Where in Quran does it say women have to cover their hair?
Bahareh (Kitty)
Just a question... I don't seem to be able to find such thing in Quran.
Kitty
Muslim
In article <4rmn15$13...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> "Bahareh (Kitty)" <.> writes:
>Just a question... I don't seem to be able to find such thing in Quran.
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>Kitty
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Quran states it indirectly, and the applicable Hadeeth of Prophet Mohammad
peace on him, is clear. We take both sources (Quran + Hadeeth)
in Islam. Not just Quran alone.
The Quran urges the believing men
and women to lower their gaze and guard their modesty and then urges the
believing women to extend their head covers to cover the neck and the
bosom "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and
guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should
lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display
their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that
they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (24:30,31). The Quran
is quite clear that the veil is an essential part of a recipe designed for
the purposes of modesty, but why modesty? The Quran is still clear "O
prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they
should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that
they should be known and not molested" (33:59). This is the whole point,
modesty is prescribed to protect women from molestation or simply, modesty
is protection.
Moreover, according to a Tradition from Aisha [as], once her
sister Asma came before the Holy Prophet in a thin dress.
The Holy Prophet immediately turned his face away and said:
"O Asma, when a woman has attained her maturity, it is not
permissible that any part of her body should be exposed except
the face, and the hand." (Abu Da'ud).
Ibn Jarir has related a similar incident from Aisha [as]
saying that once the daughter of Abdullah bin Tufail,
who was her mother's son from her former husband, came to
her house on a visit. When the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him)
entered the house, he saw her but turned his face to the other
side. Aisha [as] said : "O Messenger of Allah, she is my
niece." Thereupon the Holy Prophet remarked: "When a
woman reaches the age of puberty, it is not lawful for her
to display her body except that hand and the face.
(Then he indicated what he meant by the hand by gripping his
own hand from the wrist so that there was hardly a breadth
left between his grip and the palm of the hand.) "
Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The
Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of
man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man.
The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign
of luxury and distinction of some noble married women.The Islamic veil is
only a sign of modesty with the sole purpose of protecting women, all
women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better safe than sorry.
In fact, the Quran is so concerned with protecting women's bodies and
women's reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of
unchastity will be severely punished," And those who launch a charge
against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their
allegations)- Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence
ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors"(24:4).
Compare this strict Quranic attitude with the extremely lax
punishment for rape in the Bible " If a man happens to meet a virgin who
is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he
shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the
girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he
lives" (Deut. 22:28-30). One must ask a simple question here,
who is really punished? The man who only paid a fine for rape,
or the girl who is forced to marry the man who raped her
and live with him until he dies? Another question that
also should be asked is this: which is more protective of women, the
Quranic strict attitude or the Biblical lax attitude?
Some people, especially in the West, would tend to ridicule the whole
argument of modesty for protection. Their argument is that the best
protection is the spread of education, civilised behaviour, and self
restraint. We would say: Fine but not enough. If 'civilization' is enough
protection, then why is it that women in North America, dare not walk
alone in a dark street - or even across an empty parking lot ? If
Education is the solution, then why is it that a respected university like
ours has a 'walk home service' for female students on campus? If self
restraint is the answer, then why are cases of sexual harassment in the
workplace on the news media every day? A sample of those accused of sexual
harassment, in the last few years, includes: Navy officers, Managers,
University professors, Senators, Supreme Court Justices, and the President
of the United States! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the
following statistics, written in a pamphlet issued by the Dean of Women's
office at Queen's University:
* In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes",
* 1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their
lives",
* 1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime",
* 1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or
university, and
* A study found 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would
commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn't get
caught."
Something is fundamentally wrong in the society we live in. A radical
change in the society's life style and culture is absolutely necessary. A
culture of modesty is badly needed, modesty in dress, in speech, and in
manners of both men and women. Otherwise, the grim statistics will grow
even worse day after day and , unfortunately, women alone will be paying
the price.
Notes
21. Hillman, op. cit., p. 12.
22. Menachem M. Brayer, The Jewish Woman in Rabbinic Literature: A
Psychosocial Perspective (Hoboken, N.J: Ktav Publishing House, 1986)
p. 239.
23. Ibid., pp. 316-317. Also see Swidler, op. cit., pp. 121-123.
24. Ibid., p. 139.
25. Clara M. Henning, " Cannon Law and the Battle of the Sexes" in Rosemary
R. Ruether, ed., Religion and Sexism: Images of Woman in the Jewish and
Christian Traditions (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1974) p. 272.
26. Donald B. Kraybill, The riddle of the Amish Culture (Baltimore: Johns
Hopkins University Press, 1989) p. 56.
27. The Times, Nov. 18, 1993.
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Muslim
From: Ber...@City-Net.Com
Subject: HIJAAB: LET THERE BE NO DOUBT!!!
Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:58:09 GMT
Allah has said in the Qur'an (what means):
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze
(from looking at forbidden things), and protect their
private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not
to show off their adornment except only that which is
apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes
for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves,
head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over their
Juyunbihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.)...."
[Quran, Surah An-Nur, 24:31].
"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the
women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their
bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely
except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be
better, that they should be known (as free respectable women)
so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Surah Al-Ahzab:59].
[Interpretation of the meaning of the Noble Qur'an
in the English language. A summarized version of At-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi,
and Ibn Kathir with comments from Sahih Al-Bukhari.
By Dr. Muhammad Hilali and Dr. Muhammad Khan of
the Islamic University in Medinah, Al-Munawarrah, Saudi Arabia.]
From the authentic Sunnah, we can conclude that there are
requirements for the Hijaab.
Requirements:
1. Extent of the Hijaab:
It is clear from the authentic Sunnah and the opinions
of the Salaf that the Hijaab must cover all of the woman's
body (excluding only the hands and face according to some
scholars while other scholars hold the face and hands as
being apart of a woman's awrah,
as is evident in the above tafseer).
Indeed, the word Khumuru (pl. of Khimaar) in the above ayah (24:31)
means a headscarf. The esteemed mufaasir (Qur'anic interpreter)
Al-Qurtubi states:
"Women in the past used to cover their heads with the khimar,
throwing it's ends over their backs. This left the neck and the upper
part of the chest bare, in the manner of the Chirstians.
Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."
Abu Dawood reports that 'Aishah (RAA) said:
"After this ayah was revealed, the women of the Ansaar
appeared like crows."
(Due to the color and shape of the cloaks they wore).
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba (RAA): 'Aishah used to say:
'When the verse (24:31) was revealed,
(the ladies) cut their waist sheets at
the edges and covered their heads and
faces with those cut pieces of cloth'". [Bukhari].
Narrated 'Aishah (RAA): "
May Allah bestow His Mercy upon the early emigrant
women when Allah revealed, (24:31) - they tore their
Mourts (a woollen dress, or a waist-binding cloth or an apron etc.)
and covered their faces with those torn Mourts." [Bukhari].
Umm Hanna writes in her translation of, In Support of Hijaab:
"Covering the head is a commandment about which there
is complete consensus of all the Muslim sects.
Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi says, "The Muslims of all ages and
all cities, the jurists and the traditionists, the Sufis,
the Zahiriyya, the Ahl ul Ra'y and the Ahl Athar, are united
on the fact that a woman's hair is part of her beauty which
must be covered and cannot be revealed before any strange man."
Concerning ayah 33:59, Umm Hanna writes:
"The verse uses the word jilbaab, which is a garment that
covers the entire body, and also necessitates that the
jilbaab should hang down loosely. The verse then draws
our attention to the fact that a Muslim woman must have a
unique physical identity just as she has an intellectual
identity. This physical identity is the jilbaab and so the Muslim
woman becomes unique because of her appearance and her thinking.
Muslim records a Hadith from Umm Attiya (RAA) who said:
"The Prophet (PBUH) ordered us to take the old women,
menstruating women and pregnant women for Eid ul Fitr and
Eid ul Adha prayers. I said: O Prophet of Allaah. Some of us do not
have jilbaabs. He replied: Let their sisters give them
jilbaabs to wear.
Allaah Almighty also says:
"...and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of
Ignorance..." [33:33].
In this verse, women are forbidden from adorning themselves
like the women of pre-Islamic times, and are told not to dress and
behave in a way that does not fit their character of civilised women.
So what was the dress and behaviour of women in Jahiliyya times?
The scholars have answered this question in detail, for example
Mujaahid says: "Women would walk alongside the men -
uncovered naturally." Qataada said: "As she walked, she would swing
her hips and flirt." Maqaatil wrote: "The women would wear veils on
their heads, but would not tie them tightly", and the root of
the word tabarruj (dazzling display) is to be clearly visible, hence burooj in Surah 85:1 means
(twinkling) constellations.
Allaah Almighty says: "
Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage -
there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments,
provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty:
but it is best for them to be modest: and Allaah is One who
sees and knows All things." [24:60].
In this verse there is an allowance made for old women by
easing the most difficult requirements of the Hijaab. However,
this is on the condition that they do not uncover their beauty
or arouse the attention of men. If they do continue to cover
themselves, it is better for them. This is what the verse says
literally, while it also implies that covering is compulsory
for women who are not old, whether they are adolescents
or middle-aged, or in more general terms, for women who are
still attractive to men."
2. Thickness:
The clothing must be thick enough so as not to reveal the skin
color and form of the body. Umm Hanna states in her translation
of, In Support of Hijaab:
"Al-Qurtubi reports from 'Aisha (radhiAllaahu 'anha) that
"Some women from the tribe of Banu Tameem came to see her wearing
thin clothes. 'Aaisha (RAA) said: 'If you are believing women,
these are not the clothes of believing women." He also reports
that a bride came to see her wearing a thin veil (khimaar).
