in the hell
> they have chosen to live in. You chose life. Now live.
>
> Peace.
>
> Lassie's Tim
LT, we respectfully DISagree.
Yes, there's a wonderful post-WTCult life out there,
and one can live life much more fully
after exiting the Evil Cult...
and STILL help and serve their fellow man,
which has its own set of rewards.
After all, those of us, not born into the WTCult,
who entered it, with the intent of serving our fellow humans,
all idealistic and stuff... now that we're out, and full of
HARD EXPERIENCE concerning the Wicked Watchtower,
can come here on the Net, the most powerful communications
tool devised by the minds of men and women...
and EXPOSE the Filthy Cult and put the proper label-
the Deadly Skull & Crossbones ON TO that Happy Face Bottle
of Watchtowercult POISON...
to warn others away, to save them heartache, to inform them
for Godsakes!
I'm out for 10 years now, but I STILL have people inside
the cult that I helped indoctrinate and baptise into
that Foul Crock of Cult Crap...
so, how do you think one like me feels about that?
Am I gonna turn my back on all the Wicked Works I engaged
in, when I was in the Watchtower Cult, or am I going
to put that 20 years of Experience to good use,
and help other?
I derive IMMENSE Satisfaction from hearing yet ANOTHER
jehovah Witness that snuck online to see the 'other side',
the DARK SIDE of the WTCult... say:
"HOW THE HELL COULD I HAVE GOTTEN SUCKED INTO THIS???
I'M OUTTA THERE!!!"
It please me no end, to "share, share, share",
and "spread the LOve"!
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
LOve, Tallyman
Tallyman
Lassie's Tim
Okay: confession time. I dig your website. I was born into the JW's
(3rd generation, elder/pioneer, all that theocratic BS). And I spent
several years doing the anti-JW thing in the late '80's (even serving
for awhile as the president of the one of the earliest ex-JW national
ministries, Biblical Research and Commentary Int'l, which hosted a
national toll-free info-line back in those pre-internet days). But
finally it all seemed so irrelevant. For those who are called to it, I
say, "Get 'em and get 'em good!" I just wasn't called, I guess. Today,
few of my friends even know about my life as a cultist.
But my comments were less about anti-cult tactics in general than Mr.
Bean's revenge philosophy in particular. Yeah, I admit that I once
harbored secret fantasies of kidnapping the entire GB and throwing
them one at a time off the top of the World Trade Center (have to find
a new place if I ever get THAT fantasy again, I suppose.) Mr. Bean
seems just a trifle, shall we say, unsettled, in his feelings about
the WT. I just wanted to remind him that they are not worth doing
anything which is immoral or inhuman. They are mad. We are angry.
There is a difference.
In any case, thanks for the post. Keep up the pressure on the WT. (By
the way, that Paradise book picture really screwed me up as a kid. It
still scares the shit out of me when I see it on your website.)
Peace,
Lassie's Tim
Mr. Bean
"Lassie's Tim" <timer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> But my comments were less about anti-cult tactics in general than Mr.
> Bean's revenge philosophy in particular. Yeah, I admit that I once
> harbored secret fantasies of kidnapping the entire GB and throwing
> them one at a time off the top of the World Trade Center (have to find
> a new place if I ever get THAT fantasy again, I suppose.) Mr. Bean
> seems just a trifle, shall we say, unsettled, in his feelings about
> the WT. I just wanted to remind him that they are not worth doing
> anything which is immoral or inhuman. They are mad. We are angry.
> There is a difference.
>
> In any case, thanks for the post. Keep up the pressure on the WT. (By
> the way, that Paradise book picture really screwed me up as a kid. It
> still scares the shit out of me when I see it on your website.)
No way! I'm not going to ANYTHING immoral or inhuman. Actually I can tell
what I may do.
If things will work for me, I will organized a TV program, maybe two, which
will show to whole world what the WTS really is. So far I saw only one video
not bad quality but IMHO that video was made well against WTS and to much of
typical jargon WTS was used.
What I'm thinking is use as simple language as possible (You can count on
it.) and use very simple comparisons and reasoning.
The goal would be to tell JW where to look for an alternative answer and to
people who are in danger of being intoxicated with the trOOth, where to turn
for help. Mainly I will try to convince many to check upon the WTS. To look
on other side of the coin. To trigger their thinking. That all.
I will use the best tricks in the psychological world to get the message as
efficiently as possible.
Peace...
Veronica A
"Tallyman" <tall...@intrex.net> skrev i melding news:3C388FE4...@intrex.net...
> ANOTHER Success Story! there are SOoo many!
I don't feel like a success story..I know too much
of what the bible says.. I am scared of the 'end'
and of God. What's the point if everyone shall survive,
then we'll have the same bad world over again.
V
X-Poze D'Wicked WT
Veronica A <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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> I don't feel like a success story..I know too much
> of what the bible says.. I am scared of the 'end'
> and of God. What's the point if everyone shall survive,
> then we'll have the same bad world over again.
Since the bible claims all man are sinful, there wont be ANY people left at
all... so this vicious god must forgive all or none at all.
--
Duron & Little Sheba....
"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness
to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
(H. L. Mencken)
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Lassie's Tim
Veronica, none of us is a success story yet. We are all works in
progress. Even the universe, in all its wonder, is in a constantly
developing state: new galaxies are born and old ones die. Planets spin
around the hulks of burned out stars and gases fly out into swirling
nuclei and start all over again. Why didn't God just "speak it all
into existence?" I don't know. Maybe it's something in God's nature
which makes Him/Her/It want to see creation develop. Maybe God is
co-creating with us. I don't know. I do know this: what you think you
know about the Bible is probably wrong. You most likely learned it
from the same people who brought you Armageddon in 1975. There is
nothing to be afraid of in God. If God exists (and I believe that
there is good reason to think that God does exist!) then God's nature
by definition is to seek commumnion with the creation. All those scary
parts of the Bible are not so scary when you read them in the
historical context in which they were written. "Apocalyptic"
literature (those scary parts about the moon turning to blood and
earth growing dark) are just so much poetry. The people who wrote them
no more intended for you to take them literally than did Lewis Carroll
when he wrote "Through the Looking Glass." The "end of the world" may
come because of human stupidity, but not because God zaps people who
don't understand the subtle nuances of koine Greek. In the meantime,
read about Jesus. Read what those who were closest to him said about
him. See how he treats the little ones who are scared because
religious nutcases are trying to enslave them. See how he just wants
to wrap his arms around the children (which all of us are). Funny
thing is, he got killed for telling people that they were all equal,
that the religion they thought was superior to all others was just so
much empty nonsense, for telling people to love their enemies and pray
for those who hated them. He stood up to the powers of the world and
said that all their power was a charade and that the only real power
in the universe comes when somebody becomes totally vulnerable and
gives his life for his friends. That's not a God to be afraid of.
