ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!
NUR
is in fact controlled by the interests and agendas of the HAIFAN BAHAI
ORGANIZATION and its Bahai Internet Agency. Neutral non-Bahai
observers, beware:
http://www.allbeliefs.com/index.php
See also,
http://bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/
diamondsouled
misrepresentations? Referring to the Baha'is who have their world
centre in Haifa as Haifan Baha'is. For referring to the Baha'i World
Faith as Baha'ism. For putting up a link to Karen Bacquets web page
and then being accused of putting up an antibahai link, lol! Anyone
who knows Karen knows she is anything but antibahai, she is anti
fundamentalism as it concerns the Baha'i Faith but apparently liberal
Baha'i views are considered to be antibahai on All Beliefs. When I
pointed out that Baha'is refer to themselves as the people of Baha' as
well and that therefore Baha'ists and or Baha'ism are legitimate terms
for those that refer to themselves as: the people of Baha', it was
ignored.
It is quite apparent that the only Baha'i point of view which is
allowed to be expressed on All Beliefs is the Haifan Baha'i POV. Sad.
I communicated with the site owner and he seemed like a fair minded
person it is too bad though that he has allowed the Haifan Baha'i
clique to take control over the supposedly 'all beliefs' agenda of his
site and to force him into banning those who express views which are
not approved by Haifan Baha'ism or in any way critical of Haifan
Baha'ism. To be honest he needs to remove the all from all beliefs.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
Ray McIntyre
Larry,
When were you banned?
Kiwimac
Jeffrey
Larry,
This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary. Honestly, what
do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"? I understand why they are
against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over. Apparently
in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
it. This is really unhealthy!
Jeffrey
diamondsouled
I did tell them that I chose to use the term Haifan over heterodox to
be more sensitive, ;^). Somehow they see the term Haifan to be
insulting, not sure why. They asked to be called: Baha'i International
Community and I asked if was OK to use BIC Baha'is instead.
It is interesting how the same pattern has occurred on beliefnet, the
interfaith form, and now 'all' beliefs. Not sure what Haifan Baha'is
are doing to coerce the owners of these sites to cater only to their
version of the Baha'i religion.
One thing I've noticed that is consistent though is when I use actual
quotes from Baha'i writings and scholarly secondary sources to
illustrate my points Haifan Baha'is invariably answer with character
attacks and ad hominem, one Haifan Baha'i on 'all' beliefs even
referring to me as of: "the forces of darkness", and then it is me who
gets the boot, go figure, lol!
Cheers
Larry Rowe
diamondsouled
and setting up a genuinely open interfaith site with a debate forum
that is truly an open debate forum and one that is not being censored
against liberal Baha'i or nonHaifan Baha'i views. Would be
interesting. I would probably end up having to ban the Haifans for
flaming people lol. Seems they have a hard time dealing with the truth
about their personal Baha'i interpretations. They sure hate it when I
point out the fact that the Hands had no scriptural authority
whatsoever for taking control over the affairs of the Baha'i faith
when Shoghi died.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
Laura
You go for it, Larry. If you want only your opinion respected, that
is the best way to do it. I am a fomer owenr of Allbeliefs, and
happen to know you are only on a one week restriction rather than
banned. You have been coached by the other owner without success and
pointed to the forum rules, which are the same for everyone, multiple
times. the Baha'i members do not control AB, the mission statement
does.. Try again. I think your idea is a good one to start your own
forum. Just make sure everyone knows your intent before they join, so
that you will not have the hedaches that we have had.
diamondsouled
by not exposing them to unwanted truths about their religion? Lol!!!!!
I am always courteous and use actual quotes from Baha'i primary and
secondary sources, in answer the resident Haifan Baha'is respond by
questioning my motives and my character. Even in response to such
character assassination what do I do? I offer more quotes to better
make my point. For this I get the boot not them.
Actually I responded to the owners coaching but never heard back. Next
time I tried to log in I had been booted, call it what you want it is
Haifan Baha'i censorship plain and simple.