'Aaisha (RAA) said: "A woman who wears such clothes does not
believe in Surah Noor."
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said:
"...scantily dressed women, who go astray and make others go
astray; they will not enter Paradise nor
smell it's fragrance, although it can be smelled from afar."
[At-Tabarani and Sahih Muslim].
Ibn Al-'Arabi said:
"They are described as being naked because if the clothes are
thin, they describe the body. Another explaination is that their
clothes are thick but are so fine that they describe clearly
the parts of the body as if she is naked.
The Hadith is thus a clear warning against revealing clothes."
3. Looseness:
The Hijaab must be loose enough so as not to reveal the woman's size,
shape, or limbs. Usamah ibn Zaid said: Allah's Messenger (PBUH)
gave me a gift of thick Coptic cloth
he had received as a gift from Dahiah Al-Kalbi,
and so I gave it to my wife. Thereafter
the Prophet (PBUH) asked me: Why didn't you wear the Coptic cloth?
I replied: I gaveit to my wife. The Prophet (PBUH) then said:
Tell her to wear a thick gown under it (the Coptic garment)
for I fear that it may describe the size of her limbs."
[Narrated by Ahmad, Al-Bayhaqi, and Al-Haakim].
4. Color, Appearance and Demeanor:
We must remember that the Hijaab also embodies the over-all
behaviour of the Muslim woman. Allah has said: "O wives of the
Prophet! You are not like any other women.
If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech,
lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire
for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an
honourable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display
yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and offer prayers
perfectley (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give
Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger.
Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.)
from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet-PBUH),
and to purify you with a thorough purification." [33:32-33].
Indeed, the Hijaab is meant to hide a woman's beauty.
However, we now see Muslims sisters wearing very bright and
loud clothing which is against the true definition of Hijaab.
Imam Adh-Dhahabi says in his book, Kitab Al-Kaba'ir
(The Book of Major Sins):
"Amongst the deeds which a woman is cursed for are
displaying the adornments she wears, wearing perfume when
she goes out, and wearing colorful clothes..."
Hence, the Muslim woman is encouraged to wear muted,
somber colors and to avoid bright designs, patterns and colors.
Let the Muslim men beware of this as it is we who are
responsible for our families.
Narrated by 'Abd Allah ibn 'Amr ibn Al-'Aas that the Messenger
of Allah (PBUH) has said:
"Among the three individuals who would not enter Jennah would be:
Ad-Dayooth, who is contented with obscenity within his family.
i.e., a cuckold - a man who permits the women for whom he is
responsible, such as his wife, daughter, etc., to engage in
illicit sexual relations or to display their beauty to men,
thereby stimulating sexual desire."
5. Difference from Men's clothing:
Abu Hurairah (RA) said:
Allah's Messenger (PBUH) cursed the man who wears women's clothes
and the women who wear men's clothes.
[Abu Dawood and Ibn Majah - Saheeh].
'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar (RA) said
he heard Allah's Messenger (PBUH) say:
The man who resembles a woman (through dress and behaviour) and the
woman who resembles a man is not of us (i.e., not of the believers).
[Ahmad and At-Tabarani - Saheeh].
Abu Dawood relates a narration from Umm Salamah (RAA)
which shows that the Prophet (PBUH) forbade women to bundle their khumuru
on their heads in such a way as to resemble the turban of a man.
6. Different from the clothing of the Kufar:
A Muslims clothing must not resemble the clothing of the
Kufar not only in dress, but in manners, religious practices and
festivities, transactions, etc. The first generation of Islam
clearly avoided being similar to the kufar.
'Abd Allah ibn 'Amr ibn Al-'Aas (RAA) said:
Allah's Messenger (PBUH) saw me wearing two saffron-colored
garments, so he said: Indeed, these are the clothes of the
kuffar, so do not wear them. [Sahih Muslim].
'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar (RAA) said:
Allah's Messenger (PBUH) stated: Whoever resembles (imitates)
a people is one of them. [Abu Dawood].
7. No vainity or Ostentatious Dressing:
Ibn 'Umar (RAA) relates that Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said:
Whoever dresses for ostentation in this world,
Allah will dress that perso in a dress of humilitation on the Day of Resurrection, and then set it on fire."
[Abu Dawood].
Umm Hanna also states:
"As regards to the issue of the validity of a
woman's prayer when her head is uncovered, it would be wrong
to isolate such a topic as it could lead to the rejection
of all the religious commandments. We shall thus
look at the issue in it's entirety, as the scholars have done.
The scholars are all agreed that a woman's prayer
is not valid if she is not wearing a long, covering dress
and a head-covering. This was the way of the female
Companions of the Prophet, as narrated in Bukhaaree
from 'Aaisha (RAA): "The Prophet of Allah (PBUH)
would pray Fajr, and with him would go the believing
women, completely enveloped in their cloaks. They would
then return to their homes without anyone
recognising them." - due to the darkness and also due to the severity
of the covering. (see Fath al-Baari, volume 1, p482.)
'Aaisha (RAA) narrates that the Messenger of
Allah (PBUH) said: "Allah does not accept the prayer of a woman
who has reached the age of puberty unless she is
wearing a head-covering." Transmitted by Aboo Daawood,
Haakim, Baihaqi, Tirmidhee and others.
The scholars of the Hanafi school have written
that in prayer, a woman must cover her entire body, even the
hair of her ears. They only excluded the palms of
her hands and feet. The Shafi'i scholars said similarly, except
that they only excluded the face and the hands.
They say: "The face and hands can be uncovered either in prayer
or anywhere else." The Hanbali scholars only allow
her to uncover her face, while the Maalikis make the following
classification of 'awrah (the parts of the body that must be covered):
1. "Severe" - It is not permissible to uncover these
areas under any circumstances. And if the person prays with
these parts uncovered, unless out of coercion or
forgetfulness, the prayer is invalid and must be repeated.
2. "Light" - It is Haraam to uncover these areas, but this
does not invalidate the prayer. It is mustahab (better)
for a person, whether man or woman, who prays
with these areas uncovered to repeat the prayer.
This is a summary of the views of the scholars on this subject. To say that a woman's prayer is valid if she prays
with her head uncovered is a deviant view which is calculated to sow trouble among the Muslims, Allaah Forbid!
The scholars do however, make a distinction between 'awra of sight and 'awra of prayer. So the woman must
cover her entire body, especially her hair, when praying. But in front of mahraam male relatives, she can uncover
her hair and the rules are relaxed a little. In the presence of her husband she can dress as she pleases. There is
thus no correlation between the dress for prayer and the dress of public appearance, as there are separate rules
for each."
It should be noted that, contrary to the Hanafi opinion, there is no support for the allowance of showing the feet,
be it in Salat or not. This is confirmed by the following Hadith reported by Ibn 'Umar (RA) in which the Messenger
of Allah (PBUH) said: On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will not look at the man who trails his garment along
out of pride. Umm Salamah (RAA) then asked: What should women do with (the hems of) their garments?
He replied: Let them lower them a handspan. She said: Their feet would be exposed! He then said: Let them
lower them a forearm's lenghth but no more. [At-Tabarani - Saheeh].
In conclusion, let us look to the advice of Umm Hanna:
"To reject that the Hijaab is compulsory is a sin which can only be remedied by repentance. If a person insists on
rejecting such an issue, it could lead - God forbid - to apostasy and expulsion from the community because to reject
commandments of the Qur'an is an extremely dangeroud mistake, and we pray to Allaah to grant us His pardon."
Amin.
May Allah make us of those who accept the commandments of the Qur'an and the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) and
not of those who are described as "...Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts."
[22:46]. Amin.
The majority of the information in this post was extracted from the book, In Support of Hijaab, translated by Umm Hanna, and
The Requirments of Women's Hijab in Accordance with the Qur'an, Authentic Sunnah and the Practices of the Pious
Predecessors, by Idris Palmer. Jazakum Allahu Khairan.
Your brother in Islam
Salaah Brooks
(Ber...@City-Net.com)
Bahareh (Kitty)
ad...@netcom.com (Muslim) wrote:
>From: Ber...@City-Net.Com
>Subject: HIJAAB: LET THERE BE NO DOUBT!!!
>Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:58:09 GMT
>
>
>
>Allah has said in the Qur'an (what means):
thank you, this was of great help to me.
One more question if you don't mind...
what were some of the miracles that were stated in Quran?
Kitty
Muslim
In article <4rnagq$17...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> "Bahareh (Kitty)" <.> writes:
>
>thank you, this was of great help to me.
You're most welcomed !
>
>One more question if you don't mind...
>
not at all
>
>what were some of the miracles that were stated in Quran?
>
>Kitty
>
>
Good question! A Miracle is a Sign from God. Quran itself
is a great miracle, which contains many signs from God.
(pbuh = peace be upon him/her)
The "big" thing at the time of Prophet Moses [pbuh]
was Magic. Egypt at that time had the best
and top magicians, and the Pharoah had employed them,
and were under his command. Just like in today's
society, the most impressive thing is Science and Technology,
and top scientists and engineers are usually given high
respect, and thier sceintific opinions are greatly
appreciated, valued, and taken seriously. Similarly
in Egypt during the time of Pharoah and Moses, magic
was a big thing and magicians had great respect, and
influence. Their "science and technology" was performing magic.
And thier Magicians were like ther "scientists".
Magic was like Miracles.
When Moses beat the magicians of Pharoah, with his stick,
it was like beating the best of the best. This was a miracle
and sign from God that for God it is easy to beat the
best of the best, something impossible. Pharoah's
magicians recognized this great "miracle" of Moses,
and accepted power of God and belief in God.