That's a God to welcome into your life.
One of my favorite Bible characters is Mary Magdelene. She had been
possessed by demons (don't ask me what they are, I have no bloody
idea...), she may have even been a prostitute. But she knew true Love
when she saw it and she saw it in Jesus. She followed him around like
a puppy dog. And when he rose from the dead, who was the first to see
him? You got it: Mary Magdelene. Now according to the WT she had every
reason to be afraid: she was a woman of ill repute. She was poor, she
was uneducated. But none of that mattered to Jesus. He loved her and
made her his own.
Try this for a week. Whenever you become afraid of God, think of
Jesus: with his head back in a laugh, a chalice of wine pressed to his
lips, his arms around you, as you and he sit beside a fire and
remember all the good times in your lives together. There is nothing
to be afraid of. He loves you with a perfect, all encompassing love.
Peace,
Lassie's Tim
Veronica A
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Will he forgive Osama bin Laden too?
Mr. Bean
> Will he forgive Osama bin Laden too?
If he has done something wrong, maybe. So there is not a single evidence he
has done it. there are more evidences that he did not do it than he did.
Don't forget that the first casualty of every war is the truth.
IMHO, if Osama would that powerful as US government says, for what USA have
done to Afghanistan, there would be many more explosions and terrorist
attacks and possibly a nuclear explosion as well. Since Osama's organization
is and always was powerless against USA or other countries,
like Russia (They never blew anything in Russia during 10 years of war.)
I don't believe one word in USA war propaganda that Osama has done it,
especially if they 'prepared' that infamous video against him.
All of this is a movement to secure oil against China. The next step will be
Somalia, (A lot of oil there.) and Iraq, oil here as well. A lot of it.
The news goes that Libya has discovered recently huge oil fields. You bet
that Gadaffi "will do something as stupid" as Osama did and USA troops will
be in Libya as well.
The goal is New World Order. And oil is one of the keys to keep the rest of
the world under thumb. Plus... it is A LOT OF MONEY.
Peace...
jab...@netlord.org
sounds like a conspiracy
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Terry (AntiWT)
I predict that we will run out of oil before the New World Order comes to
be.
Gramps
Move the @ ahead of hot to email me.
X-Poze D'Wicked WT
>
> Will he forgive Osama bin Laden too?
Why not since this god butchered billions himself over the years......
--
Durondae...
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~~~<~~{@
Mr. Bean
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It does not!
It is the conspiracy!
The fact is, 75% of world oils belongs or is under
strict control of the government of USA and 50% of it in not on the
territory of the USA.
Peace...
Enkidu Waters
bit of how they get it!!!! They instigated the whole WTC attack themselves
in hopes of dousing people with their PROPAGANDA which is obviously working
caus 99% of the worlds population is too retarded to think for themselves!!!
This is so sad to see all these people believing all that is said on the
biggest censorship network called CNN, the way CNN works is the following,
Step one : Spokesman reads prepared statement detailing information
government wishes public to believe...
Step two : Reporters record information verbatim and ask a few superficial
questions which elicit evasice answers
Step three : Newspapers and television rewrite government press release to
give illusion of actual reportage and then disseminate information
Step four : public accepts government press release as verified facts
uncovered by a diligent press
Screw them all!!!!!!!!!!!
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>
>
X-racer
"Mr. Bean" wrote:
> No way! I'm not going to ANYTHING immoral or inhuman. Actually I can tell
> what I may do.
He drew first. . . OOPS.
Tom's brother was UNARMED!
X-racer
Mr. Bean
Top expert of mind control. Read his book
and substitute the word 'Cult' with "US media".
;-D
Part of it below....
http://www.butsudo.net/azi/Control/Eval/bite_model.htm
_________________________________________________
II. Information Control
1. Use of deception
a. Deliberately holding back information
b. Distorting information to make it acceptable
c. Outright lying
2. Access to non-cult sources of information minimized or discouraged
a. Books, articles, newspapers, magazines, TV, radio
b. Critical information
c. Former members
d. Keep members so busy they don't have time to think
3. Compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
a. Information is not freely accessible
b. Information varies at different levels and missions within pyramid
c. Leadership decides who "needs to know" what
4. Spying on other members is encouraged
a. Pairing up with "buddy" system to monitor and control
b. Reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership
5. Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda
a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc.
b. Misquotations, statements taken out of context from non-cult sources
6. Unethical use of confession
a. Information about "sins" used to abolish identity boundaries
b. Past "sins" used to manipulate and control; no forgiveness or absolution
III. Thought Control
1. Need to internalize the group's doctrine as "Truth"
a. Map = Reality
b. Black and White thinking
c. Good vs. evil
d. Us vs. them (inside vs. outside)
2. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés")
Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict
rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of
experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words".
3. Only "good" and "proper" thoughts are encouraged
4. Thought-stopping techniques
(to shut down "reality testing" by stopping "negative" thoughts and allowing
only "good" thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking,
constructive criticism.
a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
b. Chanting
c. Meditating
d. Praying
e. Speaking in "tongues"
f. Singing or humming
5. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as
legitimate
6. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful
IV. Emotional Control
1. Manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings.
2. Make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always
their fault, never the leader's or the group's.