They call me: "the forces of darkness", and then I'm the one who gets
booted for using the term Haifan Baha'i and linking to a liberal
Baha'i site. Sad.
Seems clear that All Beliefs is only interested in allowing Baha'i
discussions that conform to a fundamentalist Haifan Baha'i POV, and
this even in the supposed 'Religious Debate' section lol!
I'm sure that if Baha'is of any of the other Baha'i sects attempted to
post in the Baha'i section they would soon be banned as well.
For God's sake the Haifan Baha'i administrative order even took
Orthodox Baha'is to court to attempt to prevent them from using the
name Baha'i as well as other Baha'i related names and symbols! That is
as crude and as silly as it would be for Catholics to attempt to copy-
write the name Christian and the cross.
Alerting people to such injustices as this ridiculous legal attempt to
copy-write the name Baha'i and Baha'i symbols should not be a reason
for a person's views to be censored or for them to be banned either
temporarily or permanently from a site that purports to be an
interfaith site.
Both the term Haifan Baha'i as well as Baha'ism are widely used terms.
Check out some scholarly sources if you like. Allowing Haifan Baha'is
to control the agenda and language used on All Beliefs through forcing
conformation to terminology which suits them is censorship no matter
which way you look at it.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
Laura
It was not censorship, but a fact that you had accrued so many
infraction points that a temp ban automatically kicked in through the
software. You were not always polite, and you came to the forum to
troll on the Baha'is. We have had others do the same on other faiths,
and their experiences were just as unsuccessful. Had you attacked
Muslims, Christians, or any denomination thereof, the result would
have been the same.
Sorry the rules did not support your agenda, and with all this slander
(we do have documentation), it is unlikely things will improve. Your
choice.
diamondsouled
Infraction points for what? For misrepresentation? All Beliefs by it's
very name is a misrepresentation. I simply expressed views and used
terms such as, Baha'ism, which were not allowed by the Haifan Baha'i
contingent on 'All' Beliefs.
Do a Google for Baha'ism Laura and see what comes up.
1. Wikipedia's Baha'i page
2. The offical site of the Haifan Baha'i Faith.
For using this term I was falsely accused of misrepresentation.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
Ray McIntyre
I have to say that as a student of World Religions it is normal to
refer to them as the UHJ Bahais or the Haifan Bahais in order to
differentiate them from the other Bahai groups. So I am a little
surprised to find it being considered a perjorative term.
Kiwimac
diamondsouled
refer to them as the UHJ Bahais or the Haifan Bahais in order to
differentiate them from the other Bahai groups. So I am a little
surprised to find it being considered a perjorative term."
I was a bit surprised myself at the resident Haifan Baha'i reaction as
well, I should say over reaction. When I started receiving warnings of
misrepresentation from the All Beliefs moderators I was even more
surprised. Surprised that they would allow Haifan Baha'is to have such
a degree of control, over the terminology used on their site, as well
as censorship of that terminology.
I mentioned before when a person Googles Baha'ism the second result
that comes up is the official Haifan Baha'i web page. They've
obviously used search engine optimization to set this up so Haifan
Baha'is should hardly complain when nonbaha'is use this term. Heck it
was good enough for historian Arnold Toynbee so it should be good
enough for other folks to use:
Historian Arnold Toynbee: Bahá'ísm is undoubtedly a religion. Bahá'ísm
is an independent religion, on a par with Islam, Christianity, and
other recognized world religions. Bahá'ísm is not a sect of some other
religion; 419 it is a separate religion, and it has the same status
as other recognized religions.
(Custodians, Ministry of the Custodians, p. 418)
Cheers
Larry Rowe
NUR
> By the way. I'm seriously considering picking up vbulletin soft ware
> and setting up a genuinely open interfaith site with a debate forum
> that is truly an open debate forum and one that is not being censored
> against liberal Baha'i or nonHaifan Baha'i views.
Do it, bro! I'll help you....
W
NUR
Coached? Larry?? Take a hike, Lady. It appears you were SERVED by
Larry and I.