Story of Moses and Pharoah is mentioned in Quran.
Prophet Moses is mentioned more times in the Quran,
than Prophet Mohammad or Prophet Jesus. Peace be upon them.
The "big" thing at the time of Prophet Jesus [pbuh]
was Medical science. Great medical doctors lived
during the time of Jesus. God gave Jesus the power to
beat the best of the doctors at that time, so that people
may take it as a sign from God, a miracle, something humanly
impossible at that time. Leprosy, was the uncureable
disease at that time. It was impossible to heal it.
(Muslims do not belive Jesus to be son of God. Muslims
believe in Jesus as a Prophet of God.)
No medical doctor, no matter how capable, experienced
or skillful could not defeat the disease of leprosy.
Jesus, with God's permission, was able to do the
following miracles, which totally stunned the doctors
of that time, and this proved to be a great sign from
God, a miracle to the people:
Heal leprosy
Heal born-blind
Make birds out of clay
Brought back dead to life
These miracles, or signs from God, through Prophet Jesus
are mentioned in Quran, 5:110.
The "big" thing at the time of Prophet Mohammad was
poetry, and ability to speak elequoently in public.
Great poets and public speakers lived at that time.
Arabs were into poetry, and elequoent speech.
They often had competition in poetry, which produced
the best of the best poets in Arabic of that time.
The Miracle, or Sign of God, that Prophet Mohammad
brought was QURAN. Quran's eleqouent speech beat the
best of the best poets in thier poetry. In fact,
it challenged the Arabs (and all people of the world in future)
to bring forth even one chapter like Quran if they can.
God Challenges in Quran:
"And if you are in doubt as to what We (God) have revealed
to our servant (Mohammad), Then produce a Chapter like thereunto;
And call your witnesses or helpers besides Allah, If
you are true.
But if you cannot, and surely you cannot, Then fear
the fire Whose fuel is men and stones, Which is prepared
for those who reject."
Quran 2:23, 2:24
This is a challenge to entire humanity. Many great poets
submitted to the greatness of Quran. They tried to
write something like Quran, but failed. This challenge
is still in effect to anyone today.
Quran itself is miracle of Mohammad. Often referred to as
the continuing miracle of Mohammad. Here, 'continuing'
means that this miracle will stay in effect for all
time. Even today, the challenge of Quran stays in effect,
and some of the most stunning statements that are in it
are still true, in light of modern science.
In today's society, the most impressive thing is Science
and Technology, and top scientists and engineers are
usually given high respect, and thier sceintific opinions
are greatly appreciated, valued, and taken seriously.
Quran came and beat the best of the "poetry" in 7th century,
and today some of the statements (verses) contained in it
greatly astonish the scientists. There are powerful
statements on Astronomy, beginning of Universe, Sun and
Moon orbits, Solar Apex, Earth science, Biological sciences,
Embryology, Animal science, and etc.
The French phsycian Maurice Bucaille beautiflly collected
and analyzed the verse on science in Quran in light of
Modern science, in his famous book "The Bible The Quran
and The Science" (La bible, le Coran et la Science).
I would highly recomend that book to anyone, especially
non-Muslims.
Another great book, written by Keith Moore, a Professor
and Chairman of Anatomy Department at Toronto University is:
"The Developing Human. Clinically Oriented Embryology"
K.L. Moore
5th Edition, Philadelphia, W.B. Saunders Co. (1982)
ISBN 07216 4662-X
$33.95
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The work by Prof. Keith Moore is probably the most detailed study of
the subject. Prof. Keith Moore is Professor and Chairman of the
Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto.
His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical school
as standard instruction books. The Yale Medical school uses both his
books. The Yale Bookstore phone number for Medical books is:
(203) 772-2081. Their general information number is (203)
432-4771. (New Haven, Connecticut)
He is *the* authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the
latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately the
Qur'an describes embryo development.
Prof. Moore has said:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in
the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these
statements must have come to Muhammed from God or Allah because
almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many
centuries later.
This proves to me that Mohammed must have been a messenger of God
or Allah."
Prof. Marshal Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of
Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson
University, Philadelphia
He says:
"The Qur'an describes not only the development of external form but
emphasizes also the internal stages -- the stages inside the embryo
of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized
by contemporary science.... If I were to transpose myself into that
era, knowing what I know today and describing things, I could not
describe the things that were described. I see no evidence to
refute the concept that this individual Mohammed had to be developing this
information from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the
concept that Divine Intervention was involved...."
(To receive a copy of the article that Moore wrote about
'Highlights of Human Embryology in the Koran and Hadith'
please e-mail me. It is available through regular Postal
mail (not e-mail), and I'll mail for free to anyone upon request)
Below are some of the statements from Quran, which are analyzied
in light of modern science. Taken from the book by Maurice Bucaille.
These are part of the "miracles" or Signs from God. Please
keep in mind that QURAN IS NOT A BOOK ON SCIENCE although it contains
some very powerful and stunning statements on science. All this was
stated in 7th century !~
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Astronomy, Life, and Mountains
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God States in Quran:
(21:30-33)
Have not the people, who have disbelieved (the Message),
ever considered this: the heavens and the earth were at
first one mass; then We parted them [1], and created
every living thing from water [2] ? Do they not
acknowledge (that this is Our Creation?) And We
set mountains firmly in the earth lest it should tilt to
one side along with them [3], and We left therein open
paths [4], so that they may find their way [4].
And We made the sky a safe canopy [5], but in spite of this
they do not pay due heed to its signs . And
it is Allah, Who has made the night and the day and
created the sun and the moon; all of them are
floating, each in its own orbit [6]
[1] From the word of the Text, it appears that at first
the whole universe was a single mass of matter; then it
was split into different parts and the earth and the other
heavenly bodies were formed.
[2] From the word of the Text, it appears that Allah made water
the cause and origin of life.
[3] This shows that the real function of mountains is to regulate
the motion and speed of the Earth. We have come to this
conclusion for the Quran has made this benefit of
mountains very prominent in many places. Therefore, their other
benefits should be regarded as incidental.
[4] "Open paths" are the passes between high mountains and the
valleys and ravines made by the rivers in the mountains regions
and other natural ways that connect different regions on the
earth.
[5] This is a very meaningful sentence. It may mean that the people
may find paths for travelling on the earth, and it may also mean
that the wisdom that underlies the skill and the system of
their creation may guide them to the Reality.
[6] That is, "Those signs which are in the sky".
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Translations/Explanations from Maududi's Tafseer.
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QURAN: The Universe is Expanding
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The following is a verse of the Quran (51:47) where
God is speaking, may perhaps be compared with modern ideas:
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily,
We are expanding it."
Quran, 51:47
'Heaven' is the translation of the Arabic word 'sama' and this is
exactly the extra-terrestrial world that is meant.
'We are expanding it' is the translation of the plural present
participate musi'una of the verb ausa'a meaning 'to make wider,
more spacious, to extend, to expand'.
Some translators were unable to grasp the meaning of the
latter provide translations that appear to me to be mistaken,
e.g. "we give generously" (R. Blachere). Others sense the
meaning, but are afraid to commit themselves: Hamidullah in his
translation of the Quran talks of the widening of the heavens
and space, but he includes a question mark. Finally, there are
those who arm themselves with authorized scientific opinion in
their commentaries and give the meaning stated here. This is
true in the case of the Muntakab, a book of commentaries edited
by the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Cairo. It refers
to the expansion of the Universe in totally unambiguous terms.
Taken from:
Maurice Bucaille
The Bible The Quran And Science
'La Bible, le Coran et la Science'
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Final Destination of the Sun
-----------------------------
"(God) subjected the sun and the moon: each one runs
its course to an appointed term."
Quran,35:13
"The Sun runs its course to a settled place. This is the
decree of the All Mighty, the Full of Knowledge."
Quran,36:38
"Settled place" is the translation of the word 'mustaqarr' and
there can be no doubt that the idea of an exact place is
attached to it.
How do these statements fare when compared with data
established by modern science?
^^^^^^^^
The Quran gives an end to the Sun for its evolution and a
destination place. It also provides the Moon with a settled place.
To understand the possible meanings of these statements, we must
remember what modern knowledge has to say about the evolution of
the stars in general and the Sun in particular, and (by extension)
the celestial bodies that automatically followed its movement
through space, among them the Moon.
The Sun is a star that is roughly 4.5 billion years old,
according to experts in astrophysics. It is possible to
distinguish a stage in its evolution, as one can for all the
stars. At present, the Sun is at an early stage, characterized
by the transformation of hydrogen atoms into helium atoms.
Theoretically, this present stage should last another 5.5
billion years according to calculations that allow a total of 10
billion years for the duration of the primary stage in a star of
this kind. It has already been shown, in the case of these other
stars, that this stage gives way to a second period characterized
by the completion of the transformation of hydrogen into helium,
with the resulting expansion of its external layers and the cooling of the
Sun. In the final stage, its light is greatly diminished and
density considerably increased; this is to be observed in the type
of star known as a 'white dwarf'.
The above dates are only of interest in as far as they give
a rough estimate of the time factor involved, what is worth
remembering and is really the main point of the above, is the
notion of an evolution. Modern data allow us to predict that,
in a few billion years, the conditions prevailing in the solar
system will not be the same as they are today. Like other stars
whose transformations have been recorded until they reached their
final stage, it is possible to predict an end to the Sun.
The second verse quoted above (36:38) referred to
the Sun running its course towards a place of its own.