3. Excessive use of guilt
a. Identity guilt
1. Who you are (not living up to your potential)
2. Your family
3. Your past
4. Your affiliations
5. Your thoughts, feelings, actions
b. Social guilt
c. Historical guilt
4. Excessive use of fear
a. Fear of thinking independently
b. Fear of the "outside" world
c. Fear of enemies
d. Fear of losing one's "salvation"
e. Fear of leaving the group or being shunned by group
f. Fear of disapproval
5. Extremes of emotional highs and lows.
6. Ritual and often public confession of "sins".
7. Phobia indoctrination programming of irrational fears
of ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader's authority. The
person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future
without being in the group.
"Enkidu Waters" <antip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John
home and wash water. I also use about 100 gallons of
gasoline per year to move me and automobiles. I do not know
how much of the electricity delivered to my house is
generated by burning petroleum.
I also like to eat. Much of my food is grown with the help
of petrochemical fertilizers and packed in petrochemical
plastics such a soda bottles.
I assume you do not use any petroleum products for heating,
transportation, electricity generation, fertilizer on your
food, or packaging for your food and beverages?
In article <L7Z_7.11750$9u6.45232@news-
server.bigpond.net.au>, mrb...@hotmail.com says...
Tallyman
X-racer wrote:
>
> "Mr. Bean" wrote:
>
> > No way! I'm not going to ANYTHING immoral or inhuman. Actually I can tell
> > what I may do.
> He drew first. . . OOPS.
"OOoops!" ...speaking of "drawing":
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
> Tom's brother was UNARMED!
And speaking of UN-armed, a LOT of INNOCENT people
lose their ARMS and Legs and other important body parts here:
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/WT_Evil.html
Testament to a Loving Cult's Art Department In Action!!
LOve, Tallyman
Mr. Bean
"John" <joh...@operamail.com> wrote in message
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> I use about one thousand gallons of oil per year to heat my
> home and wash water. I also use about 100 gallons of
> gasoline per year to move me and automobiles. I do not know
> how much of the electricity delivered to my house is
> generated by burning petroleum.
>
> I also like to eat. Much of my food is grown with the help
> of petrochemical fertilizers and packed in petrochemical
> plastics such a soda bottles.
>
> I assume you do not use any petroleum products for heating,
> transportation, electricity generation, fertilizer on your
> food, or packaging for your food and beverages?
Many cars in Brazil are running clean on alcohol.
World does not need oil.
Not that much anyway. There are more
than 500 patents, bought and frozen by oil companies and we are
not allowed to use them. There would be more than 100 patents about
easy and free energy from water, when you split oxygen and hydrogen.
Than you can burn that fuel in any engine without pollution. We do have
solutions but these one are frozen by oil companies because they want
to make more $'s. Because of that the Earth is polluted, and we are forced
to fight wars.
The world would be far better off without oil!
Do some research on alternative fuels and you will be suprised.
Peace...
Clandestine Ops
half that in a month and I don't get out much.
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>
The automobile industry spends billions every year to make cars more fuel
efficient.
The will spend millions to redesign solid working systems to save a few
ounces off the total weight of the car.
You would think that at least one of them would be greedy enough to look at
one of those alleged patents and design something similar.
You might think that the current evil empire would steal those patents and
market the cars.
No power on earth would keep the American or any other public from buying
one of these devices. The patent office and anybody trying to stop them
would be stomped into mush.
Patents can be read by most anybody. It's why Coca-cola is not patented.
If your imaginary toys existed greed would put them on the market.
You do some research on alternative power.
Start with solar cells.
When did the energy produced by them over their lifetime exceed the ENERGY
costs of making them?
Has the energy used in producing fiberglass insulation cost more than the
energy saved by proper use of the material?
If so when did this happen.
Do the words "pebble bed" mean anything to you?
Clandestine Ops
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Michael Painter
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> Coke is a trade secret and is not allowed a pat.
>
>
against it.
Had Coca-Cola patented their formula then (and for most things) about 25
years after it was patented the patent would have run out and anybody could
have duplicated the formula and sold or given it away.
That's why they kept it a trade secret.
If tomorrow I find those ingredients and people are smart enough to mix up a
gallon or so of the syrup, mostly sugar and water then Coke would be out of
business.
Clandestine Ops
Coca-Cola Formula
We’re pretty sure this is it . . .
Citrate Caffeine 1 oz.
Vanilla Extract 1 oz.
Extract of Coca 6 oz.
Citric Acid 3 oz.
Lime Juice 1 qt.
Sugar 27 lb.
Water 2.8 gal.
Caramel plenty
Orange Oil 12 gm.
Lemon Oil 6 gm.
Nutmeg Oil 9 gm.
Cinnamon Oil 10 gm.
Coriander Oil 4 gm.
Bay Leaves 3
Back
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you steal the Trade Name too!
John Reed
John REED, born in Indiana about 1879, moved with his family to Arkansas as
a small child. At the age of 19, he was an apprenticed to a pharmacist. He
attended a pharmacy college in St. Louis MO and after graduating served a
four years apprenticeship. He opened his own pharmacy in Marianna AR.
Reed moved his drugstore to Dyersburg in 1910 and brought the formula with
him. His first pharmacy was on the north side of the city's square but then
moved to the corner of Mill and Court streets.
Later, it moved to Harrell Avenue, across from the cotton mill.
It was during the time that he operated this pharmacy that he received the
formula from which he made Coke. Salesmen would come to the store and give
owners the formulas for things they needed to sell and owners would buy
their supplies from the salesmen. It is believed that John Reed obtained
the Coke formula from one of these salesmen.
Reed also had the formula for Dr. Pepper, then called Dr. Pepper's, but that
formula called for grain alcohol and has long since been changed.
The formula attributed to Reed does not have mixing instructions with it.
It is probably impossible to buy some of the ingredients over the counter
today.
COKE FORMULA
6 drams (.75 ounce) of fluid extract of cola
2 ounces of citric acid
4 ounces of citrate of caffeine
30 pounds of sugar
2 pints of lime juice
1 ounce extract of vanilla
2 gallons of water
'Doc' Reed as he was known in Dyersburg was the oldest practicing pharmacist
in the state of TN about 1964 when he retired at the age of 90. He died in
1965 and his formula was apparently destroyed along with store records. He
has sold the store when he retired and it stayed in operation several years
under the new ownership.