W
NUR
Bullshit! It was straight up censorship, up and down.
W
diamondsouled
another 3 weeks to my 'temporary' ban, lol. Heck I didn't even get a
chance to post, lol!
Boy those Haifan Baha'is must really be upset that I clued people into
the fact that their Haifan Baha'i sect is only one out of several
other Baha'i sects. For this 'misrepresentation' and for linking to
pages which outline the differences between the beliefs of those
differing Baha'i sects the thought police at All Beliefs saw fit to
extend their 'temporary' ban.
The moderators/owners at All Beliefs have proved once again that
either they are in the pockets of Haifan Baha'is or perhaps even
Haifan Baha'is incognito. Which would make perfect sense after 'Laura'
posted here out of the blue having never posted to TRB before.
I won't be surprised if these Haifan Baha'i cronies find another
excuse to extend my ban three weeks from now, not at all.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
NUR
The Haifan Bahai organization has a lot of money at its disposal. In
these hard economic times they are using their financial muscle power
effectively because with most human beings money talks, and nothing
else does. Your point is well taken. It is good that other people see
such patterns of behavior by this cult because up until a little while
ago whenever I pointed these things out people were saying I was
delusional.
W
diamondsouled
showed up here not 24hrs after you started this thread. Same thing
over on the Chicago thread. Only people with a deep interest in
maintaining the Haifan Baha'i facade would be so intent about comments
on the All Beliefs site.
Cheers
Larry
NUR
Exactly! And note, this isn't the first time either...
W
Laura
I did not come back because there was really no point, you are only
going to believe your spin.
I am not on staff at AB any longer due to time contraints. Understand
that this libel can be
acted upon. Also understand that the coaching to help you follow the
rules was unsuccessful due to your
decision to not follow them. It is unfortunate, as your views would
have been welcome had you presented them
with any amount of respect or deference to the rules. I have not
posted before here, as was so brilliantly pointed
out, because I am NOT Baha'i, contrary to your statements. I am
intent on the information I have brought here, as also pointed out,
because I am the former owner, and know what went on behind the scenes
and the abuse handed out
to the staff by people posting here. Every forum has rules, some
people choose not to follow them due to a variety of
reasons, I have no idea what yours were. I do hope you find a place
more comfortable for you, not every forum fits every person.
Peace,
Laura
Laura
The issues were much more that presented....the term Baha'iism was NOT
a major issue. Nice try
to deflect the communications given you. If that is all you got from
those trying to help and point out
things that needed changing, then I now understand why the coaching
did not work.
diamondsouled
NOT
a major issue."
The fact is Laura that the majority of warnings of 'misrepresentation'
I received were for the 'misrepresentation' of using the terms
Baha'ism as well as Haifan Baha'i. Also the 'misrepresentation' of
putting up links to liberal Baha'i sites or alternate Baha'i sites
which are not Haifan. If a person puts up such links Haifan Baha'is on
'all' beliefs will make sure that person's views are censored through
the skewed 'misrepresentation' system at 'all' beliefs which is
clearly being misused by Haifan Baha'is, both moderators as well as
members, to ensure that only a Haifan Baha'i POV is allowed to be
expressed. This ensures as well that the Religious Debate area is only
used as an area to proselytize Haifan Baha'ism.
I also received warnings of 'misrepresentation' even when using actual
quotes from Haifan Baha'i primary and secondary sources when those
quotes encouraged Haifan Baha'is to debate the issue of the many
actual obvious contradictions which exist within their own teachings.
Of course this is not allowed in the Religious Debate area of 'all'
beliefs because only one side of Baha'i issues is allowed to be voiced
there, the Haifan Baha'i side. Some area for 'lively' discussion or
debate lol!!!!! What a joke!
Cheers
Larry Rowe
abrahamreyes9
there already is one you muppet its called www.religiousforums.com
NUR
Muppet, you say? You must have me confused with yourself and 100% of
your fellow co-cultists. Muppetry is your way of life, not mine.