Modern astronomy has been able to locate it exactly and
has even given it a name, the Solar Apex: the solar system is
indeed evolving in space towards a point situated in the
Constellation of Hercules (alpha lyrae) whose exact location
is firmly established; it is moving at a speed already ascertained
at something in the region of 12 miles per second.
All these astronomical data deserve to be mentioned in the
relation to the two verses in Quran, since it is possible to
state that they appear to agree perfectly with modern scientific data.
Taken From:
Maurice Bucaille
The Bible The Quran And Science
'La Bible, le coran et la Science'
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"O assembly of Jinns (spirits) and Men, if you can penetrate
regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate!
You will not be able to penetrate them except with a
Power. So O Jinn and men, which of your Lord's
powers will you deny? If you try to escape, a flame
of fire and smoke shall be let loose upon you, which you
will not be able to withstand." Quran 55:33-36
Commentary & Analysis:
The word "if" expresses in English a condition that is
dependent upon a possibility AND either an achievable or
an unachievable hypothesis. Arabic is a language which
is able to introduce a nuance into the condition which is
much more explicit. There is one word to express the
possibility (ida), another for the achievable hypothesis
(in), and a third for the unachievable hypothesis
expresed by the word 'lau'. The verse in question
has it as an achievable hypothesis expressed by the word
'in'. The Quran therefore suggests the material
possibility of a concrete realization. This subtle
linguistic distinction formally rules out the purely
mystic interpretation that some people have (quiet wrongly)
put on this verse.
God is addressing the spirits (jinn) and humans (ins),
and not essentially allegorical figures.
To penetrate is the translation of the verb 'nafada'
followed by the preposition 'min'. According to
Kazimirski's dictionary, the phrase means 'to pass
right through and come out on the other side of a body'.
For example, an arrow that comes out on the other side.
It therefore suggests a deep penetration and emergence
at the other end into the regions in question.
The Power (sultan) these men will have to achieve this
enterprise would seem to come from the All-Mighty.
There can be no doubt that this verse indicates the
possibility men will one day achieve what we today
call (perhaps rather improperly) 'the conquest of
space.'. One must note that the text of Quran
predicts not only penetration through the regions
of the Heavens, but also the Earth, i.e. the exploration
of its depths.
The Arabic word 'shuwaz', as used in the original, means
the pure, smokeless flame, and 'nuhas' is the the gross
smoke without a flame. These two things, one after the
other, will be let loose upon the men and jinn, when
they try to penetrate the regions.
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Explanation/Translations from:
'La Bible, le coran et la Science'
Maurice Bucaille
(The Bible, The Quran, And Science)
The Meaning of Quran
S. Abul A'la Maududi
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Y Rapido
Bahareh (Kitty) wrote:
>
> Just a question... I don't seem to be able to find such thing in Quran.
>
> Kitty
It does not exist in Quran. It only exists as Arab tribal folklore,
that has nothing to do with Islam. It is primitivism taken to extreme;
it is JUDGEMENTALISM, and falsely imposed monachism which is a part of
pre-Muhammad tribal culture and God knows what else ...
Farzad W.
Please read Surah Noor Aya#35. All Muslim scholars with no exception agree
that it talks about covering the hair.
Covering the face is Arab tribal tradition and it's b/c of the heat of the
desert. Even non Muslims used to cover their face to protect their skin
from the heat of the sun.
Rafiq
Y Rapido <rap...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>Bahareh (Kitty) wrote:
>>
>> Just a question... I don't seem to be able to find such thing in Quran.
>>
>> Kitty
>
>It does not exist in Quran. It only exists as Arab tribal folklore,
>that has nothing to do with Islam. It is primitivism taken to extreme;
>it is JUDGEMENTALISM, and falsely imposed monachism which is a part of
>pre-Muhammad tribal culture and God knows what else ...
Now why on earth would pre-Islamic pagans who thought their women were
worse than death, would cover them with the "hijab". I think you
should get outta this newsgroup tres RAPIDO and think before you post
for once instead of showing us how much of a bigot you really are.
Mazen Mokhtar
Bahareh (Kitty) wrote:
>
> Just a question... I don't seem to be able to find such thing in Quran.
>
> Kitty
In the sura called Annour (Light), verses 30 and 31, we find:
"30. Say to the believing men that they cast down their looks
and guard their private parts; that is purer for them;
surely Allah is Aware of what they do.
31. And say to the believing women that they cast down their
looks and guard their private parts and do not display their
ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them use
their head-coverings to cover their bosoms, and not display
their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers,
or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons
of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers'
sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom
their right hands possess, or the male servants not having
need (of women), or the children who have not attained
knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not
strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments
may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so
that you may be successful.
"
Notice that Allah (SWT) says: "and let them use their head-coverings
to cover their bosoms."
The above ayah presupposes as a given that 'believing women' cover
their heads.
For the original command, one can find in the teachings of the
messenger (PBUH) rules and guidelines on how to dress.
Mazen Mokhtar
AMemon3404
Kitty, Muslims follow bothe the quran and the sunnah, without the sunnah
many commandments in the quran would not be described well enough for any
muslim to practice. For example, prayer, and salat. Hijaab is described in
the ayat 33:59 and a couple more....im very surprised you havent found
them. the commandment of covering ones hair falls into the category
referring to "hiding ones adornments," it is clearly established through
the prophet muhammad (s) during his lifetime. (the covering of the hair
and everthing else, except for the hands and face for believeing women in
general) Anyone who denies this establishment also denies Salat as we
preform it, the actions and recitations, and Saum, its rules and
regulations.
Y Rapido
Rafiq wrote:
> Now why on earth would pre-Islamic pagans who thought their women were
> worse than death, would cover them with the "hijab". I think you
> should get outta this newsgroup tres RAPIDO and think before you post
> for once instead of showing us how much of a bigot you really are.
rap: The enemies of Islam are very often VULGAR, rude and badmouthed --
which occasionally shows, like in the above posting. Enslavement of
women, by enforcing the unequal treatment is basically PAGAN and not
civilized. One is getting sick and tired of ancient Arab paganism being
pushed here as "Islam". All of you pagans, male chauvinists, slave
masters, and other primitives listen to this: get yourselves CIVILIZED
and than come to the world where woman is equal to the man, to preach!
Free the women and let them live like HUMAN BEINGS -- as God granted
them!
AMemon3404
mashAllah excellent answer, but protection is not the only purpose of
hijaab it is also worn to distinguish the muslim from nonmuslims. This is
a major reason hijaab is worn in Islam. Salaam Alaikum.
Michael Voytinsky
In article <ccfarzad-080...@mizzou-ts4-13.missouri.edu>,
ccfa...@showme.missouri.edu says...
>> It does not exist in Quran. It only exists as Arab tribal folklore,
>> that has nothing to do with Islam. It is primitivism taken to extreme;
>> it is JUDGEMENTALISM, and falsely imposed monachism which is a part of
>> pre-Muhammad tribal culture and God knows what else ...
>
>Please read Surah Noor Aya#35. All Muslim scholars with no exception agree
>that it talks about covering the hair.
In my copy of the Quran aya#35 does not seem to apply to this issue at all.
I understand there are some slightly different numbering schemes. (I
am using the AYI translation.) Are you referring to the verse that
starts with "And say to the believing women that they should lower their
gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty
and ornaments..."?
If so, you are evading the question. To say that all Muslim scholars agree
on something is not identical to whether the Quran says something.
Peace
Michael
Kitty
How can two Qurans be different? How do you know which is right?
right bAshid,
Kitty
Muslim
In article <4s0m0n$16...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>How can two Qurans be different? How do you know which is right?
>
>right bAshid,
>
>Kitty
There's only one Quran. I'm not sure what you mean "two Qurans".
If you're referring to the previous post, then please understand
that what the person was talking about was the NUMBERING
sequence of the chapters of Quran. Some think that chapter
1 should be Baqarah, and some think that it should be
Fatiah. Doesn't matter. Quran is only one.
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Assalum Alaykum.
The Quran does not actually say explicitly that hijaab must be worn. The
two ayats in question imply that women should draw their outer garments
around themselves. However the tafsir of these two ayats that is found in
Abu Dawoods collection of Hadith states that as soon as the women of
Medina heard these two verses they rushed to cover their hair and faces.
Bahareh (Kitty)
hmmm, well, how do you know over 1400 years that some of the things
haven't been subtracted from Quran?
Kitty
AMemon3404
I am just writing to ask you, who is involved in this numbering of sura
controversy, i didnt know it existed. Possibly kittys message was
referring to the translation, because i have never heard of any
argumentation considering the order of the quran, within islamic scholarly
circles, also i was not aware that qurans existed with this different
numbering of the suras. Please write me and elaborate, because as far as i
know, the notion of this type of debate is nonexistant? -nimra Salaam
Alaikum
Muslim
In article <4s3me5$s...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> "Bahareh (Kitty)" <.> writes:
>hmmm, well, how do you know over 1400 years that some of the things
>haven't been subtracted from Quran?
>
>Kitty
Another good question. I must say, you're now starting to think
like a real Muslim. Questioning the authenticity intellectually
is important to convince oneself of the truth.
In Islam, Muslims are not supposed to base thier belief in
Allah, Quran, Mohammad [pbuh], etc on emotional basis
alone.
We have to be convinced intellectually as well.
Here's an article that addresses the authenticity of Quran
and its preservation:
-----------------------------------F O R W A R D E D A R T I C L E--------
From: zs...@ix.netcom.com (zia shah)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Quran: preserved for ever
Date: 15 Jun 1995 14:24:19 GMT
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QURAN: PRESERVED FOR EVER.