The formula was found in Dallas TX when Lee Williams, an 84-year-old
resident of a nursing home gave it to a reporter. Mr. Williams said he had
kept the formula locked up until Coke changed the formula and he saw no
reason to keep it secret.
Source: Dyer County Volume II - Past and Present
© Lynn Pierce McCandless - August 3, 1998.
Last updated -- Friday, 19-Jan-2001 12:23:53 MST
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The Legal aspect of Importation of Coca Leaf
The Stepan Company (a $400 million American Stock Exchange company) of
Maywood, New Jersey imports 175,000 KG of coca leaves into the United States
each year. The leaves come from some of the same farms that supply the
Columbian drug cartels. Its finished products end up into nearly everyone in
the United States.
One finished product of course is cocaine, which exit the buildings in
armored trucks. Tincture of cocaine is one application: in an ointment, it
numbs nerve endings in a hurry and it causes vasoconstriction (closure of
peripheral blood vessels). The same medical action that controls bleeding in
the emergency room is the one that rots away the bridge of a coke abuser's
nose.
The other major product is the coca in Coca-Cola©. The Coke formula is one
of the most closely guarded corporate secrets in America. The company
concedes to using a 'decocainized flavor essence in the coca leaves'-one of
the few Coke ingredients the company will publicly acknowledge. When asked
why the company uses such a troublesome product as coca leaves, its
representative said that 'each ingredient adds to the flavor profile.'
Flavor scientists say that the mysterious essence has no significant taste
of its own , but acts as an 'enhancer' PepsiCo Inc. does not use the coca
leaf. Flavor scientist Nicholas Feurstein thinks that the average guzzler
might well notice the difference if Coke stopped using it. ..
The very first batch of Coca-Cola contained an extract of coca leaves back
in 1886. Coke had in fact contained traces of cocaine ever since John 'Doc'
Pemberton created the drink. At the turn of the century, a public outcry
erupted against cocaine. Doctors and editorialists began taking aim at
Coca-Cola.
Now the company had a catch-22 problem. If it removed the coca leaf from the
product's manufacture, it could no longer defend use of the name. If cocaine
was used, an angry public would boycott Coca-Cola. An elaborate extraction
process was devised.
The leaf is ground up, mixed with sawdust, soaked in bicarbonate of soda,
percolated with toluene, steam blasted, mixed with powdered Kola nuts, and
then pasteurized. The Coke-Cola company, forever fearful of the DEA and the
drug lords, is a stickler on security and quality.
Drug lords have a less formal way to extract cocaine: they use kerosene as a
solvent; the drug leaches out like tea from a tea bag. Cocaine is then
recovered by evaporation.
.....
The Coca-Cola company itself is extremely squeamish about the subject of
coca leaves. A 1948 one-paragraph reference to the Maywood's production of
coca extract so enraged top Coke officials that they threatened to slash all
Wall Street Journal advertising in retaliation. An internal Coke memo,
unearthed by historian Frederick Allen blasted the Wall Street Journal s 'an
instrument of the chiselers and the substituters' and suggested sending
stories to the rival Journal of Commerce, 'which has not felt tempted to
publish bits or pieces of our formula.'
Coke anyone? ..... CJ '99
Resource
Miller, M. "Quality Stuff: Firm is Peddling Cocaine, and Deals are legit"
Wall Street Journal 27 Oct 1994.
Weil, A. "Letters from the Andes The New Politics of Coca" The New Yorker
May, 1995 pp70-80.
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Opportunities Today :- May 2001 Issue
THE SECRET FORMULA OF COKE (Still going strong after 114years)
On June 28, 1887 an Atlanta pharmacist and drug addict, Dr. John Pemberton,
then 56 years old, was granted the trademark Coca-Cola for a drink that he
had invented. An advertisement was placed in the Atlanta Journal describing
it as: "Delicious! Refreshing! Exhilarating! Invigorating!
The new and popular soda fountain drink contains the properties of the
wonderful coca plant and the famous cola nut." Indeed, it is named after
these ingredients - the coca plant is the rich source of cocaine and the
cola nut is rich in caffeine.
The city of Atlanta had recently voted to prohibit alcohol, and consequently
Coca-Cola sold well. It continued to sell well even after prohibition was
repealed later that year.
World's best seller
Pemberton had stumbled on a formula that was to become the world's best
selling soft drink. The recipe was kept a closely-guarded secret, supposedly
known only to the top two executives in the company.
In fact most of the major ingredients have always been common knowledge:
sugar, caramel, caffeine, phosphoric acid, lime juice, and vanilla essence.
There was never any cocaine as such in Coca-Cola, and the cola extract was
dropped from the recipe early on.
The acidity of the original drink was mainly due to citric acid, but this
was replaced with cheaper phosphoric acid.
Top secret
The secret formula of Coca-Cola was mix of flavourings that was given the
code 7X.
Indeed, the Coca-Cola company protected 7X so carefully that it was prepared
to defy court orders, and in 1977 it departed from India rather than reveal
it.
Over the years there were attempts to guess the blend of 7X, and other colas
were marketed. Because the essences of 7X were present in only tiny amounts
it was almost impossible to discover what these were by analysis.
In 1983, William Poundstone,, author of the book Big secrets, printed his
list of essential oils, of 7X: orange, lemon, nutmeg, cassia (also known as
Chinese cinnamon), coriander, neroli (from bitter-orange flower) and lime.
It was quite a shrewd guess.
Formula revealed
Of course modern analytical techniques will lay bare the intimate details of
any secret mixture, and so perhaps it was not unduly worrying for Coca-Cola
when Mark Prendergras finally published the contents of 7X in his book For
God, country and Coca-Cola in 1993.
He says that he came across it in the tattered remains of one of Pemberton's
laboratory notebook, and that it consisted of the oils of lemon (120 parts),
orange (80), nutmeg (40), cinnamon ( 40), neroli (40) and coriander(20),
which were combined with alcohol and left to stand for 24 hours.