Verily, We Ourselves have sent down this Exhortation, and most
surely We will be its Guardian, (Al-Hijr, 15:10)
This verse furnishes a powerful proof of the truth of the Quran and of
its divine origin. In fact, the promise about the preservation of the
Quran made in this verse has been remarkably fulfilled that even if
there had been no other proof of the truth of Islam, this alone would
have sufficed to establish its divine origin.
The statement that God Himself is the Guardian of the Quran does not
mean that angels do not guard it. They also do so, for when the master
himself is guarding a thing, the servants must also be necessarily
engaged in that service. By saying, most surely We will be its
Guardian, God, however, points to the fact that there are certain
peculiarities of the Quran which it is beyond the power of angels to
guard and therefore, God Himself has undertaken to do that work.
This Sura was revealed at Mecca. According to Ibn Hisham, it was
revealed in the fourth year of the Holy Prophet's ministry. Sprenger,
Rodwell and Noldeke all agree that it belongs to the Meccan period. Now
it is a well known fact that during the Meccan period, the life of the
Holy Prophet and his followers was extremely precarious. They did not
even know how to save themselves or where to hide themselves. For no
less than three years the Prophet and his few helpless followers were
virtually imprisoned in the Shi'b (valley) of Abu Talib from where they
could not venture out. They were under a ban. Is it not then
astonishing that when the very lives of Muslims were in peril and the
enemy was so strong that he could easily crush the new Faith,
disbelievers were challenged to do all that lay in their power to
destroy the Quran, and were told that God would frustrate all thei
r designs because He Himself was its Guardian? The challenge was open
and unequivocal and the enemy strong and ruthless. But what was the
result? The Prophet and his Companions not only remained safe and
sound but throve and prospered and the number of converts continued to
swell and the Quran remained safe against all corruption and has ever
continued to enjoy perfect security. This distinctive feature of the
Quran has not been shared by any other book revealed to any other
Prophet.
Sir William Muir, the well known critic of Islam, says about the Quran:
"We may, upon the strongest presumption, affirm that every verse in the
Quran is the genuine and unaltered composition of Mohammad himself."
Again, "There is otherwise every security, internal and external, that
we possess the text which Mohammad himself gave forth and used." Again,
"To compare (as the Muslims are fond of doing) their pure text with the
various readings of our Scriptures, is to compare things between which
there is no analogy." (Introduction to " The Life of Mohammad").
Prof. Noldeke, the great German Orientalist writes as follows: " Slight
clerical errors there may have been, but the Quran of Othman contains
none but genuine elements, though sometimes in very strange order.
Efforts of European scholars to prove the existence of later
interpolations in the Quran have failed." (Enc. Brit.).
Professor Nicholson, says in his "Literary History of the Arabs": "Here
(in the Quran we have materials of unique and incontestable authority
for tracing the origin and early development of Islam -- such materials
as do not exist in the case of Buddhism or Christianity or any other
ancient religion."
The importance of this security of the Quranic text is further enhanced
when we compare it with other revealed Scriptures. The Quran was
revealed among an illiterate people, while most other scriptures were
revealed among peoples who were comparatively more literate and
therefore better qualified to preserve the purity of their Scriptures.
Yet they failed to do so, while the Quran, the most widely read of all
revealed Scriptures, enjoys complete immunity from all sorts of
corruption. This miraculous preservation of the Quranic text is no mere
accident. It has been brought by the special providence of God in
accordance with an openly declared prophecy of
the Quran.
The means adopted to safeguard the purity of the text of the Quran have
been briefly referred to in verse 2 in the memorable words 'Al-kitab'
(the written Book) and 'Quran e Mubeen' (the illuminating Recital)
signifying:
(a) That every verse of the Quran was committed to writing as soon as
it was revealed and this writing was most tenaciously preserved. (b)
That it was committed to memory as soon as revealed by a number of
Muslims. And this pious practice has increasingly continued so much so
that in the past centuries hundreds of thousands of Muslims have had
the entire Quran literally on the tips of their tongues. Add to this
the fact that from the very beginning of Islam the recital of parts of
the Quran in the five daily Prayers was made obligatory.
The following additional factors also very materially contributed to
the preservation of the Quran:
(1) That God has inspired the Muslims with an extraordinary love for
the Quran. They enjoy the reading of the Book even if they do not
understand the meaning of the text. This leads to its being preserved
in their hearts.
(2) That the rhythm of the Quran is so sweet and its language so
charming and so easy to learn and the construction of its sentences so
beautiful that it can be committed to memory with great ease.
(3) That God so ordained that immediately after the Quranic revelation
became complete, it spread far and wide, to the remotest corners of the
world, among all nations and all peoples, so that it became practically
impossible for anyone to tamper with its text.
(4) That from the beginning the Quran formed for Muslims the basis of
all the sciences and learning they acquired and developed with a view
to serving it. Various branches of knowledge such as Grammar, Rhetoric,
History, Philosophy and Logic were cultivated and developed by Muslims
for the sake of a better understanding of their holy Book.
(5) That God has preserved Arabic, the language of the Quran, as a
living language, while the languages of all other revealed Books, which
were not meant to last for ever, have become practically dead.
Again, it is not only the text of the Quran that has been preserved
intact by God. He has provided for the preservation of its spirit also.
This has been done by raising divinely inspired Reformers among the
Muslims from time to time. These Reformers, known in Islamic
terminology as Mujaddids, receive revelations from God and interpret
and explain the true meaning of the Quranic text. Such Reformers
appeared among the followers of other religions also, but that was only
for so long as such Scriptures served as guides for their followers.
After the advent of Islam, however, all other religious systems and
their Scriptures, which were intended only for specific periods and
specific peoples, became abrogated and divinely inspired Reformers
ceased to appear among them. Now, therefore, the Quran alone among all
revealed Scriptures of the world holds the field as a living book
and hence divinely inspired Reformers now appear only among the
followers of Islam. The appearance of such reformers in itself
constitutes proof of the living power of a religion and its Scripture
inasmuch as they are really the fruit of their religion and their
appearance proves its efficacy.
The question here arises, if the Scriptures revealed to the previous
Prophets have not been preserved in their original purity, what
guarantee is there to believe that the Quran would enjoy permanent
security? In this connection it should be noted that the promise of
protection made by God in this verse mentions the word 'Al Zikr'
(rendered in the text as "this Exhortation") and not the Quran or any
other word; and herein lies the answer to the above question. For, to
become deserving of the permanent protection of God it is essential
that the divine revelation should be 'Al Zikr' of which the necessary
attributes are. (1) that it should establish a close and permanent
relationship between man and his Maker, inspiring in the former
constant remembrance of God, the word 'Zikr' meaning remembering; and
(2) that it should elevate man to a state where God may also remember
him or in other words favor him with His words and with heavenly help,
the word 'Zikr' also meaning eminence. 'the verse under comment thus
purports to mean that God undertakes to protect any Scripture so long
as it serves the above two purposes. But when, through changes in the
conditions and circumstances of man, any Scripture ceases to perform
these functions and God, in infallible wisdom, deems it necessary to
reveal another Scripture, He naturally ceases to extend His protection
to earlier revelations.
I will Inshallah (God willing) post more on this subject.
Kitty
hmmm, do you Muslims think it's fair for women to wear hejAb while men don't?
Kitty
>
Kitty
ad...@netcom.com (Muslim) wrote:
>In article <4s3me5$s...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> "Bahareh (Kitty)" <.> writes:
>
>>hmmm, well, how do you know over 1400 years that some of the things
>>haven't been subtracted from Quran?
>>
>>Kitty
>
>
>Another good question. I must say, you're now starting to think
>like a real Muslim.
Well, now is a good time to tell you I'm officially a Muslim! You know,
my parents are Muslims therefore I'm a Muslim. But in my heart I'm
really an agnostic. I doubt the existance of God. That's why I'm asking
about it;-)
> Questioning the authenticity intellectually
>is important to convince oneself of the truth.
Good, I thought it was just me!!
>In Islam, Muslims are not supposed to base thier belief in
>Allah, Quran, Mohammad [pbuh], etc on emotional basis
>alone.
> We have to be convinced intellectually as well.
hmmm, I don't quiet see that. Do you believe that your prophit did
'shagol amar' (cut the moon in half)?
>
>Here's an article that addresses the authenticity of Quran
>and its preservation:
>
>
>-----------------------------------F O R W A R D E D A R T I C L E--------
>
>From: zs...@ix.netcom.com (zia shah)
>Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
>Subject: Quran: preserved for ever
>Date: 15 Jun 1995 14:24:19 GMT
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>QURAN: PRESERVED FOR EVER.
>
>
> Verily, We Ourselves have sent down this Exhortation, and most
> surely We will be its Guardian, (Al-Hijr, 15:10)
>
>
>
>This verse furnishes a powerful proof of the truth of the Quran and of
>its divine origin. In fact, the promise about the preservation of the
>Quran made in this verse has been remarkably fulfilled that even if
>there had been no other proof of the truth of Islam, this alone would
>have sufficed to establish its divine origin.
>
>
>The statement that God Himself is the Guardian of the Quran does not
>mean that angels do not guard it. They also do so, for when the master
>himself is guarding a thing, the servants must also be necessarily
>engaged in that service. By saying, most surely We will be its
>Guardian, God, however, points to the fact that there are certain
>peculiarities of the Quran which it is beyond the power of angels to
>guard and therefore, God Himself has undertaken to do that work.
so far this is all emotional. Nothing logical. (not to me anyways)
that's true!! But that's only because they think they're doing 'savAb'
(how do you say it in English? Good deed?)
>
>(2) That the rhythm of the Quran is so sweet and its language so
>charming and so easy to learn and the construction of its sentences so
>beautiful that it can be committed to memory with great ease.
huh! Arabic is not easy to learn! I studied Arabic for three years and I
studies English for three... i can't understand a word of Arabic but I'm
very comfortable with English.
>
>(3) That God so ordained that immediately after the Quranic revelation
>became complete, it spread far and wide, to the remotest corners of the
>world, among all nations and all peoples, so that it became practically
>impossible for anyone to tamper with its text.
Yes, that was a horrible thing Muslims did. I hope you understand that i
do not mean to in any way insult your religion. But I must say that IMHO
religions should only be taught and not forced.
>
>(4) That from the beginning the Quran formed for Muslims the basis of
>all the sciences and learning they acquired and developed with a view
>to serving it. Various branches of knowledge such as Grammar, Rhetoric,
>History, Philosophy and Logic were cultivated and developed by Muslims
>for the sake of a better understanding of their holy Book.
>
>(5) That God has preserved Arabic, the language of the Quran, as a
>living language, while the languages of all other revealed Books, which
>were not meant to last for ever, have become practically dead.
Islam is not very ancient compared to many other religions.
that's quiet interesting...
Kitty
>
>
>
Muslim
In article <4s70ol$19...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>Well, now is a good time to tell you I'm officially a Muslim! You know,
>my parents are Muslims therefore I'm a Muslim. But in my heart I'm
>really an agnostic. I doubt the existance of God. That's why I'm asking
>about it;-)
To be a Muslim one must believe in 'La Ilaha Illallah, Muhammadur
Rasul Allah' (There's nothing worthy of worship except ALLAH,
and Mohammad' is HIS last messenger)
And you must PRACTICE Islam also to be considered a Muslim.
There's no such thing as non-practicing Muslim. Such people
do anything they please that Muslims are NOT supposed to do,
yet still call themselves Muslims. THis is hypocrisy.
Also, you're parents being muslim doesn't mean anything.
Muslims are not a race, or ethnicity. They're part of a
belief system, Islam, and PRACTICE it.
Belief in Allah and Islam is not SUFFICIENT to be Muslim,
because SATAN (Iblees) also believes in Allah, and all of
Islam to be true, yet he disobeys Allah.
If you doubt in the existence of God, take a look at this:
Islam is built upon one basis, namely, the doctrine (Aqeeda)
which states that there is only one god, Allah,
Who is beyond the universe, man, and life, Who created
them all, Who created everything, Who created things out
of nothing and Who is consequently self-subsistent, i.e.
He is not created, otherwise He would not be a creator;
and as Allah is depicted as being the creator, it is
impossible that He be created. Thus, He is self-subsistent,
because all things depend for their existence on Him while
He does not depend on anything.
As for the need of things to be created by a creator, the
things which the mind comprehends are: man, life and
the universe; all are finite; and consequently they are
powerless, imperfect and in need of others. Man is
finite because in everything he grows to a certain limit
that he cannot surpass. Thus he is limited. Life is
finite because it manifests itself in individuals, and
it is observed to end in the individual, so it is limited.
The universe is finite because it is the sum of the celestial
planets, and each planet is finite, and the sum of finite things
is finite, thus the universe is limited. Therefore, man,
life and the universe are definitely finite. When one
ponders upon the finite one concludes that it is not eternal-
by definition- otherwise it would not be finite; and as such
it must have been created by someone other than that body.
This other body is the creator of man, life and universe.
This Creator is either created by someone else or He
is the creator of Himself or He is eternal, self-subsisting.
Clearly it is absolutely incorrect that He is created by
someone else, because if that was so He would be finite.
As for creating Himself, it is equally false, because if it
were so He would be simultaneously Creator and created
which is absurd. Hence, the Creator must be eternal,
self-subsistent. We call the Creator, Allah.
Notwithstanding this, every person with the capacity to think
can comprehend from the mere existence of things that they
have a Creator who created them, because one conceives
them to be imperfect, powerless and in need of others;
thus they are definitely created. Therefore, it is
sufficient to draw one's attention to anything in the
universe, man and life to deduce that there exists
a Creator, the Governor. Hence, looking at any planet
in the universe, contemplating on any phase of life, or
comprehending any aspect of man provides a conclusive
evidence for the existence of Allah. Accordingly, we
see that the Holy Quran draws attention to things and
calls man to ponder upon them, their surroundings, that
which is related to them, and to deduce from this existence
of Allah. Man observes how things are in need of other
things and concludes from this that there is definitely
the Creator, the Governor. Hundreds of Quranic verses
convey this understanding.
So let man consider from what he is created. He is
created from a gushing fluid. That issued from between
the loins and ribs. 86:5-7
Behold! In the creation of the Heavens and the earth,
and the alternation of night and day, there are indeed
signs for men of understanding. quran 3:190
And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth,
and the difference of your languages and colors. Lo! Herein
indeed are portents for men of knowledge. 30:22
Will they not regard the camels, how they are created ?
And the heaven, how it is raised ! And the hills, how they
are set up ! And the earth, how it is spread! 88:17-20
Lo ! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the
difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon
the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water
which Allah sends down from the sky, thereby reviving the
earth after its death, and dispersing of all kinds of
beasts therein, and in the ordinance of the winds, and the
clouds obedient between heaven and earth; are signs (of Allah)
for people who have sense. 2:164
In addition to this, there are so many signs that summon man
to contemplate deeply upon things, their surroundings, and that
which is related to them; and to deduce from this the existence
of the Creator, the Governor, so that man's belief in Allah
be firmly fixed as it is derived from the intellect and
evidence.
Verily, belief in the Creator, the Governor, is instinctive
in everyone, but this instinctive belief comes via emotions,
a way which, on its own, produces neither reliable nor
fixed outcomes. the emotions often add untrue things
to one's belief due to conceiving untrue things as obligatory
attributes to what one believes in, thereby going astray and
falling into disbelief. Idolatry, superstitions and mythology
are the result of emotional belief. Therefore, so as not to
ascribe certain attributes contradicting the nature of divinity,
or to consider Allah incarnated in material substance, thus leading
to atheism or polytheism, or to fancies and superstitions, all of
which are renounced by true faith; Islam did not leave
the emotions as the sole way to belief. This is why it
compels the use of the mind with emotions, and obliges the muslim
to use his mind to believe in Allah and forbids imitation in the
creed. Hence, Islam has assigned the mind to be the arbiter of
belief in Allah.
Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the
alternation of night and day, these are indeed signs for men
of understanding. 3:190
The call to look deeply in the universe to deduce its codes
and to be guided to the belief in its Creator is repeated
frequently in the Quran hundreds of times in different chapters;
all of which are directed to man's rational capacity,
inviting him to think deeply and to contemplate
so as to build his belief upon the mind and evidence, warning
him not to imitate what his forefathers were following without
reflecting, contemplating and conviction in being correct.
This is the faith Islam called for. It is the faith of
the enlightened assured person who looked and looked,
thought and thought, until he obtained by this process
of looking and thinking the conviction in the existence
of Allah the Omnipotent.
Although the use of the mind to arrive at the correct faith
in Allah is compulsory, man is unable to comprehend beyond his
senses and mental capacity, because man's mind, no matter how
it develops and grows, is limited in itself and its ability
with non-transgressable limits. Therefore, the mind's ability
to comprehend the nature of Allah, because He is beyond the
universe, man and life. As the human mind cannot comprehend
what is beyond man, it is unable to comprehend the essence of
Allah. Accordingly, one does not ask how does man believe
in Allah by his mind while his mind cannot comprehend the
essence of Allah, because ones belief is a belief in the
existence of Allah. This existence is comprehensible
through the existence of His creations, i.e. the universe,
man and life, all of which are comprehensible, because
they are within the bounds of the mind. Thus, man
comprehends them, and from this he comprehends the
existence of a creator of them who is Allah. Therefore
the belief in the existence of a Allah is rational and within
the realm of mind's potential. This is contrary to the
comprehension of the essence of Allah which is impossible,
as His essence is beyond the universe, man and life, in other
words, beyond the mind. The mind cannot comprehend
that which is beyond its limits, because of its
inability to do so. This deficiency, itself, should be
one of the factors that strengthens the belief and not a
source of suspicion and doubt.
Muslim
In article <4s70ol$19...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>that's true!! But that's only because they think they're doing 'savAb'
>(how do you say it in English? Good deed?)
yes. there's a reward for reciting and memorizing quran. savab.
>studies English for three... i can't understand a word of Arabic but I'm
>very comfortable with English.
Sorry to hear that.
>Yes, that was a horrible thing Muslims did. I hope you understand that i
>do not mean to in any way insult your religion. But I must say that IMHO
>religions should only be taught and not forced.
What is so horrible about spreading the beautiful truth of Islam?
Everywhere the Muslims went, they spread it among other folks,
and many accepted and while some others didn't.
Islam is not a religion. Its a SYSTEM, a Deen. God didn't
send it for Muslims only, its duty upon Muslims to teach
and spread it to entire humanity. Islam forbids forcing
anyone to practice. No one forced me, nor my parents nor
my great great parntes, who were hindus. Muslims are required
to spread Islam and teach its message to everyone, and let
the people decide to accept it or reject it. Quran states
that Had God willed so, He would have made veryone a believer,
but He didn't. He wanted free choice left upto individuals.
If you think anyone forces another to practice Islam you're
greatly mistaken. This is absurd. What makes you think
one would practice under compulsion, and pass it on to
their children as well? Muslims in USA, and UK, France,
Europea are all free to leave Islam. But they continue
to practice and teach it, and Allah's mercy, islam is the
fastest growing faith in USA, and Europe. Wherever you
learned that islam was spread by force is a lie, and
delierbate attempt to misinform and cause hatred.