Today there is no alcohol, but that ingredient might have explained the
initial need for secrecy!
Coca-Cola hö Jaayé
It is still claimed that the order in which 7X is blended is the key to
producing the 'real thing', and it may be that only two executives of the
company know this. Today, there are sugar-free and caffeine-free versions of
Coca-Cola. Yet the mystique lingers on.
The real secret of Coca-Cola is that millions of people are still prepared
to pay a premium price for it.
Sourced by N. G. Wagle (Courtesy Keemat)
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Mr. Bean
> The automobile industry spends billions every year to make cars more fuel
> efficient.
> The will spend millions to redesign solid working systems to save a few
> ounces off the total weight of the car.
> You would think that at least one of them would be greedy enough to look
at
> one of those alleged patents and design something similar.
> You might think that the current evil empire would steal those patents and
> market the cars.
And that's where you totally wrong.
The car manufacturers are PAID to maintain usage of petrol and to stop
producing electric cars. They getting payments from oil companies! ;-D
That's their profit.
> No power on earth would keep the American or any other public from buying
> one of these devices. The patent office and anybody trying to stop them
> would be stomped into mush.
Do your research and... try to build carr which runs on somethnig different
than gas and... advertise it. ;-P
I can tell you one patent I know myself wery well.
Car will run much better, cleaner and up to 5 times more efficiently (Using
5 times less gas.) if you will convert liquid fuel into gas form firstly and
than burn it
in engine. In car engine only one fifth of delivered fuel is burned to give
an energy.
The rest is burned in catalic converters. All car manufaturers do know about
it and
they paid to not do it!
It's there more than 180 patents of different way to convert liquid fuel
into gas form.
Such methods are known from 1920!!!
One way is to get so called 'vaporized carby' which will get a heat from
exchaust while
engine is running hot. Than in hot carby, liquid fuel is vaporized and
delivered in gas form to
standard carby in the same way as GAS converted cars are using real gas to
run.
That's why Sarich orbital engine can't take off. Uses to little fuel.
> Patents can be read by most anybody. It's why Coca-cola is not patented.
Try it with fuels.
Below link was removed.
The Hindu : Clean fuel from water
... Sci Tech Clean fuel from water. AN EFFICIENT way to extract hydrogen,
the ultimate
`green' fuel, from water has been found by Japanese scientists. They have
...
www.hinduonnet.com/seta/stories/2001120600030300.htm - 13k - Cached -
Similar pages
I've just tried soem research and looks like you can't find to much for
below reasons.
http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/upd-discuss/2000q4/000100.html
http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/upd-discuss/2000q4/000101.html
BTW. I didn't look very hard though ;-P
Peace...
Michael Painter
>
> "Michael Painter" <m.pa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:JVr%7.348619$W8.13...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > The automobile industry spends billions every year to make cars more
fuel
> > efficient.
> > The will spend millions to redesign solid working systems to save a few
> > ounces off the total weight of the car.
> > You would think that at least one of them would be greedy enough to look
> at
> > one of those alleged patents and design something similar.
> > You might think that the current evil empire would steal those patents
and
> > market the cars.
>
> And that's where you totally wrong.
> The car manufacturers are PAID to maintain usage of petrol and to stop
> producing electric cars. They getting payments from oil companies! ;-D
> That's their profit.
That's to stupid to argue with.
>
> > No power on earth would keep the American or any other public from
buying
> > one of these devices. The patent office and anybody trying to stop them
> > would be stomped into mush.
>
> Do your research and... try to build carr which runs on somethnig
different
> than gas and... advertise it. ;-P
You mena like the hybreds that are on TV every day. Hard to make a lot of
profit from a car that get 60 MPH.
>
> I can tell you one patent I know myself wery well.
> Car will run much better, cleaner and up to 5 times more efficiently
(Using
> 5 times less gas.) if you will convert liquid fuel into gas form firstly
and
> than burn it
> in engine. In car engine only one fifth of delivered fuel is burned to
give
> an energy.
Publish the Patent number.
> The rest is burned in catalic converters. All car manufaturers do know
about
> it and
> they paid to not do it!
>
> It's there more than 180 patents of different way to convert liquid fuel
> into gas form.
> Such methods are known from 1920!!!
>
> One way is to get so called 'vaporized carby' which will get a heat from
> exchaust while
> engine is running hot. Than in hot carby, liquid fuel is vaporized and
> delivered in gas form to
> standard carby in the same way as GAS converted cars are using real gas to
> run.
Then the patent has expired and you can build one. Get back to us.
>
> That's why Sarich orbital engine can't take off. Uses to little fuel.
>
> > Patents can be read by most anybody. It's why Coca-cola is not patented.
>
> Try it with fuels.
>
> Below link was removed.
>
> The Hindu : Clean fuel from water
> ... Sci Tech Clean fuel from water. AN EFFICIENT way to extract hydrogen,
> the ultimate
> `green' fuel, from water has been found by Japanese scientists. They have
> ...
> www.hinduonnet.com/seta/stories/2001120600030300.htm - 13k - Cached -
> Similar pages
>
> I've just tried soem research and looks like you can't find to much for
> below reasons.
>
> http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/upd-discuss/2000q4/000100.html
>
> http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/upd-discuss/2000q4/000101.html
>
> BTW. I didn't look very hard though ;-P
>
> Peace...
>
This is dumber than over energy.
Mr. Bean
I'm the expert on THIS field and simply, I don't have to prove ANYTHING.
I have studied:
Car engines, specialty of Diesel engines.
The Bible with JW's. (Arghhhhhhhh!!!!)
Sound engineering.
I know facts and that's good enough for me.
You do not believe it!? It's fine with me!
Take it or... leave it.
I don't give a shit!
However...I would love if you could prove me wrong... ;-P
An argument such as: > That's to stupid to argue with.
...use with your wife, if she will let you. ;-P But... you are risking
to be cut off at least for a month. <g>
> Publish the Patent number.
Find out yourself!