Nowhere in the history has anyone been compelled
to accept Islam. Christians are known for forcing
thier faith on other, historically, not Muslims.
Under Spanish Inquisition, Muslims and Jews were forced
to become Christians, or leave the land. This happened
after some 800 years of Muslim rule in Spain, which produced
one of the greatest society the world has yet to see again.
A society rooted in Islam and Science, and learning, and knowledge.
Islam was accepted by many different people of different cultures
and languages, and continues to be so.
I think the real Muslim is one who is given free choice
to do all kinds of sin, but choses to be on straight path
of Islam. Millions of Muslims live in USA,
UK, France, and other European states. In France,
some 9% of population is now Muslims. There's no
compulsion whatsoever, and they're free to leave thier faith,
yet they do not. In places like Pakistan, Egypt, etc
Islam has been corrupted, distorted, and become
difficult to practice it (without going to prison).
The corrupted and hypocrite regimes ruling much of Muslim
land are actually doing more harm to Islam themselves
than enemies of Islam. The ruling classes exploit and
abuse islam to gain power, and keep real Muslims
from establishing peace and justice through the land.
That is why, you'll see many muslim lands to be in
civil war, the oppressed people fighting to overthrow
corrupt regimes (which are backed by West).
AMemon3404
Dear kitty, i have just recently (last semester) taken a medieval islamic
history class and i reassure you that NO one was forced to become muslim
during the initial conquest ofiran as you claim...see many people so that
they wouldnt have to pay the Jizya(islamic tax imposed on nonmuslims in
muslim states). Actually the libraries wee bulit during the islamic
empires prescence in iran. At the time the Sassanian(persian ) empire was
very vulnerable by the byzantine empire and internal strife. To quote from
my Encyclopedia Brittanica vol 21 macropedia 15 ed. "The sassanid end was
not ignomonious, but it was not the end of Iran. rather, it marked a new
beginning. within two centuries, iranian civilazation was revived with a
cultural amalgam, with patterns of art and thought, with attitudes and a
sophistication that were indepted to its pre-islamic iranian heritag-a
heritage changed but also stirred into fresh life by the Arab-Muslim
conquest." Iran at times dominated the muslim world in its leadership, ex:
the buyuzid dynasty...revolutionaries. the cities of Iran were key in the
advancement of islam. This library you are referring to no doubt may have
been destroyed inthe name of islam, but i assure this was not systematic.
Through islam knowledge was transferred even provoking the renaisannace.
Didnt you ever wonder why the renaissance began in Italy, when northern
europe flourished gretaer under it than the south, it is because of the
transfer of knowlede existing between the Fatamids (north African Muslim
empire) and Scicilians, and italians. Also the graduation gown, comes from
the arab abayah because it is well known that the "educated" people wre
the muslims and whenever the europeans wished to be ducated they would
travel to the islamic lands. i hope i have helped you with this issue.
Also you must note, "there is no compulsion in religion" No one is or
should be forced to be Muslim, it is unislamic. Under islam one can notice
the tolerance never before seen to people of other faiths. In fact this
tolerance is actually what led to the fall of the Muslim empire, these
other religious minorities proliferated on their own and overthrew their
leaders. This is all very interesting, take a medieval Islamic hist your
interested, thanx, nimra
Kitty
ad...@netcom.com (Muslim) wrote:
>In article <4s70ol$19...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>
>
>>that's true!! But that's only because they think they're doing 'savAb'
>>(how do you say it in English? Good deed?)
>
what good is it when you don't know what you are saying? I have many
parts of Quran memorized myself but i find it useless because I don't
know what it means.
>
>
>>studies English for three... i can't understand a word of Arabic but I'm
>>very comfortable with English.
>
>
>Sorry to hear that.
that's okay, I can live with it.
>
>
>>Yes, that was a horrible thing Muslims did. I hope you understand that i
>>do not mean to in any way insult your religion. But I must say that IMHO
>>religions should only be taught and not forced.
>
>What is so horrible about spreading the beautiful truth of Islam?
spreading by force? you don't see anything wrong with that?
>Everywhere the Muslims went, they spread it among other folks,
>and many accepted and while some others didn't.
in their hearts maybe, but when Muslims came to my country (Iran), they
burned the 'Atashkadeh's they burned the liberaries they burned many
things and then Iran became a country under islamic rules. It still is a
country under islamic rules. If I go to Iran and say that I think there
is no such thing as God, they will prison me or kill me. don't tell me
you see nothing wrong with that.
>
>Islam is not a religion. Its a SYSTEM, a Deen. God didn't
>send it for Muslims only, its duty upon Muslims to teach
>and spread it to entire humanity.
teach, yes but not FORCE! i know, that I was made to be a Musilm. well,
maybe I don't agree with your rules, do I have to be forced to believe
them?
> Islam forbids forcing
>anyone to practice.
Then how come Muslims are doing it in my country? And in Saudia Arabia
and many other countries.
> No one forced me, nor my parents nor
>my great great parntes, who were hindus. Muslims are required
>to spread Islam and teach its message to everyone, and let
>the people decide to accept it or reject it. Quran states
>that Had God willed so, He would have made veryone a believer,
>but He didn't. He wanted free choice left upto individuals.
>
>If you think anyone forces another to practice Islam you're
>greatly mistaken.
What do you mean I'm mistaken? they -made- us pray in school.
Isn't that forcing?
> This is absurd. What makes you think
>one would practice under compulsion, and pass it on to
>their children as well? Muslims in USA, and UK, France,
>Europea are all free to leave Islam.
That is due to their free countries... What about Iran, Saudia Arabia, ect?
> But they continue
>to practice and teach it, and Allah's mercy, islam is the
>fastest growing faith in USA, and Europe. Wherever you
>learned that islam was spread by force is a lie, and
>delierbate attempt to misinform and cause hatred.
No, it's not a lie. I was there, I saw the remains of the liberary that
was burned 1000 years ago. I still see it everyday in my country.
>
>Nowhere in the history has anyone been compelled
>to accept Islam.
How can you say that? Are you living in some kind of a utopia world of
your own? US, Frace, UK, are free countries. I'm talking Islamic countries here.
> Christians are known for forcing
>thier faith on other, historically, not Muslims.
Well, I don't know what you call this if it isn't forcing.
>Under Spanish Inquisition, Muslims and Jews were forced
>to become Christians, or leave the land. This happened
>after some 800 years of Muslim rule in Spain, which produced
>one of the greatest society the world has yet to see again.
800 years ago? I'm talking NOW. Islam is being forced everyday in my
country.
>A society rooted in Islam and Science, and learning, and knowledge.
that's the problem. A soceity is made up of vaious people with diferent
races, religions, ect. So I think it should be free for people to choose.
>
>Islam was accepted by many different people of different cultures
>and languages, and continues to be so.
so is agnosticism.
>I think the real Muslim is one who is given free choice
>to do all kinds of sin, but choses to be on straight path
>of Islam. Millions of Muslims live in USA,
>UK, France, and other European states. In France,
>some 9% of population is now Muslims.
so who are all the rest who call themselves Muslims and force others to
their religion?
Kitty
P.S. I hope you don't see this as an insult or anything;-)
Kitty
this is all very interesting... thank you. As I remembered I read in a
persian book that the first liberarty ever to be built was burned by
Muslims... it could have been wrong, i don't know. I know one thing
though. I know that in Iran, they -make- women wear hejAb. and they
-make- children pray. And they -kill- whoever converts from Islam to any
other religion. Now you tell me this is not forcing?
Kitty
Syed Yusuf
Thus spake Kitty (.):
> >What is so horrible about spreading the beautiful truth of Islam?
> spreading by force? you don't see anything wrong with that?
De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear,
however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the
world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races
is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever
accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.)
--
Syed Yusuf <yusu...@uidaho.edu> | http://www.uidaho.edu/~yusuf921
Keep me away from Wisdom that does not Cry, Philosophy that does not Laugh,
and Greatness that does not bow before Children
--Kalil Gibran
Muslim
In article <4sckg2$u...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>though. I know that in Iran, they -make- women wear hejAb. and they
>-make- children pray. And they -kill- whoever converts from Islam to any
>other religion. Now you tell me this is not forcing?
>
>Kitty
In USA, they -make- women wear tops (cannot go topless, except for NY)
they -make- children study secularism and other man-made sick
doctrines and systems that are falling apart like capitalistic democracy,
and they -kill- whoever commits treason.
Now you tell me this is not forcing? In the
land of the FREE and DEMOCRACY ?
Farouq Taj
Hi Kitty,
: in their hearts maybe, but when Muslims came to my country (Iran), they
: burned the 'Atashkadeh's they burned the liberaries they burned many
: things and then Iran became a country under islamic rules. It still is a
: country under islamic rules. If I go to Iran and say that I think there
: is no such thing as God, they will prison me or kill me. don't tell me
: you see nothing wrong with that.
Kitty is this a criticism of the political establishment in Iran
or a general cricticism of Islam ? If the library's were burnt
by an Invading Muslim army is Islam at fault or the army ?
: teach, yes but not FORCE! i know, that I was made to be a Musilm. well,
: maybe I don't agree with your rules, do I have to be forced to believe
: them?
In a way we are all forced to follow a certain way of life in as much
as our parents determine what core values we are going to adopt.
What's the alternative ? To stop teaching kids moral values ? You've
got to determine whether it's your upbringing that is at fault or
Islam, I think your shooting at the wrong target.
: > Islam forbids forcing
: >anyone to practice.
: Then how come Muslims are doing it in my country? And in Saudia Arabia
: and many other countries.