You brain needs some little exercises!
BTW. WTS prints the trOOth. It must be in THEIR magazines somewhere. ;-P
Do not drown it in the beer, will you!? Your brain do need a shake before
using it.
Shake it!!!!!!!
Peace...
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Mr. Bean
"Terry (AntiWT)" <gran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:a1fft5
> I predict that we will run out of oil before the New World Order comes to
> be.
Upps... another false prophet???
Peace...
seeker
"I don't like the doctrine and they have made me unsure of both God and
forgiveness.
How and in what sense?
If youhave not done anything about being aJW
how do you think God views you as a JW.
What is a JW ? someone who Witnesses about
Jehovah.
It still sticks that it can be the only ticket to eternal life,
VA do not kid yourself the ticket to eternal life
is not obtained so easy , remenber Jesus words
"if you are lukewarm" what happens REV 3:16
You should trust your mother listen to her.
From what you mention it seems you have not
gotten a grasp of the truth and you are easily
sidetracked. What is it that has you wanting to leave of being a JW in the
first place?
Where else would you go? to another religion,
remember the apostles reply to Jesus when
he told them do you also not want to go?
"whom shall we go to Lord"
VA there is no other place or religion etc..
Jesus said also "He who is not with me is against
me" and HE WHO DOES NOT STAY with me
Scatters.
Very specially do not get mislead by reading
foolish stuff on this NG. I have yet to find one
person who has been disfellowshiped or left
to give an honest and reasonable reason with
logical proof.
The real reasons being one either they were DishF for having done a
Biblical fault of somekind
or left for selfish reasons.
VA you are free to decide but think of the what the
BiBLE tells you.
Wish you Best.
SEEKER
VA
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> VA You mention you are a JW how long have you been a JW ?
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> "I don't like the doctrine and they have made me unsure of both God and
> forgiveness.
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> How and in what sense?
Almost everything, the lies, the threats, you name it.
> If youhave not done anything about being aJW
> how do you think God views you as a JW.
He doesn't view me in the terms of any cult's opinions,
even if they claim to be the right one.
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> What is a JW ? someone who Witnesses about
> Jehovah.
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> It still sticks that it can be the only ticket to eternal life,
> VA do not kid yourself the ticket to eternal life
> is not obtained so easy , remenber Jesus words
> "if you are lukewarm" what happens REV 3:16
I'd rather be half dead than controled by evil people.
God does not judge from the status of being a member of
the JW or not.
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> You should trust your mother listen to her.
Not as long as she can't think for herself and is under severe
mind control. In fact, I don't recognize my mother anymore,
I wouldn't trust her with my life. I'm sure she could kill me
if the organisation thought she should.
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> From what you mention it seems you have not
> gotten a grasp of the truth and you are easily
> sidetracked.
That is because JW cult sidetracked me from Gods love in
the first place. I am finally starting to open my heart to it again.
But it's a slow prosess. The blackness of the cult is vast and
long lasting on a human soul.
What is it that has you wanting to leave of being a JW in the
> first place?
Not sins, as you would redicule about. I felt depressed
and frowned upon for thinking my own thoughts. The coldness
and the control, the fact that they took away my belief in a good
God and in myself. Also, the intrigues and hatred inside the organisation
itself, and the practial evil I saw with my own eyes. Also the fact
that it made my familymembers change to the worst.
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> Where else would you go? to another religion,
> remember the apostles reply to Jesus when
> he told them do you also not want to go?
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> "whom shall we go to Lord"
I am totally hundred percent with Jesus, like he encouraged
every man to follow him. I just had to get out of the sect to do
so, first. It was hindering my spiritual path to him and to God,
and into trusting their love as well as my self.
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> VA there is no other place or religion etc..
> Jesus said also "He who is not with me is against
> me" and HE WHO DOES NOT STAY with me
> Scatters.
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> Very specially do not get mislead by reading
> foolish stuff on this NG. I have yet to find one
> person who has been disfellowshiped or left
> to give an honest and reasonable reason with
> logical proof.
Then read what I'm saying, and I'm still a JW!
That must be a very strange concept to you.
Where would you put me when Harmageddon arrives?
God doesn't care where cult members so coldly put
people, you know.
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> The real reasons being one either they were DishF for having done a
> Biblical fault of somekind
> or left for selfish reasons.
Yeah, they are filthy sinners, let God slaughter them, right?
Or being cast out,treated as dead, they can learn in a 'loving' punishing way
to come back, right? That's the org's logic.
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> VA you are free to decide but think of the what the
> BiBLE tells you.
I have
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> Wish you Best.
> SEEKER
If you're a JW, watch your back is all I can tell you. You shouldn't
even be replying here.
You might be 'against' now, you know.
I wish you the best, too though. You really are going
to need it, because nobody loves you for you, they only care
how many hours you produced this month. The moment you
are getting slow, you are being frowned upon.
Good luck
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seeker
You seem to think the JW's are out to get you
and teach you all sorts of lies,doctrines, and even threats. This is not
true ,its all in your head for some
reason your mind has been poisoned ,either you
want to leave but do not feel confident about it or
you really have been influenced by something or someone.
You keep talking about Jesus good ,but why do you ignore Jehovah? Have you
stoped believing in him too, no one made you unsure about GOD except
yourself and no one can.
I also think for some reason you misunderstand your mother. You use severe
mind control for your mother, this term is used by either apostates or
anti JW.
You mention many things about the Organization
but who do you serve Jehovah or the organization,
VA you are just finding excuses because you want out but think also about
the consequences.
Remember we are all imperfect and perhaps
some have made mistakes even elders does not mean we have to get up and
leave, we serve Jehovah not men.
Tell me is there a better place to go ?
Then read what I'm saying, and I'm still a JW!
That must be a very strange concept to you.
Where would you put me when Harmageddon arrives?
God doesn't care where cult members so coldly put
people, you know.
> Va ,No you are not still a JW you have been
mislead by propaganda and you are applying to yourself, yes in name you
are a JW but again
what does GOD think?
When Armageddon arrives it is Jehovah who will decide he is a just GOD,
what would you tell him
I left and went my own way and now save me.
He has set the way for us to heed his requirements, and we MUST obey.
Or perhaps do you think that he will save some anti JW's on this NG who
are animalistic have no spirituality tearing down with all their lies and
foolishness etc...have left the so called cult.
You want to convince me of your sincerety,
fine ,give me some tangible proof not just
accusations, otherwise I am really sorry
and wish you to pray to Jehovah for guidance.
Remember whatever you do YOU will be responsible to Jehovah and no else.
Take care, and all the best.
PS. There is no need for me to watch my back
we are not prisoners and we still have free will
and so do you.
Mr. Bean
"seeker" <kan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Remember whatever you do YOU will be responsible to Jehovah and no else.
WRONG!
To Jesus Christ if you do believe the Bible. That's His Kingdom, not
Jehovah's
and Christ is the Judge.
Peace...
VA
"seeker" <kan...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:EIv08.3909$ZF3.3...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> VA you did not reply how long you were a JW and if you baptised?
Why is that important? Are you just curious, or does it really matter?
Babtised or not babtised, that's the question, right?
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> You seem to think the JW's are out to get you
> and teach you all sorts of lies,doctrines, and even threats. This is not
> true ,its all in your head for some
> reason your mind has been poisoned ,either you
> want to leave but do not feel confident about it or
> you really have been influenced by something or someone.
Typical thing you would say. I am influenced by my own evilness of heart,
the world and Satan, right? no, just my common sense. I don't think they're
after me or anything. I just know it's a very unhealthy place to be,
psychologically. That's all.
ARe you reporting the time you write here, by the way?
> You keep talking about Jesus good ,but why do you ignore Jehovah? Have you
> stoped believing in him too, no one made you unsure about GOD except
> yourself and no one can.
I find the old testament intimidating, and the JW's of course blew up
the threats all they could. I don't know, but if something strikes God's
ego and he doesn't like it, he kills. That is so ..immature, in lack of a
better word. I don't get it, why is God like that, and why would he have
a scumbag organisation like the JW's? Jesus is the only 'normal' person
in the universe to me, maybe that's why I "like" him better. He's the only
one not f** up in this universe. And everybody could follow him at the
blink of an eye, they needn't answer about 100 questions (is it?) to be
allowed and accepted.
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> I also think for some reason you misunderstand your mother.
It is hard to misunderstand an attitude like that, and the schitzofrenia
that comes with it since I am her flesh and blood. She has actually ended
up crying because she hurt herself from being typically resentful to me, and
then waking up from that. She learns, she let's her common sense win, I
really do hope, for her own sake. It's easy to hate the world, but when it's
your own child...But as long as she attends meetings, I
might as well lose, because she gets indoctrined (also a word used by anti's?)
there. Believe me I know, I've been attending to meetings for years.
I didn't like myself, like my mom doesn't like herself. It really makes one
hate oneself because it goes against the goodness of heart that we all
have.
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> mind control for your mother, this term is used by either apostates or
> anti JW.
So you get to choose which words is owned by whom? Did you hear the 'definition' at
a meeting? Mind control as a term can be used by anyone, don't be so afraid to
use a word! Another describing word is 'system'. That word makes them see red
too.
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> You mention many things about the Organization
> but who do you serve Jehovah or the organization,
> VA you are just finding excuses because you want out but think also about
> the consequences.
Don't tell me what I want. You're just repeating the
last meeting you've been to, like everybody critical wants out to do sins or
whatever, because they are bad. Or like you would say: spiritually dead.
The consequences are not yours to understand. God doesn't go by
the rules of man made apostates. And Jesus certainly didn't. So watch
out for you will be judged if judging others.
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> Remember we are all imperfect and perhaps
> some have made mistakes even elders does not mean we have to get up and
> leave, we serve Jehovah not men.
> Tell me is there a better place to go ?
Everywhere but there. It is the worst place to go. You might as well
kill all your common sense and warmth of heart right away, it will be
warped in there anyway. Even if the org is biblically knowledged they
don't have the key to anything at all. The ONLY key is Jesus, and I'm all
for!
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> Then read what I'm saying, and I'm still a JW!
> That must be a very strange concept to you.
> Where would you put me when Harmageddon arrives?
> God doesn't care where cult members so coldly put
> people, you know.
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> > Va ,No you are not still a JW you have been
> mislead by propaganda
I finally am getting out of the propaganda of the black painting
cult from hell.
and you are applying to yourself, yes in name you
> are a JW but again
> what does GOD think?
Again: I don't have insight in Gods mind, neither do you. He knows the
hearts of every man on earth. I rely on that, not an organisation telling
me how my heart is, depending on what I did for it that month. It doesn't
matter if I am in or out or in this or that name. He sees not the exterior.
Read the bible.
> When Armageddon arrives it is Jehovah who will decide he is a just GOD,
> what would you tell him
> I left and went my own way and now save me.
He would be happy for me, that I find I can be closer to him outside
a judging watchtower cult. He might have to save you too, for not
participating in the rage against him at the very end, I don't know.
Many many witnesses will die, and many outside. It is not for anyone
to tell. Get over it.
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> He has set the way for us to heed his requirements, and we MUST obey.
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> Or perhaps do you think that he will save some anti JW's on this NG who
> are animalistic have no spirituality tearing down with all their lies and
> foolishness etc...have left the so called cult.
It depends of the nature of the religion, in this case very much a cult with
cult threats, power system and cynisism. God will save a great bunch of
people outside of the org, and those been exploited by it both inside and
outside of it. These are exterior things. He looks at the core of everyone.
But you don't want to see anybody outside survive, that would feel like
a ripoff to you. Which shows the egotistical trade you make with God being
in the org, thinking it puts you before all. But what does God think of
a cold trade like that?
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> You want to convince me of your sincerety,
> fine ,give me some tangible proof not just
> accusations, otherwise I am really sorry
> and wish you to pray to Jehovah for guidance.
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> Remember whatever you do YOU will be responsible to Jehovah and no else.