Since when has Iran been a model Islamic country ? The political
establishment in Iran is based on the Shia doctrine, as far as Saudi
Arabia is concerned, Islamic movements are banned in Saudi Arabia, it is
hardly an Islamic country.
: What do you mean I'm mistaken? they -made- us pray in school.
: Isn't that forcing?
If they forced you to pray as an adult you would have a valid point.
Farouq Taj
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All opinions are mine and not those of Nortel
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Muslim
In article <4sf1bi$18...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Kitty <.> writes:
>anyone because it has. And I have proof of it, I am my proof! To me, a
>free country is where you are abselutely free to do anything as long as
>you are not taking away other people's rights.
>
>Kitty
>
How does one, in a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, and such a
diverse world, decide what is "taking away other people's rights"
really mean? And what if in a soceity, a certain act
is permitted, but it turns out to be taking away the
soceity's right as a whole? In other words, if something is permitted
in a society, how do we know for sure that that won't result in
infringing/hurting other people's rights, or the soceity's rights
collectively?
If you say that in a free soceity, Homosexuality should be
permitted (because you assume it won't take away the rights of
other's or the rights of soceity), and the entire soceity
falls apart because of, for example, AIDS, and people start
dying, would you still say that homosexuality should be
permitted ?
For example:
In Islam, fornication/adultery is looked at as a crime against society.
Thus you're not free to commit a crime against the society.
In West, this is not considered a crime at all. Even though the
society is falling apart because of excessive fonication/adultery
as one of the significant contributors to the downfall.
Freedom to have free sex has brought about all kinds of
social problems: AIDS, veneral diseases, divorce, adultery,
cheating on spouses, breakdown of family, child neglect and
abuse resulting from divorce and separated parents, loss of
wealth as a result of divorce, psychological problems,
and etc. Thus in Islam, fornication/adultery is looked
as a crime against Soceity, and is therefore
illegal, and punishable crime. A crime against one individual
is bad enough, let alone crime against the entire soceity.
Freedom of one person (e.g to be naked in public) infringes upon the right of
the society. Thus, freedom is restricted, and there's no such thing as
absolute freedom. Absolute freedom does not exist in ANY society, because
it simply leads to chaos. (It would probably exist in a one-person
society). The whole idea of a society, community, or nation also
implies that one must give up absolute freedom and be restricted
and contstrained by Rules and Laws. A community cannot
exist if every one has absolute freedom, and no laws. I never
understood what "USA is a free country" means when we are continously
subjected to all kinds of Laws, Rules, Regulations, Restrictions,
and such. There are books and volumes of laws that an individual
in this so called 'free' soceity is subjected to everyday, everywhere,
and all the time.
The truth is that Man does not know what is good and what is
bad. Defining what is 'good' and what is 'bad' is a
philosophical debate. There's really no definition to these
terms, as far as man can decide. What one man sees as 'good'
another man sees as 'bad'. In Islam, we acknowledge our
inability to determine good and bad, and we accept the
definitions of good and bad given to us what we believe
(intellectually and emotionaly) to be the Word of God,
which is the ABSOLUTE Good and ABsolute BAd. God's word
is not relative good or relative bad. Only man's definitions
of good and bad are relative and often change with time.
For example, homosexuality was considered 'bad' some 50 years
ago, and now its not a problem at all.
God's definition of good and bad are ABSOLUTE and never change
with time. And that is the reason why we "submit to the
Will of Allah", because our own will leads us to our
own destruction (in this world, and in the hereafter).
MAny socieites have fallen in past, including the so called
Islamic ones, for the reason that they left the Good/Bad
definitions of God, and took thier own definitions.
Muslim soceities of the past fell because of this reason as well.
Man thinks of something which he wishes for others,
and assumes that the entire soceity would benefit from it, and
that it would not infringe on other's rights, whereas in reality
and in the long run, it turns out to be the only reason
for his & the soceity's destruction
Many soceities have fallen in the past, and undoubtedly
USA is also falling apart. All this in the name of Freedom,
which doesn't really exist to begin with.
Having said all that, I find it perfectly logical and just
to FORCE individuals to obey laws that will prevent the destruction of the
society.
Muslim
From: EMF...@prodigy.com (Hyder Khan)
Subject: Freedom
Date: 4 Aug 1995 15:39:49 GMT
What is real freedom?
1 - Most of people believe that freedom is only
when there is no slavery or oppression of one human
over another. Islam, although believes in this
concept, has a higher definition of freedom. That
is freedom from slavery of your desires and
ambitions, and that is the worst slavery. For
example, one may be the slave of money or sex or
power and he or she will commit all types of crimes
and oppressions because of this slavery. The crime
ratio in US and Europe is higher than elsewhere
because of this type of slavery. And
interestingly, most of the people in this type of
slavery do not know they are slaves.
2 - Is obedience a type of slavery?
If children obey their parents or students obey
there teachers or wives obey their husbands this
type of obedience is because of love. So obedience
is nothing but real love. And love is nothing but
obedience. When a wife obeys her husband that is
because of love of Allah (God) and also because of
love of husband. Because marriage is an agreement
done for the pleasure of Allah.
3 - Marriage is not only lust but it is great
training for the purification of soul that is why
in Islam after marriage the sawab (reward) of one
rakat will be equal to seventy rakat because here
both parties are destroying animalistic character
like selfishness and sacrificing for one another.
4 - What is real pleasure?
Most of people think the pleasure only relates to
the body but real pleasure is satisfaction of soul.
For example, one can do this experiment anytime, if
one loves a type of food or a type of cloth very
much if he or she happen to give that to a needy
person this type of pleasure is much more
satisfying and permanent.
5 - What is the aim of our creation?
When one person does not understand the aim of his
or her creation he will not understand the rights
of women or men. When aim of our creation is
getting love and knowledge of Allah (God) by his
obedience and worship so when wife is obeying the
order of her husband because of her love of Allah,
she is reaching the aim of her creation.
6 - An example of Islams beauty is at the time of
feeding her baby. It is obligatory for men to pay
her is she demands so.
S. Kashif Haque
Hello, this is in response to the above stated question. Before you
attempt to answer this question first you should prove to yourself that:
1. There is a God, that he indeed exists, and that he has a role in our
lives.
2. That the Quran came from God
and 3. that Muhammed (PBUH) was a prophet.
I don't have time to go into it now, but if you need any info on any of
these important topics please email me at: Kha...@umd.umich.edu
Thank You,
Kashif Haque
Kitty
f...@nortel.ca (Farouq Taj) wrote:
>Hi Kitty,
>
>: in their hearts maybe, but when Muslims came to my country (Iran), they
>: things and then Iran became a country under islamic rules. It still is a
>: country under islamic rules. If I go to Iran and say that I think there
>: is no such thing as God, they will prison me or kill me. don't tell me
>: you see nothing wrong with that.
>
>or a general cricticism of Islam ? If the library's were burnt
>by an Invading Muslim army is Islam at fault or the army ?
If this isn't Islam then what is it? They use Quran. Heck they rule the
whole country by rules of Islam. It is an Islamic country. Therefore
it's Islam's fault. You see, I've always thought of religion as a
personal thing. I never thought I'd be argueing with anyone about
religion. But the way things are in my country makes me want to speak
out.
>
>: teach, yes but not FORCE! i know, that I was made to be a Musilm. well,
>: maybe I don't agree with your rules, do I have to be forced to believe
>: them?
>
>In a way we are all forced to follow a certain way of life in as much
>as our parents determine what core values we are going to adopt.
i didn't mean that. Christians in my counrey have to wear Hejab. Is that
fair? it has nothing to do with their parents.
>
>What's the alternative ? To stop teaching kids moral values ? You've
>got to determine whether it's your upbringing that is at fault or
>Islam, I think your shooting at the wrong target.
>
>: > Islam forbids forcing
>: >anyone to practice.
>
>: Then how come Muslims are doing it in my country? And in Saudia Arabia
>: and many other countries.
>
>Since when has Iran been a model Islamic country ?
not a -model- Islamic country. just an islamic country and I happen to
care for it.
> The political
>establishment in Iran is based on the Shia doctrine, as far as Saudi
>Arabia is concerned, Islamic movements are banned in Saudi Arabia, it is
>hardly an Islamic country.
then what country is cosidered an Islamic country to you?
>
>: What do you mean I'm mistaken? they -made- us pray in school.
>: Isn't that forcing?
>
>If they forced you to pray as an adult you would have a valid point.
In highschool people are adults.
Kitty
Kitty
I never said USA was a free country. It won't do you any good by
bringing up the problems in west. Just because women can't wear tops
in US, doesn't mean it's okay for Islamic countries to make women wear
hejAb. You didn't answer my question. Do you think what I said was
forcing or not? Please do not say that Islam has never been forced to
anyone because it has. And I have proof of it, I am my proof! To me, a
free country is where you are abselutely free to do anything as long as
you are not taking away other people's rights.
free bAshid,
Kitty
>
P.S. i hope you realize that I'm not trying to make you mad or insult
your religion. Just speaking my heart.
Joseph M. Emmanuel
Well said. Indeed the notion that man knows what is good and evil is the
very base of the fall of man (story of Adam and Eve).
History is a witness to the societies that tried to set their own standard
for good and evil and they failed (Grecians, Assyrians, Rome, etc.).
Indeed it seems whenever a society become prosperous they forget about God
and think they are god themselves. If you look in History (His Story) in
beginning nations who have become great nation said, "In God We Trust."
Later when they become powerful and prosperous they say In ourself We
Trust. That is when they fall.
-Joseph (mait...@worldnet.att.net)
Unity Of All Under
One God
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