So do you. Be very careful who you put in which category. Jesus turned
everything around, pissing people (the apostates) off. That's excactly
what's going to happen with you people.
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> Take care, and all the best.
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> PS. There is no need for me to watch my back
> we are not prisoners and we still have free will
> and so do you.
It might seem like free will. But not one of the speeches made
on those podiums witholds one single independent thought. Do you really
want your "information" from God to come from a few old men in one
city in this world? Think about it.
peace, Veronica
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the Sioux Warrior
You will have nothing to fear on the last day. I firmly believe that as its
written, the man who fears God, and does good towards his neighbor shall
have nothing to fear..
Do you hurt, maim lie cheat or steal. OR anything vengful to another??
Then guess what you are the person Jehovah wants in the new system. Do you
think a person who was disfellowshipped yet his heart is With God, will be
destroyed?
didn't Jehovah forgive David for Murder, mennesah, for much more..
Everyone deserves a second chance. AND so do you :)
So don't worry so much about the end. You will be fine... if you keep
trying to live a good life
Don't be like these apostates, who seek only to break down peoples faith.
They have never shown me one time ever in this news group where they tried
to be upbuilding in their hate and diatribe of smite towards Witnesses.
They can knock it down, but they can't replace it with anything. Never have
been. Just the same complaints over and over again
--
Techihhila (Sioux - I Love You),
The Sioux Warrior - Aćron Sčamus Mac Duff
E Pluribus Unum (from The Many comes One) Motto Of America
You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to - Ronald Reagan
Venienti Occurrite Morbo (Meet Misfortune as it comes) Persius, The Satires
Nolite te Bastardes Carborundorum. (Don't let Bastards bring you down)
Vergil
Veronica A <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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> > ANOTHER Success Story! there are SOoo many!
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> I don't feel like a success story..I know too much
> of what the bible says.. I am scared of the 'end'
> and of God. What's the point if everyone shall survive,
> then we'll have the same bad world over again.
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Mr. Bean
I would suggest that you would be better to use precisely what the WTS has
said
about checking you religion. Look deep into book, "You can live in a
Paradise on Earth".
There you will find some useful information's how to check your current
religion.
Do that and... check also the Watchtower Society! ;-P
Ask for all books! Russell, Rutherford especially.
That you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
Do serious independent research. Check WTS materials against so called
apostate
materials. check every verse and context and Bible verse.
That's the ONLY reasonable and wise thing to do. Check both sides.
That basic procedure to every honest court. Check both sides and than make
the right judgment.
And remember! We will be judged for our works, not our understanding of the
Bible and abilities to make citation for every occasion.
Check also that link!
"Gérard GERTOUX is a Hebrew scholar, specialist of the Tetragram; He has
been president of the Association Biblique de Recherche d'Anciens Manuscrits
since 1991. His training as an engineer and teacher has enabled him to
compile an amount of information coming from a great diversity of
specialized departments."
Peace...
BTW. Sioux Warrior... ummm... you should be a... sheep. not a wolf in sheep
skin!
Sheeps are not warriors.;-P
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VA
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> Veronica, if your heart is in the correct place...
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> You will have nothing to fear on the last day. I firmly believe that as its
> written, the man who fears God, and does good towards his neighbor shall
> have nothing to fear..
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> Do you hurt, maim lie cheat or steal. OR anything vengful to another??
Try not to hurt anybody
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> Then guess what you are the person Jehovah wants in the new system. Do you
> think a person who was disfellowshipped yet his heart is With God, will be
> destroyed?
I don't know what will happen at the culmination. If they have to gather
away from this world, I guess that the JW would have a good chance right
there. But I wouldn't want to live in a world for millions of years with that
system. Still, what if I really have to run like hell to the nearest kingdom
hall to be protected? If this is to happen in a big scale, this is what I worry
about. I would run there, just in case, and then try to avoid all of them
for millions of years.. lol
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> didn't Jehovah forgive David for Murder, mennesah, for much more..
> Everyone deserves a second chance. AND so do you :)
I didn't get babtized with the right intentions in the first place. I didn't feel
connected to the spirit. I felt tricked into a corner by two very eager witnesses.
So they could write me as a 'study that succeded' on their record.
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> trying to live a good life
I am curious and fear the end too. You do believe it will come one day,
don't you?
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it isn't true. I know it is smeared with wrongdoings and
meanness, my intuition has forced me out a long time ago.
It doesn't help me to find another thing wasn't any good.
I want to find what's right now.
v
Barb Hoy
your heart and mind by the WTBS. Live your life...if the world or system
comes to an end what can you do about it anyway? JWs don't preach the
truth, they just preach what they've been told is the truth by the mother of
all mothers.
Religions need fear instilled in their members so that they "think" they
need the organization. God is within you. You don't need them.
Barb
Terry (AntiWT)
"VA" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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The truth has been corrupted by thousands of years of NEW LIGHT. I doubt
that anyone, today, has the truth. Be the best you can be, if that isn't
good enough, then maybe you don't want what comes next.
Gramps
Move the @ ahead of hot to email me.
desa...@ticon.net
wrote:
We will have to wait and see, won't we?
VA
"Terry (AntiWT)" <gran...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:a2mtip$1p9$1...@galileo.ticon.net...
I thought about that too, I'd rather be dead than living forever
with those spiritual terrorists
Terry (AntiWT)
I'll bet that many have had that thought, but are afraid to go with it.
They think they need some mortal man to decide for them what is right,
rather than their own heart.
Chris
"Terry (AntiWT)" wrote:
The truth is out there...it is in Orthodoxy. Take the time to investigate it.
Get to understand its theology and raise your concept of God. Spend some time
perusing the articles on orthodoxinfo.com. It will take some time but you
will eventually shed through all the lies of papist and protestant faiths. I
do not question their desire to follow God but false theology will not take
you all the way to the fullest potential. It is intentionally designed to cut
you short from reaching the goal.
VA
"Chris" <kee...@netnitco.net> skrev i melding news:3C660BBF...@netnitco.net...
What, catholisism? no thanks, don't need to surround myself with a load
of empty rituals and all that jazz
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